“Gordon Brown yesterday promised a full review of how the country had coped with the coldest winter for 30 years”
Heckuva a job there Brownie.
From the Telegraph:
Met Office to review forecasts after failing to warn public of fresh snow
The Met Office has admitted that it failed to warn the public of the heavy snow that brought swaths of Britain to a standstill on Wednesday.
Forecasters conceded that they did not spot the widespread snow storms that caused transport disruption and a surge of weather-related accidents until it was too late. Up to six inches fell in parts of the South West, with drifts of 7ft in Wales.
Even when the full extent of the threat was realised, flaws in the Met Office’s bad weather warning system meant that the public were not adequately informed, officials said. The system will now be reviewed.
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Thousands of Britons endured nightmare journeys to work after waking up to several inches of snow despite reassurances that their regions would escape the worst of the latest flurries.
Hundreds of flights were cancelled at Heathrow, Gatwick and regional airports, while schools that had only just reopened were again forced to shut their doors.
Accident and emergency departments reported “unprecedented” numbers of patients, many suffering suspected fractures after slipping on ice.
An 18-year-old college student who died after locking himself out was last night feared to be the latest casualty of the weather. Police believe Nathan Jobe froze to death after falling from a window while trying to gain access to his home in Mountnessing in Essex.
In the Peak District, pregnant 40-year-old gave birth to a healthy baby boy after a mountain rescue team transported a midwife to her snowbound home. Melanie Pollitt had sought advice on the Mumsnet website about her labour pains before calling for help.
Gordon Brown yesterday promised a full review of how the country had coped with the coldest winter for 30 years, after councils were forced to cut their gritting by a half to conserve dwindling stocks.
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I like Richard North’s (EU Referendum) take on it:
They got it wrong and keep getting it wrong.
Now for the reality check, more than adequate testimony that the Met Office is a waste of space.
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Heh.
Seems like the Met Office has a terminal case of botchulism.
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pat (18:18:27) :
Your second link flagged malicious in AVG & I chose not to override.
Your first link however is not unusual for individual sites.
DaveE.
They need to look outside since their “models” seem to be broken. If they can’t forecast weather when it is reported on the way, how can we tolerate their 2050 forecasts? Hide the decline.
Climate progress was taling up some man that had been prediocting snowless winters. The guy must really be off the mark. Pathetic.
And the AGW espousing Brown wants to investigate. Cardinal Brown of the church of AGW. Maybe they can add windows to the MET cathedral, next to the super computer.
And when the snow melts …
Don’t you Brits have any sort of meteorological (weather) RADAR operational?
Are your forecasters untrained as to recognizing the conditions (mid-level winds, low-level winds, temps and humidity etc) that can lead to significant snowfall?
What ??
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TanGeng (19:06:30) :
The will need another powerful computer to teach them how to use the one they got… or… where the hell is the user’s manual?
Had they forecast it, exactly what would have been different? Those people would have stayed home instead of trudging to work in the snow? They didn’t notice the snow on the ground?
How hard could it be to search the code to find “add 10 degrees to forecast temperatures”?
I feel really bad about this, but not so bad I won’t post it! 😉
> … An 18-year-old college student who died
> after locking himself out was last night …
He must have been a climate-Scientology student at UEA. Anyone else could have figured out that (1) it was really really cold outside, (2) there are places like the police station that stay open all night and are warm (3) the Met Office forecast is not reliable (4) he could have broken a window to get inside…
Perhaps the student needs to be nominated for a Darwin Award?
I realize that it is a tragedy and his family are in mourning, but at least Gordon Brown has enough sense to come in out of the cold. Now, if he could just open his eyes and see the piles of snow… Nah, the PM has only 3 more brain cells than the student who stayed out in the cold. Even parade horses have more sense.
Newt Love (my real name) newtlove.com
Aerospace Technical Fellow, Mdeling, Simulation & Analysis
_Jim (20:10:35) :
Yes, we have weather radar, they’re just so invested in the AGW idea that the radar must be wrong because the models are right!
When data & models disagree, adjust the data!
DaveE.
To get to the bottom of this scandal, public officials who provided funds for the “research” need to be held accountable.
Why did they give public funds to “scientists” who cheat and manipulate data?
Follow the money up the ladder, and ask why.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA PI for Aollo
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/climate-change-deniers-vs-the-consensus/
I assume some of you have seen the above graph.
And at that, might have some input about that, as well as the comments section to the handy graph from the Information is Beautiful site, regarding the notion that if the Skepty position was correct in that outside sources like the Sun are causing the warming (as shown and no one here or in that forum denies this, just the antrhopogenic cause) the other layers of the Earth’s atmosphere would also be heating. Alas, they are not.
Just….curious….
I see most everything addressed here other than the fact that the consensus is strong for AGW, and the info backs this up, AND the AGW Skeptic community consists primarily of about 12% out of the total number of climate scientists, and the others are primarily ideological pundits and engineers funded by the AEI and oil barons.
