Climate Craziness of the Week: Soylent Green Earth Sim

Ecotretas writes in with another stranger than fiction idea, now coming to PC near you:

I’ve put up a post regarding a game that is being launched: Fate of the World. A SimCity like strategy game, but now with worldwide powers. It has all the ingredients: New World Order, mass murdering, killing people with special vaccines, even “processing dead people into ration wafers“. Unimaginable!

Fate of the World” is a computer game being launched by Red Redemption. It is a strategy and simulation game, putting the future of the planet in the hands of the player. Playing the game, you get to decide the next 200 years of Earth’s history, experiencing how to work out your own New World Order.

But worse than the game, are the intentions behind. Gobion Rowlands, Chairman and co-founder of Red Redemption, the creators of the game, in an interview to Edge, gives us some interesting previews of what might be going on in the game:

If you go to the US and the first thing you do is to implement a one-child policy and try banning meat, then they might just tell you to get out. Your agents can be killed, lost, blackmailed and kidnapped – so your agency gets taken away. I’ve just tried to ban meat here and the carnivores have rebelled. They’re not happy.

But when you’ve thought it couldn’t get worse, it does:

Under what circumstances, we wonder, would the US populace agree to processing dead people into ration wafers?

Everything is there. Regarding the New World Order, you just get it out of Rowlands words, in another interview:

So the year is 2020 and the world has done nothing significant to tackle the multitude of problems facing 21st century society, and then the first impacts strike and the nations create a new global organisation – the World Environment Organisation – and they put you in charge.

And what can you do with all this power? Producer Klaude Thomas gives you an idea:

Another example would be the simple expedient of removing a large proportion of the planet’s population from circulation. Let’s say with an engineered super-virus. The first thing to say about this is the obvious, that killing every last person in Africa would have less impact on climate change than getting Westerners to use 10% less energy. But let’s say you spread the virus around evenly, so everyone loses say half their family (the half who always get them crap stuff for Christmas). The trouble is, people don’t just conveniently fall over and die. Their friends and loved ones have to go and try and keep them alive, or always want to bury them decently instead of just tossing them in a skip; and then they spend time moaning and weeping and what have you. And that guy in IT who was fixing your laptop? He’s gone, and so, by the way, is the engineer who was keeping the power station running. So the rest of your society stops working so well, and that potentially puts your civilisation into a downward spiral as critical infrastructure falls apart.

Get it? I wondered who had sponsored this stuff? Didn’t have to dig much. The biggest investor in the project is the managing director of Deutsche Bank’s asset management arm – he’s in charge of all their clean tech and renewable investments globally. It has even made it into Nature, where you get a good idea that there simply is no solution for the game:

It is the year 2110, and the level of methane in the atmosphere has reached a critical threshold. You have a decision to make: accept the risk of global catastrophe and continue extracting the gas to meet the energy needs of an increasing population; implement a one-child-per-household rule to reduce future energy demand; or fund a decade-long research programme to deliver technological solutions.

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97 thoughts on “Climate Craziness of the Week: Soylent Green Earth Sim

  1. Easy-peasy.
    State-assisted, monetized suicide. Anyone with a “reasonable” credit history (we all know that the almighty dollar decides more than morals or ethics) can commit suicide and based on their “contribution” to society, they leave behind an amount for their surviving legates. Thus, the inheritance improves living conditions and the voluntary nature of the act makes it selfless and forgivable.
    Next?
    p.s. All of the scenarios and outcomes in the game are undoubtedly based on mathematical models, similar to GCMs so, you were expecting something reasonable and sensible?

  2. I’d like to see what sort of crazy obstacles they’ve put in front of the plan “Build Nukes Everywhere. Now.” And whether they have any options for solar satellites and other space industry.

  3. There is a technical term for these types of people (incl the Deutsche Bank managers) and their perspective: “sociopaths, sociopathy”. We even a have a few institutions to house them…

  4. Sounds a lot like Tom Clancy’s novel, “Rainbow Six”. Fortunately, Clancy offers the world a way out. When it’s enviro-weenies vs. special operations forces, guess who wins!

  5. I wonder if there is the option to get rid of politicians, elites, Hollywood stars, monarchy, yellow journalists, politicized scientists, etc, to see how the rest of the world would do.

  6. I thought this sort of hatred was illegal. Why is this acceptable when what Hilter (only 9 million) or Stalin (over 20 million) did is not. They were both lefties trying to bring in a new world order for the good of all. Fortunately they were stopped.

  7. Love the name “Red Redemption”. Makes it clear, for anyone who doubted the fact, that Gobion and his chums are Leninists rebranded as greens. Deutsche Bank are playing a very dangerous game bankrolling these maniacs.

