Met office pushes a surface temperature data "do over"

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about/images/contact_us/logo_250x170.jpg From Fox News, word that the Met Office has circulated a proposal that intends to completely start over with raw surface temperature data in a transparent process.

Here’s the proposal from the Met Office metoffice_proposal_022410 (PDF). Unfortunately it is not searchable, as they still seem to be living in the typewriter age, having photoscanned the printed document.

I’d feel better about it though if they hadn’t used the word “robust”. Every time I see that word in the context of climate data it makes me laugh. It seems though they already have concluded the effort will find no new information. Given that they are apparently only interested in ending the controversy over transparency, and because GHCN (source for GISS and HadCRUT) originates at NCDC with it’s own set of problems and it is controlled by one man, Dr. Thomas Peterson, it means that we’ll have our work cut out for us again. In my opinion, this proposal is CYA and does not address the basic weaknesses of the data collection.

Britain’s Weather Office Proposes Climate-Gate Do-Over

By George Russell.

At a meeting on Monday of about 150 climate scientists, representatives of Britain’s weather office quietly proposed that the world’s climatologists start all over again to produce a new trove of global temperature data that is open to public scrutiny and “rigorous” peer review.

After the firestorm of criticism called Climate-gate, the British government’s official Meteorological Office apparently has decided to wave a white flag and surrender.

At a meeting on Monday of about 150 climate scientists in the quiet Turkish seaside resort of Antalya, representatives of the weather office (known in Britain as the Met Office) quietly proposed that the world’s climate scientists start all over again on a “grand challenge” to produce a new, common trove of global temperature data that is open to public scrutiny and “rigorous” peer review.

In other words, conduct investigations into modern global warming in a way that the Met Office bureaucrats hope will end the mammoth controversy over world temperature data they collected that has been stirred up by their secretive and erratic ways.

The executive summary of the Met Office proposal to the World Meteorological Organization’s Committee for Climatology was obtained by Fox News. In it, the Met Office defends its controversial historical record of temperature readings, along with similar data collected in the U.S., as a “robust indicator of global change.” But it admits that “further development” of the record is required “in particular to better assess the risks posed by changes in extremes of climate.”

As a result, the proposal says, “we feel that it is timely to propose an international effort to reanalyze surface temperature data in collaboration with the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), which has the responsibility for global observing and monitoring systems for weather and climate.”

The new effort, the proposal says, would provide:

–“verifiable datasets starting from a common databank of unrestricted data”

–“methods that are fully documented in the peer reviewed literature and open to scrutiny;”

–“a set of independent assessments of surface temperature produced by independent groups using independent methods,”

–“comprehensive audit trails to deliver confidence in the results;”

–“robust assessment of uncertainties associated with observational error, temporal and geographical in homogeneities.”

Click here to read the executive summary.

The Met Office proposal asserts that “we do not anticipate any substantial changes in the resulting global and continental-scale … trends” as a result of the new round of data collection. But, the proposal adds, “this effort will ensure that the data sets are completely robust and that all methods are transparent.”

Despite the bravado, those precautions and benefits are almost a point-by-point surrender by the Met Office to the accusations that have been leveled at its Hadley Climate Centre in East Anglia, which had stonewalled climate skeptics who demanded to know more about its scientific methods. (An inquiry established that the institution had flouted British freedom of information laws in refusing to come up with the data.)

When initially contacted by Fox News to discuss the proposal, its likely cost, how long it would take to complete, and its relationship to the Climate-gate scandal, the Met Office declared that no press officers were available to answer questions. After a follow-up call, the Office said it would answer soon, but did not specify when. At the time of publication, Fox News had not heard back.

The Hadley stonewall began to crumble after a gusher of leaked e-mails revealed climate scientists, including the center’s chief, Phil Jones, discussing how to keep controversial climate data out of the hands of the skeptics, keep opposing scientific viewpoints out of peer-reviewed scientific journals, and bemoaning that their climate models failed to account for more than a decade of stagnation in global temperatures. Jones later revealed that key temperature datasets used in Hadley’s predictions had been lost, and could not be retrieved for verification.

