Lord Stern: Deny the whole USA trade if you don't play the AGW game

Climate Wars: Nick Stern Threatens U.S. With Trade Boycott

The Times, 19 November 2010

Ben Webster

The United States will be banned from selling goods to many countries if it continues to shirk its promise to cut greenhouse gas emissions, according to the world’s leading climate change economist.

In an interview with The Times, Lord Stern of Brentford said that nations that were taking strong action on emissions could start imposing restrictions on “dirty” US exports by 2020.

Lord Stern, who advises several G20 leaders and is one of the key players in the international negotiations seeking a deal on emissions, made his comments ten days before the annual United Nations climate change conference opens in Cancun, Mexico. They reflect the feeling in many countries that a lack of action on emissions in the US is delaying progress in the talks.

Lord Stern said that Europe and the Far East (sic) were forging ahead of the US in controlling emissions and switching to low carbon sources of energy. They would not tolerate having their industries undermined by American competitors that had not paid for their emissions. “If you are charging properly for carbon and other people are not, you will take that into account,” he said. “Many of the more forward-looking people in the US are thinking about this. If they see a danger on the trade front to US exports that could influence public discussion.”

Asked what type of US products could face restrictions, Lord Stern said: “Aircraft, clearly, some cars, machine tools — it’s not simply what’s in the capital good, it’s what kind of processes the capital good is facilitating.”

Lord Stern said that a complete ban on some goods was also possible. He said the American people should overcome their historical antipathy to taxation and accept that emissions needed to be controlled either through a tax or a trading scheme.

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DirkH
November 19, 2010 8:58 am

Oh, we could always buy British goods instead. 😉

Robinson
November 19, 2010 9:00 am

Very Stern-like. What I don’t understand is why he doesn’t promote tariffs against China because their low wages and poor working conditions are clearly giving them a competitive advantage against the US and Europe.
Is Stern an economist?

Jean Parisot
November 19, 2010 9:04 am

We need to get this guy on TV over here. 5Mins of him will be worth a hundred studies of flawed methodologies and poor statistics.

fred
November 19, 2010 9:06 am

What a tosser…a UK economist saying that they will boycott the USA…..jeez…start a trade war that will, can’t wait. I’m sure you yanks are really quaking in your boots….Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
On the other hand …maybe he will be seen to be what he really is, now by his friend the UK Prime Minister David Camerlunatic and his ‘greenist’ party.
Stern is an ecofacist…..

Bryan
November 19, 2010 9:06 am

Presumably the trade ban would extend to banning goods from China, India and now Canada, the list gets longer by the day.
Who does Lord Stern think he is kidding!

JB1000
November 19, 2010 9:06 am

And imports from China and India will be banned when, exactly? If hypocrisy were gold, this guy could pay England’s debt himself.

steveta_uk
November 19, 2010 9:07 am

“American people should overcome their historical antipathy to taxation”
Like the rest of the world just love to be taxed.
We Brits have a word for people like ‘Lord’ Stern who spout such nonsense.
The work is “plonker”.

Engchamp
November 19, 2010 9:07 am

Another barmy Brit; he of the “stop eating meat” variety.
I have no idea how the man became a professor, but he seems determined to stop breeding pigs and cows, because they contaminate the atmosphere with far too much methane, which he reckons is 23x more effective as a GHG than the dreaded CO2.
Think it’s more like 26x, but don’t tell him.
Also, don’t tell him that much of any methane ‘contamination’ did not come from domesticated animals, but from the Russian trans-continental pipeline, which they have now repaired.

Ray
November 19, 2010 9:07 am

They will have to add Canada to the list…

spen
November 19, 2010 9:08 am

Presumably as China is now the largest emitter of CO2 this embargo will also be applied to them.

Josh Grella
November 19, 2010 9:08 am

Lord Stern can take his “conceptual mistake” comments and go [/snip] himself. Making people pay money to a government whether directly or in the purchase of some good or service is a tax, no matter how you play the semantics game. They want to isolate us? Good. We’ll stop saving their [/snip]s when some dictator uses these same tactics to gain too much strength and takes over all of Europe. Enjoy your bullying of America Europe and Asia. Don’t come to us to bail you out of your self-imposed consequences. We’ll still be here and will be using all those horrible “dirty” fuels that we have an abundance of (which we’ll be able to do once the greenies here are told to go sit down and shut up).

Curiousgeorge
November 19, 2010 9:10 am

I’ll do it myself. Snip, snip, snip, double snip. I think that about covers it.

Natsman
November 19, 2010 9:10 am

Call his bluff, pompous, ignorant idiot.

November 19, 2010 9:11 am

It won’t happen while the dollar is still world’s reserve currency. Just look at how flooding a few $100 billion into the monetary pool scared the world shitless.
And that’s just the direct negative effects of such an action upon these countries’ economies. Can you picture the effects on Asia and Latin America if the US responded by instituting a “human rights tarrif” where we tarrifed goods made by workers in conditions that didn’t meet our standards – only foreign owned companies of course; American owned companies in foreign lands would be exempted?

a jones
November 19, 2010 9:12 am

The gentleman has been singing this song for some time now, for example in OZ recently, because I suppose he feels it puts pressure on countries before Cancun.
It is pure codswallop because the WTO regime does not allow for such a thing and countries do not start trade wars on the say so of eccentric economists: not least from one whose great report on AGW has been so thoroughly debunked.
That is why I imagine he suggests that this will happen in ten years or so, safely far enough in the future to be forgotten by then. When it does not happen.
Pure alarmist grandstanding with a bullying line mixed in. Just a different tack. How very unusual.
One for the circular filing tray I fancy.
Kindest Regards

lapogus
November 19, 2010 9:13 am

I see myself as more Scottish than British, but all the same I would like to apologise profusely for the imbecilic utterances of Lord Stern on behalf on the all or at least the majority of people from these isles.

Esther Cook
November 19, 2010 9:13 am

By 2020, Even this idiot will have asked a few farmers whether crops grow better at 12 degrees C (54 F), the current average global temperature, or at 22 degrees C (72F), the norma and maximum per the 600 million year fossil record.
By 202, a few people will have found out what photosynthesis is, and will have decided this idiot would cause the death of half the human race and thousands of extinctions if we act on his advice.
We have nothing to worry about on this boycott threat.
Just the possibility that anybody WILL believe him enough to act and more countries will follow Zimbabwe’s example of anything but “carbon” and destroy the biosphere.

Jeremy
November 19, 2010 9:13 am

Usually it’s a bad idea to threaten America.

Robert Morris
November 19, 2010 9:14 am

Why is it that so many clever men give every indication of being complete idiots?

KnR
November 19, 2010 9:15 am

What an idiot , one sure fire way to get the USA’s back up is pushing ideas like this , meanwhile both China and Indian will tell him were to stick the idea too. So what is left a handful of EU countries that is until election time they laws which will mean massive increases in prices will look at as popular as fish that has been dead for 2 weeks.
Lots of talk and threats and nothing to back them up with , sadly for Stern he is looking increasingly unlike to be making big money out of carbon trading any time soon. Never mind.

bobbyj0708
November 19, 2010 9:15 am

This is the world’s “leading” climate change economist?
Good luck with that boycott, Nick, you’ll need it. Something tells me that England needs us more than we need them. Just because the Brits decided to gut their economy doesn’t need we need to follow them down the tubes.
And as for his thought that “… the American people should overcome their historical antipathy to taxation and accept that emissions needed to be controlled either through a tax or a trading scheme…” I have two words – Screw you.

Doug in Seattle
November 19, 2010 9:15 am

Anger and then despair. These folks have invested their lives and reputations to this hoax. They will fall really hard if they can’t get their way.

jorgekafkazar
November 19, 2010 9:17 am

What makes this begger think he can tell Americans what to do? Everybody loses in a trade war. What promise? I don’t recall the Senate ratifying any promise. Quite the opposite. “Forging ahead?” Sounds like fabricating a loo; makes me want to go join a Tea Party. This flamboyant, spittle-spewing posturing is another example of the End of Warmist Days, as the wheels come off the worldwide hoax.

Peter Whale
November 19, 2010 9:18 am

This is the type of comment I like from these people, they have no idea how to address people who are not fooled by their self important rhetoric. More to the point it puts the back up of people who have not yet abandoned the AGW hype. Bring it on lord Stern you have my blessing.

Jay
November 19, 2010 9:18 am

Why do the greens always harp on the US emissions.
China by 2020 will be burning coal like a speeding locomotive
Will the worlds countries stop buying “dirty” Chinese exports?.

Michael
November 19, 2010 9:21 am

Let me help you out here Lord Stern.
The USA will default on it’s national debt and financial obligations.
It is a mathematical certainty the USA will have a complete and total economic collapse.
The rest of the world will cut the USA off from trade with them because we are a deadbeat nation.
The USA will make it own little trinkets, bobbles and whatever other electronic crap its people want to buy., right here in our own land mass.
Lord Stern, please don’t try to rationalize why the rest of the planet will stop trading with the USA. You just sound silly, uninformed, and kooky with your rationalizations.

Fred
November 19, 2010 9:21 am

Stern has gone completely nutter, jumped the shark, lost his marbles.
He needs better meds, seriously.

Eddie
November 19, 2010 9:22 am

See the thing is, US citizens don’t take kindly when threatened. Good luck…

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 9:23 am

Let them have it, these arm twisting bunch of crackpot brags.
Don’t send a single US made product to Europe, ban all the use of US patents, withdraw all American companies, close US Air Space for European aircraft and withdraw all US forces.
And the next time these EU hacks need to be liberated, screw them all.
Arrogant bastards.

Al Gore's Holy Hologram
November 19, 2010 9:23 am

I say go ahead USA – don’t sell your goods to any nations that blackmails or terrorises you, whether the threat comes from some medieval caveman in Tora Bora or from a “climate change economist”. Don’t sell them any of your patented products or license them any of your patents and see how long they last.

Alvin
November 19, 2010 9:23 am

A comment was made this summer that is telling on this topic. To paraphrase, leftists were saying that the way to help Obamba is to do things that forces him to act. Now, some of it was directed towards violent actions, but this commnent reminds me of that. For someone in the G20 to say that America will be cut off if we don’t push climate legislation would give Obamba an opportunity to enforce it as a national security item, or regulatory edict to claim it was done to save America.
I really don’t like Progressives.

Roger Longstaff
November 19, 2010 9:24 am

To friends in the USA – don’t panic.
Stern is a born-again idiot who resides in an asylum for un-elected fraudsters called The House of Lords. He wrote a bizzare report a couple of years ago on the economic impact of CAGW that sought to enrich his cronies with shares in wind farms. His rantings made Jones, Mann, et al look like reasonable scientists – only Gordon Brown took it seriously.

Tim
November 19, 2010 9:25 am

“it was a “conceptual mistake” to see charging for emissions as a tax”
If you are a government and you are taking money out of my pocket it is a tax. Is that concept too hard for them to understand? Maybe he thinks “carbon user fees” are not a tax?

Eddie
November 19, 2010 9:26 am

Remind me again what happened the last time someone in Europe proposed people in the US pay more taxes…

D. Patterson
November 19, 2010 9:26 am

The Marxists are getting impatient and revealing themselves. They subverted the democratic electoral processes to install their own leaders. When the electorate rebels, the Marxists then disenfranchise the electorate. When the electorate protests their being disenfranchised, the Marxists resort to executive orders, diktat, and finally open dictatorships. It appears that Lord Stern has grown impatient enough with the opposition to the Marxist redistribution of wealth to invoke worldwide economic warfare.

pat
November 19, 2010 9:29 am

LOL. No one can stop trade to penniless Iran, North Korea or a myriad other countries that are problematic. And this jack ass thinks he is going to embargo the USA? Please. Some one convince the good Lord to lay off the hard stuff.

Ed Caryl
November 19, 2010 9:31 am

Would they do the same to China?
If the US reduces emissions, manufacturing would be reduced, reducing exports, or if the US doesn’t reduce emissions, exports will be boycotted. It looks like the US is doomed no matter what.
It won’t happen!

juanslayton
November 19, 2010 9:31 am

David Cameron leads largest trade delegation to China in 200 years
Read about it at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8116651/David-Cameron-leads-largest-trade-delegation-to-China-in-200-years.html
Lord Stern and the current government will, of course, be delighted to trade with China’s clean economy….

TonyBerry
November 19, 2010 9:32 am

I always thought he was nuts but this confirms it. What country in it’s right mind would start a trade war with the US – the largest trading nation in the world. Stern started much of the global warming nonsense and seem to think that his ideas still have value in the real world. This is almost on a par with geo-warmists wanting the flood the atmosphere with sulphur dioxide from volcanoes they’ve activated to “cool the planet”.

Stan
November 19, 2010 9:32 am

What a load of rubbish.

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 9:32 am

Lord Stern must be afraid that Great Britain’s Green suicide program will bankrupt the country before the US.

anopheles
November 19, 2010 9:33 am

Why not just sign everything over to China? Or encourage an isolationist US. That always works.

woodNfish
November 19, 2010 9:34 am

I suppose this Stern moron doesn’t know that we can deny access to our markets for countries that want to play that game. We are not only the largest exporter in the world. We are also the largest importer.

Nusquam Nihil
November 19, 2010 9:36 am

Pound salt my lord.

bradley13
November 19, 2010 9:36 am

Whatever the merits of reducing carbon emissions, this is typical UN bashing on the USA. It’s in the same category as putting Libya on the Human Rights Commission. The UN and its political positions have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with schoolyard politics.
Really: all first-world countries should drop out of the UN and let it collapse under its own, corrupt weight. Start over with a new organisation. The new one will also eventually become corrupt, but sometimes you have just got to clean house.

Dave Wendt
November 19, 2010 9:36 am

I don’t have the links available right now, but I believe the record shows that the U.S. has a better record of reducing CO2 emissions than the EU, since they collectively embraced their carbon trading scheme.

Leon Brozyna
November 19, 2010 9:38 am

Give me a break !
China’s already passed the U.S. in carbon emissions due to its rapid industrialization and electrification. In ten years it will be emitting even more and exporting even more goods. Will Lord Stern suggest barring the importation of Chinese goods then ? Thoght not.

coaldust
November 19, 2010 9:39 am

Why would we want to trade with carbon fools?