  8. “I wondered who had sponsored this stuff? Didn’t have to dig much. The biggest investor in the project is the managing director of Deutsche Bank’s asset management arm ”
    Really? Very interesting.
    Dr. Rajendra Kumar Pachauri serves as a Member of Climate Change Advisory Board of Deutsche Bank AG.
    http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=9089242&privcapId=22361&previousCapId=138823&previousTitle=General%20Catalyst%20Partners

  9. Q (from text) Under what circumstances, we wonder, would the US populace a
    gree to processing dead people into ration wafers?
    My responce to this nonsense is check-out the info on BSE, try
    http://vetmedicine.about.com/od/diseasesandconditions/f/FAQ_madcow2.htm
    Extract—– BSE is an interesting disease from a medical standpoint because of the causative agent, prions (pronounced pree-ons). A prion is an infectious protein that is similar to a virus, but not a typical virus. Unlike viruses, prions aren’t alive, so they can’t be killed with the usual disinfectants. The body does not mount a typical viral immune attack against prions, either. Prion proteins can be denatured, but only at extremely high temperatures or with very strong chemicals, either way, not consistent with animal life so these are not treatment options. Diseases caused by prions are referred to as TSEs — Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies.
    How do prions infect cows?
    The most common mode of infection is via feeding cows contaminated feed — feed that contains animal proteins (from sheep or cows). Researchers are still studying modes of transmission and if heredity/genetics plays a role in an individual animals susceptibility to, or protection from, acquiring this disease.
    ————————————————————————————–
    Some people just get dafter, and leave you wondering why their mothers didn’t drown them at birth. Pity that there is no early indicator of how someone might turn out as a guide in identifying them. (But thinking back——- I might not have survived :-0
    regards
    john r

  10. Meh. I dunno, I think I’ll just shrug this off. It seems to me that the video game industry is running out of ideas in general, and they have to come up with kooky stuff like this to keep their audience of 30-something basement-dwellers interested. Not much to see here.

  11. The game is undoubtedly full of bugs, and maybe a virus or 3. Play at your own risk. Puns intended. 😉

  12. I followed Enneagram’s links to the Club of Rome and Green Agenda.
    There is some seriously alarming material here. Amongst the quotes are names like Blair, Gore, Lovelock, Hansen, Gorbachev, Obama, Strong … you get the drift … and here’s a taster:
    “The common enemy of humanity is man.
    In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
    with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
    water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
    dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
    changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
    The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
    – Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank,
    consultants to the United Nations.
    A tad more alarming than jolly hockey sticks?

  13. I wonder was Franny a “concept consultant” on this project, because it’s straight out of the 10:10 school of how to win friends and influence people. Why do they hate people so much?

  14. Here are a few more gems to brighten your day:
    “We are on the verge of a global transformation.
    All we need is the right major crisis…”
    – David Rockefeller,
    Club of Rome executive member
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the
    world’s scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a
    major catastrophe that could send our entire planet’s climate system
    into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods,
    droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have
    ever experienced – a catastrophe of our own making.”
    – Al Gore,
    An Inconvenient Truth
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “We are getting close to catastrophic tipping points,
    despite the fact that most people barely notice the warming yet.”
    – Dr James Hansen,
    NASA researcher
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “By the end of this century climate change will reduce the human
    population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic.”
    – Sir James Lovelock,
    Revenge of Gaia
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “Climate Change will result in a catastrophic global sea level
    rise of seven meters. That’s bye-bye most of Bangladesh,
    Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis.”
    – Greenpeace International
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “This planet is on course for a catastrophe.
    The existence of Life itself is at stake.”
    – Dr Tim Flannery,
    Principal Research Scientist

  15. How boring of a game, I could easilly beat it by simply implenting socialism everywhere..its not like a game that is made to tailor to socialist ideals is going to be original or anything.
    1 child per couple, easy. Limit energy use…easy. Give money to the socialist leaders…easy. Scenario solved.

  16. paulhan says:
    November 6, 2010 at 10:26 am
    “I wonder was Franny a “concept consultant” on this project, because it’s straight out of the 10:10 school of how to win friends and influence people. Why do they hate people so much?”
    They only hate you if you refuse to follow their orders.

  17. Let’s do our own, more realistic version of this game. We might even figure out how to *beat* the tree-huggers before they drive us all back to the Stone Age!

  18. Does the game come with exploding kids? Maybe that requires a high-end graphics processor and hi-res monitor…

  19. @ PandR
    November 6, 2010 at 9:35 am
    I rather think that Pol Pot and the Cambodian experiment would have been a closer analogy for what the Watermelons want to inflict on us. And we all know (or should) how that turned out.
    regards
    john r

  20. @ PandR
    What sort of person claims that Hitler was a “lefty”? Yes, I know that “Nazi” is a contraction of the German words for “National Socialist” but a name doesn’t decide whether someone is right or left wing. As Voltaire pointed out the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. If Hitler was a lefty then so were Mussolini, Franco and all the Fascist leaders in Europe and Latin America, in which case terms like “socialism” and “fascism” are completely devoid of meaning.
    Most of the people who call Hitler a lefty seem to be Americans on the extreme right of the political spectrum who are unwilling to admit that right wing dictators can be every bit as brutal as left wing ones. The expression of such views in this blog does nothing to promote a more rational attitude to climate change.

  21. It is the year 2110, and the level of methane in the atmosphere has reached a critical threshold. You have a decision to make: accept the risk of global catastrophe and continue extracting the gas to meet the energy needs of an increasing population;…..

