The London Times is reporting:
“The chairman of the leading climate change watchdog was informed that claims about melting Himalayan glaciers were false before the Copenhagen summit, The Times has learnt.
Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. He failed to act despite learning that the claim had been refuted by several leading glaciologists.”
See the Times article here
And from Richard North at The EU Referendum, this video news report link and his commentary:
Less than a week after he claimed the IPCC’s credibility had increased as a result of its handling of the “Glaciergate” scandal, Pachauri’s own personal credibility lies in tatters as The Times accuses him of a direct lie.
This is about when he first became aware of the false claim over the melting glaciers, Pachauri’s version on 22 January being that he had only known about it “for a few days” – i.e., after it had appeared in The Sunday Times.
However, Ben Webster writes that a prominent science journalist, Pallava Bagla – who works for the Science journal (and NDTV as its science correspondent) – claims that last November he had informed Pachauri that Graham Cogley, a professor at Ontario Trent University and a leading glaciologist, had dismissed the 2035 date as being wrong by at least 300 years. Pachauri had replied: “I don’t have anything to add on glaciers.”
Bagla interviewed Dr Pachauri again this week and asked him why he had decided to overlook the error before the Copenhagen summit. In the taped interview, he asked: “I pointed it out [the error] to you in several e-mails, several discussions, yet you decided to overlook it. Was that so that you did not want to destabilise what was happening in Copenhagen?”
Dr Pachauri replied: “Not at all, not at all. As it happens, we were all terribly preoccupied with a lot of events. We were working round the clock with several things that had to be done in Copenhagen. It was only when the story broke, I think in December, we decided to, well, early this month — as a matter of fact, I can give you the exact dates — early in January that we decided to go into it and we moved very fast.”
According to Pachauri, “… within three or four days, we were able to come up with a clear and a very honest and objective assessment of what had happened. So I think this presumption on your part or on the part of any others is totally wrong. We are certainly never — and I can say this categorically — ever going to do anything other than what is truthful and what upholds the veracity of science.”
Without even Bagla’s input, we know this to be lies. Apart from anything else, there was the crisis meeting under the aegis of UNEP – which we reported on Thursday – which concluded that the 2035 claim “does not appear to be based upon any scientific studies and therefore has no foundation”.
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davidmhoffer (19:45:25) :
If only it were that simple. The rot goes far beyond the scientists, they are just the front lines. If we were talking about infantry, they would be called “bullet stops”. The rot will protect itself.
The rot will try to protect itself; that’s what this whole thing has always been about. Depending on how this plays out, AGW could become a textbook case in how scientists can go bad. Scientists are highly egotistical and many of them do not take criticism well. Even though this is contrary to the principles of science, it is not contrary to the principles of psychology — it is typical human nature.
The whole thing is nothing more than a classic case of abuse of power by pusillanimous people.
And now the whole thing is collapsing.
Popcorn?
“Jimbo (19:46:23) :
OT – Question Where is Al Gore these days?”
And how about our friends Joel Shore, Tom P et al.?
Hello,….. Policitians, Main Stream Media, Wake up. How long are you going to have your head stuck on stupid? Parliament is not in session and you cannot learn anything while your typing drivel. Maybe spend some time on the internet and search climategate, IPCC AR4 bogus, scandals at the CRU, NASA and Penn State. You will be very surprised to learn a lot of things have happen since your went and Rip Van Winkled on us. IPCC AR4 is a fraud and all the scientists involved in this have their reputations and credibility in disrepute. You will now realize there is something important to write. Like, Why are we on the doorstep of signing legally binding legislation based on a false report. You could also ask the politicians why they Rip Van Winkled.
Hello, are you still sleeping….Wake up and get your head out of stupid.
They call him Pants-down Pachy round here
The time is not now – but its near
When quizzed about ice
He replied in a trice
“I’ve been cate-gore-ickly clear”
That is frightening! In the best of circumstances, self-governance may work if the people have reliable information>
In primitive tribes, the fiercist warrior held the power to make group decisions. The smartest guy in the tribe became the shaman. He could challenge the chief with impunity by consulting the spirits (which of course only he could do) so that it was them that disagreed with the chief, not the shaman. If he was clever, he could control the chief while leaving him in charge. In human history, the chief was displaced by government, the shaman by the priesthood. Now they were both organized. But power and knowledge became synonymous and both built libraries. Power belonged to those who could assemble the most knowledge and apply it which was a labour intensive process involving many scribes. The printing press destroyed all that, driving the cost of a printed record down to the point where educational institutes and corporations could assemble knowledge that rivaled that of governments and priesthoods. At each of these stages in our history, the same tools were used to promote misinformation and control the masses as they were to document fact and prove it.