Once upon a time in the U.S. military meteorological services, a forecaster who had too many forecasts “busted” by actual weather observations had their certification suspended until they were re-trained. If that forecaster once more had too many busted forecasts, they were discharged from service.
So, how many forecasts must a British meteorological forecaster or a climatalogical forecaster have “busted” by the observed weather to be discharged from service?
The amazing thing to me is that the AGWers haven’t gotten even one thing right. They keep trying, apparently hoping that if they just get one prediction right everyone will conclude irrationally that AGW must be true. But I haven’t heard of anything they’ve predicted which then came about in the way they want, except for the “consistent with AGW” events which don’t prove anything.
MET told BBC a few days ago that its short-term forecasts are world-best and its long-term forecasts are hot stuff but it’s the forecasts in between that need tweaking.
Well, short-term forecasts are no big deal: anyone can do them with the right regional data. Even then, MET messes up.
MET’s medium-term alarmist-based predictions are a dog’s breakfast as shown.
So bollocks to MET’s long-term forecasts aimed at driving the anthropogenic global warming hoax.
That’s pretty much any weather/climate forecasting. With all due respect to Mr. Watts, beyond a couple of days, the chance of getting even most of the weather right is practically nil.
crosspatch (18:40:57) :
> Word is there will be a thaw this weekend
> followed by another cold blast.
Piers Corbyn has been predicting this for over 6 months.
The Met Office will predict it 3 days after it happens.
Newt Love (my real name) newtlove.com
Aerospace Technical Fellow, Modeling, Simulation & Analysis
Probably had the global warming filter applied. Filters all weather indicators that do not show global warming. The map was blank so nothing news worthy was going on.
They should review whether to continue to suffer abuse at the hands of a Forecasting method gone awry due to bad modeling. Put the MET on suspended leave pending investigation. They clearly are not presently competent to handle the current climate.
In the meantime, get some outside help, unless you don’t mind citizens getting trapped, frostbit, maimed or even killed.
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/climate-change-a-consensus-among-scientists/
Meant to add the above, regarding the percentage of Denialists in comparison to all scientists queried on the topic of AGW, as well as the proportion of Denialists among all in Climatology.
This is a great site to pick data from.
What we have here is a stark demonstration that “truth” is not a valued commodity in our currently fashionable, politically correct, upside down, Alice in Wonderland world. How else to explain the Met director’s record bonus and the lavish funding rained down upon this incompetent institution. Fashion pays very well while “truth for its own sake” is a forlorn concept. Fortunately for that motley crew addicted to scientific truth, Mother Nature doesn’t give a rat’s fanny for fashion.
CH
“grzejnik (18:16:20) :
Is it me or is that truck plowing snow into the other lane of the road? LOL”
It may appear odd, but it actually is the best way to clear a multilane highway. The first pass clears/grits the “inside” lane ploughing snow onto the “outside” lane. A return trip down the “outside” lane to clear the snow onto the hard shoulder/road side.
But it is a clear indication that UK authorities were playing into the AGW story and reducing snow clearing equipment and materials over the years. Heck, I even recall grit bins located near footpaths/road sides etc in the 70’s, you’d always find grit in them in winter. Try finding one in the UK now, you won’t. Like flies here in Australia, they’re all gone.
Jeff Alberts (20:39:21) :
“That’s pretty much any weather/climate forecasting. With all due respect to Mr. Watts, beyond a couple of days, the chance of getting even most of the weather right is practically nil.”
As is getting it wrong most of the time, especially when it’s “50% chance”.
Wakefield Tolbert (20:32:24) :
if the Skepty position was correct in that outside sources like the Sun are causing the warming (as shown and no one here or in that forum denies this, just the antrhopogenic cause) the other layers of the Earth’s atmosphere would also be heating. Alas, they are not.
Wakefield, without even looking at this alleged “proof” against natural causes, I can assure you that it is a strawman. The skeptics don’t have to prove anything about what is causing alleged “warming”, which has occurred multiple times already since the last ice age.
No, the AGWers have to prove their hypotheses, and they haven’t, and they aren’t even doing real Science – the latter which is also what directly resulted in the CRU email and files release, although we already knew it. What critical predictions the AGWers have made have been shown empirically to not only not have occurred, but also that in fact the opposite has occurred.
Thirdly, consensus has nothing to do with the Scientific Method, but using definitions for “consensus” which AGWers have used, I believe I could prove that the “consensus” is actually against AGW.
Fourth, if you’ve been paying any attention here you should be getting the idea that the Giss and CRU surface station/ocean reconstruction of temperatures is not credible, and that whatever the surface stations are measuring as plotted from raw data might actually be showing cooling or no trend over many decades, and slight cooling over at least the past 10-15 years – while CO2 has been rising.
Why do come here without knowing what the issues are, presuming that you are offering something new and challenging. Me, I’m getting fed up with people like you who apparently don’t know anything but presume you do – For No Reason!
An alarmist told me today that the cold temperatures in the northern hemisphere are irrelevant because the temperatures in Australia are very hot. He didn’t realize it was summer there 🙂