    I thought burt methane turns to carbon dioxide and water. Anyway, the game speaks volumes. This is what they fantasise about on a daily basis. Nothing short of gen0cide will satisfy these human haters.

  22. So I guess I’m confused just a bit by the arguments here.
    This game seems like they did alot of research in to history and the future plans of leftwingers and put it together so every leftwinger can live out they’re fantasies today…
    Does anyone doubt that the eco-terrorists goal is to create a classic socialist utopia for the whole world… does anyone doubt that this will lead to famine, genocide, oppression and cannibalism… hitlar, stalin, mao, etc all brought classic socialist utopia’s to life. History shows the results for anyone who wishes to read them or see them.
    Anyone can see that the last non-left country(the US) has been steadily moving leftward for a long time… yeah it slowed under ppl like reagan and the bushs’ but clinton pushed hard and obama has the pedal to the floor… unless the tea party gets super majorities does anyone really think we can even move back to the center on government and economic policies? Reagan was hailed as some kind of centrist/center right hero… but in reality he mostly failed to stop leftward creep and really didn’t do much to push back to the right.
    Does anyone doubt that the US will keep moving leftward. Maybe not currently as fast as the last 2 years but it will still be moving steadily left, were already pass the centrist mark for government and economic policies.
    Does anyone doubt that collectivists are nothing more then cattle… and that given enough time and with enough propaganda that even eating humans would be considered “for the good of the human race”. Their can be no question that given enough propaganda that a large amount of the US would be enslaved into collectivism and thus would willing eat human flesh… and enjoy it.
    Does anyone doubt that the US with our huge stockpile of weapons, history of being rightwing, having the most rightwing government document pretty much ever written in known history(The US Constitution) would be the mostly likely to rebel against the authoritarianism that leftwingers love…
    This game is eugenics and the leftist ideology brought to the forefront, its every leftist wet dream come true. Being morally outraged is fine… being blind to the reality that billions of people consciously and subconsciously want this and work both knowingly and unknowingly together to bring about this utopia is to ignore science and history.
    Science dictates that the two human ideologies are always fighting to see who comes to be forefront… be it collectivism(leftwingers) who seek control over everything and individualists(rightwingers) who want freedom. Humans are social creatures and tend as a majority to fall on the center and center left of ideological scales… but this also means that they’re are far more humans who are leftwing and far leftwing then humans that are center right and rightwing(far rightwingers don’t even realistically exist). We of course see this in the world, where 95%+ of the world is under some kind of authoritarian/socialist government… its really just a matter of how authoritarian/socialist these governments are. If the US keeps going at its current rate that number will reach 99%+ in not much time.
    Collectivists throughout history have always stated beforehand they’re goals(stalin, hitler, mao, etc), they write long books about what they want… this game merely brings those goals into a single interactive form for the world and new generation of leftwingers to see. Rightwingers are outraged because consciously or subconsciously they know that its the true goal and that the future is looking more and more like its going to be a socialist utopia. Leftwingers are overjoyed because they may not in the real world be able to live in a socialist utopia yet, but they can create and mold the prefect socialist utopia they consciously and subconsciously always dreamed about…”for the betterment of the human race” of course.
    Science and history dictate that at some point after you pass from right of center to the left of center that you cross a line in which you can never move back to the center or right of center… When you cross that point you are locked into a ever leftward move toward pure collectivism. You won’t be able to fight the government because the rule of law will always state the government is always right because the government knows better then you and of course its for the “betterment of the human race”. Elections become mere propaganda tools and the only option becomes open warfare to even move back to the center. Has the US passed that point… only history will know. Don’t doubt though that we are close to that point however. It may take another 50-100 years to bring the US into the socialist utopia but once we pass that mark it, will be pretty steadily moving to that point.
    We should view this game through the lens of science… a warning of reality that can come to pass and what many in the world want. One should also remember that it doesn’t matter if global warming is real or not. If you can convince the population that it is through fake research and data then it real enough to bring about all the stated goals. It was the jews after long scientific research and the debate it settled… the evil capitalist(the expanded jew hating argument), on and on… all backed by “science”. Truth and science in the eyes of collectivists(leftwingers) is whatever the collective states that it is…

  23. Yea I can just see it. In the end, all that stands in the way of building their Utopia are the evil Denialists. What’s the final solution?

  24. I’ve done some business with the gaming industry and frequently the investors don’t have a really good grasp of what the final product(s) will look like. They are investing in a business case. That said, the connections between the bank exec and Pachauri are rather interesting.
    But I’m not as wound up about this game as I was about the 10:10 video. The 10:10 video was a call to arms and an outright threat, as was the Greenpeace “we know where you live” rant a few months back. This game dehumanizes human beings and is predicated on a list of choices that forces decisions by excluding real options. From that point of view it is a sick piece of work, but there are plenty of games that are worse. The question is does this game influence people to believe in global warming or to consider that culling the human population is OK? When someone is influenced by Mein Kompf it is because they seriously read it as a serious work. A sick twisted game is still just a game and anyone so sucked into the reality that it depicts is not likely to escape the downstairs bedroom in their parents house that they will live in until the age of 40.