Jones stepped down temporarily after the British government announced an ostensibly independent inquiry into the still-growing scandal, but that only fanned the flames, as skeptics pointed out ties between several panel members and the Hadley Centre. In an interview two weeks ago, Jones also admitted that there has been no “statistically significant” global warming in the past 15 years.

The Met Office’s shift in position could be a major embarrassment for British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who as recently as last month declared that climate skeptics were “flat-earthers” and “anti-science” for refusing to accept that man-made activity was a major cause of global warming. Brown faces a tough election battle for his government, perhaps as early as May.

It is also a likely blow to Rajendra Pachauri, head of the United Nations backed International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), whose most recent report, published in 2007, has been exposed by skeptics as rife with scientific errors, larded with un-reviewed and non-scientific source materials, and other failings.

As details of the report’s sloppiness emerged, the ranks of skepticism have swelled to include larger numbers of the scientific community, including weather specialists who worked on the sprawling IPCC report. Calls for Pachauri’s resignation have come from organizations as normally opposed as the Competitive Enterprise Institute and the British chapter of Greenpeace. So far, he has refused to step down.

The Met Office proposes that the new international effort to recalibrate temperature data start at a “workshop”‘ hosted by Hadley. The Met Office would invite “key players” to start the “agreed community challenge” of creating the new datasets.

Then, in a last defense of its old ways, the Met proposals argues says that its old datasets “are adequate for answering the pressing 20th Century questions of whether climate is changing and if so how. But they are fundamentally ill-conditioned to answer 21st Century questions such as how extremes are changing and therefore what adaptation and mitigation decisions should be taken.”

Those “21st Century questions” are not small and they are very far from cheap. At Copenhagen, wealthy nations were being asked to spend trillions of dollars on answering them, a deal that only fell through when China, India, and other near-developed nations refused to join the mammoth climate-control deal.

The question after the Met Office’s shift in stance may be whether environmentalists eager to move those mountains of cash are also ready to stand down until the 21st century questions get 21st century answers.

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h/t to Dr. Richard North, EU Referendum

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February 23, 2010 5:47 pm

Monty Python Parrot:

David Alan Evans
February 23, 2010 5:56 pm

I have long argued that temperature alone has NO relevance.
I will again argue this point quite dramatically!
I will regularly place my hands, unprotected, into an oven, pre-heated to 200 or 250ºC
I suffer no ill effects!
If I inadvertently place my hands into a stream of steam, (from a pan of boiling water), I quickly get scalded.
In advance I answer, In the case of the oven, everything is as quickly as possible to avoid heat loss from the oven, on the case of the steam, a matter of seconds.
DaveE.

R.S.Brown
February 23, 2010 6:28 pm

Re: REPLY
The Signal Corps (part of the U.S. Army) had standardized procedures and standard issue equipment/barometers
for their stations before 1898. I’m looking for the operating manuals they issued now.
My point is the the information found in:
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/cso/data_rescue_signal_corps_annual_reports.html
can be used as a stand-alone data set.
The Stevenson screen material was contiguous with a goodly
number of years/places with “old” Signal Corp reports, beginning
in 1898 and running until 1949.
To my knowledge, no one has ever done a data plot of the “old” dataa, let alone one comparing the resulting reports between the two methods.
That doesn’t mean the “old” historical data isn’t useful.
However, I can’t recommend splicing the old fashioned
reports onto them new fangled ones… unless you’re named
Jones or Mann.

R.S.Brown
February 23, 2010 6:29 pm

Sorry, that should have been 1861 – 1941.

3x2
February 23, 2010 6:41 pm

That was a rouge anchor tag [*from this document*] (can’t take my eyes from the document!)

February 23, 2010 7:09 pm

Smokey (13:25:56) :
Phil., where’d ya go, Phil.? Yoo-Hoo, Phi-i-i-i-l!!
Kate (12:05:47) put the ball right back in your court. Too bad you’re not around to return the serve.

