Book Review – Climatism

I’ve been tardy in reviewing a number of books people have sent to me. Especially this one. So I’m happy to say that William Gray reviews the book Climatism! by Steve Goreham while busy with other things down under. – Anthony

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This is a wonderful, extremely factual, and very timely book on the new ‘ism’ that has sprung forth in recent decades and is now stalking the world (as communism, totalitarianism, religious-isms of the past) namely

CLIMATISM – the irrational belief in human induced climate degradation and the need for world government.

Goreham exposes the political chicanery behind this movement and how the generation of electricity from renewable energy sources will be much more expensive than

electricity from fossil fuels. The book contains many informative figures and tables.

Goreham does a masterful job in portraying the coming global problems we

will have if we let this Climatism disease continue to fester and grow.

This book should be a must read for all those concerned about the development of world government and the globe’s economic future. No one should read or see any of Al Gore’s books or movies without also having to read this book as a realistic antidote.

William M. Gray

Professor Emeritus

Department of Atmospheric Science

Colorado State University

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37 thoughts on “Book Review – Climatism

  1. Just watched a report on one of the keys to Green Energy: Rare Earth Elements.
    Most production is in China, with new deposits being discovered in the NW Territories.`
    Going to get really expensive with China keeping an increasing amount of thier production for themselves.
    Why go to the Moon?
    The Moon has a rock called KREEP.
    Potassium Rare Earth Elements and Phosphorous.

  2. And now Obama is going to make the Gulf spill a reason for more globalism – although he did initially refuse international offers of help.

  3. The world government is the crux
    namely
    CLIMATISM – the irrational belief in human induced climate degradation and the need for world government.

    I would like to point out that the proponent of post normal science, Jerry Ravetz, has written a post on Willis’ thread which is already on page 2.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/07/some-people-claim-that-theres-a-human-to-blame/#comment-409145
    This raising of “global government issues”, is a mainstay of his also,
    # policies for sustainability cannot wait until all the facts are known.
    # We must plan and implement radical changes in technology and lifestyle, in spite of irreducible uncertainty, ignorance, and value-conflicts.
    # The commitment of all of civil society is necessary for such changes to be accomplished; thus sustainability is a moral issue.
    # The relevant knowledge base must be robust in relation to the constraints and demands of this new context of use.

    Jerry Ravetz, 14-08-2002

    from http://www.nusap.net/
    It is chicken little in philosophic terms.
    The chicken little impulse ” we cannot wait until all the facts are in” is part of our DNA:
    we are all descended from forefathers who followed a chicken little impulse because if they had not, they would be dead and not able to propagate their genes.
    Earthquakes, fires, floods, any sudden changes in the physical environment trigger the alarm and people react biologically to the danger, before the brain processes the situation.
    Note that if the chicken little impulse is wrong, and one falls in worse danger, again those genes will not be propagated, so on the whole, the alarms are valuable alarms.
    The difference between the valuable alarms, and the hew and cry raised now with climate is in sudden changes in the physical environment.
    Once the brain is engaged, i.e. the physical environment is not rapidly changing, rational decisions can be taken. What is happening with PNS and climatism, to use the coined term, is to compress time in order to trigger the alarm for immediate response to danger.
    It cannot work.
    One of the other reasons we are here, we are also descendants of people who reasoned independently after the first alarms. The independence gene is very important because otherwise, a wrong decision would exterminate the whole tribe, and there would be no descendants to propagate genes. In a crisis, some would perish some would survive, because they followed independent leaders, and here we are in the present with a multimillion voice on the internet.
    Is global government a good survival decision?
    If we consider the other attempts in history of globalizing power ( to their known global extent) it works for a time and then fades away. Never though was there a point where the decisions taken could be globally catastrophic, because each empire controlled the earth partially.
    With the technology at present, if we do have a global government the analogy would be tribal: the decisions of the leaders would save or destroy the whole tribe.
    For example, suppose they decide to seed the oceans with iron and CO2 eating bacteria, and life disappears.
    Suppose they geo engineer for a heat wave and an ice age arrives on our doorstep.
    Is it really safe for the propagation of human genes to have a world government?
    Or is there survival in diversity?
    Is this what we need?