David C
November 19, 2010 9:39 am

These people are evil.

Steeptown
November 19, 2010 9:41 am

Stern is an embarassment to us Brits. I offer my apologies on behalf of normal Brits.

keith at hastings uk
November 19, 2010 9:41 am

This is simply unbelievable! So, China etc are “polluting” less? What planet is he on? Pity snow won’t fall on Cancun …. please, please let it snow.
Seriously, this man has caused all sorts of damage with his estimates that its better to trash western economies than adapt to whatever warming there may be, and on the assumption that cutting emissions will work anyway.
I don’t like cold but a cold NH winter may slow the CAGW/Change/disruption train a little.

Golf Charley
November 19, 2010 9:43 am

Stern admits that adopting the logic of AGW destroys economies.
Stern’s emissions are more toxc than CO2 ever was

tom
November 19, 2010 9:44 am

So now we can add trade wars to the list economy destroying costs that will follow the imposition of stricter limits on CO2 emissions. But, but, what about all the green jobs that will be created? LMAO.

Dr T G Watkins
November 19, 2010 9:45 am

I wonder where Stern has his investments. One can readily see his socialist tendencies as he clearly is encouraging trade embargoes.

Andrew30
November 19, 2010 9:46 am

Wow, that would be great; the reciprocal complete trade ban on imports would be the single largest job creation and wealth retention move of all time.
The Unites States (senate killed climate bill) and Canada (senate killed climate bill) would have to go it alone for all manufactured goods. Cars, Shoes, Televisions, Phones, Aircraft, Machinery, Computers, Wine, Spirits, Appliances, etc; all the stuff North America currently imports, the stuff that used to be made in North America before the jobs were shipped overseas.
North America would have full employment.
Of course the rest of the world would get a bit hungry in about 40 days, but that is their decision.
It would be wonderful.
The United States Largest Trading Partner is Canada
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States
Canada’s Largest Trading Partner is the United States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_Canada
Together the United States and Canada have enough natural resource (energy, water, minerals, lumber, etc) to keep going for a long, long, long time.
Bring it on!

John Nicklin
November 19, 2010 9:46 am

Lord Stern said that Europe and the Far East (sic) were forging ahead of the US in controlling emissions and switching to low carbon sources of energy. They would not tolerate having their industries undermined by American competitors that had not paid for their emissions.
The “Far East” is controlling its emissions? Does that include China where they are building new coal fired generators almost on a daily basis?
It seems that Stern is confusing paying for emissions with controlling emissions. The EU and a few other countries have damaged their economies and now demand that the US do the same to level the playing field.

Mike Jowsey
November 19, 2010 9:46 am

Ah yes, it’s not about the environment – it’s about redistributing wealth.

Robinson
November 19, 2010 9:47 am

Stern is missing the main point though. Given that India, China and the USA are not interested in CO2 mitigation (unless we transfer wealth to them in compensation), we are left with Europe pretty much raising its own trade barriers against everyone else. He seems to be under the impression it’s the US against the rest of the world. Well, it’s quite the opposite!

Roy
November 19, 2010 9:47 am

There’s sod-all from the US on sale here in the UK as it is. In fact there is sod-all from the UK on sale here either. Instead, the stores are crammed with goods made in China, so I can’t imagine why Lord Stern doesn’t single China out as the dirty producer to end them all.
I long ago gave up trying to avoid buying Chinese tat because it’s completely displaced better quality products in the marketplace. If Lord Stern can impede the flow of sub-standard rubbish into this country even if his reasons are silly, I’d be quite happy.

Peter Plail
November 19, 2010 9:48 am

So is he proposing to ban import of rare earth metals (critical to almost all green technologies) from China because of the filthy, polluting industrial processes used in their extraction and refining, or is communist pollution somehow more acceptable than capitalist pollution?

WetMan
November 19, 2010 9:50 am

There isn’t a single European country in which such a ludicrous idea would get any support. The EU is already fighting for its existence as it is. Any kind of trade war (with our only real ally!) or even hint of a trade war will tip it over the edge. The AGW nutters have now completely lost grip on reality…

Caleb
November 19, 2010 9:50 am

This sounds like the bluster of a desperate man. Likely he is heavily invested in European Carbon Credits, and sees the market is about to tank.

R Stevenson
November 19, 2010 9:51 am

Lord Stern is global warming fanatic. He has been calling the shots in the UK on emissions (CO2) reductions for years and firmly believes that the UK will be under water before long. He is an economist however with very little grasp of the science – a kind of English Al Gore – without the Peace Prize.

harrywr2
November 19, 2010 9:52 am

I think Europe should keep its gas guzzling Mercedes and Volvos and BMWs.
While they are at it they can keep their stinking AirBuses as well.

Jack Maloney
November 19, 2010 9:52 am

We could dress up as Green Weenies and dump their carbon permits into Boston Harbor and…nah, it’s been done before. They lost that time, too.

Myron Mesecke
November 19, 2010 9:52 am

Lord Stern,
We will remember this if the United States ever has to come to the aid of your country again. Imagine if we had kept our dirty exports of tanks, guns, ships and planes during WWI and WWII?

Dan in California
November 19, 2010 9:55 am

1) He’s making the wrong assumption that if CO2 were indeed a problem, the solution is that “emissions needed to be controlled either through a tax or a trading scheme”. Typical government taxation knee-jerk to a technical and economic problem. There are lots of ways to reduce CO2 production that do not include taxation or trading. For example, expedited permits for nuke power plants, like the Asians are doing now (24 in construction in China, 6 in Korea, 2 in Japan, 0 in US). Every coal plant blows about 20,000 tons CO2 per day and the US has hundreds of coal plants.
2) The US should charge the EU for the CO2 emissions from train transport of goods across the US on their way from Pacific Rim factories to Europe. Currently, most shipping is too big for the Panama Canal, so containers from Asia are unloaded at US western ports, travel to the Atlantic coast on the railroads, then loaded onto ships to Europe.
3) This is a hidden subsidy for Airbus. Notice his first industry to penalize is aircraft. That’s Boeing, folks.
4) The US needs to charge China for the CO2 emissions of cement production. The US is a major exporter of cement to China, and cement production generates large amounts of CO2. After all, China will not be held accountable as Lord Stern wants the US to be.

hunter
November 19, 2010 9:55 am

And just today, Drudge posts a study showing one-in-five are mentally ill.

Michael
November 19, 2010 9:56 am

I think the USA should cut itself off from the rest of the world for 5 years completely and totally.
Our electronic technological innovation spills out of our country like a geyser, and the rest of the world gets our technology to use practically for free.
Can you imagine how much more technologically advanced the United states would be than the rest of the planet on day one after the 5 year self imposed moratorium on giving away our knowledge?
At the end of the 5 year period, our technology would be worth 100 times more to the world, and then we could actually get the money that it is worth than we are getting for our intellectual knowledge today.

Robert Kral
November 19, 2010 10:02 am

What a maroon.

Ray
November 19, 2010 10:02 am

After England pillaged the world (back then…) now they want to redistribute other people’s wealth. Lord Stern needs to be reminded that India and Canada are part of the Empire, the Commonwealth. Those measures won’t go very far and fall in the Thames waters.

November 19, 2010 10:03 am

You will need another INDEPENDENCE WAR !!! 🙂

sagi
November 19, 2010 10:05 am

Inbreeding within this class has apparently taken its toll.

November 19, 2010 10:05 am

Stern is promising a trade war. This is a transparent threat. Lord Stern should be arrested and imprisoned for economic terrorism.

November 19, 2010 10:06 am

Of course the USA could just drill it’s own oil, mine it’s own coal and grow it’s own food. One of the unique advantages of being a continent. Look at all the jobs that would create. And think how easy it would be for us to just build our own nuclear power plants … One of the advantages smart people have.
All they want is they think we are going to give the scammers money so they can play God with the world’s less fortunate people. It’s the ruse of tyrants throughout the ages.

AJB
November 19, 2010 10:07 am

Is the sad pillock trying to start a war now (trade or worse)? It’s one thing to spout a load of empty rhetoric and bravado with Can/Cantcun coming up but this is completely off the wall. The man is clearly barking. For some obscure reason he always puts me in mind of Lord Haw-Haw
Watermelon calling … Watermelon calling. Get your worthless fiat carbon credits here.

November 19, 2010 10:09 am

harrywr2 says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:52 am
While they are at it they can keep their stinking AirBuses as well.

…..Their exploding up Air-Buses 🙂
BTW, it seems that in their effort for making Green airplanes they have exaggerated and made them from a wafered material: Aluminum-Carbon Fiber-Aluminum, in this order, which is : Conductor-dielectric-conductor = A flying condenser, ready to blow up… if there is some charge around.

Charles Higley
November 19, 2010 10:13 am

Lord Stern really knows how the world works. Now, let’s determine climate policy on coercion. (aka, the Lord Butt?)
If everybody else is jumping off a cliff, should we jump, too? NO!!!!!
His idea is to cripple ALL economies at the same time. It’s just not fair if everybody does not shoot themselves in the foot at the same time. There country with two feet would have the unfair advantage, of being sane as well as right.

jaypan
November 19, 2010 10:13 am

” a lack of action on emissions in the US is delaying progress in the talks”
Which progress?
Where are the people now, telling us in the past to stick with science, not politics here?
It’s all about politics, not environment anymore.

View from the Solent
November 19, 2010 10:14 am

steveta_uk says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:07 am
We Brits have a word for people like ‘Lord’ Stern who spout such nonsense.
The word is “plonker”.
————————————————————-
Close, Steve. The word I was thinking of rhymes with banker

November 19, 2010 10:15 am

“American people should overcome their historical antipathy to taxation”
We did. In 1776. Sod off, Swampy.

November 19, 2010 10:16 am

Pitiful, ain’t it?
Just as our then-current understanding of the universe’s physical laws made it clear from the beginning that the atmospheric carbon dioxide forcing mechanism at the root of the preposterous anthropogenic global warming (AGW) hypothesis couldn’t cause significant climate change when this nonsense was first bruited by third-rate idiots masquerading as climatologists more than thirty years ago, a reasonable knowledge of the laws of economics informs the reader here that the fantasmagorical threats of sanctions proposed by Lord Stern of Brentford would have no effect whatsoever as an inducement for civil government in these United States “to cut greenhouse gas emissions.”
Just how is it that this Nick Stern character is supposed to be “he world’s leading climate change economist,” anyway?
Insofar as I’ve been able to determine, he doesn’t seem to understand anything about political economics if he thinks that foreign government policies restricting purchases of U.S. manufactures could have any impact whatsoever upon the electoral choices of the citizens of our Republic. We just finished slaughtering the “global warming” freaks of the National Socialist Democrat American Party (NSDAP) in the midterm elections, and the junior chamber of the incoming 112th Congress – you know, the House of Representatives, which is responsible for setting the federal budget – is getting ready to de-fund the EPA is our Fraudulence-in-Chief persists in using that agency to criminally impose carbon dioxide emissions restrictions on the people of this country.
Not to mention the fact that some several states’ legislatures (which went overwhelmingly over to Republican Party control on 2 November 2010) have been ever more seriously considering secession as a means of securing needed relief from the economic devastation being imposed upon them from Mordor-on-the-Potomac.
Lord Stern can propose a beat-down on Boeing, f’rinstance, which would hurt the daylights out of interests in Kansas and Washington State. But would the people of Texas give the least little bitty damn?
And considering what Lord Stern’s desired “greenhouse gas emissions” cuts would do to the Lone Star State, if our criminal President-With-An-Asterisk were to attempt such measures, we might just see the first of these United States repudiate federal control altogether, declaring all these EPA regulatory measures null and void within their jurisdictions.
Next step might then be for the legislature in Austin to enact a law requiring every candidate for President of these United States to put before the state government documentary proof of eligibility under Article 2, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution, or he doesn’t get onto the ballot in Texas.
So where’s your birth certificate, you slimy bastich?
Lord Stern of Brentford needs to learn to live with disappointment, the stupid schmuck.

Bob B
November 19, 2010 10:16 am

…he said, adding that it was a “conceptual mistake” to see charging for emissions as a tax.
Maybe if we just call it Cash Flow Disruption…

Docsonic
November 19, 2010 10:20 am

The main thing I see in these comments is a lot of ‘Brit bashing’. As an ex Brit now living in Canada all I can say is – please remember that it is not the voice of the people you are hearing when you see these stories. The majority of Brits have a great deal of respect for America and spitting venomous threats to each other over the pond isn’t going to make this any better. The sooner the idiots in charge realize this (or get kicked out), the happier everyone will be in both countries.
I am sure there is a great deal of discontent in the UK right now as the voters have no viable options to vote for – all sides are green – so please don’t kick the people while they are down because the upper levels are frittering away their livelihood on a global p*ssing contest.
Here’s hoping the whole thing collapses soon so they can keep the lights on,
Tony
[Reply: Thanks for making that distinction. The problem is government, not the governed. ~dbs, mod.]

geo
November 19, 2010 10:21 am

Well, an all-out trade war would certainly cut global emissions. . . when the entire world economy crashes.

LDLAS
November 19, 2010 10:25 am

I wonder what the “punishment” for China will be.

Leo R
November 19, 2010 10:26 am

Lord Stern will soon realize his hot air rhetoric will just fuel the flames of protectionism. The EU needs North America more than North America needs them. When he finally realizes this he will shut-up or be shut-up.

TheChuckr
November 19, 2010 10:27 am

“Jeremy says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:13 am
Usually it’s a bad idea to threaten America.”
Except this time, President Obama will probably apologize.

jorgekafkazar
November 19, 2010 10:28 am

Jack Maloney says: “We could dress up as Green Weenies and dump their carbon permits into Boston Harbor and…nah, it’s been done before…”
Still, I like it.

November 19, 2010 10:30 am

When we Brits start to blackmail you Yanks, you know the game is up! The whole AGW business was created by “scientist-politicians” in the US/UK, and there’s no point in bleating now that the senior partner has finally seen the light. I always believed that only America could get us out of this mess, lead by the pragmatic common sense of her people.
O/T: Writing as a proud Englishman, I would have very much preferred that we had become a US State, rather than a region of the EU, but were never given the option. However, it may not be too late yet, so if the response to this proposal is positive, I’ll start my own blog site – WUWT!

