Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Inspired by this thread over at Bishop Hill’s excellent blog, I thought I’d write about sea ice. Among the many catastrophic things claimed to be the result of “global warming”, declining sea ice is one of the most popular. We see scary graphics of this all the time, things that look like this:
FIgure 1. Terrifying computer projections showing that we may not have any Arctic sea ice before the end of this century. Clearly, the implication is that we should be very concerned … SOURCE
Now, what’s wrong with this picture?
The problem with the picture is that the earth has two poles. And for reasons which are not well understood, when one pole warms, the other pole cools.
Looking at just the Arctic sea ice is like looking at someone who is pouring water from one glass to another and back again. If we want to see how much water there is, it is useless to observe just one of the person’s hands. We need to look at both hands to see what is happening with the water.
Similarly, to see what is happening in the frozen parts of the ocean, we need to look at global sea ice. There are several records of the area of sea ice. One is the Reynolds Optimally Interpolated dataset (Reynolds OI V2). A second is the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) record. Finally, we have the Hadcrut Ice and Sea Surface Temperature dataset (HadISST1). All of them are available from that most marvellous resource, the KNMI data portal .
It turns out that the NSIDC and the HadISST1 records are nearly identical. The correlation between the two in the Arctic is 0.995 (1.0 is perfect agreement), and in the Antarctic it is 0.999. So in Fig. 2, I have not shown the NSIDC dataset, but you can imagine that there is a third record almost identical to the HadISST1 dataset. Here is what has happened to the global sea ice area from 1982 to the present:
FIgure 2. Global Sea Ice Area 1982-present. Data from satellite observations.
As you can see, while it is certainly true that the Arctic has been losing ice, the Antarctic has been gaining ice. And the total global sea ice has barely changed at all over the period of the record. It goes up a little, it goes down a little, it goes nowhere …
Why should the Antarctic warm when the Arctic cools? The short answer is that we don’t know, although it happens at both short and long time scales. A recent article in Science Magazine Online (subscription required) says:
Eddies and the Seesaw
A series of warm episodes, each lasting several thousand years, occurred in Antarctica between 90,000 and 30,000 years ago. These events correlated with rapid climate oscillations in the Arctic, with Antarctica warming while the Arctic was cooling or already cold. This bipolar seesaw is thought to have been driven by changes in the strength of the deep overturning circulation in the North Atlantic Ocean, but some have questioned how completely that process can account for the fine details of Antarctic warming events.
Keeling and Visbeck offer an explanation that builds upon earlier suggestions that include the effects of shallow-water processes as well as deep ones. They suggest that changes in the surface salinity gradient across the Antarctic Circumpolar Current were caused by the melting of icebergs discharged from the Arctic, which allowed increased heat transport to Antarctica by ocean eddies. This mechanism produces Antarctic warming of the magnitude observed in ice core records.
However, not everyone agrees that this is the full explanation. Henrik Svensmark adds another factor to what may be happening:
The cosmic-ray and cloud-forcing hypothesis therefore predicts that temperature changes in Antarctica should be opposite in sign to changes in temperature in the rest of the world. This is exactly what is observed, in a well-known phenomenon that some geophysicists have called the polar see-saw, but for which “the Antarctic climate anomaly” seems a better name (Svensmark 2007).
To account for evidence spanning many thousands of years from drilling sites in Antarctica and Greenland, which show many episodes of climate change going in opposite directions, ad hoc hypotheses on offer involve major reorganization of ocean currents. While they might be possible explanations for low-resolution climate records, with error-bars of centuries, they cannot begin to explain the rapid operation of the Antarctic climate anomaly from decade to decade as seen in the 20th century (figure 6). Cloud forcing is by far the most economical explanation of the anomaly on all timescales.
Regardless of why the polar see-saw is happening, it is a real phenomenon. Ignoring it by looking just at the Arctic leads to unwarranted conclusions about what is happening to sea ice on our most amazing planet. We have to look at both hands, we have to include the other side of the ice, to see the full situation. The real answer to what is happening to global sea ice is …
Nothing.


DMI shows Arctic ice extent once again breaking their all-time record.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
Great links, Steve. Love the “death spiraled above the 30 year mean”.