  4. Big central government armed with total authority has never worked yet still that is the dream and goal for many.
    The subsidy model to aid failing or uneconomic activities has never worked yet and there are many examples of dismal and expensive failure yet that is the aim and goal for many.
    You cannot reinforce failure and expect success and you cannot subsidise failure and expect success and yet there are many in the west who still believe it will work.
    Capitalism works, it builds on success and punishes failure, it thrives on competition and free market adventurism because the incentives are there. We should foster and encourage independence and self reliance and self confidence, the US was built on it and the rise of the US was never built on big government but its decline will be because of big government!
    The political classes and especially the leftist political classes hate freedom and capitlaism because it empowers and it frees the masses, a confident and independent happy population has no need of a big authoritarian bullying intefering government which thrives on poor frightened jealous subjects.
    The USA was built on the true capitalist model and it became the best and wealthiest nation with a high standard of living, its decline coincided with a move to centralised authoritarian big government and the decline will continue as the power of government increases. The European decline was exactly the same and the US looks as if it will follow the example set by Europe rather than learn by it.
    The USSR failed, its centrally planned economy run by economists and politicians failed utterly to provide for their population but rather than learn from this failure the west seems to be trying to recreate the very essence of that failed experiment.
    Unless the good people of the USA wake up and strangle the monster within there is no hope for any of us.

  5. It surprises that Prof. William M. Gray laudates a book that seems to have little, if anything to say about water and the oceans (according a look at the ToC), although he seems to assume that “Climate Change: (is) Driven by the Ocean not Human Activity” (Heartland Institute Conference on Climate Change.March 8-10, 2009; http://www.heartland.org/custom/semod_policybot/pdf/24891.pdf )
    concluding that : deep ocean circulation offers the best explanation for the global
    temperature changes of the last century. Instead, Steve Goreham has a Chapter 5 called “The sun is our climate driver” . The sun is the basis for getting the system warmer than minus 200°C, but the sun is not the driver of our average weather (climate) but water, and if we talk about water on this planet, we talk about the oceans and seas, which means one could and should define: “CLIMATE is the continuation of the oceans by other means”; (more at: http://www.whatisclimate.com/ ), which would comply with W.M. Gray’s thesis of what made the temperatures to change during the last century, and a notion by Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519): “Water is the driver of nature”.

  6. It is somewhat bizarre that the US begins to look more and more totalitarian and China to look more and more capitalist.

  7. Cassandra King says:
    June 14, 2010 at 11:19 pm
    Capitalism works, it builds on success and punishes failure.
    Only for the short term. It is unsustainable as it creates classes of haves and have nots by affordiblity. Too much corruption and profiteering has pushed productivity to producing junk at maximum profit.
    Fixing the energy problem is not that difficult BUT it is not being looked at as there is no profitability in it. Science made the wrong turn and is only survivable by government hand outs. Too much fiction taken as facts with LAWS that are suppose to be 100% accurate. These fall apart when time lines are changed and the actual energy differences are included.
    The medical profession learned profitablity in human research for medicines and they also recieve hefty subsities as well.
    Food prices will be skyrocketing due to the many flooded areas we have had this year and cooler temperatures that slow down growth and production.
    Due to capitalism, every country has massive debt and are hungry for captial to reduce this debt (mind you some countries are still spending). Were is this money going to be coming from?

  8. Joe Lalonde,
    What you are describing is not capitalism. It is Big Government profligacy and the deliberate wasting of taxpayer assets for political opportunism — AKA Fascism: government control of the means of production.
    Unless of course you think that Obama’s replacing of GM’s CEO with his personal pick, and packing the GM Board with Obama’s Directors, and flooding GM with taxpayer $Billions, is the result of a company competing with other companies in an unfettered free market…

  9. Smokey,
    Capitalism is only looked at if their is a profit in it.
    Too many processes and regulations have killed many jobs as now the companies cannot compete against other companies that have free rein on the world stage.
    I’ll show you capitalism at it’s finest.
    Let’s say you had a turbine 18 times more efficient. It went before engineers and a hydro company board and would like to used by that hydro company.
    Now you go to manufacturers and they flatly state that they are currently happy with the client base they have. What do you get from this?
    One that the current turbines are very inefficent and two, they get more profit producing 18 turbines compared to one.

