In an interview with the Times, John Sauven, director of Greenpeace UK suggests that the IPCC needs a new chairman other than The Love Guru. But, in a recent press release, it looks like the IPCC is digging in their collective Nobel Laureate heels. Meanwhile, news of newspaper clippings in IPCC AR4 peer reviewed research.
With quotes like these coming from Pachy, he’s quickly running out of supporters who have been looking past his blown credibility. Here’s a quote from the Love Guru himself in a Financial Times interview today:
(h/t to Andrew Bolt for that one) Send in the clowns! Maybe he’s referring to the makeover suggested by the National Post?
John Sauven, director of Greenpeace UK , said that Dr Pachauri should have acted as soon as he had been informed of the error, even though issuing a correction would have embarrassed the IPCC on the eve of the Copenhagen climate summit.
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The IPCC needed a new chairman who would hold public confidence by introducing more rigorous procedures, Mr Sauven said. “The IPCC needs to regain credibility. Is that going to happen with Pachauri [as chairman]? I don’t think so. We need someone held in high regard who has extremely good judgment and is seen by the global public as someone on their side.
“If we get a new person in with an open mind, prepared to fundamentally review how the IPCC works, we would regain confidence in the organisation.”
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This guy must have the hide of a pachyderm… he keps taking hits but he doesn’t slow down.
Help save Pachauri! At least long enough for him to go down with the ship.
…………… Or maybe drag down the ship down. 🙂
Dr. Bob (18:01:09) :
Yikes. If Greenpeace is speaking out against the IPCC/Pachauri
The IPCC is not the target of this rabid organization. Pachauri is.
Look at this line in the post:
“If we get a new person in with an open mind, prepared to fundamentally review how the IPCC works, we would regain confidence in the organization.”
They want the IPCC to look shiny and new again. They want to lay all the dirt on Pachauri’s head. They will mindlessly chew him up to save ‘manmade global warming’. Global warming is the best thing they’ve ever had. They actually put guilt over modernization into the mainstream of life with it. They are keeping electricity out of Africa with it. They are trying to reduce population with it. The IPCC has brought them successes they have never experienced before.
There are many things Greenpeace will sacrifice in pursuit of protecting ‘mamnade global warming’ and the IPCC.
Pachauri is in their frenetic crosshairs. Now he himself will feel what they have done to many scientists in recent years.
I wonder what strings Maurice Strong is pulling???
Steve Goddard (19:02:20) :
Anyone with “good judgement” would shut the whole scam down. An “IPCC director with good judgement” is a contradiction in terms.
Will (19:05:04) :
We can have either ‘more rigorous procedures’ or IPCC. Take your pick. They cannot coexist.
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Exactly!!
This whole thing about removing Pachauri is damage control by Greenpeace.
Mike U.K. (18:24:07) :
Jeff Id (18:10:37) :
This is not to be lauded. This is just a coverup of the systematic distortions presented by the IPCC. Greenpeace CEO just this year admitted that dangers needed to be exaggerated in order to reduce economic output.
Perhaps Greenpeace should just chase whaling boats and not get involved with Global warming or cooling issues.
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I don’t think they’re going to leave that Mike. They got their foot into the door of mainstream life with it. They will go kicking and screaming bloody murder to let global warming go.
OTT, Delete if necessary.
NY Times reports that Obama is hinting that Cap and Trade is dead.
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/02/03/03climatewire-obama-says-senate-may-drop-cap-and-trade-pas-21189.html
To my mind the issue is not the science. I agree with Pachauri that it is robust, and we have seen confirmation of that on some issues such as the Amazonian rainforest and long term threats to glaciers. The issue is the bullying and hypocrisy. Reasonable people get shouted down as flat earthers and the public gets lied to about the purity of the peer reviewed literature behind the report.
The IPCC has put out a release to try to justify the grey literature. Well, here is a litmus test. Has any skeptical grey literature been used in the IPCC fourth report? Thought not. In which case, how was the grey literature selected? It can only have been because it matched the authors’ preconceptions.
Pachauri must go. He believes it is okay to patronize and lie to the public, and the IPCC seems incapable of learning, from the many examples, what an incredibly bad idea that is.