Al Gored (18:04:00) :
There is at least as much BS about bears and ‘endangered species’ as there is about AGW, thanks to the new politicized pseudoscience called ‘Conservation Biology.’ Their grand plan is called ‘Rewilding.’ Google and gasp!
Their parents in the NJDEP decided that timber rattlesnakes needed to be “re-introduced” into the New Jersey Pine Barrens, so in about 1978, or thereabouts, they did.
In October.
The only snakes that didn’t freeze to death the first night survived because they took shelter beneath people’s houses, or in their tool sheds, with predictable results when folks found them in the next few days.
The EcoLoonies decided that, because they couldn’t find any rattlers the following spring, the snakes were evidently too-well camouflaged to see, and declared the experiment so successful that they’d proceed with their follow-up plan of “re-introducing” black bears.
Local apiarists notified NJDEP that the first bear they saw would be shot, as would any NJDEP personnel accompanying it.
The Pine Barrens remains bear-free to this day.
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_area.png
It will be ‘delightful’ if it remains tracking above 2009 into ~July. It would do a lot to drive the wooden stake even deeper into the evil little ‘heart’ of the Gore mongers.
Dunno where to put this… and many of you might already be aware of it anyway…
For those following the CLOUD experiment at CERN, the team published a paper in ACP last month regarding the test chamber run they undertook in 2006 (CLOUD-06). This was merely designed to gather data for the final design of the CLOUD chamber (CLOUD-09) which was installed at CERN last year.
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/10/1635/2010/acp-10-1635-2010.html
This confirms the suggestive evidence for ion-induced nucleation or ion-ion recombination gathered from the CLOUD-6 experiment which Kirby mentioned during his CERN presentation last year.
max_b (05:16:29) :
the team published a paper in ACP last month […]
This confirms the suggestive evidence for ion-induced …
Nowhere does it say ‘confirm’. The most enthusiastic statement is this: “…provide(s) suggestive evidence…”
Steve Goddard (21:33:01) :
DMI shows Arctic ice extent once again breaking their all-time record.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
While ice area (Willis’s preferred metric) continues to go down:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.recent.arctic.png
Now 0.226 Mm^2 below the maximum earlier this month.
The increase in extent is largely due to the wind driving a large amount of fragmented ice beyond Svalbard.
So the concentration of sea ice is dropping: 13.585/14.406=94%
Phil. (10:19:48) :,
Ice area is not affected by the wind, and is above normal.
Leif Svalgaard (10:08:03) :
Nowhere does it say ‘confirm’. The most enthusiastic statement is this: “…provide(s) suggestive evidence…”
Exactly… duh, read what I wrote… again… lol… It’s meant to read as ‘confirming what Kirby mentioned in his presentation last year’, NOT your interpretation that it confirms ion-induced nucleation… although I can see how you might interpret it as that if brain was not fully engaged.
max_b (10:40:29) :
It’s meant to read as ‘confirming what Kirby mentioned in his presentation last year’,
What you wrote was: “This [the paper, presumably] confirms the suggestive evidence for ion-induced”.
This is very clearly stated. And is not at all about parroting what Kirby said. The paper does not ‘confirm’ the suggestive evidence; it provides the ‘suggestion’. You are trying to say that the existence of the paper proves that Kirby was telling the truth when he said there was ‘suggestive evidence’. I would assume that Kirby was always telling the truth about that, but perhaps you were not so sure and are now gratified [by seeing the paper] that indeed he was.
Steve Goddard – about the USGS…
Here’s the cover letter for…
FIRST SCIENTIFIC FORECAST OF POLAR BEAR POPULATION
March 30, 2008
Please find attached the latest version of our audit paper on the USGS reports regarding the forecasts of polar bear population.
Our paper is now accepted for publication in the professional journal, Interfaces, subject to further revision (according to the editor Professor Jeff Camm; Jeff.Camm@uc.edu).
This is indeed the first peer-reviewed publication on this specific question about scientific forecast of polar bear population.
We openly invited the key authors of USGS reports to offer critique on our findings; but thus far received none.