  25. What am I missing here that makes this computer game anything to comment on here? It’s obviously a sci-fi-apocalyptic-type story for the game, but so what? Where’s the difference between this and any of the myriad zombie-killer games out there, for example?
    It’s always hard to make a good macro-simulation game, but this isn’t exactly new ground. There are various head-of-state games, so the only wrinkle here is the one necessary to let you be world overlord.
    Sounds quite fun to me, I might give it a go when it comes out.

  26. Pat says:
    November 6, 2010 at 9:15 am
    Works just the way climate models do.

    I don’t know how long you thought on that line, but it is truly insightful.

  27. …..and remember kids, this is all based on irrefutable science.
    Somebody needs to make a total conversion for a SPS game like halo or something. Fight against the new world order. That would be fun.
    I could say more, but I won’t.

  28. According to that Nature article on this game, the developers hope to “encourage players to engage with climate-change issues and to influence their attitudes and behaviours.

  29. From DirkH’s posting (November 6, 2010 at 10:09 am):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEEB
    Interesting quote:
    “The Update also underlines a ‘Coral Reef Emergency’ that is already here as a result of the current build-up of greenhouse gases. Scientists contributing to the TEEB process indicate that irreversible damage to coral reefs can occur at atmospheric CO2 concentrations of over 350 parts per million (ppm). This is linked with rising temperatures but also ocean acidification. Concentrations are already above this threshold and rising. It raises concerns that stabilizing CO2 levels at 450 ppm, or some 16 percent above the current levels, may condemn this critical, multi-billion dollar ecosystem to extinction and take with it the livelihoods of 500 million people within a matter of decades.”
    IanM

  30. UNEP – The Swiss paper:
    “—an extensive propagandizing role for UNEP that reaches beyond its member governments and traditional environmental institutions to “children and youth” as well as business and political groups, to support UNEP strategic objectives.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/11/30/document-reveals-uns-goal-rule-maker-global-environmental-talks/
    “It is clear that UNEP must take advantage of windows
    of opportunity to make its case. Like a surfer, it must
    spot the waves it can ride. The biggest, most
    magnificent political wave at present and in the
    immediate future is climate change, and UNEP should
    not fail to ride it. But it must find and occupy its
    niche.”
    The UNEP That We Want:
    http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/113009_IISDreport.pdf

  31. Just expanding on davidmhoffer’s text a few posts up- which I agree with…
    Yes, this isn’t as bad as 10:10, and really I wouldn’t say this is bad at all. 10:10 was an ad campaign, where the purpose is to put forth a message and get people to digest it- a computer game on the other hand, is about suspending the ordinary rules of reality in order to have a bit of fun. The context here makes it harmless, imo. As someone who’s been playing computer games all my life, I’ve not once taken a game seriously enough to imagine that it was actually trying to teach me something (apart from very specific educational titles) or put some ideology over me, and in fact the modus operandi of the typical game with its need to divorce itself from reality actually makes this very difficult. When you’re playing Fallout: New Vegas, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas, you might say. Kids learn stuff like this fairly quickly… games are never analogues for real things.
    And even if there is a ulterior purpose here and it can be linked back to a green/socialist/whatever ideology, they have simply chosen the wrong platfrom, they’re doing it wrong. When I have some spare time, I’ll probably give this thing a go, just to see for myself what’s going on here… right now I can’t imagine that after spending time with this game, some child would actually come away from the computer thinking that turning dead people into biscuits would actually be a good idea. It’s just not the way minds work when we’re playing games.

  32. Where has all the Climate gone?
    Long time passing
    Where has all the Climate gone?
    Long time ago
    Where has all the Climate gone?
    Take temperatures every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?
    Where have all the polar bears gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the polar bears gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the polar bears gone?
    Gone to eat tourists every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?
    Where have all the scientists gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the scientist gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the scientist gone?
    Gone to get grants every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?
    Where have all the grants gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the grants gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the grants gone?
    Cut by Tea Partiers, every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

  33. I’m sorry but I’m invoking Godwin’s law.
    This sound familiar to some of the statements of the 1930’s and 40’s

  34. davidmhoffer says:
    November 6, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    I actually find this encouraging in that even if there is intent to pervert they’ve missed out on child psychology. Children will know this is fantasy & will probably carry that over to the real world scare stories & view them as fantasy too.
    On another thread I said that kids would probably enjoy Eugenics for Wii, I just didn’t realise they’d get there this quickly.
    DaveE.

