I’ve decided to step away from WUWT this weekend. Both my wife and I are sick with a cold. I’m very tired, and I need to do something else for awhile besides moderate squabbles; like work on my paper which keeps getting time taken away from it by the attention this blog requires.
If you have something worth posting on the front page, flag a moderator. Those that want to do guest posts are welcome to do so also. Again, flag a moderator for attention. Those that have author permission already, go for it.
I’ll resume posting if I feel up to it Sunday night.
In the meantime, talk quietly and politely amongst yourselves. Don’t make me come back here.
– Anthony
anna v (04:46:27),
I agree with your assessment as usual. Tamino/Foster is a little chihuahua nipping at the heels of the big dog. He is consumed with hatred and envy, and expresses it with invective toward Anthony at every opportunity.
Actually, it’s fun watching his impotent yapping, as the big dog ignores the little squirt.
hro001 (20:33:45) :
Skin the chicken?! What a travesty!
Anthony, I sincerely wish you and your wife a very speedy recovery. But you must REJECT such a “post-normal” recipe!
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Skim off “scum” that rises to top … keep boiling and skimming “scum”. When no more “scum” can be skimmed, add:
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Carefully remove fat that has solidified on surface. [Either discard, or use for creation of matzoh balls … failproof recipe available on request!]
Now Now hro, Bless your heart. No need to get insulting. (post normal thing) Sorry if I offended you as I was in no way trying to pass off the low country chicken bog as Jewish. The reason for the skinning part is to eliminate the skimming step and the removal of fat step. Whatever makes it into the pot gets eaten. The other reason to skin the chicken is that the removal of pinfeathers is a real pain so I just skin em. The chicken liver is usually reserved for dirty rice but it doesn’t hurt the soup. Our tastes are decidedly more herby than your traditional Jewish recipe. Fresh herbs do make a difference! Note that I did say that the Jewish mothers were right.
Smokey, Roman M at the Blackboard has a critique of Tamino in the Spherical Cow thread, but Cheifio’s work is under stress.
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The London Sunday Telegraph reports on the funding carousel for green lobbyists. The EU handed out £3 millon in grants to six groups including Friends of The Earth and WWF. These groups then spent £2.7 million on lobbying the same EU in an attempt to influence policy decisions. The poor taxpayer is paying for this carousel! Still I suppose its better than all those skeptics who are apparently being paid by rhe oil and fossil fuel interests.
No wonder Anthony needs a weekend off.
aMINO aCIDS iN mETEORITES (20:47:47) :
Sharon (17:04:20) :
Ok, it’s got Vikings, but does it have Brett Favre! ONE MORE YEAR!!
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Right, but M4GW also created an homage to those Vikings. It’s on their YouTube account
here.
WARNING: More banjo, plus yodeling!
Since this is an open thread, here’s an article on dark matter evidence: click
NASA gives up on false color images, finally publishes true color images of Earth (;-)):
(Modis pictures)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8547114.stm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/4392965590
@ur momisugly John Whitman (22:27:50)
“This is the only fundamental crisis of our age.”
I think it is wider than just science. IMO it is “peak truth” (!) as we see democratic scrutiny being undermined in theatres such as the Chilcot Inquiry. Perhaps it has always been this way and it is the AGW issue which has really woken me up to it but I tend to think the influence of a vast, uncritical and partisan MSM media means we are in an age where we will only play catch up for the truth. In this respect I actually think science is at an advantage as, despite the protestations of Post Normalism, objective scientific truth can till be tested and verfied.
RE Mod:
Oh, was this quote not in the paper? I also saw this statement:
Since the SPPI “paper” really isn’t peer reviewed, you folks can just reply to the analysis. Tamino’s results been confirmed by others so there is certainly enough for someone to go on.
The implication was that the dropping stations was selective and would lead to a warming trend. (Note: “…further increasing the bias towards overstatement of warming by NOAA.”) It would be interesting to see whether there is any analysis to support this claim.
BTW, in the figure on p32, (figures don’t seem to have numbers), what was the percentage of stations in each category? The claim is that there is a difference in the location of the station that were not used for the later time points and I was wondering whether the percentages reflected the numerical decrease.
And to run with the scientific big dogs, one has to at least have published something in the scientific literature.
Deech56 (10:29:04),
It appears that the reference was to Anthony’s upcoming paper. Maybe you jumped the gun, or maybe I’m mistaken. But if it was, how can you talk about a “correction”?
As we know, the climate peer review process is a travesty of misrepresentation and cliquish behavior. It is not worth citing as being reliable. Rather, it is rent-seeking grant chasing by a disreputable clique of insiders. If you need some climategate emails showing that, I’ll be happy to oblige. For that matter, here’s someone from neither camp who gives an outsider’s view: click
BTW, have you been published by a climate journal? Just wondering if you’re also part of that lot, or if you’re just pulling the usual appeal to the rigged climate peer review authority in an attempt to prop up the punch-drunk tamino, who lives in excruciating jealousy of the much superior WUWT.
re:Smokey
whether or not Tamino is a “little chihuahua”, his analysis has been replicated:
http://clearclimatecode.org/the-1990s-station-dropout-does-not-have-a-warming-effect/
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2010/a-simple-model-for-spatially-weighted-temp-analysis/
they magically found it!
http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/03/met-office-claims-to-have-found-agw.html
Deech56 (10:29:04)
I tell you what Deech. You come here spouting your die hard dogma, asking questions, quoting “facts”.
Come back when you have seen the paper. Please. I would love it.
But like all of the trolls that come here you hit and run. You say something controversial and do not even read the replies. You cannot be bothered about the science. You do not care to even be sceptical enough to read
anything other than your dogma.