Thank you,
Dr. Willie Soon
Astro Physicist Smithsonian-Harvard Institute Boston
Contact Info:
J. Scott Armstrong
Professor of Marketing, 747 Huntsman, The Wharton School, U. of PA,
Phila, PA 19104
http://www.jscottarmstrong.com
——
They’re not polar bear ‘experts’ but rather modeling experts. Note that the USGS did not respond. Guess why?
You can find this paper at:
http://www.forecastingprinciples.com/Public_Policy/PolBears.pdf
Bill Tuttle – Sounds familiar. But although there are no black bears in the pine barrens the NJ black bear population has recovered astronomically to the point, as I’m sure you know, they have recently had hunting seasons to cull the population and problem bears are now a problem.
There are apparently 3500 of them in the state now!
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/…/scientists_say_black_bear_popu.html
Far cry from their status in 1977 when there were only an estimated 30 in the (northern part of) the state (Burk, D. (ed) 1979. The Black Bear in Modern North America. Proceedings of the Workshop on the Management Biology of North American Black Bear, Boone and Crockett Club).
And that is 30 more than there were earlier. Its another conservation success story that those in the perpetual eco-crisis industry never want to talk about.
Well Dr. Svalgaard, I did not realize that astrophysicits had such a sense of humour!
http://amandabauer.blogspot.com/2010/03/dirty-space-news.html
Steve Goddard (10:35:17) :
Phil. (10:19:48) :,
Ice area is not affected by the wind, and is above normal.
Afraid not:
Today 13.586, average for day 13.845, this year’s maximum 13.812 on March 7th.
Steve Goddard (22:59:43) :
Anu,
Arctic ice is thickening over the last two years, not thinning – and is now above normal in extent as well.
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_area.png
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I didn’t see this response before.
I’m pretty sure the graph you gave just shows ice area, and has nothing to do with multiyear/firstyear ice (well, it includes them both).
See http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic
As for multiyear ice, they show images of it, but I haven’t seen any graphs of Multiyear area or extent:
http://saf.met.no/p/ice/nh/type/imgs/OSI_HL_SAF_201003311200_pal.jpg
This is something that could be pulled out of the images, except for those ‘ambiguous’ pixels.
I would bet the multiyear ice is still below the 1979-2008 mean, but I’ve lost bets before…
Leif Svalgaard (11:00:43) :
You are trying to say that the existence of the paper proves that Kirby was telling the truth when he said there was ’suggestive evidence’. I would assume that Kirby was always telling the truth about that, but perhaps you were not so sure and are now gratified [by seeing the paper] that indeed he was.
Not my choice of words, but hey… if you feel it’s important for you rewrite what I wrote, go ahead… 🙂
I was more interested in the paper…
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/10/1635/2010/acp-10-1635-2010.html
max_b (08:43:30) :
go ahead…
I hear you: you are just confirming that Kirby confirmed that the paper ‘provided suggestive evidence’; their main finding was the importance of keeping the chamber clean.
“”” Al Gored (15:14:27) :
Steve Goddard – about the USGS…
Here’s the cover letter for…
FIRST SCIENTIFIC FORECAST OF POLAR BEAR POPULATION
March 30, 2008
Please find attached the latest version of our audit paper on the USGS reports regarding the forecasts of polar bear population.
Our paper is now accepted for publication in the professional journal, Interfaces, subject to further revision (according to the editor Professor Jeff Camm; Jeff.Camm@uc.edu).
This is indeed the first peer-reviewed publication on this specific question about scientific forecast of polar bear population.
We openly invited the key authors of USGS reports to offer critique on our findings; but thus far received none.
Thank you,
Dr. Willie Soon
Astro Physicist Smithsonian-Harvard Institute Boston
Contact Info:
J. Scott Armstrong
Professor of Marketing, 747 Huntsman, The Wharton School, U. of PA,
Phila, PA 19104
http://www.jscottarmstrong.com
——
They’re not polar bear ‘experts’ but rather modeling experts. Note that the USGS did not respond. Guess why ? “””
Seems obvious to me.
Because the USGS aren’t Polar Bear Experts either.
