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Comments On Tamino’s AMO Post

by Bob Tisdale

Tamino’s AMO post is a response to my post Removing The Effects of Natural Variables – Multiple Linear Regression-Based or “Eyeballed” Scaling Factors (hereinafter referred to as the “Removing” post). Tamino took exception to my inclusion of the AMO as one of the datasets used to explain the rise in GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index (60S-60N) during the satellite era. Please read Tamino’s AMO post before continuing.

My “Removing” post, as discussed in its opening paragraph, was the second in a series follow-ups to the earlier post Can Most Of The Rise In The Satellite-Era Surface Temperatures Be Explained Without Anthropogenic Greenhouse Gases? (hereinafter referred to as the “Can Most” post). The first follow-up was Notes On Polar Amplification.

And for those new to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) please refer to the post An Introduction To ENSO, AMO, and PDO — Part 2.

THE REAL CLIMATE DESCRIPTION OF THE AMO

Tamino wrote in his post,

“Bob Tisdale (and others) simply can’t wrap their brains around the fact that global warming is the cause, not the effect, of much of the changes in N.Atl SST anomaly. Therefore global warming is the cause, not the effect, of much of the variation in the AMO.”

My AMO posts typically include the RealClimate description of the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (“AMO”), but I failed to include it in “Removing” post. RealClimate states, “A multidecadal (50-80 year timescale) pattern of North Atlantic ocean-atmosphere variability whose existence has been argued for based on statistical analyses of observational and proxy climate data, and coupled Atmosphere-Ocean General Circulation Model (“AOGCM”) simulations. This pattern is believed to describe some of the observed early 20th century (1920s-1930s) high-latitude Northern Hemisphere warming and some, but not all, of the high-latitude warming observed in the late 20th century. The term was introduced in a summary by Kerr (2000) of a study by Delworth and Mann (2000).”

Tamino’s opinion contradicts the opinions of his associates at RealClimate, or at least the opinion of the author of the RealClimate AMO webpage. RealClimate describes the AMO as being responsible for some, but not all, of the warming, but Tamino states it’s the other way around, that the global warming signal is the cause of the AMO variability.

Tamino’s RealClimate associates must be among “the others” who “simply can’t wrap their brains around the fact that global warming is the cause, not the effect, of much of the changes in N.Atl SST anomaly.”

A NOTE ABOUT THE SST DATASET USED IN THIS POST

GISS uses two SST anomaly datasets in its Land-Ocean Temperature (LOTI) product: HADISST from January 1880 to November 1981 and Reynolds OI.v2 from December 1981 to present. There is little difference between the HADISST and Reynolds OI.v2 data for the North Atlantic during the satellite era, as shown in Figure 1. So my use of HADISST data in the short-term will not influence the results of this post.

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Figure 1

However, there is a significant difference between the long-term Kaplan North Atlantic SST data used by the ESRL (and Tamino) and the HADISST data used by GISS. Refer to Figure 2. Keep in mind my use of the ESRL data was only for the AMO index in the short term, not the long-term SST data used by Tamino. (Note: I confirmed via email that the ESRL uses the coordinates of 0-70N and 80W-0 for its AMO data.)

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Figure 2

And the difference does impact Tamino’s post. He uses the wrong North Atlantic SST anomaly dataset when he subtracts global temperatures from it. That is, assuming Tamino did not switch to the HADISST version of the North Atlantic, he biased the results in his last graph by the difference in the trends of the HADISST data (used by GISS) and the Kaplan data (used by ESRL) shown in Figure 2.

ON THE NONLINEARITY OF THE WARMING SIGNAL

The natural multidecadal variability of the North Atlantic SST anomalies is significantly greater than that of the Global (90S-90N) SST anomalies. This is very apparent if we compare detrended North Atlantic SST anomalies (AMO) to detrended Global SST data, Figure 3. The data have been smoothed with a 121-month running-average filter.

