National power grids could overheat and air travel severely disrupted while electronic items, navigation devices and major satellites could stop working after the Sun reaches its maximum power in a few years.
Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
In a new warning, Nasa said the super storm would hit like “a bolt of lightning” and could cause catastrophic consequences for the world’s health, emergency services and national security unless precautions are taken.
Scientists believe it could damage everything from emergency services’ systems, hospital equipment, banking systems and air traffic control devices, through to “everyday” items such as home computers, iPods and Sat Navs.
Due to humans’ heavy reliance on electronic devices, which are sensitive to magnetic energy, the storm could leave a multi-billion pound damage bill and “potentially devastating” problems for governments.
“We know it is coming but we don’t know how bad it is going to be,” Dr Richard Fisher, the director of Nasa’s Heliophysics division, said in an interview with The Daily Telegraph.
“It will disrupt communication devices such as satellites and car navigations, air travel, the banking system, our computers, everything that is electronic. It will cause major problems for the world.
“Large areas will be without electricity power and to repair that damage will be hard as that takes time.”
NONE of you ever had a mortgage schedule printed out? Gee, how did they ‘figure’ those dates beyond the year 2000 unless … the LIBRARIES the code had been linked with was already CORRECTED …
These ‘problems’ had been solved years in advance.
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It is indeed a great shame that NASA’s credibility now lies in such tatters, that we may never be inclined to take seriously what it says again.
Here is a short account of a past such event
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of a past such Electromagnetic event.
I’ll bet no one has heard the term “islanding” as it refers to isolating the many interconnected areas of generation for the protection of the ‘tie-lines’ (transmission lines and transformers) making up that system.
I reference this post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2333665/posts?page=153#153
That discusses:
“They already have plans that are put in effect when geomagnetic storms begin to rage due to a very similar effect (when induced currents begin to flow in the high voltage transmission lines on so-called ‘tie lines’ between large generation and load-centers that comprise “the grid”.)”
And these docs: The plan (Training material for system operator in event of Solar Events) pdf format
Against: This Event
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It is clear that Obama needs to pass the Solar Activity Regulation Act immediately, or at least get the EPA to regulate it.
There will be costs, of course, but we must do it for the children.
I could be mistaken but I’m quite sure that this unregulated solar activity started under Bush Jr.
Social Antisocialist says:
June 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I don’t get it. I thought the sun was heating up the earth, not CO2, but the sun has been in a “deep slumber”. What gives? ”
According to Svensmark et al. it’s that very magnetic activity from the Sun ‘though, that protects us from cosmic rays , which are a prime suspect for causing the warming, as explained here:- , so at least it shouldn’t be more air conditioners causing the blackouts.
This is NOT science fiction and we would be well advised to syphon off a fraction of the CAGW money towards protecting our infrastructure against electrical catastrophe, man made or natural, that will surely otherwise devastate us at some unspecfied point within the medium future.
tonyb
This is another consequence of malpractice in science. The real threats, such as solar storms or a possible polar reversal, are being ignored. Satellites can be built to shut down and fold up at the onset signs of a solar flare. But these storms can reach earth in as little as half an hour.
The next line of defense is to have an overstock of launch vehicles to replace satellites that are vital and have lost function. This is not the case because of the military budget cuts this Administration has foolishly persued. We must heed this warning by NASA. Hostile nations are also developing the technology to knock out satellites. Why do you think then-Pres. Bush hit that defunct satellite with a missile? It was to demonstrate that we can do it; and it should be clear that this technology can be acquired by rogue nations.
The deep military cuts will be bitterly regretted in the event of this potential repeat of 1859. But then it will be too late.
An account of some effects from earlier occurrences:-
An account from some earlier occurrences:
http://www.electricalreview.co.uk/news/115145/Here_comes_the_sun.html
PS, I may have mispoke a little, as the actual military budget was not so much reduced but the technological defense capabilities of our nation have been greatly hobbled by Pres Obama.
In other news, Lord Monckton posted on the Thatcher thread
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RE: Billy Liar: (June 17, 2010 at 6:06 am ) “I’ve just consulted my 300-year diagram of international sunspot number to find that the 1856 minimum was neither deep nor long. Perhaps you could tell me where 1856 figures in the league table of minima both by length and depth?”
