From Reuters AlertNet, the International Energy Agency gets it:
Fatih Birol, of the IEA, said the gains from the tougher EU reduction target would roughly equal only two weeks of China’s emissions.
“The United States and China are essential for combating climate change globally. We estimate extending Europe’s plan to cut emissions from 20 to 30 percent would roughly equal China’s two-week gas output,” Birol said in an interview.
But wait there’s more…
“The wind is not blowing in the right direction for fighting global warming. Frankly, there are virtually no chances for the Cancun summit to end in legally binding agreement,” Birol said, adding, “I would be very happy to be proven wrong on this.”
And of course, China has already given these people “the finger”, and is building coal-fired power plants at an amazing rate, so what’s the point of COP16 again?
h/t to WUWT reader “nolene”
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What’s the point ?
It’s nice in Cancun at this time of year and the trip is fully expensed. Duh !
Hope the Gore Effect kicks in : )
“And of course, China has already given these people “the finger”, and is building coal-fired power plants at an amazing rate, so what’s the point of COP16 again?”
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An all expense paid vacation on our dime, with feel good group therapy sessions. And an opportunity to compare notes for the talking points campaign.
The point is to get Cancun and enjoy the warm sunny weather there. Looking at the forecasts for Europe and USA for the next two weeks, people will be freezing to death while bureacrats talk about preventing warming.
“so what’s the point of COP16 again?”
It is not about CO2 or climate disruption….. it is about wealth redistribution.
-Jay
Does Cancun really have 1400 limousines? In Copenhagen there was only 70 in all of Denmark, the rest had to be driven from Germany and the Netherlands.
Confucius says;
“Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with true virtue.”
Europe’s EURO will be so GREEN that it will become DOLLAR 🙂
I stopped by a ranch while riding my bike and I lectured those cows for an hour about what they were doing to the environment.
The Bull came over and asked me how many TVs I had; how many cars did I have; how many lights did I have and how many washers and dryers I had? He then asked if I took vacations and ocean cruises.
The gull of him!
I called him a denier and a skeptic and gave him a piece of my mind. Then I rode off.
After the usual consternation in the mainstream media following the Cancun failure, attention will turn to the next meeting where there will be another “last chance” to save the world.
It seems most politicians know the jig is up and are only trying to wriggle themselves out of the whole Global Warming mess without having to come out and admit they have been fooled.
Didn’t the new co-chair (Edenhofer) say it’s no longer about “environmental protection,” but negotiating the distribution of the world’s resources? I noticed that the other co-chair was from that bastion of free thought and equality known as CUBA.
If one reads the early work of Maurice Strong (or Holdren, for that matter) it becomes obvious: it never was about protecting the environment or stopping climate change. The science is only a tool to forward the agenda and used only when it served the purpose. It has always been about social justice and “environmental justice” (Strong’s favorite variation of the notion).
Speaking of the the Gore Effect, wouldn’t it be nice if we got some very nasty blizzards that ground air traffic in several countries so they can not fly?
Mother Nature has already shown she has a bit of a sense of humor.
pablo an ex pat says: November 22, 2010 at 8:04 am
“It’s nice in Cancun at this time of year and the trip is fully expensed”
Actually, it is cooler than normal, cloudy, windy and forecasting rain for at least the next seven days. It also looks like there is a storm comming from the south south east that will add to the cool, dark, wet, global warming.
And then there is Al Gore throwing ethanol under the bus, burning food is killing people … http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE6AL0YT20101122?sp=true
Weird how these folks deny science and engineering when it comes to their religion.
When will the freeloading finally end?
Good news! I hope it’s right. But there’s also minor agreements, as the REDD (which may harm forests?), and the biodiversity agreement. Some think that these are small steps toward something bigger. A liberal think tank in Sweden on cancun (google-translated) :
“Issues such as REDD, funding models and the future of the CDM may in itself
help to reduce emissions even without a big contract.
A further reason for optimism is that the negotiations on Biological Diversity in Nagoya, Japan in late October showed a greater reliance among developing countries and industrialized countries.
As mentioned earlier, it is mainly the issue of REDD and funding mechanisms, and possibly technology transfer, as the great chances to break through there. There is also a chance to set a framework for reducing emissions from international aviation. However, it is unlikely that countries are converging in terms of emission reductions.
BASIC States remains opposed to binding commitments. U.S. still has no climate change legislation and with the Republicans’ success in the recent congressional and Senate elections are opportunities for the U.S. to move on the issue of cuts probably less than in Copenhagen”.
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What’s the point with this/Cancun? To weaken the West due to progressives’ wishes? This do belong to political science, and the risk is that any “success” contributes to crash our economies which will destabilize the world. I guess the radical left wants a crash.
Chinese selfishness like saves us…? Pew.
I wish all the children nice bedtime stories from the Cancun United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
Thankyou.
On behalf of humanity.
As Glenn Reynold always says, “I’ll believe there’s a crisis when they began to act like there’s one”. Why are they doing this in a resort far away from everyone’s home country? Haven’t they heard the wonderful invention call teleconference? Do they pick that place for somewhere warm where local hookers are plentiful?
[appears to be a correlation]
Everyone knowing that we only contribute 3%…
….it’s obviously now about global warming or CO2
They should send a bunch of shrinks to deprogram those people.
I wonder why they didn’t choose Calgary for their global warming summit.
It’s -27 C here today.
What a cynical bunch you lot are! One might even say “skeptical” about the high motives and fine ideals of the Cancun attendees. Off on a jolly, indeed!
They have your best interests at heart, you need to be saved from your own folly. It is entirely for your own good. It is not as though they are in it for their own self-interests, goodness me, no.
Stop all this naughty carbon emitting immediately and get with the progam, or is that progrom, I forget the subtle difference.
tarpon says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:33 am
What I found interesting in your link was his admission how fond of farmers he was when he decided to run for president. Says a lot about the focus on his self interest.
Well maybe we will get lucky and one of the crime cartels down there will kidnap everybody and demand ransome….
It would be interesting to see who coughs up money
[joking right? maybe the congregants can simply drink the water]
As I have posted elsewhere:
Not that it will reduce China’s “carbon dioxide footprint” one iota, but its nuclear power plans are extremely ambitious, according to the Work Nuclear Association, which is the global trade association for the nuclear industry:
China Nuclear Reactors Under Construction: 23
China Reactors Planned: 29
China Reactors Proposed: 120
USA Nuclear Reactors Under Construction: 1
USA Reactors Planned: 9
USA Reactors Proposed: 22
The UK numbers are utterly pathetic, and are actually exceeded by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, one of the poorest nations on the planet.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.html
“so what’s the point of COP16 again?”
It is true, indeed! …. what is the point of the UN IPCC bunfest in sunny Cancun?
It is a chance for the eejits to have a ‘chin wag’ about: once more ‘pulling the wool down over people’s eyes’.
A chance for apparats and Nomenklatura of Europe and like minded nutters in the Americas to join up and do some ‘blue sky’ thinking.
CoP16: How to hoodwink, browbeat, coerce, force the taxpaying peoples of the Western economies into parting with ever more ‘filthy lucre’, in order to keep the despots and tinpot dictators in the ‘third’ world in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
Time to administer the ‘coup de grace’ to this annual farce, the taxpayers have had enough!
Trajan.
Skeptocats.
tarpon @ur momisugly November 22, 2010 at 8:33 am
The freeloading will only stop when those of us upon whom they are freeloading say: “No more!”
The redistribution will stop only when we insist that they redistribute their own wealth first.
Pass the tea bags, please.