Leif Svalgaard (09:07:03) :
“…the paper ‘provided suggestive evidence’…”
I think you’ve just about nailed it with this version…
max_b (12:45:12) :
Leif Svalgaard (09:07:03) :
“…the paper ‘provided suggestive evidence’…”
I think you’ve just about nailed it with this version…
Which does not differ from the original:
Dr. Svalgaard and others, this is getting irritating. Almost every post I write you and others try to hijack it for a discussion of cosmic rays. I am interested in cosmic rays, even fascinated, but my posts on very different topics are not the place for it.
And max_b, the next time you “dunno where to put this”, don’t put it in a post that has nothing to do with what you want to discuss. For starters, look for a post with the words “cosmic rays” in it somewhere, that’s a good clue. There are dozens of them on the web, Google is your friend.
Take it somewhere else, all of you, and stop trying to take over other people’s posts. It is markedly impolite, and I have asked you to stop doing it several times in various of my other posts.
Signed,
Willis the Merciless
Leif Svalgaard (13:19:11) :
[snip – no more cosmic rays, take it to a cosmic post somewhere else]
Willis Eschenbach (15:07:33) :
Dr. Svalgaard and others, this is getting irritating.
I agree, cosmic rays, polar bears, albedo, etc, have little to do with the evolution of the ice cover …
Or perhaps everything is connected to everything and all is relevant.
But, the moderator always wins 🙂
You have to moderate hard at the very beginning of the topic drift if you want to moderate at all.
Reply: Topic drift has not been a priority in moderation. Perhaps it should be. In my pre WUWT experience I ran boards where topic drift was a major part of the charm, so by nature I tend to be lax, but with a half dozen moderators, topic drift is a tricky issue. I will ponder with Anthony. ~ ctm
Leif Svalgaard (17:35:55) :
topic drift is a tricky issue. I will ponder with Anthony. ~ ctm
My own view is strict moderation, a la Steve McIntyre, but this is hard to do and might not always be best.
Reply: My moderation style is kinda like my party so you have extra insight now. ~ ctm
Leif Svalgaard (17:55:45) : edit
Sorry I missed the party, no transport. I can imagine, however …
I generally don’t mind some thread drift, but IIRC this the the third post that I’ve written that has been swamped by cosmic rays.
Now perhaps this just indicates the ubiquitous effect that cosmic rays have on the climate, but truly … are there no threads out there about cosmic rays where you guys might discuss these issues? I put a lot of time and thought into my posts, and then someone who is interested in the issue is suddenly reading comment after comment after comment about cosmic rays. This is double plus ungood for WUWT.
So to me, the issue is three-fold. First, I like keeping the discussion fairly focused on the topic at hand, and/or on peripheral issues that are related in some direct way to that topic and that are of general interest. For example, this whole thread drifted some into the topic of polar bears. Lots of folks seemed to be interested, and it is closely related to the question of the Arctic ice trends, so no problem.
Second, it’s simple politeness. You don’t go to a convention of comic-book devotees, walk up to the microphone, and launch into a long discussion of the merits of Elizabethan poetry. It’s not polite.
Third, out of everyone posting and lurking there have been exactly two people interested enough to post on cosmic rays – Leif Svalgaard and max_b.
I had hoped the cosmic rays would be a short-lived excursion, but like nuclear fission, one comment seemed to set off two. Before I asked for a halt, four of the last five comments were on some totally obscure point about some cosmic ray claim or counterclaim, with no ending in sight.
My threads tend to have lots of comments in any case. I want to keep them interesting. I definitely don’t want people throwing up their hands in despair and giving up on my thread because they’ve fallen down a rabbit hole into a discussion of something called the CLOUD experiment that they’ve never heard of and wouldn’t care about if they had.
So please, find a dang cosmic ray thread and discuss it there. Why are you posting this stuff here, and not someplace where people actually care about it? Put your energies where they will make a difference.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m very interested in cosmic rays, and I’ve been following the CLOUD experiment closely. It’s important stuff. and you guys seem to understand it well. Start your own thread on it and I’ll be there to read it.
But there’s a place for everything, and for the subtle implications of whether some paper “confirms” or merely “provides suggestive evidence” about some arcane aspect of the CLOUD experiment, it’s not in my thread about polar ice and polar bears and polar trends.
My thanks to you, please don’t take any of this personally. As I said, the issues you raise are important.