I have made an Excel plot showing 90-day moving-average smoothed data for every sunspot cycle from 1755 plotted against sunspot cycle 23 with the start of each cycle aligned with the start of sunspot cycle 23 (1996.) On my plot as of late 2009, the smoothed ends of cycle 23 (1996) and cycle 9 (1844) appear to be tracking each other fairly closely.
Wade says:
June 17, 2010 at 2:32 pm
I just happened to catch Joe Bastardi’s blog about this issue.
http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp
I love Joe’s outspokenness. He is not afraid of speaking his mind. (I think that why pro-AGW website’s slander him: when you cannot attack the message, attack the messenger.) There is a whole of good information in his blog post. Just read it please.
He is indeed outspoken, and has this to say about Landsheidt.info
Far more accurate in the prediction of this sunspot cycle has been this site…
http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/50
They are far more accurate in their assessment than what is going on with NASA and NOAA, who seem to re-write and re-do data. Please get on the site and read what they have to say, and how the way NASA is measuring sunspots is not the way we measured them in previous times, just as they are adjusting temperatures from before the satellite age, and then using the satellite measurements to justify warming. You simply can’t change the way you measure things, and then say they are the same. You can’t know that people recording sunspots in the early 1800s would have the same count as you have today, when you can see so much more. In any case, it can’t get much quieter. I have been watching the site…
Hi tonyb,
At “_Jim says: June 17, 2010 at 3:14 pm” is a link to what really happened in 1989 CME. See “The Plan”. Great info. That type of info really makes this whole thing a bit clearer.
Maybe the power companies shouldn’t use the Earth as one of the 3-phase star legs. Saves lots of expensive high-voltage cable but look the vulnerability it leaves open!
Still can’t find how it’s suppose to burn out satellites. Also it is curious that apparently no satellites were damaged in the 1989 CME that brought the grid down, maybe the circuitry is more robust in the older satellites.
The sunspots are starting….
The sunspots are not starting…..
The sunspots are starting………
The sunspots are not starting…..
This would be funny if it wasn’t so sad, does anyone believe any of their predictions any more?
Here’s a thought, what would happen to earth’s temperatures if the core like got a cold so to speak. Would the greenies still denounce the sun as a major climate change and global warming player I wonder.
If everything else was the same except the heat from the earth’s core, what would it really do to the average global temperature? What if it was the other way around, cora is the same but remove the sun? How much does various 300-800 ppm concentrations of CO2 difference make then, after all CO2 retransfer heat from the earth.
June 17, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Randy Westcott June 17, 2010 at 1:04 pm :
At the time of the Y2K affair, I was the systems manager of a daily newspaper. The reality is that we had no problems because of Y2K.
NONE of you ever had a mortgage schedule printed out? Gee, how did they ‘figure’ those dates beyond the year 2000 unless … the LIBRARIES the code had been linked with was already CORRECTED …
These ‘problems’ had been solved years in advance.
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Off topic really, but please let me deal with it.
And what do you do with a legacy machine running PDP-11 assembler and keeping time on a chip that did not have a large enough register to keep time, and date, (the clock) beyond 12/31/2000. It would count up to a certain point and then, overflow city. True story. We had it. The best people in the industry looked at the problem. The way it was setup it was impossible to fix by replacing the component or changing the code. So we lied to the computer by telling it was in 1978 (I think) so it would keep track of the Julian date properly. Then we started looking for a replacement system; but the damned PDP-11 kept running. An industry wide problem. It was an editorial system. The dates for the newspaper banner all came out of the typesetter anyway as someone’s deliberate action on that day and were not dependent on the computer. I think someone eventually found a fix for the problem – maybe with some special hardware.
Someone in the early 80’s built TI minicomputer code that had the date 19XX hard coded. This date issue could make life interesting when the year flips to 2000. Had to be found and changed. Apparently someone could not conceive that the century would change. Things like that. There were some RPG issues. Unix code worked fine. There were a couple of Microsoft problems. No Apple problems that I recall. Applications like dBase and Lotus worked properly. But, some code built in the early 80’s was “lazy” code. The people who programmed those things might have taken the easy way to get a job done, leaving the fixing for someone else.