Some of us have work to do Smokey! Actually you have misread Kate’s post, to continue the tennis analogy she missed the ball and tried to hit another ball back hoping I wouldn’t notice.
Kate (12:05:47) :
Phil. (11:06:00) :
“…As far as I am aware none of your statement is true, so what you know isn’t very reliable.”
Not true? Not reliable?
Oh, dear. Try this, for a start…

Not good enough Kate, you referred to a “common trove of global temperature data” that the Met Office had had custody of, no mention of that in your rebuttal, instead you went off at a tangent about the Hockey stick!
You also said that they had tried “to keep everyone away from what should have been publicly-accessible data”, yet in your rebuttal you don’t mention this.
You also state that the Met Office broke the Freedom of Information laws, again you fail to substantiate this.
Your problem appears to be a reliance on the Daily Mail as a source, which is demonstrably unreliable.
For example, the Mail says: “Last month, the Information Commissioner ruled that scientists from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia – the source of the leaked ‘Warmergate’ emails – acted unlawfully in refusing FOI requests to share their data”, not true that hasn’t happened.
They also say that Phil Jones has been suspended, also not true.

woodNfish
February 23, 2010 7:22 pm

Personally, it doesn’t matter what they try to do to clean up their image. They are not to be trusted – a tiger does not change its stripes. Climate science credibility is dead.

RoHa
February 23, 2010 7:27 pm

” in the quiet Turkish seaside resort of Antalya, ”
Why are these meetings always held in posh places?
For the British Met Office, why not Cleethorpes? If they absolutely must go abroad, Omsk might be an option. And if they are desperate for a bit of sun, I’m sure we could put them up in Oodnadatta.

February 23, 2010 7:48 pm

As long as the government sector has control of virtually all the funds going to science then there will exist a large scale risk of broad influence on the scientific outcome by the government. This then is the situation we are faced with:
1) If we are confident going forward that private citizens can do a much better job watchdogging the govt & science interaction, then we would keep on funding science almost solely through the government.
AND/OR
2) If we do not have high confidence that our government will refrain in future from influencing the outcome of science that they are funding, then we must wisely start to establish many simultaneous alternate private/voluntary funding vehicles for science outside government control.
I am personally not confident that large government can ever be adequately watchdogged regarding possible influencing of scientific outcome.
Maybe a small government could be watchdogged, but I see no realistic downsizing of government in the near future. In fact, unfortunately, I see a trend toward even larger government.
Note: I am doing this from my Blackberry while on public transportation in Taipei, so spelling & grammar are out the window (no pun intended).
John

RoHa
February 23, 2010 8:18 pm

Seriously, how much in total did the Copenhagen beanfeast cost the taxpayers of the world?
And how many water purification systems, sewage systems, vaccination and other public health programs, or plain old schools could that money have paid for?

Indiana Bones
February 23, 2010 8:57 pm

A top priority must be for a cleanup of acronyms and speciously over-used words such as “ROBUST.” The past reports from IPCC have been oft-declared “robust.” Well, we come to find they are rife with error. Thus, “robustness” is now a liability in science.
The first Encarta definition of robust is: “strong, healthy, and hardy in constitution.” All characteristics we dare say are NOT reflected in the climate science to date.

RealPolitik
February 23, 2010 11:21 pm

The Data should be collected and held by The UK Statistics Authority.

Expat in France
February 24, 2010 12:40 am

The Met Office will never, ever compromise their relationship with the government, we must all realise that, surely?
Is it reasonable to expect that by “starting again” they are going to admit that they were wrong all along? Somehow I doubt it. The outcome must fit the plan, and there’s more than one way of skinning a cat. The result is known, the trick will be to get the data to fit seamlessly – they’ll be more careful the second time around. Leopards don’t change their spots…

Beth Cooper
February 24, 2010 1:58 am

Met Office:
“We do not anticipate any substantial change in the resulting global and continental scale-trends” as a result of the new round of data, but “this effort will ensure that the data sets are completely rubbery…oops..robust, and that all methods are transcendental…er…what we mean is…