  35. this is crazy – i don’t want my kid considering the effects of one country’s actions on another. if there’s a risk of our emissions causing harm to other parts of the world, unless we’re sure it’s going to cause that harm, we should get to keep doing what we want. the burden of proof is on them, not our risk-creating behavior. and if warmers end up being right, and subsistence farmers in Africa end up suffering droughts and bad harvests, it’s not our fault. i mean technically it would be our fault because we are the biggest per-capita emitters, but they didn’t prove it in time. if warmers had only proved it i would have changed my actions. i don’t want to impose involuntary harms on poor people on the other side of the world. but the warmers didn’t prove it in time – the only way they could have proved it before the harm occurred would be if they had used something like a model, but models are stupid because they’re not perfect. either you know, or you don’t. unless you can tell me with 100% certainty that what i’m doing is wrong, i get to keep doing it. heck, if iran wants to shoot nuclear missiles into the atmosphere that models suggest have a 90% likelihood of landing in the US, far be it for me to ask them to stop.

  36. Might appeal to ‘budding tyrants’ and bored senior executives but unlikely to gain much transaction in the core gaming market.
    Still, Deutsche Bank have salved their concscience!

  37. MartinGAtkins said on November 6, 2010 at 11:52 am:

    Yea I can just see it. In the end, all that stands in the way of building their Utopia are the evil Denialists. What’s the final solution?

    If it came down to that, many “evil Denialists” with long-range sniping rifles and rarely-used highly-targeted bombs. We “evil Denialists” are smart enough to realize it’s not a cure for a sick patient to starve the patient or cut out or off random chunks and pieces. We also can realize when the cure is the strategic removal and/or eradication of certain cells and structures that are threatening to sicken and even kill the healthy parts of the body.
    Does this simulation have a “game over” ending where the randomly-killing plague or the energy rationing ends up killing the user? Strange how those who want to control such “for the greater good” games never consider their machinations can harm them as well. Heck, imagine their surprise with the following:
    The rolling blackouts you ordered have caused the fresh salmon in the refrigerator to go bad. The sushi you had for lunch has given you food poisoning. The hospital has refused treatment due to your age and health. You have succumbed to disease and died. This was a natural death according to natural selection due to insufficient resistance to bacterial infection. You have been credited with a significant personal reduction in lifetime energy consumption and carbon dioxide emissions.
    Play again?

  38. Under what circumstances, we wonder, would the US populace agree to processing dead people into ration wafers?
    I refer the strong of mind to the tale of the Donner Party for the answer to that.

  39. temp says:
    November 6, 2010 at 11:46 am
    “Science and history dictate that at some point after you pass from right of center to the left of center that you cross a line in which you can never move back to the center or right of center…”
    While I agree with you it’s not a common occurrence, there are certainly examples of left-to-right shift on both, personal and social level. In my 20’s I firmly considered myself a communist. Over the years, I slowly started to recognize communism for what it really is.
    And on a social level, when your American government starts implementing major collectivist agenda, then you take your guns, go to the White House and boot them by force. I will sure fly in from Canada to fight alongside, because Canada will turn dictatorial the second the US does, so it’s important that the battle is won!
    So NOT give up your Second Amendment!!!
    Ohh, and when you DO boot the government, add this to the constitution: “No Rothschild owned Central Bank.”

  40. Roy: thank-you for pointing out the obvious.
    If you want people to take you seriously, trying to make black = white is not the way to do it.

  41. Man o Man, i’m so sick of the People Hating People trope.
    If its not sociopaths in Hollywood blockbusters, renegade scientists in novels, or the entire EU parliament and US senate, its some bumpkin games developer.
    And as always, their only answer,…kill people.
    Here’s a better one.
    Don’t kill people.
    We’re in a 6 billion strong real time simulation, no undo’s, no reload if we f**k it up. Every minute, something hideous is happening somewhere to some poor b*****d, and the best solution the psychopathic elite have, kill em all!
    Its about time the entire mob went outdoors, got some sunlight, and stopped being d**kheads. And if the can’t behave, we will patch this simulation with the Last Laugh MOD, a mix between the Norse Saga, and the end of the age of Kali Yuga….

  42. Turning dead people into biscuits???!!!! What are these vegetarian/vegan green gamewriters thinking about?? Dosn’t everybody know that REAL canibals prefer their food out of a big stewpot?? :-((
    john r

  43. Who calls a game a computer game these days?
    Disregarding the fact that it’s not really the computer that runs the game, but the software that runs the computer that runs the game, but any game is assumed to be digital in nature.
    Christ kids today, when you ask if they want to join for paint ball, go sorry can’t, don’t have the game.
    And you know you’re getting frakking old when you can’t decipher if they mean they’re not in a winning mode or they didn’t actually buy a paint ball game, because, apparently, they exist for sure just like them fishing games. OMFG!

  44. 2020 “The world has ignored the threat of climate change”, and hundreds of thousands of people froze to death. While the world was duped into believing the planet would only get hotter, they ignored climate change could also bring colder conditions as the climate always changes. Scientist ignored the Sun’s minimum state causing our climate to change, and failed to warn the population of dramatically colder conditions.
    The winter body counts kept rising into the year 2018 till the Sun came out of it’s slumber and began to reverse the colling trend. Humans could have prepared if they had not been so gullible and listened to the vested interests in promoting a need to stop climate change. Puny humans with large egos was the recipe for disaster. The accumulated body count ran into the hundreds of thousands of people frozen to death.