JEM
November 19, 2010 10:31 am

Oh, the poor warmies are getting desperate now.
The problem is that there’s no downside for these clowns. When we finally get this filthy rock flipped over and expose all the dung beetles like Stern to the light of day, they’ll just bank their money from this scam and scurry on to the next rock.

Douglas DC
November 19, 2010 10:31 am

Hmm. I think I remember something about Tea, Boston Harbor, and an English
King. Oh yeah! Taxes were involved there too…

Doug
November 19, 2010 10:31 am

Nicholas Stern (extract from Wikipedia)
After his time working for the World Bank, Stern was recruited by Gordon Brown, he was, in July 2005, appointed to conduct reviews on the economics of climate change and also of development, which led to the publication of the Stern Review. At the time, he ceased to be a second permanent secretary at the Treasury though he retained the rank until retirement in 2007; the review team he headed was based in the Cabinet Office.
It was reported that Stern’s time at the Treasury was marked by tensions with his boss, Gordon Brown.
Several Whitehall sources told The Times that Mr Brown did not like some of the advice he received from Sir Nicholas, including some “home truths” about long-term trends in the economy and he never broke into the chancellor’s tight-knit inner circle he subsequently lacked a real role and spent most of his time working on major international reports on global warming and alleviating poverty in Africa. His doom-laden report on the risks of failing to address climate change, published in October, caused tensions within the Government by triggering a debate on environmental taxes and leading to calls for big policy changes.
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This guy is a proven ‘birk’ aka of the educated idiot type. As you can see this person even failed to impress Gordon Brown. That is could be considered as being the ‘Gold Standard’ of failure.
He failed to see the significance of the closure of steelworks in Britain to be shipped to India in economic terms while he was still ‘advising’ Brown. Never mind the loss of 5000 jobs in Britain. I suspect he would even sanction the import of the steel from India where it is smelted by electric energy produced from coal fired plants.
Douglas

pablo an ex pat
November 19, 2010 10:32 am

In the meantime the head of the IMF is telling European sovereign governments to save their countries by giving up more of their sovereignty and allowing direct taxation by the EU on, amongst other things, Carbon Emissions.
Pattern ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/8146842/IMF-chief-Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-urges-leaders-to-cede-more-sovereignty-to-EU.html

Thorne
November 19, 2010 10:32 am

He must have a lot invested in the Carbon Trading Market and is getting scared of losing his cash when it goes belly-up. Follow the money – perhaps he put all his pension pot into renewables!!

Rhys Jaggar
November 19, 2010 10:32 am

Will he be applying similar sanctions to China or India I wonder?
I understand that dirty coal power stations in China are a significant contributor to soot in our atmosphere and deposited on our ice reserves. Rumour has it that this is rather more potent at melting ice than seeohtwo.
I’m sure LORD Stern will be rigorous in tethering sanctions to causes, which may mean minor readjustments to his proposals in the face of evidence-based assignation of appropriate blame……
Won’t he????

peterhodges
November 19, 2010 10:32 am

i am all for it.
maybe the u.s. would start producing stuff again.

November 19, 2010 10:36 am

TheChuckr says:
“Except this time, President Obama will probably apologize.”
And his bow reflex will be triggered. The Bower-in-Chief.

Oldjim
November 19, 2010 10:37 am

I realise that it is fun to bash the Brits but I would like to point out a few things
This idiot is nothing to do with our present government
He was given the task of writing the “Stern Report” by the socialist lot we kicked out at the last election.
He is in the House of Lords but that means absolutely nothing in this case especially as he was nominated by the aforementioned socialist lot.
He is an out and out activist (Chair of The Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment) and will hopefully be ignored.

Jim
November 19, 2010 10:37 am

It sounds like this idiot has found a way to finish off the EU. It isn’t like they aren’t hanging by a thread or anything. I bet Spain, Greece, and Ireland just can’t wait to boycott the US. Wait! What is that sound? Sounds like flushing …

Grant Hillemeyer
November 19, 2010 10:37 am

First off, no apologies please from you fine WUWT Brits because I don’t want to apologize for my idiot leaders here in the states, you are hereby absolved.
Second, R. DeHann, thanks for the video, oh my god! The very idea that those MPs on the video had no notion of your public debt is frightening. It reminds me of when Howard Waxman was asked if he thought that there would be a point of taxation at which people lost their incentive to produce wealth replied that he had never thought about that.
Third, if we don’t reign in this public spending/growth madness the whole notion of actually being able to do something about CO2 if it has to be dealt is mute, we’ll all be worried about eating.
Forth, expansion of national debt is the road to serfdom, you and I should never tolerate it nor tolerate idiots like Lord Stern.
Fifth, sorry for the ramble, can see straight after stuff like this.

R. Shearer
November 19, 2010 10:39 am

Isn’t the US currency really backed by plutonium and tritium (not gold)? Would one really want to cool things off with a little nuclear winter? All it would take is a wacko taking over the U.S., Russia or China. We really need to work this all out together and forget the theats.

RockyRoad
November 19, 2010 10:40 am

Nusquam Nihil says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:36 am

Pound salt my lord.

Or the equivalent: “Pound sand, my lord.”
Might I add, blackmail on a global scale? That’s not surprising–last thread I called it theft on a global scale!
And these are the jokers that want to be in charge of Global Governance. They must be taking lessons from the devil himself.

old construction worker
November 19, 2010 10:40 am

That Sword cuts both ways. I can see it now U.S. made sold to China, resold to UK. Does the he, Al, Soro and the UN think they can control a true free market? This will open up more Black Markets.

James Sexton
November 19, 2010 10:45 am

Funny, I was just thinking about how the American worker could probably use a good dose of protectionism right about now. Odd, though, I was thinking of it in terms of the Chinese and their currency protectionism. But no matter……
One of the many beautiful blessings that comes with being in America is the knowledge that there is very little we can’t provide for ourselves.
Metals in the ground, ………………………………………………..check
Natural fuel resources………………………………………………..check
Food………………………………………………………………………..check
Technology sufficient for social-economic advancement…check
Sufficient labor force…………………………………………………..check
playmates in a trade war………………………………………………?????

Stephen Prower
November 19, 2010 10:46 am

Anthony
Here’s a businessman’s take on Scotland’s current energy policy (Rupert Soames of Aggreko):
http://www.aggreko.com/media-centre/press-releases/speech-to-scottish-parliament.aspx
The contrast with economist Lord Stern’s approach to current US energy policy is total.
[Acknowledgements for the URL to ‘rentalpower’ commenting in Roger Pielke Jr’s blog]
Stephen Prower
Stevenage
Friday 19 November 2010

Richard Sharpe
November 19, 2010 10:48 am

I suspect that it is all a distraction … trying distract from the size of the UK National Debt and the fact that the power might be off for people over winter …

November 19, 2010 10:49 am

Stern’s report was so rubbish that it seems he’ll actually want the world economies to contract through trade wars just to ‘prove’ he was right. As Professor Richard Tol expressed it: “If a student of mine were to hand in this report as a Masters thesis, perhaps if I were in a good mood I would give him a ‘D’ for diligence; but more likely I would give him an ‘F’ for fail…There is a whole range of very basic economics mistakes that somebody who claims to be a Professor of Economics simply should not make…Stern consistently picks the most pessimistic for every choice that one can make. He overestimates through cherry-picking, he double counts particularly the risks and he underestimates what development and adaptation will do to impacts.” If the report is so wrong, why not try to cripple the world to make it right?
Stern and the Grantham Institute he heads up (whose spokesman is the infamous attack-dog Bob Ward) are bankrolled by billionaire fund manager Jeremy Grantham, who also bankrolls WWF, Greenpeace, the Union of Concerned Scientists and a whole host of Green-hell advocacy groups, and the Obama presidential campaign. Grantham is about as deluded as it’s possible to be on the climate issue, but like Al Gore he’s sure to make as much money as he can out of it. He tells his investor clients (July 2010) “Global warming will be the most important investment issue for the foreseeable future. ” So gimme your money.
Grantham’s delusions are effusive in the same article: “I have a much simpler but plausible “conspiracy theory”: that fossil energy companies, driven by the need to protect hundreds of billions of dollars of profits, encourage obfuscation of the inconvenient scientific results. Why are we arguing the issue? Challenging vested interests as powerful as the oil and coal lobbies was never going to be easy. Scientists are not naturally aggressive defenders of arguments. In short, they are conservatives by training: never, ever risk overstating your ideas. The skeptics are far, far more determined and expert propagandists to boot. They are also well-funded…The obfuscators’ simple and direct motivation – making money in the near term, which anyone can relate to – combined with their resources and, as it turns out, propaganda talents, have meant that we are arguing the science long after it has been nailed down.”
Yeah, right. The science is settled and anyone who disagrees is in the pay of Big Oil. To try to redress the balance, Grantham pours hundreds of millions of dollars into ecofascist propaganda. Jeremy Grantham and his wife have bunged at least GBP12 million to the organization that Stern heads up, so they definitely want value for money. Stern has to keep ‘on message’ to keep the funds flowing and be seen to be doing a good job as chairman.

DennisA
November 19, 2010 10:49 am

http://www.uni-protokolle.de/nachrichten/id/186585/
Lord Nicholas Stern receives Honorary Doctorate of the TU Berlin
Award ceremony was held on November 4th at the TU Berlin on the occasion of the first “Climate Lecture”. “October 21, 2009, the Academic Senate of the TU Berlin resolved to bestow the title of Honorary Doctorate on Professor Lord Nicholas Herbert Stern of Brentford.”
These lectures are organised in cooperation with Vattenfall Europe AG (wind turbines) and Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. (Schellnhuber, Edenhofer, Rahmstorf and many more)
This took place a month before COP 16 in Copenhagen.
TU President Prof. Dr. Kurt Kutzler said: “Lord Stern’s innovative work and his successes in bringing climate change and related economics issues to the international agenda are driving further research and scientific expertise.
He is now a scientist, Kutzler again: “In his role as a scientist, Lord Stern has earned broad international recognition, particularly in the fields of growth and development theory, government policy, and the economics of climate change. His exceptional standing as a scientist is demonstrated in the numerous important books he has published, in addition to more than 100 expert articles.”
Prof. Dr. Ottmar Edenhofer (Redistributing Wealth, WUWT, Nov 18th), presented the address at the ceremony.
According to Edenhofer, “As a brilliant economist Nicholas Stern has not only made significant contributions to our understanding of climate change from an economics point of view, but to international climate policies as well. He has convincingly shown that investments in climate protection make good economic sense.”
According to Stern: “Ottmar Edenhofer is an internationally outstanding scientist in the economics of climate change. His expertise, experience, wisdom and judgement are of great value for the IPCC and especially Working Group 3 “Mitigation of Climate Change”.
All pals together.

Michael
November 19, 2010 10:50 am

It’s over Stern. You got that? IT”S OVER!
You ain’t getting that New World Order thing you have been working for your entire life.
You got that Lord Stern?
IT’S OVER! YOU LOST!

November 19, 2010 10:51 am

Lord Stern is a foot soldier in the Soros army, as is Jeremy Grantham of the Grantham Foundation, purveyors of the debunked CAGW scam. Here’s where they’re headed:
Woah!… Soros Group Says Obama Can Use Armed Forces to Push “Progressive” Agenda

jorgekafkazar
November 19, 2010 10:53 am

Enneagram says: “BTW, it seems that in their effort for making Green airplanes they have exaggerated and made them from a wafered material: Aluminum-Carbon Fiber-Aluminum, in this order, which is : Conductor-dielectric-conductor = A flying condenser, ready to blow up… if there is some charge around.”
Graphite (carbon fiber) is more conductive than Germanium or Silicon. Your condenser wouldn’t store energy. Also, it would be easy to ground the inner and outer layers. If the structure is riveted, you wouldn’t even need to add grounding straps.

David
November 19, 2010 10:55 am

Can’t imagine ANYONE in their right mind choosing Brentford as the seat for their lordship – with apologies to the good citizens of that borough, its a fairly uninspiring West London suburb, a mixture of residential roads and carpet warehouses…
Anyway – his Lordship is clearly off his trolley, and if this sort of outburst is the ‘official’ line, it only goes to prove that UK government ministers have a long way to go before they grasp reality…

Neil McEvoy
November 19, 2010 10:56 am

I’m sorry US readers, but we in the UK didn’t get the chance to elect this pompous oaf who claims to represent us. We need a revolution to purge these stupid and insufferable people.

Michael D Smith
November 19, 2010 10:58 am

Let ’em do it. We’ll be the only ones left standing.

Chris
November 19, 2010 10:58 am

We Brits have a word for people like ‘Lord’ Stern who spout such nonsense.
The work is “plonker”.”

Actually we in the UK have a much better one. Rhymes with ‘anchor’.
Just like the apparent US Boycott of French goods in the wake of the Gulf war, you remember – when the French actually INCREASED exports to the US, this one means nothing to most people.
Stern is an idiot.
Who will be ignored.

DennisA
November 19, 2010 11:00 am

sagi says:
November 19, 2010 at 10:05 am
“Inbreeding within this class has apparently taken its toll.”
Not much class here, he has only been a Lord for 3 years, got the prize from Gordon Brown for the Stern Review. He will never face an election but gets to vote on legislation. Our upper chamber is now mostly political appointees and failed MP’s.
The latest load of Lords includes the Tory Party treasurer who has given £2m to the party in the last few years. Three main parties in the UK are the same, all dyed green. And they tell us we live in a democracy.

Scott Covert
November 19, 2010 11:03 am

Lord Stern sounds more like Howard Stern.
It’s only fitting the group giving the Greens so much strife is called The Tea Party.
History repeats itself. No taxation without representation.
Our muskets are much better now and we have more of them just like before.

Allan M
November 19, 2010 11:05 am

I seem to recall an iconic, or perhaps fictitious, newspaper headline:
FOG IN (ENGLISH) CHANNEL: CONTINENT ISOLATED
But our glorious leaders never learn.