The internet is the last chapter in this progression, with the collective knowledge of humanity available to anyone who takes the time to research and comprehend. Those who wish to control others disseminate misinformation via the internet too, but they can be confronted en masse by the common man, and alliances can spring up on a moments notice involving millions of people who can make their own analysis and communicate it with a single voice.
The power of the government and the priesthood to control the common man by speaking for the spirits, or propogating falshoods to foster hatred and justify a war while the truth of matters is locked in records to which the pulic has no access. I fear not the machinations of the IPCC and their ilk to control my life because the information to expose them and the medium to express it is so available. I always knew they would lose this one.
But the watcword is vigilence. Albert Einstein said he did not know what wespons world war III would be fought with, but that world war iv would be fought with sticks and stones. He may have been wrong. World war III is being fought as we speak, but the weapon is information. Organized government recruited and built its own special priesthood, which will be defeated by the common man with nothing more than a keboard and an ethernet cable.
The shaman’s mistake was inventing writing. My regrets to the many femaile posters here, I’m just to sleepy to word this to be more inclusive, but rest assured I mean all of us.
So long, Choo Choo
You gonna get back into the failed solar panel business that you had in Europe?
You could never find an “angle” to make people want to buy solar panels because they weren’t worth the money – you figured the only way to get people to buy solar panels, was to have the Government FORCE people to buy solar panels
You figured wrong, Choo Choo
O/T but perhaps informative:
This will all definitely end up in court.
This might also help to explain the position of the BBC, the Environment Agency, other Government and some Universities.
http://www.iigcc.org/index.aspx
“The Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC) is a forum for collaboration on climate change for European investors. The group’s objective is to catalyse greater investment in a low carbon economy by bringing investors together to use their collective influence with companies, policymakers and investors. The group currently has over 50 members, including some of the largest pension funds and asset managers in Europe, and represents assets of around €4trillion. A full list of members is available on the membership page”.
Did you catch that: FIVE AND A HALF TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!
These guys are in this [expletive deleted] deep, and many may stand to loose their pensions, and some churches other than the ‘Church of AGW’ may also loose their robes. It is going to be a mess. It will definitely end up in court.
http://www.iigcc.org/membership.aspx
Members of the IIGCC include [I trimmed the list a bit]:
Baptist Union of Great Britain
BBC Pension Trust
Bedfordshire Pension Fund
BT Pension Scheme
Central Finance Board of the Methodist Church
Corporation of London Pension Fund
Environment Agency Pension Fund
Greater Manchester Pension Fund
Kent County Council
London Borough of Hounslow Pension Fund
London Borough of Islington Pension Fund
London Borough of Newham Pension Fund
London Pensions Fund Authority
Merseyside Pension Fund
Roman Catholic Diocese of Plymouth
Roman Catholic Diocese of Salford
South Yorkshire Pensions Authority
The Church Commissioners for England
The Church in Wales
The Roman Catholic Diocese of Portsmouth
United Reform Church
Universities Superannuation Scheme
West Midlands Metropolitan Authorities Pension Fund
West Yorkshire Pension Fund
Just a crazy thought for the US readers here. The US constitution requires a separation between church and state. Specifically it states the US government shall not establish a state religion.
Environmentalism in general (endangered species, zero threshold tolerance for all toxins) and anthropogenic global warming specifically (we are all going to die unless we live in mud huts again) meets all of the qualifications describing a religion. The proponents are immune to logic and prosecute their non-scientific beliefs with religious zealotry. They have insinuated themselves into government and are making their personal faith the official US national religion.
I wonder if there is a constitutional challenge or remedy to reverse this religious takeover? Otherwise these religious environmental mullahs will ruin this country.
Fraudulent science was used to buttress the AGW premise and it was found out thanks to WUWT and others. I wonder how much fraudulent science is being used to stand-up the other enviro-green arguments. I think it may be a rich mother-lode for others to mine. These may be easier to topple than AGW was.
We never voted for these religious environmental mullahs. We never had a choice.
Mariss
Did we transit in Bizzaro World when the sun went blank for the last two years? You could hold a black card in front of their faces and they would still claim it is white… unbelievable!
Can we have those Indian journalists come here to the U.S.? It seems like they actually do their jobs, ask questions, consider all sides, realize BS when they hear it and report the truth.
Most of our media? Not so much.
