From the weather-is-not-climate department:
By Jeff Fish, Globe Correspondent
Ignoring the calendar, which showed the beginning of the month of July, a dusting of snow fell Thursday on Mount Washington in New Hampshire, startling tourists and forcing the closure of the road to the top.
“It’s not extraordinary, but it’s definitely interesting,” said Stacey Kawecki, a meteorologist for the Mount Washington Observatory.
Mount Washington, the Northeast’s highest peak at 6,288 feet, has recorded snow in every month. The last time it was recorded in July was 2007.
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mikelorrey says:
July 3, 2010 at 11:22 am
> Mt Washington doesn’t get snow if the jet stream is north of the notch.
For non-New Englanders, a notch is basically just a mountain pass. The term annoyed me to no end until I realized that most of them really do look like notches.
Mount Washington, the Northeast’s highest peak at 6,288 feet, has recorded snow in every month.
And so it’s remarked upon here… why, exactly?
[Reply: Ask these news agencies the same question. Newsworthy enough for them, should be newsworthy enough to discuss here. ~ mod]
I hope you people realise that IF we were to enter into the usual, state of the norm ice age the Warmists would say, with a straight face:
“this is just a short-lived ice age on the way to warming”
or
“the short-lived ice age is masking the warming trend”
or
“the ice age would have been much worse if it wasn’t for
AGW”I kid you not as we are dealing with people who refuse to be rational about the weather.
Yep! No warming here. Move along!
Co2Insanity,
You do realize that when there are ~20 feet of snow on the ground at 8000′ that it does take a while to melt?
This June, I recall hearing recent forecasts on KHB60 Puget Sound area weather radio that the snow level in the mountains of Washington State would be around 6,000 feet.
Global skiing in July: Overall great conditions!
http://www.ifyouski.com/snow.aspx
That is all local weather – not related to climate at all – as the record warm winter for Canada. It’s still that way in the north east where everything is mostly 2-3 weeks in advance. Last week was relatively cold if i compare that to the previous 2 months (april and may), but other than that, it’s been a very mild spring and warm summer start – with the exception of the last few days.
Today everything went back to normal with temps high in the 80s – if not in the 90s.
So, i don’t make much of that event of snow on top of 6000+ feet of elevation. And i don’t make much of that single warm winter – as i’m quite sure it’ll be back way too soon. Still on the long run, it’s been awhile since we’ve had a -40 in our area – the last one i remember was early in the 90s. But it was a common thing prior than that. Things are changing.
To Jimbo, most of the thing you said – have been told by people not believing in AGW. They say that AGW proponents are saying that, but i challenge you to find who really said that, and you’ll be surprised that it is coming from some of the most influent people – yet no scientist – in the anti-agw group.
If you look at the skeptical scientists, no one of them will deny the global warming situation we’re in for the last 150 years or so (with fluctuation – but still warming). So saying what you’ve said is only perpetuating lies, distortion, and does’nt serve any cause beside your own belly button.
Timberati says:
July 3, 2010 at 12:24 pm
No doubt NH snow in July is proof that AGW IS occurring.
Timberati,
You neglected to employ the superlative adjective ‘Catastrophic’ when mentioning ‘AGW.’
You see? In order to freak people out, you’ve GOT to employ the most scary superlatives you might muster in order to have effect!
Now remember this: CAGW = Catastrophic Al Gore Wretchedness.
It’s ‘wretchedness’ because when he gets done with us, we’ll be living wretched lives.
@HankHenry
I don’t think old adages apply in the age of modern farming, hybrid, genetically modified, etc.
Bruce Cobb says:
July 3, 2010 at 1:52 pm
No doubt though, in the not-too- distant future, snow on top of Mt. Washington will become “a very rare and exciting event”. Then, they will have to call the Presidentials the “Gray Mountains”. They will have to erect barriers to keep the hordes below from overrunning it in their desperate attempts to escape the boiling heat in the valleys.
Dibs on the movie rights.
“No doubt” you say?