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Figure 3

Tamino opens his post with a discussion of the how the AMO is calculated by detrending North Atlantic SST anomalies, and he notes that the Wikipedia definition warns about the nonlinearity of the actual warming signal. The nonlinearity of the detrended global SST signal is shown clearly in my Figure 5 above. Based on his presentation, Tamino concludes, “Variations in the forced signal do leak into the AMO definition.”

Let’s compare the short-term linear trends of the North Atlantic SST anomalies to the trends of the other ocean basins. This is a general discussion of the AMO, so I’ve left in the Arctic and Southern Ocean data. Keep in mind that my “Removing” and “Can Most” posts only dealt with the period starting in 1982, which is the satellite era for SST data. As shown in the spaghetti graph, Figure 4, the SST anomaly linear trend of the North Atlantic is significantly higher than all other SST basins. The linear trend of the Arctic Ocean SST anomalies comes in second, in part because those two datasets overlap and due to the influence of the North Atlantic on the Arctic Ocean. Regardless, the North Atlantic linear trend is almost twice that of the Arctic Ocean. The North Atlantic trend is more than 3 times higher than the trends of the North Pacific and Indian Oceans and more than 5 times higher than the trends of the South Atlantic and South Pacific. And of course, the Southern Ocean linear trend is negative. (Note: The impact of the Southern Ocean cooling is so substantial that the trend is basically flat for all HADISST anomaly data south of 40S, or about 35% of the global oceans, since 1982.)

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Figure 4

This difference in linear trends can also be seen in the comparison of North Atlantic SST anomalies and the SST anomalies for the rest of the world. To determine the rest-of-the-world data (identified as “Global Without No Atlantic” in Figure 5), I approximated the North Atlantic surface area as a percentage of the global oceans. The Atlantic represents approximately 30% of the surface area of the global oceans. I assumed the North Atlantic made up half of that, or 15%, before scaling the North Atlantic data and subtracting it from the global data for Figure 5. The linear trend of the North Atlantic SST anomalies is more than 5 times greater than the average of the other ocean basins.

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Figure 5

In fact, the contribution of the North Atlantic is so great, without it, the global trend drops by 45%, Figure 6.

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Figure 6

Tamino did not suggest how to account for the global warming signal in his AMO post, unless the last graph in which he subtracts global GISS LAND-Ocean Temperature Index data from North Atlantic SEA Surface Temperature data is his recommendation. But he did make a suggestion on his earlier How Fast is Earth Warming? thread. He wrote in response to a January 23, 2011 at 4:42 pm comment, “It might be interesting to correlate AMO to short-term global temperature fluctuations, if AMO is detrended nonlinearly, or if only the modern era (1975 to present) is detrended separately. But then: the denialists’ claim disappears.”

To account for the nonlinear signal, Trenberth and Shea (2006) proposed subtracting the global (60S-60N) SST data from the North Atlantic in “Atlantic hurricanes and natural variability in 2005”. But the North Atlantic represents a major portion (almost 50%) of the recent rise in global SST anomalies (90S-90N) since 1982, Figure 6. Therefore, Trenberth and Shea are suggesting the subtraction of a dataset with a strong North Atlantic signal from the North Atlantic SST data itself. Why not subtract the SST anomalies of the rest of the world from the North Atlantic? It’s the additional variability of the North Atlantic, above and beyond the rest of the world, that’s of interest, not a signal that’s been suppressed by itself.

The reason that method hasn’t been suggested becomes obvious when one compares that dataset to the AMO data based on detrended North Atlantic SST anomalies. Refer to Figure 7. (The “Rest of the World” data is calculated the same as the “Global Without North Atlantic” from Figures 5 & 6.) Note how the curves mimic one another from 1905 to the early 1980s. They diverge from time to time, but the curves are similar. But note how VERY similar the two curves are after 1982. That’s the period of the AMO data used in my “Removing” post.