In the thread title, “Pachuri” should read “Pachauri”.
Anyone has noted already?
Was wondering if you saw my belated reply to you on the “Mosher:The hackers” thread?
This presumes that he actually believed the story in the first place. Please. This is simple foolishness. Like predicting the Greenland Northern ice table will melt in 10 years. Fantasy. Bogus physics. It is a con. He was in for the money. Think craps table.
Oh, bother (18:03:33) :
“Mr. Railway Engineer, you do know what the light at the end of your tunnel looks like?”
I’m picturing Wile E. Coyote slowing turning to look at the camera…
Kate (19:50:45) : Is there such a term as speciesist? The self loathing is shocking, only exceeded by the dangerous line of thinking in “the common people” view. This man need also to experience a subsistance level lifestyle for a year or so. Yes we have issues to sort out. There have been improvements which are being ignored and downplayed. But to view civilization as a curse (which Hansen has said recently, n’est pas?), saddens me tremendously.
@ur momisugly davidmhoffer
Your post immediatley above is very moving and inspirational! I think all of us here are very conscious that we are witnessing – partaking in – a very important moment in the human story.
I can’t contribute to the science but I’m doing my best instead to disseminate the facts and to bring this site and a couple of others inc CA to the attention of as many people as possible, so to assist the collective effort in another way.
Thank you Anthony for having persevered, and for providing this extraordinary ‘environment’ in which the truth can seed, grow, and take wings. I don’t have children, but those who do will be forever in debt to you and those like you who’ve fought the good fight.
My post of (22:17:47) was directed to davidmhoffer (21:01:36) . Thanks
Someone above asked where Al Gore is. I wondered, too, because I thought maybe he finally found some dignity somewhere to stop this nonsense. But no!
He’s busy right this moment pushing this climate hysteria as religion. See my post and click links (the religion post on his site is dated 1/22/10). Gore – with Yale University, of all places, and churches – is desperately working to indoctrinate people, complete with prayer, in climate change.
http://aprilbaby.typepad.com/a_california_life/2010/01/new-religion-climate-change.html
I think everyone probably already knows about his company Silver Springs, which will provide software and meters to monitor our carbon usage.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html?_r=2
Not only is that Orwellian and creepy, but he’s going to make millions, billions… No wonder he’s cramming this crap through as religion. He wants his damn money and he wants it now!
O/T, but interesting – I heard a caller on a radio today say that she had to go to defend her child in school against a principle, teacher and union member because her son failed a state mandated test. Why did he fail?
He didn’t believe in global warming. He got a 0.
One last thought, why can a person – like I heard on the news the other day – go away to prison for stealing a trench coat, but Gore is involved in deceiving everyone on the planet for his own gain – yet he’s not locked up?
What if Pachuri is only a front man — for bigger fish pulling the strings…
And now that AGW is crashing down — he’s the designated fall guy — not that he isn’t guilty, mind you, just that he isn’t alone…
As of my writing foxnews.com is now carrying this story on top of their home page, left column.
The headline in the graphic that has a photo of Mr. P. sez:
”Before Copenhagen, Climate Chief…
KNEW OF ERRORS”.
When you click on the photo at foxnews, the underlying piece links to the same Times Online article as this thread start.
AND:
If you click on the foxnews link UNDER the graphic that sez:
”U.N.’s Global Warming Report Under Fresh Attack for Rainforest Claims”,
they have a piece that is IMO a good summary of Amazon-Gate.
Attaboy, FoxNews. . . . :-]
CNN ?? . . . Nowhere that I can see. . . .
Someone floated the idea on another blog yesterday that Pachauri had been put in place by the Bush admin with the express purpose of discrediting AGW/climate change and bringing the whole shebang into disrepute, but I find that a little farfetched esp as they might well have got away with the scam without CRU/Climategate.
But in the Alice in Wonderland world of climate change, who can rule out any scenario?
Michele (22:45:38) : “He didn’t believe in global warming. He got a 0.”
Would that be “anthropogenic global warming” he got a 0 for? He should believe in “global warming” since that is happening, slightly..
If schools are pushing alarmist crap the schools and names of the teachers should be published.
Clear voodoo chairmanship…..Pachauri now a zombie!
Andrew30 (18:07:17) :
Damn good points Andrew….. Pachauri’s goose is cooked. That’s ironic considering he’s a vegetarian an’ all;-)
Screwing these warmist Watermelon types is getting to be more and more a necrophilic perversion.
I expect soon that they’ve have lost even the ability to flinch when you stick it in ’em.
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