  10. Joe Lalonde says:June 15, 2010 at 4:32 am
    Only for the short term. It is unsustainable as it creates classes of haves and have nots by affordiblity.

    Whaaaat? Haves and have nots are created by their own actions in capitalism. And sometimes by government largesse (as in windmill subsidies), which is not capitalism. That’s socialism, and it creates an egalitarian society at a much diminished equilibrium.
    Food prices will be skyrocketing due to the many flooded areas we have had this year and cooler temperatures that slow down growth and production.
    Whaaaat? The old CBOT traders pit adage of “Rain makes grain” sounds simplistic, but I thought perhaps you could understand it. Call up your broker and ask him where he thinks grain prices are headed. But let me explain the economics; if the prices are going down, that means we have a good supply. And all major grain crops are affecteed by heat stress at inappropriate times. Say, late July – early August. Are you predicting the weather?
    Due to capitalism, every country has massive debt and are hungry for captial to reduce this debt (mind you some countries are still spending). Were is this money going to be coming from?
    Whaaaaat? Government spending and debt is capitalism? Our debt load in the USA is directly related to social programs to take care of people who made poor decisions. But who can blame them, they obviously had the same government education you received.

  11. Joe Lalonde says:
    June 15, 2010 at 4:32 am
    Cassandra King says:
    June 14, 2010 at 11:19 pm
    Capitalism works, it builds on success and punishes failure.
    Only for the short term. It is unsustainable as it creates classes of haves and have nots by affordiblity. Too much corruption and profiteering has pushed productivity to producing junk at maximum profit.
    Fixing the energy problem is not that difficult BUT it is not being looked at as there is no profitability in it. Science made the wrong turn and is only survivable by government hand outs. Too much fiction taken as facts with LAWS that are suppose to be 100% accurate. These fall apart when time lines are changed and the actual energy differences are included.
    The medical profession learned profitablity in human research for medicines and they also recieve hefty subsities as well.
    Food prices will be skyrocketing due to the many flooded areas we have had this year and cooler temperatures that slow down growth and production.
    Due to capitalism, every country has massive debt and are hungry for captial to reduce this debt (mind you some countries are still spending). Were is this money going to be coming from?

    No Joe, it’s socialism in it’s various forms which create permanent classes within society. The new elite is the government bureaucrats and apparatchiks. The new peasants is everyone else.
    Government interference in the market is not capitalism. Big government is not capitalism. It’s socialism that created those massive debts. Capitalism provides capital. Socialism destroys it.
    It’s amazing that you are advocating the very things that will keep people impoverished and dependent forever. Free markets — true free markets — allow people to rise out of poverty. Hard work and innovation are rewarded in a capitalist system and things which don’t work are properly allowed to fail. To help the poor, start with individual rights, which include not only free speech, but economic rights such as property rights (among others).
    Do you care about the environment? Poor people don’t. Get people out of poverty and they start caring more and more about the environment. Wealthier people also have the means to clean up the environment and can afford green energy. Poor people are so busy working to survive that they have no time or money for environmental causes.

  12. Deja vu? Manmade global warming would be far more believeable if the only solution was not the creation of a global government run by unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable, & most importantly, unsackable, Marxist Socialist interlectual elitists, who would arbitrarily decide who gets what, when, & how! Just like it is in the good old wealthy, healthy, dynamic, driving, liberated, Peoples Democratic Republic of the European Onion! (No, that’s not a typo, when I scratch the surface it brings me to tears!!!!!!!!) How many people died in the name of freedom & democracy in WWII only to have it all but removed within 60 years, & the poor old ex Soviet satellite states have only known freedom for barely 20 years. What a waste I sometimes think.
    We can’t use strychnine to kill moles any more, we have to ask them politely to go away. We can’t treat the ground with sodium chlorate any more, we have to kill the weeds not the soil, when killing the soil is often the only way top resolve a problem, (& it only lasted for a few months in any case before vegetation regrew). We’re forced to use mercury-vapour filled light bulbs of dubious benefit, they don’t all seem to last for a long time, they may use less energy than incandescent bulbs but only use pence worths of juice in the electricity bill. The PDR of the EU bans more stuff than anyone in the world, all because it knows best, allegedly.