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Figure 7

Let’s look at the satellite-era portion (1982 to present) of those two datasets, Figure 8. The trends are basically the same, and the year-to-year variability of the two signals mimic one another with small divergences and lags. Based on Figure 10, the “Variations in the forced signal do leak into the AMO definition,” as Tamino notes, but they have had little impact on the results of my “Removing” post.

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Figure 8

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE KAPLAN AND HADISST NORTH ATLANTIC SST ANOMALIES

The Kaplan and HADISST versions of the North Atlantic SST anomalies were illustrated together in Figure 2. There was a significant difference in their linear trends. For Figure 9, I subtracted the HADISST version of the North Atlantic SST anomalies from the Kaplan SST anomalies used by ESRL (and Tamino for his last graph). Note the similarities between Figure 9 and Tamino’s final graph in his AMO post.

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Figure 9

TAMINO’S FINAL COMPARISONS

Tamino’s post included a comparison graph of Global (90S-90N) GISS LOTI and the North Atlantic SST anomalies he created from the data on the ESRL AMO webpage. The last illustration was a graph of the difference. While I can’t find fault in his not knowing there was a shift in the Kaplan North Atlantic SST data, I can find fault in his using the wrong SST dataset. GISS does not use Kaplan SST.

There is little difference between the HADISST and Reynolds OI.v2 versions of the North Atlantic SST data, as shown in Figure 1. To assure the following comparisons were correct, for the following graphs I spliced those two North Atlantic SST anomaly datasets using the method described by GISS in Step 4 on their current analysis webpage. Had Tamino used the HADISST/Reynolds OI.v2-based GISS SST anomalies for the North Atlantic in his comparison, Figure 10, the difference between it and the Global GISS LOTI data would have maintained the appearance of the AMO.

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Figure 10

And had Tamino detrended both datasets and smoothed them with 121-month filters, Figure 11, he would have noted that the multidecadal variability of the North Atlantic far exceeds that of the Global GISS LOFTI data—even with the additional land surface temperature variability in the LOTI data—even with the exaggeration of polar amplification in the LOTI data—even with the bias caused by GISS’s deletion of polar sea surface temperature data in the LOTI data.

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Figure 11

I’ll respond to his comments about “eyeballing” in another post.

SOURCES

With the exception of the ESRL North Atlantic SST data (linked numerous times in the post), all data are available through the KNMI Climate Explorer:

http://climexp.knmi.nl/selectfield_obs.cgi?someone@somewhere

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DR
February 3, 2011 9:15 am

Steve McIntyre had a lot of fun with Tamino’s “bilge” over at CA over the years.
Tamino has deleted several threads putting him a bad light. Let’s see how long this one lasts before it comes up missing.

Richard S Courtney
February 3, 2011 9:25 am

Bob Tisdale:
Thankyou for your clear explanation. However, I fail to understand why anybody responds to ‘Tamino’, ‘Eli Rabbett’ and similar minor academics who blog under false names.
Some academics (e.g. Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke, snr., etc.) use a blog as a method to debate ideas with a wide audience prior to deciding whether or not to publish those ideas. Of course, they do that using their own names because otherwise they could not claim originality if they later choose to publish in formal literature.
Tamino, Rabbett, etc. are academics so they benefit from each and every publication they make in the formal literature: each publication increases their publication index. And they must recognise that what they write cannot obtain such publication when they choose to post it on a blog under a false name.
In other words, when the likes of ‘Tamino’ post something on their blogs they demonstrate that they consider what they post to be unworthy of publication and is such rubbish that they are not willing to put their own names to it.
I and many others consider we have much better things to do than to plough through rubbish whose owners throw out.
I respectfully suggest that you, too, have much better things to do than to deal with such rubbish.
Richard

richardM
February 3, 2011 9:30 am

I’m not sure you’ll see him convinced that he is in error Bob, although I applaud your valiant effort.
Not to get snarky, but his website is OpenMind, in utter contrast to the arrogant manner in which he addresses those who don’t agree with his point of view.

andy
February 3, 2011 9:31 am

You mean Tamino managed to find a web page all by himself?
Oh well done Tamino, well done!