Tamara
November 19, 2010 11:06 am

Looks like King George III was prescient:
“I can never suppose this country so far lost to all ideas of self-importance as to be willing to grant America independence; if that could ever be adopted I shall despair of this country being ever preserved from a state of inferiority and consequently falling into a very low class among the European States. “

Nobby
November 19, 2010 11:15 am

Lord Stern is (forgive the profanity) a Dickhead. In our last election in the UK we traded a lot of neutered europhile Socialists for a bunch of Green tinted Liberal and Tory-lite europhiles. Brussels and the IPCC call the shots and all our MPs/Lords have to go along with whatever they say having given away almost all of our legislative and some of our judicial powers already. Poll after poll shows that the majority of English men and women want out of the failed European Union, mainly because we were never asked if we wanted to be in it in the first place. We were sold and voted for a ‘common market’ back in 1973, a trading union and nothing more. What we got is an an unwieldy, crooked, money wasting, lopsided federation of mostly Socialist governments and the biggest, most corrupt bureaucracy in the western hemisphere.
nb: A Tory is a bit like a Republican or at least they used to be, these days in the UK it’s hard to tell one party from another when it comes to climate change and the E.U.S.S.R.

Ivan
November 19, 2010 11:16 am

“In ten years it will be emitting even more and exporting even more goods. Will Lord Stern suggest barring the importation of Chinese goods then ?”
He will not. Because his goal is not to limit the CO2 emissions but to establish socialism and “global governance” in the Western word. For that goal to be achieved, ‘global warming’ aka “climate change-climate disruption’ nonsense is as good as any other excuse (‘economic injustice’, ‘poverty’, Ozone hole, invasion of Martians, whatever).

Alexander K
November 19, 2010 11:16 am

Stern is a Brit synonym for arse; Lord Stern talks out of his.

Peter
November 19, 2010 11:17 am

There simply aren’t enough [snip]s in the known universe to cover everything I want to say about that idiot. Unfortunately for me, I live in the UK.

Clive Dawson
November 19, 2010 11:17 am

Hey, Guys. Please don’t blame England because of what this raving lunatic has said. Most of us are completely on your side. He shames us.

November 19, 2010 11:17 am

Smokey says:
November 19, 2010 at 10:51 am
Lord Stern is a foot soldier in the Soros army

But, sincerely, I do not understand why a man with so many billions want to rule the world?
To have more money?…perhaps he will buy immortality? I don’t get it. He is meddling in many countries with his “Open Society” thing. All we want human beings is having the right to live and die, to be rich or be poor (this is a right too!). Can anyone of you, much more educated and intelligent than me explain to me such a behavior?
Anyway, no one has the right to interfere in other peoples’ lives unless they voluntarily accept it: That’s the fair play, anything else is conspiracy.

MikeP
November 19, 2010 11:20 am

For you Brits … What is the difference between Lord Stern and a common South American form of flora?
One is Pampas Grass, the other is a …

SandyInDerby
November 19, 2010 11:22 am

He’s just another in a long line of “The wisest fool in Christendom”. Starting with James VI we have had a fair number over the years. Treat him with the contempt he deserves.

Stephen Wilde
November 19, 2010 11:23 am

In view of Stern’s ideological fervour was he really the right person to prepare an unbiased report ?

tommy
November 19, 2010 11:24 am

I think it is instead time to boycott UK.

Sandy
November 19, 2010 11:24 am

The economies that do the Greenie bidding won’t be able to afford US goods

Solomon Green
November 19, 2010 11:25 am

Lord Stern is listed as an advisor to IDEAcarbon whoe website advertises.
“IDEAcarbon is an independent and professional provider of ratings, research and strategic advice on carbon finance. Our services are designed to provide leading financial institutions, corporations, governments, traders and developers with unbiased intelligence and analysis of the factors that affect the pricing of carbon assets.
The IDEAcarbon team are leading experts in the carbon and energy markets. We combine policy and carbon market analysis with proprietary tools for the analysis of carbon project credit risk. Our techniques assist our clients to manage and mitigate risk in today’s uncertain global carbon markets.”
He brings to the Climate change debate a similar independent contributuon as does Pachauri.

Douglas DC
November 19, 2010 11:29 am

So he has a degree from TU Berlin? Honorary, be sure TU or”Tango Uniform” has a bit of a different meaning in the USA.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tango%20uniform
however it aptly describes what would happen to the World economy…

Marion
November 19, 2010 11:31 am

Sometimes, just sometimes (OK well rather a lot this last year) it is extremely embarrassing having to admit you’re British – I do apologise for my countrymen – from the CRU non-scientists to the ludicrous bureaucrats in the various whitewashing committees to the idiotic so-called economists like Lord Stern. If with a wave of the wand I could get them off the tax-payer funded payroll I would dearly love to do so, in fact I’d go further and try them all for treason, they certainly don’t have the best interests of the UK at heart.

kramer
November 19, 2010 11:31 am

Good! Let’s retaliate by blocking their imports, what’ll happen is that those goods will start being made here again lowering our unemployment.

beesaman
November 19, 2010 11:35 am

Stern is one of the idiots the UK has to thank for the financial mess it is in at the moment. Ignore him, we do.
Oh and he isn’t going to be critical of the Chinese, he’s being paid too much by them via the China Investment Corporation.

Jeremy
November 19, 2010 11:36 am

So the Lord Monckton’s conspiracy theory seems quite justified!
This statement by Lord Stern confirms CAGW is not only a scam but also part of a UN plot to create World Government.
I expect the great USA will chuck Lord Stern into Boston Harbor – if he dares to visit – just like they did with the tea.

JEM
November 19, 2010 11:36 am

Dear Lord Stern,
The English language is broad and expressive, and while you islanders may in fact have the upper hand in the flowery use of the tongue, we do have a few expressions, many of which fully rise to the American reputation for coarseness in describing acts of fornication or the evacuation of the bowels, that could serve to respond to your absurd nattering at this time.
Sincerely,
Brother Jonathan.

John F. Hultquist
November 19, 2010 11:37 am

I don’t care what the rest or you say, I have always appreciated the British folks sense of humor.

November 19, 2010 11:39 am

For the last 35 years, the USA has produced more GDP than anyone else using the least amount of energy in the process, and instituting the EPA and reducing coal-fired sulfur emissions 50% along the way. The USA is without peer when it comes to fuel efficiency.
Lord Stern: get off your unknowledgeable high horse and give the credit due the USA!

John from New Zealand
November 19, 2010 11:40 am

The sane world should turn the concept on it’s head and refuse trade with any country the promotes AGW, due to the fact that they are price gouging and extorting money in a fraudulent manner.

November 19, 2010 11:42 am

His economic predictive skill is as strong as Hansen’s climate predictive skill.

Vince Causey
November 19, 2010 11:45 am

Oldjim,
“He was given the task of writing the “Stern Report” by the socialist lot we kicked out at the last election.”
And the new lot now in power are different how, exactly?

November 19, 2010 11:53 am

I don’t know why we didn’t drown them when we had the chance.

grayman
November 19, 2010 11:54 am

HE is an idiot! The world economy depends on the USA to buy the products they produce and any more taxes that have already been added since obama are just going to add to the problem. IMO he needs to get out in the street and see how the havenots live and make do with the ways things are going THE UK are going to have a hard time dealing with these new money schemes like we are.

John Peter
November 19, 2010 11:55 am

“woodNfish says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:34 am
I suppose this Stern moron doesn’t know that we can deny access to our markets for countries that want to play that game. We are not only the largest exporter in the world. We are also the largest importer.”
USA may be the largest importer, but only No. 3 as exporter after China and Germany.

November 19, 2010 11:56 am

In an interview with The Times, Lord Stern of Brentford said that nations that were taking strong action on emissions could start imposing restrictions on “dirty” US exports by 2020.
By 2020 Lord Stern of Brentford could be fishing for driftwood under the Kew bridge to keep himself warm.

William
November 19, 2010 12:00 pm

As the science does not support the extreme AGW position, (a doubling of CO2 will result in less than 1C degree warming with most of the warming occurring at high latitudes and with effects of the warming to be mostly beneficial) there is no global warming problem to solve.
There is a fixed amount of public money to address real problems and one of the real public problems is massive government debit which will lead to a currency collapse or very high inflation. (Curiously the same out come occurs over and over again.)
The AWG problem is a crisis. The crisis is the leaches of this world are trying to take advantage of well meaning people.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/pachauri-nose-in-honey-jar.html
“With a distinguished Indian member, by the name of Dr R K Pachauri, already on the Chicago External Advisory Board, it comes as no surprise to learn that the new chairman of this founder member group was to be Pachauri.
To assist him in the development of this enterprise, there was also created a Technical Design Committee, attracting a number of India’s “leading industrial companies” and “think-tanks” who had “committed” to be part of the committee. And, amongst those were Tata Motors, Tata Chemicals and Tata Power, as well as TERI India, of which Dr Pachauri just happens to be Director-General.
Interestingly, the Chairman of the entire Climate Exchange PLC group, Dr Richard L Sandor, is a member of the TERI School of Management Advisory Committee in India.
All this puts Pachauri, with his institute, as a direct player in the creation of a lucrative carbon trading market in India, alongside direct evidence that he was using his position as chairman of the IPCC to advocate a “definite agreement on placing a price on carbon” at the Copenhagen COP15 Summit.
Acting with a coterie of other UN officials, when it comes to conflicts of interest, they do not come any stronger.”

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 12:01 pm
JudyW
November 19, 2010 12:04 pm

Bullying won’t win any friends to his side. He talks big for a country that almost ran out of heating fuel last year when the whole British isle was covered with ice and snow.
He must have a lot of money invested in the failing green economy.

Grant
November 19, 2010 12:04 pm

Barking mad fool- the stress of plummeting investments.

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 12:06 pm
Roger Longstaff
November 19, 2010 12:06 pm

Where are all of the comments?
[Reply: There is only one moderator on duty, and his wife just got out of the hospital after a knee replacement. Please be patient. Trying to hold down the fort here and also be a nurse. ~dbs]

DaveF
November 19, 2010 12:09 pm

Lord Stern’s words effectively come down to, “If you Americans don’t do as I tell you I’m going to groin you in the knee then poke you in the finger with my eye!”
He is an irrelevant ex-government advisor whose economic reports have been very widely criticised. Ignore him.

Jimmy Haigh
November 19, 2010 12:12 pm

steveta_uk says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:07 am
“We Brits have a word for people like ‘Lord’ Stern who spout such nonsense.
The word is “plonker”.
We also have other words for people like him. Unfortunately I’d be snipped…

Vince Causey
November 19, 2010 12:20 pm

Like a crusading rebellious adolescent, he needs to be ignored. But you have to blame those in charge for not doing so.
If a parent was to parade such a teenager through society, and implore them to listen to his ‘message’, they would soon find themselves the object of worried glances. But this is exactly what is happening in the case of Stern. Journalists whose job it is to investigate truth and expose scams should have put down this adolescents ravings for the nonsense it clearly is. Not only have they not done so, but they have lauded this man, treating every utterance with the reverence normally afforded to histories greatest. The adolescent, mistaking the fawning accolades of a discredited media as confirmation of his own greatness, moves from one outrage to another.
Where is the mainstream journalist – just one – who will raise his or her pen in righteous indignation and spell out what is obvious to everybody with half a faculty? That this man is mad. Has been driven mad by all of you. All of you fawning journalists for fawning over his nonsense. Driven mad by the empty salutations of UN bodies, of politicans and by the enoblement of the previous government.
Or shall this petulant adolescent be allowed to run and run until he becomes a danger to himself and all the rest of us?

Dizzy Ringo
November 19, 2010 12:24 pm

Reminds me of “the Mouse that roared” with Peter Sellars. Trouble is the gentleman seems to be operating in a parallel universe.
He does not speak for all Brits – just the numpties.

RichieP
November 19, 2010 12:25 pm

Caleb says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:50 am
‘This sounds like the bluster of a desperate man.’
I think this is entirely the point. He and his cohorts at the Grantham Institute, Bob Ward’s outfit, know that the jig is up. It’s just final desperation as they see their hopes of power and control start to spiral down the bog. Nobody with any remaining grasp on reality could imagine that the UK (where I am, totally buggered as we are, who can’t even afford to put planes on our one aircraft carrier, which we time-share with the French), could seriously pose any threat to the US. But these folk are used to behaving like bullies, especially to people who ‘don’t understand’ or who simply stick up two fingers to their cant and claptrap. There’s a good line in ‘Julius Caesar’: “Defiance, traitors, hurl we in your teeth’. That’s how I feel about these deluded nutters.
@Doug (November 19, 2010 at 10:31 am } – may I respectfully correct a typo? Birk, properly, should be Berk, an abbreviation of the Cockney Rhyming Slang expression ‘Berkshire Hunt’. Very apt Doug, very apt, I agree.

1DandyTroll
November 19, 2010 12:25 pm

Weird, wouldn’t a Lord, within the Euro nation, know that it is highly illegal to threaten anyone with anything, especially in an official capacity and especially when it comes to the protection of the Euro nations total wealth and income?
And oh yeah it is, if memory serves, using the same laws the idiot greenie hobnob hippie cultists wanted once upon a time, like less then 20 years ago.

Robuk
November 19, 2010 12:27 pm

The United States will be banned from selling goods to many countries if it continues to shirk its promise to cut greenhouse gas emissions, according to the world’s leading climate change economist.
This is utter bunk.
World Bank Funds Massive Coal-Fired Power Plant in South Africa
The World Bank voted last week to approve a $3.75 billion loan to South Africa’s public utility Eskom, the bulk of which would finance construction of what will be the world’s seventh-largest coal plant. The U.S. abstained from the vote.
“Giving the go-ahead to the Medupi coal plant, which will release massive amounts of greenhouse gases for decades, without a clear South African plan to level off and then decrease emissions amounts to a step backward when the world is moving forward to a clean energy future,” said Peter Goldmark, director of Environmental Defense Fund’s climate and air program.
http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/20119

Wondering Aloud
November 19, 2010 12:29 pm

With our trade deficit and the bs exchange rates prevailing, wouldn’t some of these countries refusing to trade with us cause a boom in our economy?

Robuk
November 19, 2010 12:29 pm

The UK abstained from the vote also.