Kate
February 24, 2010 2:24 am

Long delays by the Information Commissioner’s Office in investigating freedom of information complaints are undermining the effectiveness of Britain’s Freedom of Information Act.
This poorly-drafted law has allowed so many ludicrous provisions and exceptions to government departments and public bodies such as the UAE and the Met Office, the question of why anyone would bother trying to enforce it at all has to be raised. All a body has to do once an inconvenient request under the Freedom of Information Act has been made is to delay any action for six months or more, at which point the request expires, and the data itself can also be destroyed without penalty.
Nearly 500 formal decision notices issued by the Information Commissioners Office in the 18 months to 31 March 2009. On average, it took 19.7 months from the date of a complaint to the ICO to the date on which the ICO’s decision was issued. 46% of cases took between 1 and 2 years from complaint to decision notice and 30% took more than 2 years to a decision.
The ICO’s investigation into a complaint did not begin, on average, until 8 months after the complaint had been received. In 28% of cases, there was a delay of more than a year before the investigation even began.
In July 2009 the Campaign for Freedom of Information drafted an amendment, which Lord Dubs attempted to make to the Coroners and Justice Bill. This would have amended the Freedom of Information Act to allow a section 77 prosecution to be brought within 3 years of the offence being committed, provided it was within 6 months of the ICO obtaining evidence of the offence. The Information Commissioners Office supported this amendment.
The government did not accept the amendment because – it claimed – there was no evidence that the 6 month limit was causing systemic problems. It did say that if such evidence arose, it would look for ways to put the matter right, and if necessary amend the FOI Act. If the government accepted that the 6 month limit only ran from the time when the ICO became aware of the offence, it would have said the amendment was unnecessary for that reason.
That has also tended to confirm that section 127(1) does not at present allow a prosecution to be brought more than 6 months after the offence itself has occurred, and that the FOI Act should be amended so that prosecutions can be brought after that 6 month period is over.
In the Sunday Telegraph on January 30 2010, Christopher Booker suggested that a prosecution for conspiracy to commit an offence under section 77 of the FOI Act could be brought under the Criminal Law Act 1977, even if the 6 month period had expired.
However, it appears that any proceedings for conspiracy to commit an offence would be subject to the same time limits as those applying to the offence itself. Section 4(4) of the 1977 Act states:
“Where (a) an offence has been committed in pursuance of any agreement; and (b) proceedings may not be instituted for that offence because any time limit applicable to the institution of any such proceedings has expired, proceedings under section 1 above for conspiracy to commit that offence shall not be instituted against any person on the basis of that agreement.”
This suggests that, even if a conspiracy charge were possible, it would not provide a way round the problem created by the 6 month limit on prosecutions in the Magistrates Court Act.
http://www.cfoi.org.uk/pdf/foidelaysreport.pdf
http://www.cfoi.org.uk/pdf/foidelaystable.pdf
http://www.cfoi.org.uk/foi030709pr.html
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By the way, Phil, the discontent about the Met Office is not about me or the Daily Mail. You will find the same information all over the British media and elsewhere. I merely posted the relevant details from the Mail on Sunday’s article to illustrate a point, the sentiments of which I believe reflect those of the entire country.

Ian H
February 24, 2010 2:36 am

I think it would be timely to revisit the whole process of how temperature is best measured. Up until now people have been using whatever data they were provided, not going out and seeking the data they actually required. It is time to design the experiment properly – not just collect data in an ad-hoc fashion and try to use modelling to extract from inadequate data the results required.
Changes I’d like to see are
1. Measuring temperature at a height much higher above the surface. A station will be considerably less susceptible to local environmental effects if you stick it on the top of a 10m pole.
2. Quantity has a quality all its own. Use hundreds of cheap sensors and average – not one or two expensive high quality ones.
3. Replace single stations with clusters. Not a single instrument at a discrete location but a cluster of 20 or 30 mounted on poles scattered across a couple of square kilometers. That way the effect of disturbance to one instrument can be measured and accounted for in a much more robust fashion.
4. Spread it around. If your aim is to measure average temperatures across a wide region – then you need sensors spread across a wide region. Measuring at one or two discrete locations and trying to extrapolate is just ridiculous.
Lets design the experiment properly. The results might not be directly comparable to the historical record if we change the method of measurement, but they will certainly be a lot more accurate going forward.