  13. CLIMATISM – the irrational belief in human induced climate degradation and the need for world government
    or
    CLIMATISM- the irrational degradation of a few men as to believe they can govern upon us, making us believe we are to blame for a supposed Global Warming.
    Don’t fool yourselves buddies, you’ll end up the same as the last time…..remember?

  14. Joe Lalonde says:
    June 15, 2010 at 4:32 am
    Cassandra King says:
    June 14, 2010 at 11:19 pm
    Capitalism works, it builds on success and punishes failure.
    Only for the short term. It is unsustainable as it creates classes of haves and have nots by affordiblity. Too much corruption and profiteering has pushed productivity to producing junk at maximum profit…..
    __________________________________________________________________
    NEVER EVER make the mistake of thinking corporations are pro-capitalism, they are not. They are pro-Corportism where they can use government regulation to stifle competition.
    You and many others confuse Corporatism with Capitalism In the simplist terms the “capital” or wealth of an individual is reinvested to produce more wealth. For example a farmer saves part of his wheat crop to plant the next spring and produce more wheat.
    Small independent capitalists are the stability factor in any country:
    ” The Socialist Revolution in the US cannot take place because there are too many small independent farmers [capitalists] there. Those people are the stability factor. We here in Russia must hurry while our government is stupid enough to not encourage and support the independent farmership.” V. Lenin, the founder of the Russian revolution
    Corporatism in the USA and EU is a mega-corporation/government partnership that uses government regulation to suppress individual capitalism. (see the World Trade Organization” )
    In the USA we have Corporate cartels running the government bureauracies for their own benefit through the government-industry revolving door The laws themselves are written by the corporations through the lobbyist Revolving Door
    EXAMPLE:
    Corporatism at work in the food industry
    History of the Committee for Economic Development’s campaign to drive independent Americans into becoming “wage slaves”

  15. Joe Lalonde says:
    June 15, 2010 at 5:25 am
    I’ll show you capitalism at it’s finest.
    Let’s say you had a turbine 18 times more efficient. It went before engineers and a hydro company board and would like to used by that hydro company.
    Now you go to manufacturers and they flatly state that they are currently happy with the client base they have. What do you get from this?
    One that the current turbines are very inefficent and two, they get more profit producing 18 turbines compared to one.

    You make the silly assumption that no manufacturer anywhere would be willing to produce that turbine, when the truth is there will always be manufacturers who are willing to produce something innovative. That is, after all, how new products emerge. Now, just what do you think happens to a companies’ client base, after they’ve refused to produce the new turbine, and some upstart company starts producing this new, more cost-effective product?
    Yes, capitalism isn’t perfect and is subject to abuse as are the others, but it is the best economic system around. You can bank on it.

  16. I like to read the comments section when it stays on the topic of science. I don’t think a back-to-back ideological discussion about capitalism and socialism is appropriate here. But hey, it’s not my blog.

  17. We need these books.
    Joe Romms book STRAIGHT UP is ranked 78,462 on amazon
    Brian Sussman’s CLIMATEgate is ranked #668
    If the new Cap and tax bill suceeds, we will have to import food and manufactured goods and stay at home. 80% decrease in CO2 is going to kill the economy.

  18. Capitalism rewards the successful and offers all the chance to succeed , while socialism rewards the failures and discourages success .
    Just look at where the hordes of migrants are coming from and going to.