DesertYote
November 19, 2010 12:29 pm

JEM says:
November 19, 2010 at 11:36 am
“Brother Jonathan.”
###
Your signature is the title of a book I read decades ago.
???

Layne Blanchard
November 19, 2010 12:31 pm

If every country had to stand alone and support itself, the US would be the biggest winner. We import nearly everything now, to the detriment of our manufacturing base.
Such a situation would cause the greatest industrial boom ever seen in this country.
The Cabal of Climate Thieves are becoming desperate. With the Obama Presidency, they thought they finally had the keys to the kingdom. Now Americans (and the GOP) have gone and spoiled the plan. Their desperation is showing badly.

tallbloke
November 19, 2010 12:33 pm

Let them have it, these arm twisting bunch of crackpot brags.
Don’t send a single US made product to Europe, ban all the use of US patents, withdraw all American companies, close US Air Space for European aircraft and withdraw all US forces.
And the next time these EU hacks need to be liberated, screw them all.
Arrogant bastards.

What is this? the weekly ten minute hate?
One tosspot has been says something stupid and suddenly the whole of Europe gets it in the neck?
Get a grip.

DesertYote
November 19, 2010 12:34 pm

Jeremy
November 19, 2010 at 11:36 am
I expect the great USA will chuck Lord Stern into Boston Harbor – if he dares to visit – just like they did with the tea.
#
Not a good idea … would pollute the water, but we have other time honored traditions 🙂

me
November 19, 2010 12:38 pm

Man, if we had a commander-in-chief with a pair in charge these days, he’d have some choice retorts for this clown! But alas, we don’t. We’ll probably send him a fruit basket with an apology and a promise to do better.

Olen
November 19, 2010 12:43 pm

What an ambition and ego and what a crock. I would bet he is brilliant within his own circle of friends.

David, UK
November 19, 2010 12:45 pm

And so the plan to cause the collapse of the economies of the developed world (starting with every Liberal’s favourite hate-target, the USA) rolls on.
Not just evil; STUPID. When will Liberals wake up to the idiocy that is being perpetrated in the name of this bullsh*t anti-human agenda? It is part of the human condition to create, invent, TRADE and aspire to increased wealth. These self-loathing A holes will not be satisfied until the West is ruined, shackled by their fascist laws and tariffs, and China steps in to become the new USA (albeit a despotic one).

Don Ritson
November 19, 2010 12:46 pm

Economist, is he!
An economist can best be described as someone who drives a car at seventy miles an hour and steers by looking through the rear window.
He couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery.

Gareth
November 19, 2010 12:46 pm

It looks to me like imports are being positioned to become a revenue source for Governments far larger than current import duties make it – emissions related revenue can be raised at the consumption end that would go into our Government’s pockets rather than Chinese ones.
The problem with that is we know what politicians are like. The revenue raised from emissions related taxes will be in addition to all other tax revenues rather than instead of some. Regardless of my scepticism over the science I personally wouldn’t be that bothered about emissions related taxes *if other taxes such as income tax were reduced to compensate*. But they aren’t. These are never neutral measures when it comes to the cost that Government inflicts upon us.
When Governments are prepared to show *they* are willing to forgo the plump revenue stream they are salivating over I might believe they sincerely want to encourage cleaner and more efficient lifestyles.

maz2
November 19, 2010 12:46 pm

“Peter Foster: Canada dodges carbon suicide”
“Harper right to kill ‘irresponsible’ bill that would have erased legions of jobs”
“Mr. Harper has always clearly grasped — apparently unlike the majority of his international counterparts — that the greatest threat facing humanity is not climate change, but climate-change policy. Bill C-311 was a perfect example. Opposition parties, in thrall to radical green groups or sheer hypocrisy, were supporting a piece of draconian legislation that would not have had one raindrop’s worth of perceptible effect on the global climate. Nor would it have in any way influenced the way other countries are attempting to writhe away from this issue.”
“The bottom line is that the Conservatives have worked consistently to minimize the damage to the Canadian economy from the all-but-collapsed climate-change juggernaut, and have succeeded admirably. Public concern has — despite flagrantly rigged opinion polls — subsided in the wake both of more immediate economic issues and the very valid doubts over “the science” raised by Climategate and Glaciergate, and by the review of the IPCC undertaken by the InterAcademy Council — the representative body of national science academies. That review acknowledged that the whole IPCC process needs to be reformed.
No matter what the state of the science, however, anybody who supports unilateral action such as Bill C-311 could only be an economic masochist or a political numbskull. To reiterate: the prospect of international agreement to slash emissions has collapsed; any measures to hobble Canada unilaterally would thus be both economically suicidal and climatologically pointless.
Mr. Harper is to be congratulated. The measure of his success will be the volume of “dinosaur” or “fossil” awards given to Canada at Cancun. Canadian representatives should accept them with pride.”
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2010/11/18/peter-foster-canada-dodges-carbon-suicide/

James Sexton
November 19, 2010 12:50 pm

tallbloke says:
November 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm
What is this? the weekly ten minute hate?
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Well, you know its just vent. Some of us are given to a knee jerk reaction from time to time, but, we’re tied to our cousins across the pond in more ways than just trade. Britannia and her offspring will always be tied to each other.
Speaking of, has there been any word from N.Z. re. the miners?

Monroe
November 19, 2010 12:50 pm

Lots of bloviating. Corn Wheat and Cotton, Corn Wheat and Cotton, please send Corn Wheat and Cotton. We did it before and we can do it again.

Julian in Wales
November 19, 2010 12:58 pm

The decision to boycott US goods would be taken by the EU, the British “government” have a very small voice in the matter. Smaller voice than the Germans who export BMWs to the US. It just shows how out of touch with reality this feeble man is. His words are not worth reporting.
Here in the UK i no longer listen to the news, they are so out of touch it is better, and more productive to the intellect, to turn over to Radio three where they play recording of concerts..

November 19, 2010 12:59 pm

As an Englishman I would like to apologize to everyone for Lord Stern.
And also where is Guido Fawkes when his country needs him?

Magnus A
November 19, 2010 1:00 pm

R. de Haan, thanks for the links!!!

November 19, 2010 1:01 pm

Enneagram says @ 11:17 am:
“But, sincerely, I do not understand why a man with so many billions want to rule the world? To have more money?…perhaps he will buy immortality? I don’t get it. He is meddling in many countries with his “Open Society” thing… Can anyone… explain to me such a behavior?”
Money doesn’t explain all human behavior. There is also status, which is hard-wired into us by evolution. In a prehistoric tribe, status easily meant the difference between survival and starvation. The king’s family rarely starved.
From a report in The Economist about a psychology experiment, here is an example of how social status works: when people were asked in a study whether they would rather earn $100,000 a year, when everyone they knew was earning $50,000 a year, or whether they would rather earn $150,000 a year, when everyone else they knew was earning $200,000 a year, the answer invariably given was that they would prefer to earn the lower amount; as long as they earned more than other people did, they were happier. Higher social status is more important than more dollars.
Another example of status: during the Roman civil war, when Caesar’s army was marching in the Alps they came upon an extremely destitute, dirt-poor village. One of Caesar’s lieutenants jokingly asked him how he would like to be the head man of that no-account village. Caesar replied: “Better head man here than second man in Rome.” Status is deeply ingrained. It goes back to Cain and Abel, and it trumps money.
The world is fast becoming richer. Forbes magazine this week listed the top ten Indian billionaires. Their wealth totaled several hundred billion dollars, and they are not all of India’s billionaires. Then there is China, and the rest of the developing world.
George Soros is much less rich than many Indians and Chinese. The more billionaires in the world, the lower George’s status. America has a lot of billionaires, so Soros is nothing special in that regard. Soros is now moving to China, where his wealth will allow him to live in opulence among a billion people – where most cannot even afford a car [and where he will be far beyond the reach of France, where he is a convicted criminal].
Then there is the status that comes from totalitarian governments, which have always coddled rich, friendly capitalists. For example, the Soviet Union’s bowing and scraping before Armand Hammer, who could travel at will throughout Russia, and where the red carpet was always rolled out for him.
Soros, like other rich men, craves the status conferred by his green entourage. There are no more intense haters than eco-greens; who wants to be hated and chastised, when with the right eco-words and some money spread around, they can buy adulation and fawning People magazine articles instead?
Soros knows he was given a gift for financial acumen. But deep down he is still the “Judas goat” who herded his fellow jews into railroad cars for the Nazis, promising them they were going to Palestine. The went East, instead. During an interview Soros was given the opportunity to apologize for leading his countrymen and women to slaughter. He refused. He has always wanted to be on the side of totalitarians. To Soros, that confers the ultimate status.
The common people mean nothing to him; they are simply tools, a means to an end. And many of them are willing tools. Some of the masses liquidated by Stalin went out happily, knowing they were to be shot. They believed their deaths would advance international socialism. Martyrs die in order to be right. And as Leo Tolstoy explains:

I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth, if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.

Gavin Schmidt, Lord Stern, Michael Mann, Phil Jones and most of their ilk know that CAGW is a scam. Their emails show that they know the real world data directly contradicts their models.
But by now they own their lie. They have told it too often. And the status they enjoy is so fantastic that they are hooked, knowing that if they had been born forty years earlier, they would be unknown nerds, hoping no one took their seat in the faculty lounge while they went out for a smoke, and desperately wishing they were on the football team instead of being ordinary scientists.

latitude
November 19, 2010 1:04 pm

They reflect the feeling in many countries
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on one side you have the vast majority of countries that get paid
on the other, you have a small minority of countries that have to pay
Let’s vote!

GBees
November 19, 2010 1:08 pm

Imbecile. Who needs these Globalists and their socialist agendas. Up yours IMF, UN, IPCC, WHO. We don’t care for you’re Socialist agendas which dictate to free countries and strip away their sovereign rights.

Rational Debate
November 19, 2010 1:12 pm

When I posted this to Tips & Notes for Anthony yesterday, the aspect that really caught my eye was that he’s threatening us – ten years in the future!!! How reasonable is that?
The other main thoughts I’d had was that we’ll see if this is even an issue by then or if AGW has gone the way of the Dodo’s…. the latter would be a he who laughs last situation. Plus, a liberal green friend of mine has, several times in the past, said that WE (the USA) ought to do exactly this to other countries when we implement either cap & trade or carbon taxes.
All of this, of course, makes me think of how protectionist trade wars were integral in causing the Great Depression.

jason
November 19, 2010 1:13 pm

I wrote about Stern on blackswhitewash.com earlier in the year.
He has a stake in a carbon trading company, and is closely tied to the grantham institute.
He is basically the worst sort of advocate, he is in it for the money.

jazznick
November 19, 2010 1:18 pm

I do apologise on behalf of the UK for the further outpourings of this demented
pillock.
Hear what Prof Richard Lindzen thinks about this moron. When he stops giggling.
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=6406

STEPHEN PARKERuk
November 19, 2010 1:20 pm

Who would you want on your side when the chips are down. the french, indians Chinese, germans italians, and all south americans? Or the english, australians, new zealanders and canadians. It pays to know who your friends really are

Editor
November 19, 2010 1:23 pm

a jones says: “It is pure codswallop because the WTO regime does not allow for such a thing
Rats! I was hoping that Australia could join in and be banned too, it could be fun.
Re-think : That’s nonsense, of course. Australian exports were banned by the UK back in 1973.
So, is it : Hi USA, welcome to the club…

November 19, 2010 1:26 pm

Obviously, I’m talking about governments
Here, in the third world. We know.
The best trade of the world. It is losing a war to the United States of America. Any war.
Coincidences….????????
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/President_Theodore_Roosevelt%2C_1904.jpg/200px-President_Theodore_Roosevelt%2C_1904.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Watts_in_OZ_2010.jpg/220px-Watts_in_OZ_2010.jpg

Ross
November 19, 2010 1:29 pm

“The United States will be banned from selling goods”
So who will do the banning , Stern ? and who are you to speak on behalf of any Govt.?
These idiots can see that Cancun is going to be worse than Copenhagen so desperation has met the brick wall.
( PS. I hope he had heaps invested in the Chicago Carbon exchange that has gone down the tube)

Doug
November 19, 2010 1:30 pm

RichieP says: November 19, 2010 at 12:25 pm
@Doug (November 19, 2010 at 10:31 am } – may I respectfully correct a typo? Birk, properly, should be Berk, an abbreviation of the Cockney Rhyming Slang expression ‘Berkshire Hunt’. Very apt Doug, very apt, I agree.
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RichieP re Berk. Thanks. Knew it was slang – use it frequently verbally – but don’t remember seeing it written.
Douglas

Malcolm Miller
November 19, 2010 1:31 pm

Stern does not represent Britain, any more than his Australian equivalent represents our country. He’s not even a good economist if he doesn’t see that following the strict AGW recommendations would mean lowering our standards of living to mediaeval levels.

Kate
November 19, 2010 1:33 pm

Robinson says: Is Stern an economist?
No, he is not an economist, a scientist, or even an environmentalist. He is actually an investment banker who dreamed up the whole scheme to regulate carbon dioxide emissions worldwide.
By the way, he also tried this “bullying” stunt in China, demanding they impose CO2 regulations or be shut out of exports to the EU, so it’s somewhat amusing to see him say how much the Far East has progressed in this area.

Brian Johnson uk
November 19, 2010 1:33 pm

Yet another of his lordships that barely has an active brain cell.

Robert of Ottawa
November 19, 2010 1:33 pm

Stern continues to amaze me. Not only is the emperor naked, he’s hanging in the sky with no visible means of support.

Robert of Ottawa
November 19, 2010 1:36 pm

STEPHEN PARKERuk November 19, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Who would you want on your side when the chips are down. the french, indians Chinese, germans italians, and all south americans? Or the english, australians, new zealanders and canadians. It pays to know who your friends really are
Not ALL South Americans. Há os Brasileiros: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Expeditionary_Force

November 19, 2010 1:39 pm

Smokey says:
November 19, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Thanks for the teaching!