Mark
February 24, 2010 6:00 am

I hope that there are people around who have some parts of the original unadjusted raw data so that when this new “do over” data is released, we can check parts of it against the original raw data to verify it hasn’t been adjusted in any way.

IsoTherm
February 24, 2010 6:28 am

Ian H: “I think it would be timely to revisit the whole process of how temperature is best measured. ”
I have to disagree, because from a quality point of view, it is easier to maintain a few good sensors, than to find e.g. that all your multitude of sensors have ants nests in them!
I used to be responsible for it must be 16,000 sensors, and it was a god forsaken job trying to keep them reading anything like the proper reading – and that was in one factory. Imagine what that is like when all those sensors are dispersed to the four corners of the globe (lovely phrase!)
Sensors go wrong, and the current HadCrut3 sensors appear to be recalibrated about once a year, and it is quite noticeable that this forces quite significant changes in the data up to a year previously.
Yes, let’s improve the way we monitor global temperature – even work out a meaningful way to average temperature (it’s technical – but a simple average isn’t necessarily right), but quantity is no substitute for quality – otherwise all those climate scientists voting for christmas (turkeys-xmas) would be worth something.

David L. Hagen
February 24, 2010 6:32 am

Congratulations Anthony Your efforts are bearing fruit.
UN weather meeting agrees to refine climate data AP

GENEVA — Experts at a U.N. climate meeting have agreed to collect more precise temperature data as part of a global effort to monitor climate change.
The World Meteorological Organization says delegates at a meeting in Antalya, Turkey, approved in principle a British proposal to gather land surface temperature data more frequently and ensure the process is transparent. . . .

IsoTherm
February 24, 2010 6:40 am

Sorry – forgot the configuration, the figure was only 3000 sensors! And I also have experience with Meterological temperature measurement in the “field” – and to let you into a secret – I never the readings because I couldn’t see how the sensors wouldn’t be drenched in water with our Scottish horizontal rain!

February 24, 2010 7:18 am

Kate (02:24:45) :
By the way, Phil, the discontent about the Met Office is not about me or the Daily Mail. You will find the same information all over the British media and elsewhere. I merely posted the relevant details from the Mail on Sunday’s article to illustrate a point, the sentiments of which I believe reflect those of the entire country.

Whether there’s discontent is not the issue, that doesn’t give you or the Daily Mail the right to make things up! As I said before none of your statement was true, and you’ve failed to address any of those points. The standards of the British media in their reporting on this subject has been abysmal, the Mail in particular has simply made up statements by scientists.
Your discontent would be better directed in that direction.

Roger Knights
February 24, 2010 3:57 pm

(15:20:59) & IanH:
Congratulations.

woodNfish (19:22:02) :
They are not to be trusted – a tiger does not change its stripes.

“A zebra cannot change his spots” — Al Gore.

Pete H
February 24, 2010 6:03 pm

So, let me get this right, the same “Robust” data fed into the same “models” with the same fudge factors?
Is the Met Office still chaired by Robert Napier, a former global warming activist and previously head of WWF UK?
Anyone smell a rat? More money down the drain!

Woodhillians
February 27, 2010 2:18 pm

First post – but ardent followers, AGW undecided, but love these posts.
Our fear is that science in Universities etc. is not being taught on first principles – Do not wish to name names etc. but please see this post from most expensive Global Science experiment which we find rather shocking: If this is being instilled in our junior scientists then, who can help us?
Another problem is that our data is still “sensitive.” In order to make full use of our friends’ computers, we would want to give them full access to our data. But we want to be the first to publish results with that data! So it is a bit nervous-making to just send the data to whoever asks for it. More likely, there would be someone out there who would try to use the data, but wouldn’t really understand it, and so would end up misidentifying something interesting. Then we’d have to spend our time trying to fix the things they’d done wrong. There was an interesting discussion about that at a conference I attended a few years ago. Someone asked that all LHC data be made publicly available. Of course, we raised this objection then (that they wouldn’t understand what we were giving them). And then a person asked a very nice question: “The data from the previous experiment at CERN (called LEP) is publicly available. Has anyone looked at it?” No one outside the experiments had. So one more reason to not try to make our data public.

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