This was back in the days of the typesetter. Parts of a newspaper page would come out of the typesetter to be pasted up on a full page. You mention a mortgage schedule. If it was to go in the paper then it likely comes in as customer copy, camera ready, and is pasted up on a page for the camera and a plate is made for the press. Or, someone might code a piece for the typesetter using numbers the assistant controller or a wizard (me) worked out on a spreadsheet. There was none of the WYSIWYG business. This world is foreign to most people. In ten years, much has changed.
Let’s get back to Carrington Events.
_Jim says:
June 17, 2010 at 2:57 pm
December 2005. As many as 15% of receivers had reduced reception capability after the event.
This stuff is not hard to find, you know.
Another rabbit trail that takes up peoples time and energy.
Sad, when all a man can do is fear, fear itself! Have any of you ever stood outside in the midst of a raging electrical storm and felt the exhilaration of experiencing the power of nature, of understanding that whatever you think, nature is more powerful and within that power and fury it is a beauty to withhold.
If we are to fear everything that is natural and just might occur, is to lose the opportunity to live in harmony with nature, accept that there will be cruel experiences and some hardship for that is the way of nature.
Science, understanding and theories might give man a puny thought of control, but if the lightning just happens to strike YOU the jigs up! If it misses, you get a second chance – make the most of that opportunity, as maybe your time on this planet wasn’t up!Man is cautious, adapts to the environment, and man survives, and when the time comes that man does not survive, then you and I won’t be concerned with that.
Its wise to take some precautions when dealing with nature, you don’t usually walk about in a storm holding a lightning conductor to lessen you chances of surviving that electrical storm, but also remember, you can cower in a cave and still be drowned or buried under its collapse in a storm or lose life because some other wild animal or reptile sought shelter and needs to survive.
Sometimes man has to accept his place, deal with the cards he has been dealt. You can take all the precautions against your fears, and something completely unexpected will bite you on the B*m!! That’s nature and life, sometimes risk management doesn’t work!!
Regarding the “damaged GPSs” in 2004, 2005, SWMBO and I live on a boat and did at that time. I can vaguely remember something like a “system reset” that was announced in advance and if I remember correctly caused our 2 systems to (gasp) reset.
There was also a software issue on one of our older Garmins maybe a year or two earlier which for some reason cured itself.
But no crashes, sorry guys.
I posted this link above.
It answers a lot of conjecture on previous posts. It’s a PDF document written by a Military (Naval) solar physicist on the causes and effects of major C.M.E.’s
Read it before posting
Solar Storm Threat Analysis
“In a new warning, Nasa said the super storm would hit like “a bolt of lightning” and could cause catastrophic consequences for the world’s health, emergency services and national security unless precautions are taken”
Code for we need to raise your taxes to 70% of your income asap!
Maybe a bit off topic but I don’t think most people realize the amount of food they already have on hand in an emergency. When my wife cornered me into re-organizing the pantry and cabinets once I decided to record all the calories of all edible items (including vegetable oils, flours etc which are edible in an emergency). I came up with around 200,000 calories which would serve 2 people about 3 months (100 days) with no weight loss @ur momisugly 2000 calories each per day. I don’t think that most people realize how much emergency food they already have on hand.
Most electronic items would not be susceptible if turned off or not operating, and one would think that there would be several hours warning for this. Most all military hardware is well protected against spikes of this kind because of required protection from nuclear burst EMP. And commercial aircraft somewhat less so because of requirements for electrical system protection from radio frequency interference.
Northern Exposure says:
June 17, 2010 at 1:30 am
You’re think about little transformers. Consider those on long high voltage runs,
they get strong induced currents, and those can blow out transformers at
generating stations, e.g.
http://www.spacew.com/gic/index.html which says in part:
“The cost to PSE&G for replacing this transformer was on the order of several million U.S. dollars. The cost of replacement energy during the time the transformer was taken out of service was about $400,000 a day for 6 weeks (3), or approximately ~16.8 million dollars. The net cost for PSE&G was therefore over 20 million.”
A photo at that web page shows the destroyed windings on the transformer.
Or, alternatively, it could hit North Korea and turn the lights on?