From Reuters AlertNet, the International Energy Agency gets it:
Fatih Birol, of the IEA, said the gains from the tougher EU reduction target would roughly equal only two weeks of China’s emissions.
“The United States and China are essential for combating climate change globally. We estimate extending Europe’s plan to cut emissions from 20 to 30 percent would roughly equal China’s two-week gas output,” Birol said in an interview.
But wait there’s more…
“The wind is not blowing in the right direction for fighting global warming. Frankly, there are virtually no chances for the Cancun summit to end in legally binding agreement,” Birol said, adding, “I would be very happy to be proven wrong on this.”
And of course, China has already given these people “the finger”, and is building coal-fired power plants at an amazing rate, so what’s the point of COP16 again?
h/t to WUWT reader “nolene”
When is this jolly happening?
Hope it’s this week – then you can blitz them with the temperatures in the US and in Europe, which are set to plummet this week.
There’s going to be odd conditions: little arctic ice and quite a bit of snow on land…..
Both sides can claim disaster scenarios………
Closely checking the image of the “Reality Check Ahead” sign reveals that the bullet holes are merely dents, not holes. That is either one heck of a sign, or you California wusses only use environmentally safe rubber bullets.
All the road signs in Texas have real bullet holes in ’em.
Mike in Houston
peterhodges says: November 22, 2010 at 10:54 am
“i forgot they all don’t have a few 30 caliber holes around the middle and a little double ought off one side”
They are not all like that. Where you have more competent redecorators the post just below the sign is remotely notched so that the top of the sign leans forward, keeps the snow off the front.
Enneagram says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:16 am
‘Europe’s EURO will be so GREEN that it will become DOLLAR’
I would give you odds that it’s just as likely to become the deutschmark resurrected, with Germany in full financial and political control of the entire ex-euro zone and its client states. The old Western Roman Empire redivivus perhaps? That was always part of the plan after all.
Pray for snow in Cancun.
Ralph @ur momisugly November 22, 2010 at 12:45 pm
While I believe God has a sense of humor, there are probably limits and that probably exceeds the limits. 😉
I doubt that COP16 is anyting but a junket and a holiday for attendees. Anyway, I ‘Cantcum’.
RichieP says:
November 22, 2010 at 12:10 pm
“I would give you odds that it’s just as likely to become the deutschmark resurrected, with Germany in full financial and political control of the entire ex-euro zone and its client states. The old Western Roman Empire redivivus perhaps? That was always part of the plan after all.”
More precisely, Das Heilige Römische Reich Deutscher Nation, a pre-EU in medieval times. The emperor was not necessarily a German; candidates had to buy the voices of the European kings to get elected.
pablo an ex pat says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:04 am (Edit)
What’s the point ?
It’s nice in Cancun at this time of year and the trip is fully expensed. Duh !
Hope the Gore Effect kicks in : )
Not a chance. I think after Copenhagen they carefully picked a venue where it has NEVER snowed.
Or maybe it’s the prospect of bikini clad senoritas and daquiris in the beach bars.
I vaguely recall that China is building one coal fired power station every 10 days or so. Am I correct here??? If only half true then Cancun is an utter waste of energy. Pun intended.
Our (Australia’s) reduction targets are then probably even less than Europe’s. At least while we will supposedly die a slow, painful death, we can feel good that we’ve “done the right thing” by screwing up our lifestyles in the meantime.
…once again, I am very pleased to present you with the official, keepsake-version of the
(drum roll) OVERVIEW SCHEDULE OF THE 16th SESSION OF THE CONFERENCE OF THE PARTIES (COP 16)
http://unfccc.int/files/meetings/cop_16/application/pdf/overview_sched_cop16_cmp6.pdf
Heh! I just realized why they call it the Conference of the Parties!! Pass the tequila!!
DirkH says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:21 pm
‘More precisely, Das Heilige Römische Reich Deutscher Nation, a pre-EU in medieval times. The emperor was not necessarily a German; candidates had to buy the voices of the European kings to get elected.’
Oh, I’m not sure there’ll be any elections, which is why I went for the Old Roman Empire as analogy. But I agree the Holy R.E. is an excellent and more appropriate parallel.
There won’t be any donkeys in Cancun, only asses.
Mike McMillan says:
November 22, 2010 at 11:50 am
Closely checking the image of the “Reality Check Ahead” sign reveals that the bullet holes are merely dents, not holes. That is either one heck of a sign, or you California wusses only use environmentally safe rubber bullets.
“Denting” is apparently still legal in California, but not so tomorrow!
The apparent symbol of the Cancun COP16 is the Monarch Butterfly, because it forms the header on their introductory webpage. Perhaps Mexican climate alarmists adopted the Monarch as it’s official AGW icon due to the lack of polar bears in the Baja?