David S
February 3, 2011 9:45 am

Why is he so very rude? It was hard to follow his argument through all the abuse directed at you, WUWT, innocent bystanders who happened to question anything he said, etc.

William Rice
February 3, 2011 9:47 am

“The college idealists who fill the ranks of the environmental movement seem willing to do absolutely anything to save the biosphere, except take science courses and learn something about it.”
— P.J. O’Rourke
In Tamino’s case, I would suggest a class in Heat Transfer, as well as a prerequisitie class or two in Thermodynamics. Maybe then he might realize the absurdity of his cause/effect assertion.

Wondering Aloud
February 3, 2011 10:07 am

Tamino just wants us to “wrap their brains around the fact that global warming is the cause, not the effect, of much of the changes in N.Atl SST anomaly.”
In other words we should presuppose without evidence that his hypothesis is true. And we should ignore paleo and other evidence to the contrary because this time is different, for some unexplained reason, from all past time.
Am I the only one who reads his statement that way?

Robinson
February 3, 2011 10:15 am

A minor grammar error (hate to be pedantic):

While I can’t find fault is his not knowing there was a shift in the Kaplan North Atlantic SST data, I can find fault in his using the wrong SST dataset. GISS does not use Kaplan SST

, makes the sentence harder to read than would otherwise be the case :p.

REPLY:
Fixed, thanks -A

sharper00
February 3, 2011 10:26 am

“RealClimate describes the AMO as being responsible for some, but not all, of the warming, but Tamino states it’s the other way around, that the global warming signal is the cause of the AMO variability.”
Your quote from Tamino says this
“Therefore global warming is the cause, not the effect, of much of the variation in the AMO.””
How is this a contradiction?

Bob Moss
February 3, 2011 10:28 am

I propose that Tamino, the little rabbit, and others of their ilk should from here forward be referred to as “hotheads”.

Scott Covert
February 3, 2011 10:28 am

That’s amazing Tamino! The Global warming monster can change the AMO without raising the heat content of the oceans.
That’s brilliant! /sarc

ari
February 3, 2011 10:41 am

sharper00 says:
February 3, 2011 at 10:26 am
Do not understand? Want to draw?

michel
February 3, 2011 10:47 am

tamino isn’t, AFAIK, an academic. Is he? Rabbett is, he’s a physicist, Halpern or something. tamino is well known to be Grant Foster and seems to do time series analysis in industry for a living. There is no real secret about who any of these people are, any more than there is about who Bishop Hill is. One can understand that they might want to keep using nicknames, if climate is not their day job and is as controversial as it is. Foster made no great efforts to preserve anonymity. Its more like a distancing of oneself from the persona which one uses for blogging. There can be no accusation of mixing business and hobby.
Now, the rudeness and self righteousness of the tamino alter ego, that is a different matter. That is really not nice, and is in fact self defeating.
[Correction: the bunny is a chemist. And Cook of Skeptical Science is a cartoonist.]

Brian H
February 3, 2011 10:47 am

Edit note:
“Without No Atlantic” don’t make no sense nohow. But if you say “Without No. Atlantic”, it does.
Punctuation is not pointless. Or period-less. Or SLT.
😉

hunter
February 3, 2011 10:57 am

Sorry, but 0.X, and o.ox degrees of averaged out temp changes over a year ain’t changing much of anything.

February 3, 2011 10:59 am

Therefore global warming is the cause, not the effect, of much of the variation in the AMO.
If that’s the case, we owe Tamino a great debt of gratitude for pointing that out. It means:
1) There is no trend signal in global warming
2) Global warming is strictly a cyclical phenomenon, it will reverse whatever direction it’s currently on.
3) No need for adaptation, mitigation or anything else for the cyclical nature of AGW.
4) Climate Sensitivity to CO2 is negative AND positive, and quite variable, depending on where in the cycle we happen to be…
5) WarmBlizzard and DroughtFlood really COULD be true!!!