Do Greenpeace or WWF receive any taxpayer $$?
The obscure reference to Asbestos and Talcum Powder is an attempted Ad hominem attack on Christopher Booker.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1531446/Christopher-Bookers-Notebook.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker
Such a bizarre statement makes me think he realises he’s been caught in the headlights, but does know what to do about it.
Prince Charles.
Let me get this straight — the UK Director of GREENPEACE is saying “The IPCC needs to regain credibility”? …like his own organization, presumably? This no longer borders on ludicrous.
Let’s get back to the basic argument folks – how does a gas that is .035% +/- of the atmosphere cause a global crisis and hockey sticks?
Anthony, I recommend that you spearhead a “save our Love Guru” petition. Skeptics of the world – unite! Don’t let Greenpeace, Andrew Weaver, and other hysterics change the IPCC chair and claim all is well. As Jeff said, this organization reeks with the stench of incompetence, dishonesty, confirmation bias, and religiosity from top to bottom. For crying out loud, the Love Guru is the one thing this organization has going for it – all hands on deck to save him!
fascinating, especially given the second link to TERI Press Release of 15 JAN and the involvement of Prof Syed Iqbal Hasnain. guess it doesn’t prove the carnegie money went thru, but….
3 Feb 2010: DNA India: Carnegie Corporation of New York denies funding Teri
Susan King, vice president for public affairs, at the corporation, told DNA Carnegie had not paid any grant to the centre or Teri.
“In September 2008, we approved a $500,000 grant to the Iceland-based Global Centre towards research on water-related security and humanitarian challenges to South Asia posed by the melting Himalayan glaciers. It was a one-time grant,” King said in New York on Tuesday.
“No funds have been paid to the centre as the grantee (the centre) told us not to send it because of political and economic challenges facing Iceland,” King said. ..
DNA was unable to get a confirmation from the centre that it had declined the grant.
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_carnegie-corporation-of-new-york-denies-funding-teri_1343008
15 Jan 2010: TERI Press Release: TERI Collaborates with Iceland in the Fields of Glaciology and Soil Science
President of Iceland HE Dr. Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson initiates the collaboration between scientists in Iceland, India and the United States…
Looking at the unfolding scenario in the mountains and the immediate need for scientific collaboration and research on this issue, University of Iceland in collaboration with The Energy and Resources Institute (TERI) and the Carnegie Corporation of New York have joined hands to work in the fields of glaciology and soil science, and will enable Indian scientists and students to seek training in Iceland and the United States. The purpose of this joint effort is to improve understanding of the effects of climate change on the Himalaya and the manifold consequences that follow for the possibilities of water management and food production on the plains below..
Present on the occasion was the President of Iceland HE Dr. Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson, Dr RK Pachauri, Director-General TERI, and the joint teams from– University of Iceland, Ohio State University and the TERI Glaciology team, headed by Prof Syed Iqbal Hasnain…
Elaborating on the Himalayan scenario and explaining that TERI has already started working in the area of receding glaciers, Prof. Syed Iqbal Hasnain, Distinguished Fellow, TERI said “Himalayan region holds the key to Indian ecological and social security by virtue of its being the centre for biological and cultural diversity, the final destination of its life sustaining monsoon, and storehouse for snow and glaciers and other natural resources. However, global warming by long lived and short lived climate forcers is adversely affecting the Himalayan cryosphere, impacting food and water security for 1.3 billion people. This collaboration will provide latest information on status of Himalayan glaciers to the policy makers.”…
Media contact details
Rajiv Chhibber, Manager Communications,
The Energy and Resources Institute (TERI)
http://press-releases.techwhack.com/45351-teri-5
Let me get this straight — the UK Director of GREENPEACE is saying “The IPCC needs to regain credibility”? …
Well I read it carefully and I think what they meant was that the IPCC needs a new leader who can restore the credibility of AGW. Slight difference…. they aren’t backing down, just regrouping. When the team isn’t scoring enough goals, you can’t fire the whole team. You start by putting in a new coach.
Why is Ban Ki Moon being let off the hook?
This scandal has occurred under his watch and he is fair game for being responsible for Dr Wonderful.