  45. rbateman said November 6, 2010 at 3:52 pm:

    Under what circumstances, we wonder, would the US populace agree to processing dead people into ration wafers?
    I refer the strong of mind to the tale of the Donner Party for the answer to that.

    I would rather feast on roadkill possum before resorting to that. Heck, I’d even consider going vegan.

  46. “Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.”
    (Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

  47. PandR says:
    November 6, 2010 at 9:35 am
    I thought this sort of hatred was illegal. Why is this acceptable when what Hilter (only 9 million) or Stalin (over 20 million) did is not. They were both lefties trying to bring in a new world order for the good of all. Fortunately they were stopped.

    Hey PandR, let us not forget which side we’re supposedly on: the side that supports truth and liberty. Hatred (or any other form of thought or emotion) in itself should not be illegal – although of course it unfortunately IS illegal in many so-called free societies (e.g. Holocaust denial in Germany). But that is thought-control, pure and simple, and no matter how objectionable one finds another’s thoughts, that is no grounds for making those thoughts illegal.
    So I support the rights of these morons to produce these sick and twisted games, and show the rest of us the way they really think.

  48. Roy says:
    November 6, 2010 at 11:21 am

    (O.T. but had to address Roy’s comment.) Of COURSE the Nazis were Leftist. They were socialist through and through, they hated capitalism and property rights, and believed in centralised state control, redistribution of wealth and so-called “social justice” (it’s all very well documented).
    http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/hitler-was-a-socialist/
    Sure they permitted (non-Jewish) individuals to own the businesses on paper, but control rested firmly with the state. The fact that they were led by racist psychopaths who revelled in killing millions of innocent people doesn’t make them “right wing” (unless you apply the Leftist definition of “right wing” as meaning just about anything objectionable, and “left wing” as meaning anything cuddly and caring).

  49. Michael says:
    November 6, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    “The winter body counts kept rising into the year 2018 till the Sun came out of it’s slumber and began to reverse the colling trend. ”
    Unrealistic scenario. Make that 2218.

  50. Ian L. McQueen says:
    November 6, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    “From DirkH’s posting (November 6, 2010 at 10:09 am):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEEB
    Interesting quote:
    “[…]It raises concerns that stabilizing CO2 levels at 450 ppm, or some 16 percent above the current levels, may condemn this critical, multi-billion dollar ecosystem to extinction ”
    Dangit! That’s where all the money Ben prints ends up! Those polyps must be some smart guys.

  51. Memo to Roy Boy: “Nazi” is not a “contraction” of National Socialist. The party to which you refer is properly abbreviated the NSADP which, correctly translated, becomes the “National Socialist German Workers Party.” Now, what part of that name confuses you? Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, were “national socialists;” Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Mugabe, and a host of others were “international socialists,” meaning they had intentions (actually dreams) of imposing their toxic ideologies on the rest of the human race. History has examples of “right-wing” dictators, to be sure, but you’d be hard put to identify a single one whose actions disturbed the peace of the world in any significant way, as compared to the first group. Totalitarians are always totalitarians and what you choose to call them in your own thinking doesn’t change the facts. L

  52. Seamus Dubh says:
    I’m sorry but I’m invoking Godwin’s law.

    Godwin’s law isn’t what I suspect you imagine it to be, but what I suspect you imagine it to be presumes that there is nothing else as evil as Nazism (which is the only reason introducing Nazism could automatically kill a discussion).
    But if, for example, banning DDT killed 40mil. people (and it did) and if reducing our carbon footprint will reduce the food-producing capacity of the planet and throw hundreds of millions into starvation (which will only be averted because the clowns can’t actually succeed in doing it) then it would seem a quite valid view for someone to take that there are things as evil as nazism going on.

  53. Hitler and Mussolini were both Lefties. Nazi and Fascist thinkin was very little different
    than Stalinist, Government control, no fee markets, favored firms and people,
    if you were unfavored, you best got the dregs or got dragged to the camp, if not the showers…
    This “Game” has the stench of the well-oiled Jackboot about it..

  54. The only good thing I can see with this is, maybe it’ll keep all those crazy Greens/Warmist/Alarmist busy in their new Imagionary World. Give them something else to do with their idol time, instead of creating another hoax of the sky is falling.

  55. It’s hard to avoid paranoia when I see things like this… But I’ll keep trying.
    I keep asking the question, but not seeing many answers. Why do commercial interests support these kinds of things? Is it just to “make a buck” off the latest “meme”? Seems very short-sighted to me.

  56. Noelene says:
    November 6, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    “Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.”
    (Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

    Yes, that sounds very right-wing to me.