Mike M
November 19, 2010 1:43 pm

Snake oil salesman Stern is now angrily threatening us with witchcraft because no one is buying his snake oil. If he cannot send civilization back to the stone age by scaring people into limiting their CO2 then he’ll just have to try to do it by shackling trade with a wave of his magic wand.
If someone told you that you will die unless you take a vaccine for a disease that had no proof of existence but this vaccine had a guaranteed side effect of causing permanent blindness – would you take it? It’s as though Stern is asserting that we should accept blindness as our only hope for survival. Similarly, what he is demanding that we accept, is a very dark looking future indeed – except for arrogant scare mongering elitists like himself of course..

Gunnar Strandell
November 19, 2010 1:47 pm

Who is buying a Brittain car or truck today?
No one, because there are no.
Lord Stern reminds me of the time when fog covered the channel and someone said:
Europe is isolated.
Today it seems the whole world is isolated.
Pity us!

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 1:49 pm

More Zealots pressing the USA to surrender at Cancun and commit suicide
http://www.environmental-expert.com/resultEachPressRelease.aspx?cid=6511&codi=209402&lr=1

John Whitman
November 19, 2010 1:49 pm

British blackmail in the morning, ahhh how rejuvenating with the morning coffee.
The redcoats are coming, again . . . . didn’t they learn the first time?
John

Binny
November 19, 2010 1:49 pm

Hahahahahaha….fall off chair Hahahahahaha……roll on floor Hahahahahaha……clutch sides……Hahahahahahaha.
God I love upon the pommy aristocracy, the world would indeed be a very boring place without them.

Mike M
November 19, 2010 1:51 pm

Come to think of it…I’m really going to miss all those British goods – as much as my dad missed them back in WW2. /sarc

Latimer Alder
November 19, 2010 1:53 pm

Is it possible that the US administration is not yet quaking in its boots at this unsubtle manoeuvere? And we Brits used to be good at the velvet glove concealing an iron fist.
This has no glove, but no plausible fist either. 98% of UK residents have never heard of Stern. Lets keep it that way.

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 1:54 pm

James Delingpole: THE PUBLIC IS NOW SO SCEPTICAL ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=6673

Paul in Sweden
November 19, 2010 1:56 pm

The Stern “Boycott USA” rant could piss off various groups in the USA enough to independently boycott UK products. I can imagine various USA radio shock jocks calling for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year’s holiday boycotts of UK beer, etc just to send a message back to Lord Stern.

John Whitman
November 19, 2010 2:03 pm

Man o man. Stern just energized the Tea Party big time. I don’t think American liberals needed that at this time. What a blunder by Stern. Shot the whole US envirnmental movement and their liberal supporters in the foot.
John

Spence_UK
November 19, 2010 2:07 pm

Ugh. I suspect LSE wins government contracts. To think my taxes probably contribute to enabling this moron spout his bile. Makes me want to puke.
I wish I could choose to boycott Stern from getting another penny of my taxes. Only I just remembered, I don’t get that choice.

David, UK
November 19, 2010 2:10 pm

@ Smokey (November 19, 2010 at 1:01 pm):
Thank you for a very insightful comment, I enjoyed reading it very much.

Editor
November 19, 2010 2:11 pm

STEPHEN PARKERuk says: “Who would you want on your side when the chips are down. the french, indians Chinese, germans italians, and all south americans? Or the english, australians, new zealanders and canadians. It pays to know who your friends really are
Hold on a minute. The UK didn’t just ban exports from Australia in 1973. They banned exports from New Zealand and Canada too. So it’s the French, Indians, Chinese, Germans, Italians, all South Americans, Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians (and a fair bit of Africa) versus the English. There! that levels it up a bit.

Jeremy
November 19, 2010 2:21 pm

I am somewhat tired of seeing the Brits on this board apologize for this unelected gasbag or any other politician over there. It might be nicer to watch you take real action.
I think you Brits feel a sense of shame where you should really simply divorce yourself from the arrogant power seekers. Americans (forgive the broad brush) tend more to look at politicians with complete disdain, even those we choose to vote for. As a result, I would never apologize for the behavior of the power/fame seekers in Washington any more than I would do so for the nearly identical people of “Jersey Shore”. I wouldn’t apologize because I know they’re at least partially insane, only the insane want fame and/or power over others. In short, I think you guys should stop calling your politicians “lords”… there’s too much implied respect in the title.

Dr. Dave
November 19, 2010 2:22 pm

Sounds like a great idea. First let’s remove all US military forces and aid for Europe. Then we’ll stop selling those pesky, filthy CPUs manufactured by Intel and AMD. Of course we’ll have to stop buying drugs produced by British concerns and stop selling the ones made in the USA. That ought to teach us a lesson!

November 19, 2010 2:23 pm

Lord Stern started out as plain ole Nicholas Stern, became a civil servant and after living at the taxpayers’ expense for a fair while was rewarded with a knighthood, Sir Nicholas Stern (a form of ‘family credit’ perhaps?). Then PM Brown (Gordy) needed a some stooge to tell everyone how dreadful AGW was and why we should be taxed to save the world. He asked a whole series of economists, but as they were told what answer they had to give, to their credit they turned the task down. Step up our hero Sir Nick! “Delighted to oblige PM. What about a peerage PM?” “Fine” says Gordy. “Arise Lord Stern!” says HM QE, “Didn’t I do this to you not long ago? – Oh Yes, that was a knighthood.” …. sigh.

Socratease
November 19, 2010 2:24 pm

Great idea! Let’s start with Intel microprocessors, Microsoft software, all Apple products, and any drugs produced by American companies, especially any newly-developed ones.

Michael
November 19, 2010 2:27 pm

“Yeah, and we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for those pesky bloggers.”
Whose quote was that?

Antonia
November 19, 2010 2:29 pm

I’ve long suspected that most economists are cretins pretending their models are scientific. Lord Stern proves it.

latitude
November 19, 2010 2:29 pm

“The United States will be banned from selling goods”
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Is foreign aid considered a “goods”?
Paying the bill for the UN, is that a “goods”?
How about bail out money for foreign countries and
foreign banks?
How about military protection? is that a “goods”?
I say fine, let’s cut them off………

1DandyTroll
November 19, 2010 2:32 pm

@Smokey
Very nice easy explanation, and I would like to add what I think is the biggest problem in the psychology department with today’s hobnob hippies and that is they substitute riches in money, fortunes, and/or fame for being more likable which they in turn substitute for being right.
Most people today have met the odd job that throw around money like crazy, seemingly for no good reason but for thinking it is the right thing to do to be liked and most likely therefor be right. Crazy climatic–suffering from low self-esteem– professors and researchers aren’t any different, they just go above and beyond and over board if they think it will render them some more friends and fans or what ever that think they are totally right. (Behavior wise it kind of funny that it is mostly young people who believe that “older” people don’t behave and act as “young” people. Personally I believe this is why the crazy greenie hippie cultist always gets such a large crowd of “dumb ass” young people.)

tallbloke
November 19, 2010 2:33 pm

James Sexton says:
November 19, 2010 at 12:50 pm
tallbloke says:
November 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm
What is this? the weekly ten minute hate?
=======================================================
Well, you know its just vent. Some of us are given to a knee jerk reaction from time to time, but, we’re tied to our cousins across the pond in more ways than just trade. Britannia and her offspring will always be tied to each other.

Good to hear. I greatly value my U.S. cousins clarity and clear speaking on issues of freedom. We ordinary Brits appreciate the backup you ordinary Yanks have given freely in the past, whatever posturing nonsense our spurious leaders have said.
If I could get into the upper house debating chamber and open a window, I’d cheerfully toss Lord Stern through it into the river Thames.

November 19, 2010 2:33 pm

John Whitman says:
November 19, 2010 at 1:49 pm
British blackmail in the morning, ahhh how rejuvenating with the morning coffee.
The redcoats are coming, again . . . . didn’t they learn the first time?
John
Careful now, we Canucks might just stand with the British you know (Should we change governments during an election where we suffer a complete loss of sanity). Within 24 hours of a threat being detected we can put a fully armed Argus aircraft into the air — with a rifleman at every portal. Beware!
Now pardon me while I finish rolling on the floor laughing at this threat from the Brits.

beesaman
November 19, 2010 2:37 pm

Quite disappointed at the rather unpleasant Brit bashing (and Euro sometimes too) it does tend to show a certain nationality in a poor light. Would it not be a better idea to target the daft ideas of Stern and not his accidental location of birth?
[Good suggestion. ~dbs, mod.]

Pointman
November 19, 2010 2:39 pm

Today’s installment of the Cancun Week special is now available at
http://ourmaninsichuan.wordpress.com/
It is the third translation of selected portions of the Chinese book “Low Carbon Plot” and deals with the true national self-interest behind climate politics and finance.
Pointman

Al Gored
November 19, 2010 2:42 pm

John Whitman says:
November 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm
“Man o man. Stern just energized the Tea Party big time. I don’t think American liberals needed that at this time. What a blunder by Stern. Shot the whole US envirnmental movement and their liberal supporters in the foot.”
Indeed. This is perfect!
Heck of a job Sternie.

des332
November 19, 2010 2:43 pm

I wonder if he would rather we spent our money in china after all he is a member of the China Investment Corporation which has invested in GCL-Poly a supplier to the solar industry.
Also the AES coroperation, which has a diverse portfolio of thermal and renewable fuel sources, we provide affordable and sustainable energy in 29 countries. Our workforce of 27,000 people is committed to operational excellence and meeting the world’s changing power need
in fact they seem to be big into the energy market which if its green or “dirty” is getting more expensive by the day.
Infact I think Stern will become very rich from the green religion if he has his way!

3x2
November 19, 2010 2:46 pm

A Carbon scammer suggesting that carbon trading should be mandatory. Colour me shocked.
I can see the headlines now ..”Carbon scammer loses underpants as Mexican talks fail”.
Even with the current state of the US economy, may I suggest that it should be a cold day in hell before you start taking economic advice or threats from the Domino States of Europe.

Curiousgeorge
November 19, 2010 2:49 pm

tallbloke says:
November 19, 2010 at 2:33 pm
James Sexton says:
November 19, 2010 at 12:50 pm
tallbloke says:
November 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm
What is this? the weekly ten minute hate?
=======================================================
Well, you know its just vent. Some of us are given to a knee jerk reaction from time to time, but, we’re tied to our cousins across the pond in more ways than just trade. Britannia and her offspring will always be tied to each other.
==================================================
Although my direct ancestors came to the New World in 1632 from England, I feel no loyalty to the Crown or any of the so-called “Nobles”. In fact, several of my ancestors put holes in their armies for good reason. There was a little thing called the American Revolution, you know.

40 Shades of Gree n
November 19, 2010 2:52 pm

Is Stern the guy who predicted that the population of humans will be reduced to a few breeding pairs in the Antarctic. It this is the case, then US exports won’t be an issue as the breeding pairs will have no need for products from a country that does not exist.

Jimbo
November 19, 2010 2:56 pm

Lord Stern on board!
Lord Stern and carbon dioxide reduction links
Money usually explains the desperation.

Al Gored
November 19, 2010 3:01 pm

Kate says:
November 19, 2010 at 1:33 pm
“Robinson says: Is Stern an economist?
No, he is not an economist, a scientist, or even an environmentalist. He is actually an investment banker who dreamed up the whole scheme to regulate carbon dioxide emissions worldwide.”
According to this article he’s “the world’s leading climate change economist.”
That more or less explains everything, doesn’t it?
I wonder who the world’s leading unicorn ranching economist is?

Robert of Ottawa
November 19, 2010 3:04 pm

Lordy-Gawdy Stern: All your trades are belong to us.
Hmmm, when was the last time an English aristo told the Americans to stuff it?

DesertYote
November 19, 2010 3:05 pm

Al Gored
November 19, 2010 at 3:01 pm
I wonder who the world’s leading unicorn ranching economist is?
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That would be Gregg Gutfeld.

Peter Miller
November 19, 2010 3:07 pm

I also have some Stern-like ideas.
The British parliament repeals the North America Act, so America is once again a colony.
Then the Brits send a gunboat to enforce re-colonisation.
Sounds like a Stern proposal to me.

Jimbo
November 19, 2010 3:11 pm

Robert Morris says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:14 am
Why is it that so many clever men give every indication of being complete idiots?

Money, power and prestige.
References:
Al Bore, Mickey Mouse Mann, James Hotsun, Paul delete Jones.

November 19, 2010 3:12 pm

Al Gored,
They did the same thing with my posts, snipping the peer reviewed papers and charts that I provided.
It’s always the same with the alarmist blogs. They never play fair; they censor, snip and delete, and in this case it’s a blog run by an 18-year old indoctrinated know-it-all.
Best to give them no more traffic. If they want a debate they can come here, where we don’t put up with those shenanigans. Everyone gets to say their piece without a meddling teenager interfering.

Dave Springer
November 19, 2010 3:13 pm

[snip – over the top]

Doug
November 19, 2010 3:17 pm

Here is another ‘Berk’ – a mate of Stern no doubt.
Or is it all part of a ‘cunning plan’ m’lord’ . Remove the sovreignty create vassel states force them to boycott US goods—–. With a bit of luck the whole pack of cards will come tumbling down.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/8146842/IMF-chief-Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-urges-leaders-to-cede-more-sovereignty-to-EU.html

3x2
November 19, 2010 3:27 pm

R. de Haan says: November 19, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Lord Stern Country, wants the same for the USA?
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/212160/Winter-deaths-to-soar-as-5-million-homes-struggle-to-pay-fuel-bills

It’s worse than you thought
Also interesting that the UK “excess winter death” figures are still not yet out for last winter. Just an oversight I’m sure.
should be Berk, an abbreviation of the Cockney Rhyming Slang expression ‘Berkshire Hunt’. Very apt Doug, very apt, I agree.
Him being something of a Merchant Banker too.

JEM
November 19, 2010 3:30 pm

DesertYote – ‘Brother Jonathan’ was a common 19th-century British nickname for the US, commonly found in the literature and press of the era.