  19. Corporatism is not something that you can quantify. What happened in the food industry was nothing but price controls and government intervention into the industry. Let me explain it from my father in-laws point of view. He was a farmer for many years and he could not compete with large corporations because price controls on food meant only large corporate farms can sell for a profit. He had to declare bankrupcy, sell the farm, and retire basically because the one thing he even went to college for was out of his hands.
    The price controls already in effect destroy any chance that farmers can make it, its all about corporate farms. My mother-in laws farm is a family run farm that basically combines about 10 farms into an industry that actually works. They use share-croppers and paid farmers to farm their land and make a little money on the side from this. This is the truth of farming, in that unless you are independently wealthy, you can not make money farming unless you have a huge industrial style farm.
    What else destroyed farming? Well we can start with seeds as well. Corporations were allowed to patent seeds that were genetically modified and made it so you HAD to buy the seeds every year from that same company because otherwise they would sue you. This might be taken as part of the so-called corpatism, but it goes back to government taking away liberty and rights of individuals moreso then corporations controlling things.
    Then pesticides. The environmental movement outlawed the best pesticides over the years and made it so farmers had to use unhealthier alternatives. You just can’t plant crops and do a dance and stop insects from destroying them. There is no alternative. My father-in-laws arms are dyed orange to this day from these pesticides and he won’t even talk about what they did to him physically. Environmental regulations may be made in good faith in the food products that farmers make, but no one ever asks the small farmer what does it do to him?
    And now what is really messing farming up as many can tell you is ethanol production. Now, corn, soy and other products can be sold outside of price controls, so every farmer is trying to make deals to sell these for more so that they can survive. Unfortunatly, Government regulations make it so only the corporations which were first created by socialist policies can survive.
    If you want to look at what farming is today, you have to look at what price controls did to the small farmer. Saying anything else is just missing the point with farming and not doing historical research into what really happened there.

  20. Capitalism was a word invented by Marxists (Marx). It refers a scenario invented by Marx whereby the working class would become impoverished. This has not happened. The economies of the West are based on free enterprise but are under continual attack from govt regulation and interference as prescribed by the socialist model of society. Of course, govts interfere. That’s what they do. They have to be seen to doing something. So Govts think they can control everything; this is called fascism. Govts do have a role. Laws should be enacted that people should not be cheated are put in danger. Laws should be enacted to protect people and their property. The question always is how far should the law go to protect people? Those of the fascist tendency will always vote for more law to regulate. (To give a minor example; I was eating my toast on the main bus station in my town when a council worker came to me and told me that that that the council had banned eating food on the bus station. I will not repeat my reply for it is not fit for family viewing.)
    I repeat, there is a role for Govt. to ensure that people are not swindled or endangered by the goods they buy but by and large, the Govt should stay out of the market and let free enterprise reign.
    You may think this is a little off topic but windfarms are a classic example of Govt thinking. We subsidise them with our tax pounds for them to produce very little. This begs the question of who benefits? What civil servant is getting a nice job on the board of a wind farm company?

  21. Gail Combs seems to have stolen my notes on the difference between capitalism and corporatism. A few months ago, I was teaching a French woman about how powerful people gain their power and then use it to become more powerful. One of my main points was the difference between capitalists’ thinking and corporatists’ thinking. The best analogy was that capitalists are like pirates who will risk everything including their own lives to gain wealth and who become so focused that the end validates their whole life.
    Corporatists, on the other hand, believe risk to be poison, and they will use every means at their disposal to eliminate risk in order to achieve a guaranteed result, up to and including destroying every rival operating in the same sphere as themselves by fair means or foul, altering or making new laws, etc whilst hiding their actions beneath a PR sheen of community respectability.

  22. Kate says:
    June 15, 2010 at 11:01 am
    Gail Combs seems to have stolen my notes on the difference between capitalism and corporatism….. The best analogy was that capitalists are like pirates who will risk everything including their own lives to gain wealth and who become so focused that the end validates their whole life.
    __________________________________________________________________
    Actually you are missing who the capitalists really are. They are the farmer who grows veggies and sells them at a street side stand, the lady next door who baby sits other people’s children, the guy who sets up next to me at the farmers market selling hand made furniture, (very nice too) my neighbor who runs a car repair shop, a friend who does office and home cleaning, a friend who raises sheep and goats and sell home made cheese and hand dyed home spun yarn, a friend who repairs player pianos, a friend who builds harps and dulcimers, a friend with a machine shop who “hand” makes parts for classic cars.
    CAPITALISTS MAKE and sell goods and services. They are not thieves, like the central bankers and their political buddies who feed off public taxes. 100% of US personal taxes go to the central bankers
    In the USA Small firms:
    “• Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
    • Employ just over half of all private sector employees.
    • Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
    • Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past
    15 years.
    • Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domes-
    tic product (GDP).
    • Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists,
    engineers, and computer programmers).
    • Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
    • Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and pro-
    duced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.
    • Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large
    patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large
    firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.”