  57. Could the object of the game be simple ‘desensitising’? Finding future new recruits? Re the references to Germany, the method was first denigration by making some the scapegoat for the ills, then graduated attacks on these beginning with small steps. Limiting which streets and areas such as parks some could use began the process of splitting into ‘them and us’ and the demeaning branding, by having to wear a badge, making this obvious at all times and place, desensitised the ‘us people’ at the same time as playing on the emotional relief of not being one of ‘the them’. We are, as humans naturally co-operative, it’s a defining feature, and childhood is where we learn our place in this. It seems rather a lot of our history has been defined by those intent on accumulating power putting the rest into slavery, the slavery to a debt monetary system now is but one version of this, perhaps someone can devise a game based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights before this becomes a forgotten blip of sanity in the passage of time as the American Constitution is becoming?
    Some players in the field, the second url is from a link in the first.
    http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/?p=14219
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/bill-gates-and-neo-eugenics-vaccines-to-reduce-population.html

  58. Stu @ November 6, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    If we were considering this as only an individual element, I would happily agree with you.
    However, this is NOT the case; this game (potentially) is only one element in a very carefully planned ‘saturation’ campaign.
    And its hardly the first, nor will it be the last.
    And no, I’m not belittling you. Directing your eyes towards the ground is a very natural trait; taking in everything around you, constantly, is a learned trait.
    And does wonders in minimizing life’s hazards, both large and small.
    Embrace the latter, it will change your perspective of the world.

  59. “I’ve just tried to ban meat here and the carnivores have rebelled. They’re not happy.”
    Uh, no, since you DIDN’T SUCCEED, I would say the procreating carnivores are the happy ones…
    But that’s a watermelon for ya. Always self-projecting unto others!

  60. CPT. Charles-
    Hi. I thought about my post a little bit, and about the idea of games as propaganda, and I jogged that there have been atleast a few attempts previously within the industry to promote certain political/religious/etc, messages.
    One I know of is a game called ‘Left Behind- Eternal Forces’, which is a Christian themed game.

    I’m pretty sure it never really took off. (I’ve never played it)
    The other is actually a fairly successful free game called ‘America’s Army’, which is basically used as a promotional tool for the military. The game itself does not seem really to be propaganda, but is more designed to function as an aid in recruitment efforts. Again, I’ve never played this game.
    Having a bit of a look online for propaganda in games, I came across this link…
    http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/08/24/video-games-as-propaganda/
    So I need to correct that there is no such thing as propaganda in games media. There are atleast a handful of explicit examples to date.
    My argument is whether or not channeling games as an appropriate medium for propaganda makes a good strategy or actually has an effect, which I would argue no at this stage (America’s Army being a possible exception). Maybe this is to do with a lack of sophistication or experience in presenting political messages in games? All of those other titles on the list in the link above appear to have been huge flops, and I think that has atleast something to do with peoples expectations of games in the first place. The last thing I imagine a kid wants to do is be preached at by a game. That is what school/parents/the whole rest of society is for. Kids play games to escape all that. A preachy game will not make a popular game.

  61. It is difficult to see from the video whether there is any scope for entrepreneurship and innovation in the allowed strategies for solving the world’s climate problems.
    Throughout history totalitatian regimes have failed, and individual enterprise has ultimately provided solutions and the collective wealth that centralist control simply doesn’t have the vision to provide.
    The northern European/Asian communist states have all succumbed. China appears to be in the process of embracing capitalism. The regimes in North Korea and Cuba are hardly examples to which anybody would want to aspire, they have ensured almost universal poverty for all but the ruling elite.
    The opening shots of the promotional video suggests that after the first disasters hit, the world calls for a leader. This has to show just how far the designers of the game are removed from reality. The idea that the world, in 10 years time, would collectively call for one leader is fantasy – given the divergence of ideologies throughout the world.
    Human nature shows that when disasters occur, people call for punishment of the perceived guilty parties Leaders are toppled, political parties lose power and are replaced with alternatives that make the most persuasive promises (that is the story or western politics for at least the last century). Nevertheless, in general, the true solutions (as opposed to the rhetoric) come from the private sector.
    At best, state intervention is only positive when it creates condition in which private enterprise thrives with in a generally accepted moral framework. I didn’t see any suggestion of this from the games authors.
    It claims to be a simulation game, but it appears to me to be like other climate related computer simulations (aka climate models), a fantasy game.

  62. Roy says:
    November 6, 2010 at 11:21 am
    “Most of the people who call Hitler a lefty seem to be Americans on the extreme right of the political spectrum who are unwilling to admit that right wing dictators can be every bit as brutal as left wing ones. The expression of such views in this blog does nothing to promote a more rational attitude to climate change.”
    Roy, I think that what was expressed was rather that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, all these guys likes a strong State, a strong Government, and a concensus on politics.
    The opposite camp, the Libertarians, they like a minimum State, maximum individual freedom.
    So, when you talk about “Americans on the extreme right” I think you mean the peaceful Libertarians? Those who want a minimum State with individual freedom?
    And you are in the other camp? Those who want a Strong big State? With a strong Leader at the top? And a Consensus to march on? That’s the Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot camp.
    I think its Leftist to want a strong State with a strong leader up front.
    It is certainly not “Extreme Right.”

  63. how is this worse than re-enacting WWI/II in a strategy game? The cool thing about computer games is that you can do outrageous stuff. Well, you don’t really “do” it, geddit? I play 1st person shooters and killing 500 “people” in a session doesn’t mean anything other than great fun. Of course you will always find someone amongst 6 billion people who is outraged with any number of things and you are simply one of them in this case.
    I don’t play strategy, but if I did I would love the game for being repulsive alone.