Robuk
February 3, 2011 11:03 am

Tamio,
Could it be that the global warming signal is significantly nonlinear? Here’s global temperature from GISS:
How the hell can you compare anything with GISS?

sharper00
February 3, 2011 11:05 am

@Scott Cover
“That’s amazing Tamino! The Global warming monster can change the AMO without raising the heat content of the oceans.
That’s brilliant! /sarc”

Taking your point as a given, can the AMO raise global temperatures without raising the heat content of the oceans?

February 3, 2011 11:17 am

Wondering Aloud says:
February 3, 2011 at 10:07 am
“Tamino just wants us to “wrap their brains around the fact that global warming is the cause, not the effect, of much of the changes in N.Atl SST anomaly.”
In other words we should presuppose without evidence that his hypothesis is true. And we should ignore paleo and other evidence to the contrary because this time is different, for some unexplained reason, from all past time.
Am I the only one who reads his statement that way?”
No you’re not alone, it reads that way to me also.

Honest ABE
February 3, 2011 11:20 am

I’ve gotten the feeling for a long time that the guys at Real Climate privately talk to various bloggers and journalists and give them mistaken impressions of various climate-related things.
Perhaps it is the “telephone” effect to some extent, but I also think guys like Gavin have no motivation to make them understand – they need their faith not their understanding.

Jit
February 3, 2011 11:22 am

This exchange on the recent thread about the Lord Monckton documentary on Tamino (thread titled “Peer Pressure” Feb.1) made me smile…
Contributor A: Did this show make any mention of that fact that he’s being investigated for involvement in human trafficking? I’m not making this up.
Contributor B: I think I’d retract that.
Contributor A: I was sure of myself, and now I can’t find my sources. Ouch. I ask tamino to pull all related posts on the subject, if that wouldn’t be dishonest.
Contributor B: See, that’s what I love about real, proper, actual sceptics – a willingness to admit to a mistake.

DD More
February 3, 2011 11:27 am

From the comments posted.
Tom Curtis | January 30, 2011 at 3:57 am | Reply
I notice your final graph has a significant negative trend. I suspect that is because land temperatures are rising faster than sea surface temperatures, so that GISS global temperature anomaly rises faster than sea surface temperatures in general, and those of the North Atlantic in particular. Can you show us a graph of the NA SST anomaly minus the global SST anomaly for comparison?

Might this also indicate how GISS has been fudging the temperature data?

P. Solar
February 3, 2011 11:33 am

I agree with most others here. Tamino is basically some anonymous blogger with no credentials. It don’t think it merits a whole article here dealing with any such noise on the net.
One point:
>>
The Atlantic represents approximately 30% of the surface area of the global oceans. I assumed the North Atlantic made up half of that, or 15%, before scaling the North Atlantic data and subtracting it from the global data for Figure 5.
>>
I get a bit twitchy when I read things like this, “about” this , “I assume that”.. . Since you have detailed plots of the other ocean areas , why not plot their sum against N Atl. ? Then you would be based on data not guesstimates. It would eliminate that possibility that you over or under-weight the N.A. component when you subtract.
What seems odd is that N.A. should be so much more sensitive

David S
February 3, 2011 11:38 am

DDM: over a long enough period, GISS trend – SST trend = UHI +/- manual adjustments and compilation errors. Interestingly Satellite trend is closer to SST.

P. Solar
February 3, 2011 11:52 am

Tamino’s ill-thought out post is barely worth a blog comment, I agree with others that you are wasting WUWT space by dedicating a post his silliness.
What is more interesting from your graphs is why N. Atl. is so much more sensitive to GW trend and oscillations than the rest of the oceans. This seems paradoxical.
Since you have detailed data to plot for the other oceans why don’t you plot thier sum rather than a crude estimate of how big the Atlantic is and a guess that N.A. is 50%.
That way you’d be based on data not guesstimates and you’d be on firmer ground.

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