I think Ban is letting His Hair take the fall on this one.
Such requests will fall on death ears because Pachauri is not the only one with similar views in the UN. In fact I’d be surprised if anyone in the UN has opposing views, at least of sufficient numbers to make a difference even if he is kicked out. No, the next step is to have these clowns brought to justice and if found guilty (easy I believe) put behind bars. It’s the only way to short circuit the whole AGW scam.
Dr. Ben W (20:42:31) :
Let’s get back to the basic argument folks – how does a gas that is .035% +/- of the atmosphere cause a global crisis and hockey sticks?>
I can explain that one. I’ve been in sales for 30 years. A while ago I noticed a sharp decline in the math skills of new hires. I once had a salesman with a double honors degree in business from an accredited university repeatedly sell things for less than their cost. No matter how I tried to explain it, he could not perform a simple gross profit calculation. The last straw was an invoice with a single line item that he totaled incorrectly. We’re not even talking arithmetic anymore, we’re talking about a double honors degree who can’t COPY.
Extreme example? Obviously. But when I try and explain thermodynamics to soomeone, I frequently think I am getting through only to have them ask a question like… “but the planet is CLOSER to the sun in summer, that’s why its warmer, right?”
The education system is producing graduates who can’t perform basic math and who have no critical thinking skills. Someone with lots of feathers in their hair, strange objects on a necklace, and lots of letters in their title emerges from a smoke filled tent and says in a serious voice “spirits are angry. we must give them all our gold to appease them. Pile gold in my tent, hurry!” and they go oh, glad someone knows what to do.
“Choo Choo the Love Guru” …
… I like it.
I want a better world. I want to save the rain-forests (all trees come to that), I want to clean up rivers. I want less pollution. I want to to save endangered animals/fish/coral.
I do not want scientists trying to con me and I certainly do not want eco fascist lobby groups like Greenpeace (and I speak as an ex-paid up member back when it began) trying to con me either.
This (including the Guardian and BBC efforts ) smells to me as a blind to slow down the truths that have been tumbling out for the last two weeks. If that should be so, do people like Roger Harrabin, BBC, (I still cannot believe he approached Anthony!) Fred Pearce, Guardian etc think we are going to go away or change our sceptical viewpoint?
These people from the lobby groups and MSN are the ones who have fed us lies and stirred the soup of AGW for years. I am sorry but I just do not feel like saying, ” Fair enough, you got it wrong, lets kiss and make up”!
(Sorry if that was OTT Anthony)
Must be some water got splashed in their face.
The powers that want to control the world by reallocating wealth through carbon credits will not let him fall because he knows too much about the inner working of the scam. The last thing they want is someone blabbing about how they are going to steal money from the rich for themselves and how they plan to tell the starving masses in the undeveloped countries that it failed because the rich didn’t give enough. Worse than that Pachauri could start naming names.
All this is very interesting, but meanwhile, we’re seeing global average temperatures right now (as in Feb. 2/3 2010) that are at what would normally be seen in late March and early April.
See: http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/
I stand by my contention that it is very likely that 2010 will be the warmest year on record (unless we have a Mt. Pintubo type volcanic eruption). With January coming in far warmer globally than normal, we are well on our way…but keep up all your jabbing and jabbering, and group AGW denial-think…as the world slowly warms…
(Disclosure: I personally think that the world would be cooling right now, based on the very quiet sun we’ve had with the Interplanetary AP index so very low, etc., but the combined effects of both increased CO2 and methane are countering even the quiet sun. Also, I’m not completely convinced that a warmer world would be all that bad…but that doesn’t prevent me from seeing the data for what it is. Even with some human error and outright poor judgement on the part of certain scientists, the lower part of the atmosphere, up to about 46,000 feet is definitely warming dramatically. The oceans abilitiy to absorb the excess CO2 from human activities is decreasing, and we have at least 4 or 5 degrees C increase already cooked into the system by about 2100. Now, is that a bad thing? I’m not convinced about that…yet.)
The Caveman Love Guru is our decades version of Baghdad Bob. Its shocking how quickly we have moved from denial of the content of the emails, to wholesale bus chucking. Who is left on the team these days?