UK John
November 19, 2010 3:31 pm

Lord Stern can see into the future and firmly believes in AGW.
Unfortunately as one of the world’s leading economists he did not predict the worldwide financial collapse and recession, and if he was someone we could believe in, I just thought he might have mentioned it.
Credibility?

beesaman
November 19, 2010 3:32 pm

Sorry but posts like Dave Springer’s should have no place on a site like this. Not funny, not necessary and deeply hurtful to Brits who lost family in WW2.
REPLY: I’ve been away from moderating all day, and while his comment was directed at Stern, it was a bit over the top since it can be construed broadly, and was 100% rant, so I’ve snipped it – Anthony

Roger
November 19, 2010 3:33 pm

This is fine with me as long as they also boycott all forms of U.S. aid , including cash, loans, gifts , subsidies and free goods we provide to many of these countries

November 19, 2010 3:37 pm

40 shades of green comment:
re breeding pairs in Antarctica
No, that that was Prof Sir David King ex-chief government scientist.

MARK H
November 19, 2010 3:39 pm

What a Nutcase! Watts up with that,every country has them even us here in the UK.

Dave Springer
November 19, 2010 3:47 pm

Paul in Sweden says:
November 19, 2010 at 1:56 pm
“The Stern “Boycott USA” rant could piss off various groups in the USA enough to independently boycott UK products. I can imagine various USA radio shock jocks calling for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year’s holiday boycotts of UK beer, etc just to send a message back to Lord Stern.”
I just went and looked at US imports from UK and couldn’t find anything to boycott. I’d have to be a customer first and I ain’t. Just don’t ask me to boycott Asia or Central/South America as I buy so many things from those continents I would hardly know where to start.

George Lawson
November 19, 2010 3:48 pm

I feel embarrassed to be called British when I hear outrageously stupid comments like this from a so called Brit who should know better. Who was responsible for giving this man a peerage? He is undeserving of the title and ought to have it removed.

nigel jones
November 19, 2010 3:52 pm

The likes of Stern have invested so much in the CO2 scare, and encouraged others to waste our money on the nonsense. Now they see the bottom falling out of it and themselves reviled as mountebanks.
No wonder he’s desperate, even so this is laughable.
It’s dead Nick, it’s deceased, it’s an ex-scare.

Gail Combs
November 19, 2010 3:54 pm

I agree the USA should stop all trade:
First EXPORT all non-Americans immigrants – ALL. (Canadians and Latinos are Americans)
Second Toss the Federal Reserve Traitors out and confiscate all gold/gold certificates that FDR took from the US citizens so it is about time we took it back. Cancel any and all US citizens obligations to pay for the Federal reserves debt. Also withdraw from the UN and World Bank, Stop ALL Foreign Aid and withdraw ALL US troops world wide.
Third close the borders to ALL food Import/Export:
“…The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s weekly export figures released this morning show a 49 percent increase in corn exports from the previous week and a 35 percent increase from the previous monthly average.
Prime corn customers were Mexico, Japan, South Korea and Egypt. International corn markets have tightened in recent weeks because of drought-related shortages of export corn from Russia and the Ukraine, both of which have embargoed exports because of short crops.
Soybean exports were up 17 percent last week from the previous week on continued strong buying by China.
For the export year, U.S. corn exports are up 24 percent, according to the USDA. Soybean exports are up 5 percent from last year’s record totals.
Strong export demand is a factor in the 60 percent rise in the price of corn and 33 percent rise in soybeans since early June…..”
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/10/15/soybeans-hit-12-overnight/
“The U.S. share of world wheat exports has fluctuated from a high of 50 percent in 1973/74 to 30-40 percent in 1982/83-95/96, and between 20-30 percent thereafter…. Over the last decade, U.S. wheat exports have exceeded 30 million metric tons only twice. They peaked in 2007/08, when they reached 34 million metric tons, comprising 30 percent of world wheat exports…..” http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/wheat/trade.htm
U.S. soybean farmers already have one reason to give thanks this fall — 2008 exports of U.S. soy have set another all-time record. This year over 1.5 billion bushels of soy were exported from the United States….. http://southeastfarmpress.com/markets/us-soybean-exports-set-another-record
“Corn is by far the largest component of global coarse-grain trade, accounting for about three-quarters of total volume in recent years. (Coarse grains make up a common trade category that includes corn, sorghum, barley, oats, and rye.)
…The U.S. share of world corn exports averaged 60 percent during 2003/04-2007/08 (the international trade year is October-September. U.S. corn exports soared in the 1970s from 13 million metric tons at the start of the decade to a record 62 million in 1979/80….The United States experienced record demand and corn production during 2007/08 that pushed U.S corn exports to 61 million metric tons.”
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/corn/trade.htm
Given that, thanks to the idiotic government policies, the UK is a major food importer I think Mr. Stern should go on a two month fast to rethink his statement.
From a UK farming site:
SLEEPWALK TO STARVATION
“With hindsight, it was the late 1990’s and the first decade of the 21st Century when farming went into irreversible decline as it lurched and staggered like a perpetual drunkard from crisis to disaster…” http://warmwell.com/redpollpredict.html
“”I can’t wait to get to Canada,” Theresa said. “It’s wide and open and regulation-free.”You can trade there without all the interference and form-filling that happens here”
…That so many farmers are leaving farming – and even the country – in droves is entirely due to government policies in recent years. It is a tragedy for the country and for the countryside and is based on nothing more than political arrogance, ignorance and a refusal to listen. The spin against farmers in recent months has added to the heartbreak. But the country will be in a dire state when the penny finally drops that cheap food imports do not stay cheap for long once the country can no longer support itself. “

http://www.warmwell.com/warm1jul102.html

ShrNfr
November 19, 2010 3:58 pm

Really a shame about Robert Jeremy Grantham. He is a halfway decent person. I have known him professionally for 15 years or so. His problem is that he has no scientific education in the least. A reasonable macro-economist and economic historian, but that is the end of his talent set. Reasonable to listen to on the topics of the economy and the stock market, but beyond that, sorry, RJG, you do not cut the mustard. When I say bar to you, the only thing that would come to mind is something that serves drinks, not 1.013 bars which is sea level pressure in the standard atmosphere.
It’s always a lot easier to be a screaming moron about these topics when you have made your bucks. The performance of his funds are available at http://www.gmo.com for those that are open to folks other than “qualified investors”.

woodNfish
November 19, 2010 3:59 pm

John Peter says: November 19, 2010 at 11:55 am:
USA may be the largest importer, but only No. 3 as exporter after China and Germany.
You are correct John. Thank you for the correction. My information was older than 2009.

Cole Burner
November 19, 2010 4:02 pm

Asked what type of US products could face restrictions, Lord Stern said: “Aircraft, clearly, some cars, machine tools — it’s not simply what’s in the capital good, it’s what kind of processes the capital good is facilitating
I give up, does this clown actually think the singular of “goods”, as in commodities, is “good?” There would appear to be a collection of ridiculous words these cranks are duty bound to use.

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 4:19 pm

Lord Stern threatens to kicks the US Trade out of Europe and the G20.
Obama arranges for a missile shield to protect Europe together with the Russians.
Do you need more proof that our “leaders” are crazy or not?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11711042

James Sexton
November 19, 2010 4:20 pm

Curiousgeorge says:
November 19, 2010 at 2:49 pm
tallbloke says:
November 19, 2010 at 2:33 pm
James Sexton says:
November 19, 2010 at 12:50 pm
tallbloke says:
November 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm
What is this? the weekly ten minute hate?
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Well, you know its just vent. Some of us are given to a knee jerk reaction from time to time, but, we’re tied to our cousins across the pond in more ways than just trade. Britannia and her offspring will always be tied to each other.
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Although my direct ancestors came to the New World in 1632 from England, I feel no loyalty to the Crown or any of the so-called “Nobles”. In fact, several of my ancestors put holes in their armies for good reason. There was a little thing called the American Revolution, you know.
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Yes, it isn’t loyalty to Crown or Nobles of which I spoke. Nor do I believe Stern is representative of the people of G.B. But the loyalty which you rightly perceived is the loyalty of a common bond with the common peoples of the various nations, forged by the steel of Bertha guns and Panzers, fired by a Rising Sun. Our dogged tenacity to thwart a Maxist bear, and today, our fight against the insidious totalitarian attempts to control our energy and freedoms.
The mouthing and hand waving of a buffoon shouldn’t be an impetus for anger towards our present band of brothers. The American Revolution and the war of 1812 was, of course, quit necessary and appropriate in order for us to pursue our own destiny and build a society unlike any other. That history should never be forgotten.
Let’s not forget, too, we have our own share of village idiots. Stern doesn’t speak for G.B. anymore than Hansen or Mann speaks for the U.S.

North of 43 and south of 44
November 19, 2010 4:20 pm

Would one of you fine folks over the other side of the pond show his lordship back to his nursing home.

Gail Combs
November 19, 2010 4:21 pm

Peter Miller says:
November 19, 2010 at 3:07 pm
“I also have some Stern-like ideas.
The British parliament repeals the North America Act, so America is once again a colony.
Then the Brits send a gunboat to enforce re-colonisation….”

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You are about one hundred years too late. The Brits (Bank of England) sent Paul Warburg to confiscate all of the wealth from the USA and has done a bang-up job of it.
Congressman McFadden: Remarks in Congress, 1934
“….The statement that it is necessary for the people to give their gold- the only real money- to the banks in order to protect the currency, is a statement of calculated dishonesty!
“By his unlawful usurpation of power on the night of March 5, 1933, and by his proclamation, which in my opinion was in violation of the Constitution of the United States, Roosevelt divorced the currency of the United States from gold, and the United States currency is no longer protected by gold. It is therefore sheer dishonesty to say that the people’s gold is needed to protect the currency.
“Roosevelt ordered the people to give their gold to private interests- that is, to banks, and he took control of the banks so that all the gold and gold values in them, or given into them, might be handed over to the predatory International Bankers who own and control the Fed.
“Roosevelt cast his lot with the usurers. “He agreed to save the corrupt and dishonest at the expense of the people of the United States.
“He took advantage of the people’s confusion and weariness and spread the dragnet over the United States to capture everything of value that was left in it. He made a great haul for the International Bankers.
“The Prime Minister of England came here for money! He came here to collect cash.
“He came here with Fed Currency and other claims against the Fed which England had bought up in all parts of the world. And he has presented them for redemption in gold.

“Mr. Chairman, I am in favor of compelling the Fed to pay their own debts. I see no reason why the general public should be forced to pay the gambling debts of the International Bankers…..” http://hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html

Graham Dick
November 19, 2010 4:25 pm

“Full story (subscription required)”
Are they kidding?

James Sexton
November 19, 2010 4:29 pm

DesertYote says:
November 19, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Al Gored
November 19, 2010 at 3:01 pm
I wonder who the world’s leading unicorn ranching economist is?
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That would be Gregg Gutfeld.
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That guy is a riot! “And if you disagree with me, you’re a (fill in the blank)phobe!

AusieDan
November 19, 2010 4:30 pm

Come on now folks.
Relax.
That’s just a joke in poor taste.
Just a joke.

James Sexton
November 19, 2010 4:31 pm

Grrr, Marxist not Maxist

Robinson
November 19, 2010 4:32 pm

I just went and looked at US imports from UK and couldn’t find anything to boycott.

My company sells a lot to the US. Ironically mostly technologies that measure temperatures (infrared)!

RichieP
November 19, 2010 4:44 pm

This is absolutely nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with the worldwide attempt by a political and financial clique, of all races and nations, to rip the rest of the world off through ‘the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life’ , as Prof. Lewis said. The cabal of crimatologists is international. I might just as well regard all you Yanks as just the same as Mann, Romm, Hansen etc.
Let’s get real, we all have to see past that rubbish and make sure we win this struggle against the agw cult. Any RC troll reading this post and its comments will be sniggering at how easily the sceptics are diverted from the real issue and squabble over irrelevant trivia. UK, US, Oz, NZ, Canada, Europe, etc., we’re all trying to find ways to stop these cynical tricksters. Can we stop slagging each other off please? Oh, and I have no intention of apologising for Stern, I despise these people, they don’t represent me.

nigel jones
November 19, 2010 4:46 pm

North of 43 and south of 44 says: November 19, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Would one of you fine folks over the other side of the pond show his lordship back to his nursing home.
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Unfortunately, with the Climate Change Act being passed with next to no dissent, and other nonsense such as the Large Plant Directive from the EU being enforced, Stern is not alone in his lunacy. Anyway, he is in a nursing home – we call it the House of Lords.
You can see the same contagious insanity with your crowd, but they seem to have more natural resistance and there are signs that the epidemic has peaked.

JPeden
November 19, 2010 4:55 pm

The United States will be banned from selling goods to many countries if it continues to shirk its promise to cut greenhouse gas emissions, according to the world’s leading climate change economist.
The “world’s leading climate change economist” sounds about as rational as the “world’s leading climate change scientists”. Were they to succeed, there either wouldn’t be any “goods” to sell, or else no one would be able to buy them anyway.

harrywr2
November 19, 2010 4:59 pm

Peter Miller says:
November 19, 2010 at 3:07 pm
“Then the Brits send a gunboat to enforce re-colonisation.”
You’ve obviously not been following the UK MOD funding debacle.
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/south-west/41418-/
“Companies related to the defence sector in the South West are being urged to expand into the green energy sector following the government’s decision to cut the Ministry of Defence’s budget by 8 per cent over the next four years.”
I don’t think the British Government will be in a position to send anything but a broken down windmill.

John from CA
November 19, 2010 5:03 pm

Complete nonsense from Lord Stern but if they do it would be the best thing for the US in the long run. We’ll simply put a trade embargo on their products and balance our budget for a change.

RichieP
November 19, 2010 5:05 pm

Someone mentioned this earlier. Hilarious and very on the button today.

James Sexton
November 19, 2010 5:07 pm

Speaking of Gutfield,
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/red-eye/index.html#/v/4422811/study-links-secondhand-smoke-to-hearing-loss/?playlist_id=161695
GW even mentioned. Great watch! They understand correlation and causation.

Robinson
November 19, 2010 5:27 pm

This is absolutely nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with the worldwide attempt by a political and financial clique, of all races and nations, to rip the rest of the world

Isn’t Stern a Club of Rome member?