Of course, the presence of the Monarch as the COP16 poster species clearly indicates that it might just be endangered due to global warming so I googled “monarch butterfly global warming endangered” and got a lengthy list of references to how this insect is endangered by global warming. Predictably, it was the “cooler and wetter Mexican mountain winters” and “hotter drier Canadian/northern US summers” – caused by global warming – that were doing in the Monarch. It is interesting though how the WWF and Environmental Defense Fund have to admit the Monarch is not endangered but then go on to suggest its migration phenomenon is and global warming is what is endangered.
It is revealing however, if one googles “monarch butterfly cold weather” that a similarly impressive number of hits results – but not from WWF and similar websites. No, such stories about the impacts of cold weather on the Monarchs come from such non leading edge sites such as “Parks Canada.” As I remembered from my science texts of my youth, it was that dastardly cold fall weather that was really the hardest on the monarchs. It caused die-offs on a grand scale if the butterflies got caught in an early freeze.
One also learns on the Parks Canada website that the survival of the Monarch is related to the prevalence of milkweed – something I also recalled from my youth. What I did not know, however, was that milkweed apparently expanded its (and the Monarch’s) range from its original pre 19th century location in Mexico. In fact, the “Columbus hypothesis” re the Monarch migration suggests that the migration of the Monarch started in the mid 1800’s and is indeed a RESULT of the colonization of North America due to deforestation and settlement creating a habitat for milkweed. Oh the irony of trying to protect a natural phenomenon “created” by development!
It seems to me that the Monarch butterfly, a species that is NOT endangered, even by the admission of those seeking its protection, is a quite adaptable little insect. It makes use of the Mexican forests as a refuge from the Canadian winters, but quite happily adjusts to whatever comes its way through its evolutionary strategy of making use of a habitat range that spans many degrees of latitude. Perhaps the more adaptable types will just travel a little further down-slope or to latitudes further south to survive the winter if the Mexican mountains get “too cold” from “global warming.”
My suggestion is that the Mexican organizers pick another species to represent COP16. The Monarch is Canada’s official insect anyway.
Its all here
http://www.nctimes.com/app/blogs/wp/?p=5813
these people should be given absolutely no further attention and be prosecuted for fraud. They should not be let close to any tertiary institution anywhere.
There is a significance of the Cancun region to climate change that the attendees may have missed. It is at the northeast corner of the ancient Mayan civilization. An under two hour drive south takes you to Tulum on the coast, and a three hour drive gets you to the restored ruins of Chichen Itza.
The Yucatan today has very poor soil, thin atop a limestone base. It has no rivers, and farming there depends and has depended solely on rainfall, yet the ancient Mayans built great cities, evidence of plentiful rainfall. In the ninth century that civilization ended when the climate changed abruptly to a dry one, and the Mayans were unable to adapt.
No change in CO2, no SUV’s, just nature doing its thing.
“Gail Combs says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:09 am
Yup
It is about fleecing the poor and middle class so the elite have more money and power. Remember the wealth distribution is FROM the poor TO the wealthy, that is why the bankers and corporate CEO and politicians all love socialism.”
We are doomed to never learn from history. The French Revolution was a war over the execces of the ruling elite. The American War of Independence, was a war, largely, about taxes.
They may succeed in controlling energy, have control of the forces, but they can’t kill us all quickly enough before they are overrulled.
By day three they will at least be discussing methane as well as OA, (sea salt on the margaritas, and curbing Mexican food flatulence) the experiment of the day.
Once every one saw the Emperor had no clothes on they decided that he must be just an egomaniac nudest banker? Now that the cat (NWO global government concept) is out of the bag, just drop the cover up crap, and begin the open negotiations between the playing members. Cheaper that way, just do it! Everybody KNOWS what they are up to anyway, why waste the extra cost of pussy footing around?
I think nuclear is the answer, opening fireworks display delivered by Cruise Missiles. All the bad eggs in one basket sort of idea. [I know off topic, and over the top, and not my usual comment, just saying…….]
Cancun’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Sorry William
Cancun is now just days away and yet we see nothing in the Australian MSM about it. Last year, before Copenhagen, the MSM smothered us with stories about COP15. Then came Climategate and the recent announcement from the IPCC that climate policy is all about wealth/resource redistribution.
Hummmm…..
As they say…..a picture says a thousand words.
Check out those MONARCH butterflies, guys.
Think that was by mistake? Wanna bet???
C. L. Thorpe
Will more emails from climategate (the ones that have not been published) will appear. that would be really interesting. I certainly hope so
With all these seemingly endless series of Climate Change conferences taking place in so many interesting and exotic locales, I’m sensing an opportunity. I think I’ll change my position on Global Warming and join the IPCC in their cause. The pay is better and I’ll get to brush elbows with the rich, famous and influential.
Just joking… I think. 🙂
All joking aside, the reason that the warming alarmists keep trying is the same reason that the house always wins in Vegas. We only have to lose once for them to win it all. The non-alarmists must win every battle every time in order to “win” the climate change war. If we lose just once, then it will be nearly impossible for us to prevent our national economies from being ruined and sovereignties eroded.