And I cannot believe your “scientific big dogs” slur. Please go back to realclimate.
Deech 56 @ur momisugly 10:29:04
Roman M has found the flaw in Tamino’s work. Whether that makes any difference to the controversy I don’t know, but I think you should know that Tamino has been found to be in error.
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Oh and Deech56, I posted this over at your beloved Taminos blog. Unfortunately he decided to moderate it out. I wonder why?
Hi Mr Tamino Sir,
You are calling Mr Watts out!!! Way to go, you have my vote. Lets get you and him debating the issue, lets see the winner then.
The only problem is you will have to tell everyone who you are and lose your anonimity. Surely that is not a problem now you have been proved correct?
Tamino reminds me of the ‘2012 end of the world’ profit$ of doom alarmi$t$.
They’ll do everything they can to smear anyone that provides any facts that challenge their fear myths. Bottom line, fact$ ruin their agenda and di$rupt their profit$.
It is quite humorous and quite telling that they “wait at the gate” until the king has gone, like cockroaches when the lights are off. Smokey’s “little dog” analogy is apropos also. I have seen this tactic used by alarmists before.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One of my fathers detractors waited until he had left for 3 weeks on speaking engagements to publish an article in the Winnipeg Free Press. The original article (my fathers) was a based on a criticism of Environment Canada sitting on their hands and not alerting the airport authorities of an extremely violent thunderstorm (actually 2 storms that had combined), resulting in the crushed nose cone and cracked windsheilds of a passenger plane. The plane could have easily been a blotch in a farmers field, had it not been for an experienced pilot and co-pilot. The colleague knew that father would not be able to respond in a reasonable amount of time before the damage had been done. Very calculated and underhanded. This colleague is still vehemently opposed to any skeptical views on climate and to this day controls the University’s views on climate (including the student newspaper). Very sad and dare I say “alarming”.
Peter Plail
I have been looking for an excuse to insinuate a seriously OT post, and your posting together with Anthony’s absence on overdue recuperation has emboldened me to sieze this moment. Moderators… please look away.
During the course of last year’s gripping discussions on extraordinarily serious subjects, there were some contributors who lightened the proceedings with casual observations on the progress or lack of same with regard to their heritage tomato plants.
Intrigued by these peripheral but by no means less interesting digressions, I acquired seeds of various “arctic” species, but unfortunately there were no planting instructions.
I wonder, could the tomatophiles be given discretionary leave to post a recommended planting date for Scotland?
Oops, bad link. Sorry.
Brett Favre/Viking fans can find the M4GW Vikings Song here:
http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/
The common cold is a miserable affliction. Take comfort from the high regard in which you are held by millions of ordinary citizens around the globe, of which, I am just one. It ought to give you more genuine satisfaction than a Nobel prize ever could.
roger,
Now is a good time if you are growing from seed.
Need some of those little grow pots that you can plant once the seedlings get 3 or 4 inches high. (into a larger pot of course)
The soil must be moist and warm along with plenty of light and high humidity to get them started. A tray of those peat grow pots covered by plastic should do the trick. Transplant your tomatoes into the garden after the last frost.
If you are a bit early or the last frost is late, you may have to cover the plants for a day or two. Good luck. Very few things are better than a fresh vine ripened tomato.
kim (06:51:54) :
Smokey, Roman M at the Blackboard has a critique of Tamino in the Spherical Cow thread, but Cheifio’s work is under stress.
Can you provide a link? I have no idea how to find what you’re referencing otherwise.
Interesting paper about to be released in.. Nonlin. Proc. Geophys., 2010,
here is the link…
http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.0253
and here is the abstract…
Abstract:
Another Look at Climate Sensitivity
Authors: Ilya Zaliapin, Michael Ghil
(Submitted on 1 Mar 2010)
Abstract: We revisit a recent claim that the Earth’s climate system is characterized by sensitive dependence to parameters; in particular, that the system exhibits an asymmetric, large-amplitude response to normally distributed feedback forcing. Such a response would imply irreducible uncertainty in climate change predictions and thus have notable implications for climate science and climate-related policy making. We show that equilibrium climate sensitivity in all generality does not support such an intrinsic indeterminacy; the latter appears only in essentially linear systems. The main flaw in the analysis that led to this claim is inappropriate linearization of an intrinsically nonlinear model; there is no room for physical interpretations or policy conclusions based on this mathematical error. Sensitive dependence nonetheless does exist in the climate system, as well as in climate models — albeit in a very different sense from the one claimed in the linear work under scrutiny — and we illustrate it using a classical energy balance model (EBM) with nonlinear feedbacks. EBMs exhibit two saddle-node bifurcations, more recently called “tipping points”, which give rise to three distinct steady-state climates, two of which are stable. Such bistable behavior is, furthermore, supported by results from more realistic, nonequilibrium climate models. In a truly nonlinear setting, indeterminacy in the size of the response is observed only in the vicinity of tipping points. We show, in fact, that small disturbances cannot result in a large-amplitude response, unless the system is at or near such a point. We discuss briefly how the distance to the bifurcation may be related to the strength of Earth’s ice-albedo feedback.
JP Miller @ur momisugly 14:03:18
The link to Lucia’s Blackboard is on the sideboard under ‘Lukewarmers’. The whole Spherical Cow thread is about this, well almost; there’s a little about the Jones/Sweden fiasco.
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Justin: You wrote, “The only problem is you will have to tell everyone who you are and lose your anonimity.”
The CRU emails reveal who Tamino is:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=995&filename=1248998466.txt