Well, hey, get a load of this:
http://butnowyouknow.wordpress.com/those-who-fail-to-learn-from-history/climate-change-timeline/
Or this:
http://newsbusters.org/node/11640
How about that, eh?
How does it feel to be tossed into a washing machine, stuck on the wash cycle?
You know: Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth …
In virtually every decade of modern man, some jerk comes along and plays you people for the fools you are, and you buy it, hook, line, and sinker.
56F this morning in Charlotte, NC. A new record for the day….
“You do realize that when there are ~20 feet of snow on the ground at 8000′ that it does take a while to melt?”
Gee Rattus…no kidding? Such a genius to figure that one out you are.
Ric Werme says:
July 3, 2010 at 4:24 pm
What it should tell you is how a particular locale reacts to solar cycle length.
I was surprised to see that the rainfall records sorted nicely.
People around here ask me a lot about what the deep solar minimum means, and now I have an answer for them.
rbateman says:
July 3, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Mulberry trees 2 months late here in NW Calif. Cold killed 3 young trees, peach blossoms, and tomatoes think it’s fall (turning red already). The news from the S. Hemisphere says to expect another round of increasing cold winter.
And what is that silly Sun up there doing?
And with all of the weather data pouring in, why the idiots in D.C. STILL want to shove their carbon-come slavery down our throats.
You’d think that by this time they’d have come to their senses. But no, they’ve been read the riot act by the wholly reluctant GOD-KING in the White House, and are determined to kill us off with taxes before we all die of starvation first.
Pull the teats on the cash cows just as hard as one can, before they croak.
As an old retired corn grower I can empathise with the various statements about tasselling and being able to hear corn grow. The latter is true. You can hear it crackle on a hot humid day and it will grow up to six inches in the day.
The comments from many decribing the season set-backs eg broad beans a month later than normal, is very worrying. The growing season has been seriously reduced and should you have an early autumn some crops won’t reach maturity. No big deal for the home gardener but if translated to the commercial fruit and vegetable growers will mean shortages of summer produce. Unfortunately this will become common should SC24 and SC25 continue as predicted by the solar physicists.
It’s been well over thirty years since those cold winters and relatively short summers played havoc with world grain stocks. Current stocks rarely exceed 60 million tonnes which equates to 10 loaves of bread each; a very small buffer. Remember that Canada, the Ukraine, parts of China and grain areas in Northern Europe all increased production in the past warm cycle and will lose production over the next decade. We could be in for a tough time. The first thing to go will be grain for ethanol so any targets for non-oil fuels will have to be dropped. More food will be grown in greenhouses necessitating more power not less. Populations in poor countries will suffer.
There will be positives for the farm sector. More competition for grain should see price rises at the farm gate. Dearer grain will see a move away from feed lotting and a return to grass fed beef and sheep as the main means to provide protein from marginal lands.
There may even be a role for the alarmist scientists to use their knowledge of the carbon atom to help develop faster growing crops which use less water. The corrollary of cooling is less rain and more snow isn’t it. I seem to remember an American corn farmer from Iowa saying he only received 9 inches of rain but 9 feet of snow on which to grow his corn. That was in the sixties.
The most positive result will be the end of the AGW ridiculousness.
One reason that Mount Washington isn’t “just another mountain top” or “just what it’s like above 6,000 ft” is the number of weather related records that have been established at its peak weather observatory. It is known generally as having “The Worlds Worst Weather”.
6,000 ft altitude really isn’t that high, the peak of Mt. Washington is a relatively normal elevation in and around Colorado Springs, CO, yet it consistently has far worse weather than that community experiences.
April 1934 of course, the wind meter at the peak recorded the fastest wind gust in history, 231 mph, a record that wasn’t beaten until this past year Barrow Island, Australia recorded 253 mph windspeeds during a Category 4 typhoon that made landfall there. Mt. Washington posts 100 mph windspeeds every few weeks, which obviously can cause some rather extreme and quickly changing weather events.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhKQ86y5zzc&hl=en_US&fs=1]
For this reason, the mountain is also known as one of the deadliest mountains. Gearjunkie.com classifies it as the 8th most deadly mountain in the world, classed with 9 other candidates that, except for the Matterhorn (at 14,000 ft), stand over 20,000 ft tall. Over 100 people have lost their lives on Mount Washington.