  64. kids that get suckered into violent games have been known to act out, and seem to disassociate real/nonreal consequences.
    this is a none too subtle way to get a pile of Eugenics, and social control propaganda into kids and others minds as Possible alternatives. the(good??) end negating the dubious means,,
    Brilliants comments by many above BTW!

  65. I thought “No Pressure” would be the end of this evil stuff. It is sociologically and psychologically interesting though. It shows what these fluffy lovable lovers of the planet and its creatures show themselves to be when things aren’t going there way. There were a few precursors, starting with a nasty verbal threat to sceptics from Greenpeace about a year ago:
    -We know who you are. We know where you work. We know where you live. You be few and we be many- This threat on their website received such a negative response, even from the useful fools, that it was rationalized, withdrawn and apologized for.
    -Then the “No Pressure” video where children are blown up who don’t believe in CAGW.
    -Now this.
    I have a feeling that this one won’t get apologized for and, as I (and many others)have said since Climategate, there will be a crescendo of hysterical ugliness, desparate new junk-science-worse-than-we-thought research from the cornered rats and gloves-off-forget-about-the-science products issuing from these folks.
    I hope this kind of stuff finally alienates the useful fools among the unthinking public and media and the gravy-train scientists as it asppears to be starting to do. I wouldn’t rule out sabotage and violence in the near future. I think we need a good post on this deconstruction and its personality.

  66. Has anyone told Rock Star games about Red Redemption, I know you guys love to sue over copy right infringment in the states.
    Oh and what about options like sorting out guberment before wiping out half the population?

  67. If one designs a game than they should consider the mindset of a fanatical gamer who will explore the game, find a weakness or bug and start to exploit this in order to win the game at all costs. An exploit or Sploit as we call it is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game’s designers.
    And there will most likely be some kind of rocket jump in this game or that you can bunny hop yourself into winning the game.

  68. Clearly the ‘ads’ stuck in vary with the ‘cookies’ on the machine. I’m in Orlando, on a friends machine, and the “ad” is a “Groupon” coupon for sushi… so amongst all the talk of Soylent Green wafers, I’ve got a picture of a series of “wafers” (a sliced ‘roll’) with various green colors in them, along with raw flesh, and the caption “Orlando’s Best! Up to 90% off!” … but it never SAYS the word Sushi, so one is left to wonder what’s IN those wafers that are “Orlando’s Best”? 😉
    Image here: http://tpc.googlesyndication.com/simgad/5060744983540855721
    at least for the moment
    On the game, they need the Nuclear Option. Where they can just push a button and not only wipe out The Other Side, but also 3/4 of their own population too…

  69. E.M. Smith Says:
    “and the caption “Orlando’s Best! Up to 90% off!” … but it never SAYS the word Sushi,”
    It might be Orlando himself 😉

  70. Roy, the difference between the international socialism of the Russian model and the national socialism of the German model, was that the Russian way to socialism was to vest ownership of the means of production in the state. The German model was to leave ownership of the means of production nominally in the hands of private owners, and for the state to dictate any and every detail of production, supply, demand, prices, whatever.
    This doesn’t mean that the terms socialism and fascism are meaningless. Fascism is just a species of the genus socialist, that is all. Fascism is not the opposite of a spectrum or range with socialism at the other end – in case you haven’t noticed – they both result in totalitarian dictatorships, centrally planned chaos and gross human rights abuses.
    Ultimately there are only two possibilities: either you own your life and relations with others should be based on private property and consent; or the state owns your life and relations with others should be based on aggressive violence or threats of it.

  71. E.M.Smith says:
    November 7, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    On the game, they need the Nuclear Option. Where they can just push a button and not only wipe out The Other Side, but also 3/4 of their own population too…

    We already have that game, its called Defcon, it’s Global Thermonuclear War, and nobody wins.

  72. These games can have a lasting impact. I think some of the enthusiasm for `alternative energy’ comes from people who grew up with Sim City 2000. In that game power stations of all kinds caused nasty pollution problems and in addition blew up spectacularly and suddenly after exactly 50 years (usually causing problems for the player) except of course for windmills and hydroelectric power stations, which caused no pollution and lasted forever. The best solution to the power problem was actually to build a pyramid with the bulldozer, cover it with water with the terrain tool (a pyramid shaped pond), and then cover it with hydroelectric power stations. Highly realistic – NOT!

  73. I was thinking I might let this one go, but a game of global tyranny? This sounds like an awesome game and entertainingly dystopian sci-fi. Between the global tyranny, me in charge of anything, and that environmental part, I’ve never seen anything scarier. It should also be excellent practice … but never you mind that detail. MWAHAHAHAHAAA

  74. “It is the year 2110, and the level of methane in the atmosphere has reached a critical threshold”
    Just don’t spark a match whatever you do….

  75. It is great that there are so many people in the West who are so comfortable and free from suffering that they can make genocidal fantasies a pleasurable pastime. Writing by Doctor Who TV writers, no less!
    This is just entertainment. A lot like GCMs.

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