    http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/sbfaq.pdf
    In other words “too big to fail” is a crock because the huge companies are inefficient and use political clout and regulations to keep the small firms from being competitive.

  23. As polls seem to be showing that belief in the impending danger multiple global warming catastrophes is still strong among those traditionally suspicious ‘big business’ and ‘big money,’ I think the real measure of the effectiveness of an anti-AGW crisis book is the degree that it will be popular with those on the left. I make this statement as a general comment, as I have no idea how Steve Goreham’s book meets this criteria.
    Climatism by Steve Goreham; Current Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #6,671 in Books, rated 4.5 out of 5.

  24. Gail Combs says:
    June 15, 2010 at 8:13 am
    Kate says:
    June 15, 2010 at 11:01 am
    Thank you both!
    I have moved on now from capitalism/corporatism.
    Made my own world called it “Joe’s World”. A place I can rant and rave to my hearts desire. Give me a shake when something exciting happens, eh?

  25. The fundamental concepts of government should be based on the sciences metaphysics, epistemology and ethics … The three essential underpinnings of a rational politics (science of government). There are two main traditions in Western philososophy and they were both well represented at the time of Plato & Aristotle. The former leads to Marxism (and all its related ‘isms’and it is the dominate tradition in modern universities. Look no further than philosophy depts at universities for the past ~50+ years to explain the current popularity among intellectuals for world gov’t. I am a fan of the later tradition . Yeah.
    John

  26. ArndB says:
    June 15, 2010 at 1:21 am
    It surprises that Prof. William M. Gray laudates a book that seems to have little, if anything to say about water and the oceans (according a look at the ToC),

    I have the book. It gives due weight to the oceanic cycles on pages 70-78, citing primarily Akasofu. But I agree that its main explanation, unfortunately, is on solar forcing.
    Nevertheless, the major part of the book, which makes it so valuable, is its even-toned, deadly criticism of alarmist science, disaster-predictions, and mitigation-prescriptions.

  27. We could have had a V-8… guess its now a few hundred years too late for that.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative?wasRedirected=true
    Fox News should have a WUWT program so the world can get a look at the other sides of the AGW debate. Many don’t even know that there is a substantial other side.
    They could replace Huckabee with it, wouldn’t bother me.
    Great post…
    Aren’t ocean cycles the result of solar eventually? Or presence/lack of something reducing solar, like stratosphere reaching volcano plumes and the cloud cover dirty eruptions assist with producing?
    I’ve tried to tease a solar cycle/eruptions connection, Robert, but can’t. Ocean cycles though seem to cold phase after groups of larger eruptions and warm phase on lack. Will look at it some more, after some fishing trips though.

  28. Roger Knights says: June 15, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    “I have the book. It gives due weight to the
    oceanic cycles on pages 70-78, citing primarily Akasofu.
    Thanks a lot for your information, I will try to get hold of the full text. Syun-Ichi Akasofu, demonstrates convincingly that the discussed warming has presumably little if anything to do with CO2, in his paper “Two Natural Components of the Recent Climate Change: (1) The Recovery from the Little Ice Age; (2) The Multi-decadal Oscillation “ , saying that global temperature increase seems to have started in 1800–1850, and that 150~200-year-long linear warming trend is likely to be a natural change, with a positive trend from 1910 to 1940, and a negative from 1940 to 1975.
    The first event was primarily the early Arctic warming from winter 1918/19 to winter 1939/40 (more at: http://www.arctic-heats-up.com/ ) and the global cooling from 1940 to mid 1970s, which started with three record cold winters in Europe (more at: http://climate-ocean.com/ ). Unfortunately Akasofu misses the important aspect that the early temperature rise started exactly in winter 1918/19 and at Spitsbergen, where warm water enters the Arctic Ocean, which also marked the end of WWI, and that the cooling commenced simultaneously with WWII since September 1939. In both cases the seas and oceans spaces in Northern Europe had been under severe stress by naval war activities. The changes 1919 & 1940 could well have been push-started by human activities, showing that the oceans matter most, and that seeking the “mechanism” in natural variability, the sun, or ocean cycles, will delay a better understanding of the oceans an seas.