One interesting find: the climate change page on the Mt. Washington Obervatory’s website has been wiped and is under complete revision, after local observations of recent years have conflicted with the AGW accepted wisdom of rising treelines and other biological elevations.
Lawrie Ayres,
I value the opinion of an experienced farmer far more that the opinions of climate modelers sitting in their sterile cubicles, who never get out into the mud and the cold real world. Thanks for your perspective.
Darn cold in Sydney right now
This is several days old and the weather has not warmed up at all.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/30/2941227.htm
But ABC weather specialist Graham Creed says people’s complaints are justified.
“It’s definitely quite unusual to see such widespread cold weather in June, it would be more typical in July and August,” he said.
“So people are complaining about the cold for a good reason.”
Mr Creed says most areas across the south-east are experiencing temperatures well below average.
“Last weekend a cool change moved through and that introduced some significantly colder air across most of south-east Australia,” he said.
“Quickly in behind that we had a high pressure ridge move through, producing clear skies during both the day and the night, but it’s also helping to trap that cold air in.
“The clear skies mean we are losing what little daytime heating there is and overnight temperatures are dropping into the minuses through many of those states, producing widespread frosts.
“On top of that we’ve got quite a breeze in certain areas and the air is very dry so that’s producing very low wind chill, so not only is the sun not providing much warmth, you’ve also got the assistance of the wind making it feel colder than it actually is.”
He says Queensland is in for a particularly rough few days, as widespread rainfall will see the conditions change from cold and sunny to cold, cloudy and wet.
Yesterday, an icy blast through Adelaide brought enough rain to supply the city for a month, with a hail storm capping off the exceptionally wintry day.
Yesterday was also the coldest day in Melbourne in nearly two years, with the city not reaching its maximum temperature of 10.8 degrees Celsius until 7:55pm (AEST).
If the temperature in Melbourne fails to hit its forecast maximum today, it will be the first time in 14 years the city has recorded three consecutive days of temperatures below 12 degrees.
Last night Brisbane was coldest at 9:00pm (AEST), when the mercury dropped to below 8 degrees, but experts say it will be even cooler tonight.
Sydney recorded its coldest June morning today since 1949, with temperatures diving to 4.3 degrees just before 6:00am (AEST).
“You do realize that when there are ~20 feet of snow on the ground at 8000′ that it does take a while to melt?”
Imran14826
http://www.livetv.pk
Its Déjà vu… I thought so… I could kind of remember the scary news about Iceland volcanoes toward the end of the 23-24 solar minimum. Katla didn’t blow then… I’m not saying it won’t now but, anyway. Refreshed my memory of some of the other 1998-1999 eruptions too! We had an El Nino switch to a La Nina then too, and much the same weather patterns we have now. A bit more intense this time though.
Global Volcanism Program | Eyjafjallajökull | Summary
http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=1702-02=
An intrusion beneath the south flank from July-December 1999 was accompanied by increased seismic activity and was constrained by tilt measurements, GPS-geodesy and InSAR.
http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/find_eruptions.cfm
If the Sun is going to get going at all, the time to do it is within the next six months. We may be in for a number of VEI 3-4 volcano eruptions between now and through 2011 if history repeats. Heaven forbid those get worse like the weather.
Selsey Bill must be an octogenarian lizard.
@mikelorrey – Glad someone else popped a mention of that 231 mph wind record on Mt Washington.
For all who love weather (as opposed to climate!) this is a great read about that day, in 1934 – which amazingly was the warmest year on record in the US (after Steve McIntyre got them to correct the data):
Record Wind
In 1971 I lived near Mt Washington, and the radio weather reports from up on top were a hoot to listen to, with the wind not just howling in the background, but ROARING. I laugh just thinking about it…
Coolest summer I’ve experienced in my 50 years in SoCal so far. Everybody here’s talking about it. Sweater weather much of the day, with respite in the afternoon. It’s like an unusually cool spring. 15+ degrees under what I’d expect.