R. de Haan
November 19, 2010 5:34 pm

According to the following article Lord Stern doesn’t have to worry about America because Obama won’t run for President a second time. He is done …
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/30140

JohnM
November 19, 2010 5:41 pm

@Roger Longstaff
Sorry, Stern and Brown didn’t get along well.
They each thought the other was an idiot.
Worryingly, they were both right.
And if you want insanity about the UK armed forces, try asking why they would buy a military transport that is inferior in every way to the US offering, and many times the price.
You may also consider that there are two aircraft carriers under construction, and no aircraft to fly from them, and no money to buy any when they are finally built: And worse, no catapults have been included in the design so anything other than VSTOL will not be able to fly fromm them, and the UK VSTOL (Harrier) is being pensioned-off.
Insanity is not just the sport of economists.

richcar 1225
November 19, 2010 6:00 pm

I love the irony. Britain’s only true gains in cutting co2 emissions have come from converting their energy source from coal to natural gas and then outsourcing their manufacturing to India and China where they primarily use coal. Even the Guardian now recognises that if emissions are calculated from imports there has been no reduction in emissions.

November 19, 2010 6:16 pm

Enneagram November 19, 2010 at 10:09 am says:
BTW, it seems that in their effort for making Green airplanes they have exaggerated and made them from a wafered material: Aluminum-Carbon Fiber-Aluminum, in this order, which is : Conductor-dielectric-conductor …

I see someone beat me to it, nonetheless, pls take note of where Carbon is on the Periodic Table of the Elements re: conductive characteristics …
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Methow Ken
November 19, 2010 6:21 pm

Hmmm….: In any potential ”trade war” between a few countries in western Europe and the U.S., Canada, China, India, Russia, et. al.: Who do y’all think is gonna come out on the short end of the stick ?? Bet I know the answer. . . .

November 19, 2010 6:22 pm

From another of Gail’s tall-tales:
You are about one hundred years too late. The Brits (Bank of England) sent Paul Warburg to confiscate all of the wealth from the USA and has …

Oh brother more tales from ‘the far side’ … re: ‘confiscation’, please explain Michael Dell, Bill Gates, The “Oracle of Omaha” (Buffet) ?
.

barbarausa
November 19, 2010 6:32 pm

UK commenters, please don’t apologize.
After all, we have Gore, don’t we? And others!
I was discussing this with my daughter, and she mentioned the following:

I have to say she may be on to something, as there certainly may be some car doors slamming in the streets of Brentford tonight! 😀

DesertYote
November 19, 2010 7:03 pm

JEM
November 19, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Cool, Thanks for the information. The author of the book I was referring to, Crawford Kilian, uses a lot of historic references in his writing.

Michael
November 19, 2010 7:47 pm

Michaelangelo was allowed to touch his own art to see if it was dry.
I think you will find Michaelangelo’s fingerprints on the art he created.
Look for it and you will find those prints.

Michael
November 19, 2010 8:02 pm

Still, to this day, they will deny someone like Jessee Ventura from filming at JFK’s grave. Now Whatts that all about?

Michael
November 19, 2010 8:25 pm

Now there’s art, and then there’s blog smart.

November 19, 2010 8:37 pm

More intimidation to try to make it happen. Maybe Ben Santer can punch everyone out too.

Evan Jones
Editor
November 19, 2010 8:44 pm

We’re shakin’ in our boots.

curly
November 19, 2010 8:57 pm

Boycott US aircraft? some automobiles? machine tools? in 2020? This weasel should put down his martini or sherry and look around a little. Ha! Mulally’s Boeing sold out manufacturing to China and the rest of the world years ago (check out his legacy with a web search of the Boeing 787/Dream(nightmare)liner. China is now in the airliner business, competing w/Boeing and Airbus, but China realizes (and protects) a strategic (national) business when it sees one. Mulally’s next project is major “Chinafication” (Ford Motor internal code name). Not that Mulally’s done it all by himself, but he seems to be the poster boy for selling out USA assets as fast as possible. Plenty of “help” from US “free”-trade “policy”. Time to short Ford stock if you’re foolish enough to own it. Newly issued GM stock at ~$34/share, while the bailout break-even price is ~$133/share for “the US government” to break even. And US machine tools? Maybe he’s thinking of German cars and machine tools. By 2020, the US will be a 3rd rate player in airliners and cars. Have been a minor player in machine tools for a while. WTF is this clown?

Cassandra King
November 19, 2010 9:00 pm

The British government and political ruling elite/class as a whole are in the grip of a kind of insanity.
A madness hangs in the air around them leading them to make insane choices far removed from reality or common sense based value judgements. National defence priorities are ignored while money is lavished on ridiculous white elephant vanity projects, money that could be used for defence equipment purchase from our closet ally the USA is given away in aid to our direct and would be enemies and competitors.
National UK government now appears to be less organized than a chimps tea party and as surreal as a mad hatters tea party, how ironic then that our only saviour could well be an American tea party!
To our Wonderful American brothers and sisters I say, please remember that our ruling class do not represent us, the British people are in the grip of a small minority of fools and idiots who claim to represent us but in reality only represent themselves and their eurotrash masters. There are those in the UK who wish to split us from our best friends and weld us to a foreign and hostile empire wannabe in the form of the budding EUSSR.
There would be no problem if only a couple of ‘daisy cutter MOABs’ could accidentally find their way onto Brussels and Westminster somehow, ah well maybe plan B?

Christopher
November 19, 2010 9:06 pm

Dont worry “Lord”. I am sure the USA wont use their massive military to open up your markets should you decide to be foolish.
OPEC tried to bully the USA back in the day. And now all but 1 opec member has been bought out with cash or bombed to have their government replaced or backtrack on their aggressive nature. Only 1 actively anti-USA nation in OPEC remains, and the bombs will be falling on that nation within the next decade if not sooner. They have already been isolated by the USA and her allies.
Do you really want to try to force a green version of OPEC? Why leave your nations open to assault by the USA? And they will assault you if you try to undermine them. I know Europe actively yearns for a fall of the USA, but remember, the vacuum to come from that will not be filled from a state in Europe. They will not be a western power, and they wont be friendly to Europe. Enjoy your friendship with a superpower while you still can instead of insulting her. If America falls, western civilization falls.

November 19, 2010 9:09 pm

evanmjones says:
November 19, 2010 at 8:44 pm
We’re shakin’ in our boots.
Well, it is pretty cold.

curly
November 19, 2010 9:09 pm

Cassandra King wrote:
“There would be no problem if only a couple of ‘daisy cutter MOABs’ could accidentally find their way onto Brussels and Westminster somehow, ah well maybe plan B?”
Cassandra, I think I like your line of thought. Or perhaps neutron bombs? Accidentally of course. Though there might be some ironic justice if the missile guidance systems sold to the Chinese by Loral’s Bernie Schwartz w/Bubba Clinton’s approval, managed to misguide their way to Brussels, Westminster and Bernie’s SoCal home. There is some nice architecture in Brussels and Westminster, after all.

KenB
November 19, 2010 9:56 pm

We had this idiot appear recently in Australia to push his political economic agenda, spiced with liberal distortions about climate. He was here to join with Ross Garnault his mini me economist with the same rant and author of the Garnault Report. Part of the world wide push by economists to spread their influence and serve the shadowy interest that back them.
Boy this present challenge will be a real test of the US President’s “Metal” to either stand up or bow down as some of you seem to think he will. I guess he is in a somewhat unusual position, facing open threats from STERN to isolate the US economy and then having George Soros standing in the shadows behind him and making dark threats to pull the financial plug on him if he doesn’t produce the results as they pull his strings.
Perhaps he just might prove to have a bit of steel in his backbone and tell them all to go jump – your President, your economy to sell down the river. I hope he stands up because we had a Prime minister (Paul Keating) that bowed down and kissed the ground of Indonesia to sell himself in their support and he didn’t last long after that. strange the media only showed that TV shot once, but that was enough for most thinking Australians.

John F. Hultquist
November 19, 2010 10:20 pm

Dave Springer says: at 3:47 pm I just went and looked at US imports from UK and couldn’t find anything to boycott.
For good or bad, I believe Scotland is still part of the UK and one needs to be careful about who and what one is boycotting.
http://www.scotlandwhisky.com/distilleries/

James Sexton
November 19, 2010 10:42 pm

_Jim says:
November 19, 2010 at 6:22 pm
From another of Gail’s tall-tales:
You are about one hundred years too late. The Brits (Bank of England) sent Paul Warburg to confiscate all of the wealth from the USA and has …
Oh brother more tales from ‘the far side’ … re: ‘confiscation’, please explain Michael Dell, Bill Gates, The “Oracle of Omaha” (Buffet) ?
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Jim, I hate to be your wet blanket, but you’re confusing tangible value with imagined or inferred wealth. The people you mentioned, have relatively very little tangible value. Most of their wealth is tied to the value of the market shares of their respective companies. Which, when thought of in terms of U.S. dollars, is backed by the good faith and credit of the U.S. treasury. There is no tangible value. Further, their wealth is only as much as the viability of their respective companies. In other words, if the market deems Dell no longer viable, then Mike Dells worth goes to almost nothing, same with MS/Gates and BH/Buffet. Why? With the exception of Dell they produce no tangible goods that hold value, and Dell’s product, the actual value of a PC is negligible. I’m not saying these companies don’t produce worthy products, although Buffet’s probably don’t, I’m saying in the end of the day, if one was to confiscate all the assets of each company, they’d end up with very little. Software, pc cases and maybe a decent server or two, and a lot of paper. No intrinsic value. Gold can easily be converted to goods with intrinsic value.
I probably did a poor job, but I tried to highlight the difference between a inferred wealth and intrinsic value. I hoped that helped.

Alan Wilkinson
November 19, 2010 10:51 pm

Stern is the clown who invented a 1.5-2% discount rate in order to “prove” climate intervention is economically justified. Now he has to use guns to force people to lend him money at that rate. What a fool.

Gary pate
November 19, 2010 10:56 pm

What’s with these economists that don’t understand basic economics?

M2Cents
November 19, 2010 10:56 pm

The man is a brilliant. Let’s start a trade war, and solve the AGW problem by tanking the global economy.

Tim
November 19, 2010 11:01 pm

Ominous signs that the UN is begining to govern the world and bypass anything that’s still left of the sovereignty of individual nations.

November 19, 2010 11:07 pm

Where is the mainstream journalist – just one – who will raise his or her pen in righteous indignation and spell out what is obvious to everybody with half a faculty? That this man is mad. Has been driven mad by all of you. All of you fawning journalists for fawning over his nonsense. Driven mad by the empty salutations of UN bodies, of politicans and by the enoblement of the previous government.

You don’t suppose it’s a coincidence that the mainstream media are being ignored by ever-greater numbers over here in the U.S. of A. ? Not sure if the same phenomenon is happening on the U.K. side of the pond.
The blogosphere (I hate that word) is taking over, the MSM are dying, at least in part because they don’t call these buffoons to task.

STEPHEN PARKERuk
November 19, 2010 11:36 pm

well, we have lord stern, and you have al gore, i reckon that makes us even. I live in a town called Rickmansworth, where william penn was married, and lived in basing house in the town, and at penn farm, in chorleywood, both still standing, penn farm a magnificent old building, a half mile from my house. Some of us had to stay!. Lord Stern has never paid a bill in his life, never been hungry or cold, and yet , prescribes for us all.
Are there any genuine politicians now? Answers on the back of a postage stamp please

Erik
November 20, 2010 12:28 am

Lord Stern probably has no idea what taxes are. Considering most industrial processes (especially in the UK and EU) he really has nothing to back himself on.

peterhodges
November 20, 2010 12:30 am

_Jim says:
November 19, 2010 at 6:22 pm
From another of Gail’s tall-tales:

no tall tales jim
there really was a paul warburg
there really is a federal reserve
they really did confiscate all the gold
we really do have debt-money
several people have pointed out that is the single most important issue we face. and the same thieves who benefit from our debt-money system are simply trying to steal even more of our work through carbon tax and trade
these are are all just scams to take from those who work and give to those who don’t – the owning class

November 20, 2010 12:30 am

This is such a clear proof of Stern’s disconnect from reality. Trade is being done because it is beneficial for both sides. The idea that the U.K. would “punish” the U.S. by banning any trade is completely preposterous. Chances are that it would be much more devastating for the U.K.
The U.S. takes 14% of the U.K. exports and sends 9% of the U.K. imports. 😉 In total, it’s close to $100 billion a year. Is Mr Stern going to stand in the ports and physically prevent ships with $100 billion to move by another meter? Does he expect the trade partners to say that he is right? I can’t believe that someone like that isn’t yet confined between the walls of a psychiatric asylum.

Spector
November 20, 2010 12:53 am

RE: R. de Haan: (November 19, 2010 at 9:32 am)
“Lord Stern must be afraid that Great Britain’s Green suicide program will bankrupt the country before the US.”
From this video, it sounds like the U.K could even go bankrupt even before the State of California. I do not know how this might come to pass — perhaps an act of Parliament ‘refudiating’ the national debt. I think the implosive economic effects of either event would far exceed the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy. Perhaps no nation os state should be allowed to go more than something like five times its gross national annual product in debt.
I have noted that this country is increasingly being blamed for all the problems in the world and a worldwide boycott of the USA would be very serious. I fear, however, that a counter boycott of the UK might bring on the first major killing famine of the modern era there.

Cold Englishman
November 20, 2010 1:20 am

Lord Stern might like to trot along to the “City”, and into St Paul’s Cathedral. At the East end is an apse. This end was damaged in WWII and when rebuilt, it was consecrated as the American Memorial Chapel.
This was done for a reason. Thousands of those reasons lie in the American cemetery in Cambridge, and many thousands more across Europe.
Those reasons, gave Stern the right and freedom to be a “plonker”.
Ignore him, that is what they hate most.

STEPHEN PARKERuk
November 20, 2010 1:24 am

Oh, and sorry about this, but if obama was born in kenya, that means he is British.
( see, ya still cant get away from us!)

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
November 20, 2010 1:29 am

I just wanted to say (although I still read all the site) that I stopped posting on here a few weeks back due to the sometimes slack-jawed responses (of which I was very disappointed). When I read the headline to this I just knew we were going to have the usual suspects on a bizarre anti-British rant. Some 300 posts in now, it’s too late to remind some that Stern’s ridiculous posture isn’t about trade boycotts based on trade, but based on climate change. Yet so many here have managed to turn it into some childish attack on Britain! At fear of sounding pompous, I really do think the level of intelligent debate on here has gone down in recent months – I don’t know why.