  29. No. No I will not accept the concurrent end of WWI/start of WWII with those changes: The 66 year short term cycle goes back before the 1900’s, and is continuing now through a peak period. There is not enough energy in ships to affect even the local tide in a local harbor.
    Are we at the top of the combined 800 year Roman Warm Period, Dark Ages, Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age, Modern Warming Period plus the latest 66 year solar cycle? Or do we have one more 66 year short cycle to go?

  30. “Trust us. We know what’s good for you. ”
    (Central Bureau for Truth and Good Government.)

  31. RACookPE1978 says: June 16, 2010 at 4:58 am
    ___(1) No. No I will not accept the concurrent end of WWI/start of WWII with those changes: ….
    ___(2) There is not enough energy in ships to affect even the local tide in a local harbor.
    Reply to (1) : Any convincing explanation of the climatic shifts at the end of the 1910s and the early 1940s is most welcome, non is sufficiently explained yet. NO, NO is bringing the issue not any further. Here is a corresponding poster concerning the Arctic warming presented at the AGU Meeting in Dec. 2010; http://www.arctic-warming.com/poster.pdf (1MB), or see here: http://www.arctic-warming.com
    Reply (2) None of the points mentioned has anything to do with the two climatic shifts, which is about churning the sea-surface layer to a considerable depth, (particularly sufficient in autumn in Northern Europe’s seas), or may transfer colder deep water to the surface (Atlantic and Pacific), and/or is changing the salinity structure. Here are corresponding abstracts and posters concerning Europe 1939-42 and the Pacific 1942-45: http://www.oceanclimate.de/ displayed at PACON 2010 in Hilo.
    The naval war thesis is thoroughly explained in the reference here and mentioned in the pervious comment, but good arguments are welcome.

  32. Sounds good! However, I think Gorham himself is perhaps overly alarmist in his introduction:

    Many prominent persons have accepted the belief system of Climatism.
    These include almost all heads of state and 95% of the world’s
    politicians.

    Given the votes in the House on Cap’n Trade, and in the Senate on the EPA ruling, more like 51-55% of US politicans are Climatists.

  33. RE: Hu McCulloch says: (June 16, 2010 at 8:43 am) “Given the votes in the House on Cap’n Trade, and in the Senate on the EPA ruling, more like 51-55% of US politicans are Climatists.”
    Perhaps some of them find that re-electionism trumps Climatism… I am still not so sure that one Saturday morning’s news will not contain a small item saying the U.S. Senate, in a late night surprise special session, had finally passed the ‘Waxman Markey Clean Energy Management Act’ as part of a complicated deal worked out with the White House.

  34. Hu McCulloch says:
    June 16, 2010 at 8:43 am
    Sounds good! However, I think Gorham himself is perhaps overly alarmist in his introduction:

    Many prominent persons have accepted the belief system of Climatism.
    These include almost all heads of state and 95% of the world’s
    politicians.

    Given the votes in the House on Cap’n Trade, and in the Senate on the EPA ruling, more like 51-55% of US politicians are Climatists.

    Oh, but the Senate vote was ostensibly only about whether the EPA should in effect be allowed to be making policy on this issue rather than Congress. As for the House vote, few of the opponents of Cap and Trade would have said (publicly) that they disbelieved in global warming; they mostly said (I don’t remember exactly though) that it wasn’t the time to do this (in a recession), or that it would cost too much, or that some other means should be used, etc.

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