Reprinted from totallytopten.com
The solution to climate change lies not in the hands of politicians, but some seriously nutty scientists.
For the uninitiated, Geo-engineering is easiest explained as the plan B in the fight against climate change, in case our politicians and world leaders fail. And as the Kyoto agreement is due 2012, with both Bali and Copenhagen settled disappointments, it is perhaps time for drastic action.
Scientists all over the world are already on it.
10. Ocean Iron Fertilization
“Give me half a tanker of iron, and I’ll give you an ice age” ~John Martin, discoverer of the Ocean Iron Fertilization Idea.
Introduce iron into the ocean’s upper layer and increase the amount of phytoplankton (plant plankton) in the ocean. This in turn will increase the amount of food for ocean life, strengthen the ecosystem and most importantly, take in CO2 and release
oxygen. The problem however, is not just the process but the scale on which it has to be done to make an impact.
9. Cloud Reflectivity Enhancement
Making clouds whiter. How? Apparently the “viable plan” by Stephen Salter of the University of Edinburgh is to have 1500 special ships known as Flettner ships to spray ocean water into the atmosphere. The ocean spray would work within a concept known as the Twomey Effect. The biggest problem is the lack on ocean nuclei needed due to pollution.
Problem: 1500 honkin’ ships shooting water into the air.
8. Scatterers – Stratospheric Sulfate Aerosols
Release microparticles into the atmosphere at the rate of 1 million metric tons a year through the use of jumbo jets and military artillery. The idea is to reflect some of the sunlight entering our atmosphere, thus reducing warming effects and helping us keep nice and cool. Read more at Wikipedia.
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Ah those naive ideas!, all the rivers of the world and all winds over the earth carry quintillions of tons of Fe2O3 and Fe3O4 to the seas…what the…is, say, a thousand tons of ferrous sulphate…simply idiotic.
Do those fools know that, for example, ferric chloride it is sold as “sewage grade”, because it is used to oxide sewage going to the seas?
Put all chemical factories of the world to manufacture ferrous sulphate for this purpose and they won´t add a millionth percent of the iron naturally added by Gaia, ya know?.
It´s the same stupidity and lack of common sense as CO2 believers and prophets: They consider themselves bigger than volcanoes (of course their idiocy is infinite!) or rather they have such a tremendous, and justified, inferiority complex that they compensate it with gigantic allucinations.
Don´t worry Al Baby, daddy will make a whole world for you so you can be the president of it…you, only you!, so don´t cry…copenhagen was just a bad nightmare you had for eating too much..
Mabye, jorge, what they really have in mind is a new war toy, disguised as ‘Saving the Planet’ !!!
Who us??? We wuzn’t doing anything wrong, we wuz just savin da Planet.
Our models say you’se guys is going to have ice to last you the next 100,000 yrs. Whut’s wrong wit dat?
AccuWeather:
Snow, Sleet in Florida Signal Arrival of More Damaging Arctic Outbreak…sub-freezing temperatures along the Gulf Coast…
http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&date=2010-01-09_20:30
Global warming causing untold deaths through redirection of funds for poor and sick to AGW gravy train;
http://twawki.com/2010/01/09/free-money/
The mini ice age starts here
David Rose
Mail online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html
“1. The most simple solution would be off course to launch a few nukes, you don’t need a full exchange of the nuclear stockpile.”
You only need a single nuke if you target the next International Climate Conference.
rbateman (18:26:54) :
there’s been three more aftershocks, 3.0 to 4.5 range, since my comment
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/special/California_Nevada_eqs.php
Does anyone here understand earthquakes and aftershocks? Is this many aftershocks normal?
Human history amply demonstrates every time we attempt to intervene in the natural world to solve a problem only we perceive, it turns to disaster. Introduced species, managing the environment in Yellowstone are just two examples. Save us from do-gooders!
Artificial trees… Genius! Pure genius!
But I suggest we launch these into space, to better soak up CO2 from THE greatest source, the Sun. The idea here is that since the Sun is thought to be the greatest factor affecting global temperatures, it must emit an awful lot of CO2 (for the time being anyway) (and think of all the money we’d save in not having to think up and test a new hypothesis! Carbon credit traders rejoice!)
And since we’re so into bio-engineering these days, why not take it to the next level while we still can? Create and breed a new animal called a woc. The woc would soak up all the farts left behind (well, I guess so, huh?) by it’s more primitive cousin, the cow…
@ur momisugly photon without a Higgs (19:05:50) :
rbateman (18:26:54) :
there’s been three more aftershocks, 3.0 to 4.5 range, since my comment
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/special/California_Nevada_eqs.php
Does anyone here understand earthquakes and aftershocks? Is this many aftershocks normal?
There’s been a dozen or more aftershocks. Fairly common in that area. They are not far from the subduction zone off the coast, and I’d say that’s what is going on. A little plate movement. Could be more, maybe bigger later on. There’s some pretty good imaging of the area in Google Earth of the seafloor there. Check the box for Earthquakes in the Gallery.
“Waterways leading to Berlin have started to freeze, impeding coal and oil deliveries…”
Coming soon: Ice breakers on the Danube.
“latitude (18:44:43) :
The mini ice age starts here
David Rose
Mail online
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Looks like Mojib Latif becomes more of a lukewarmer now. Nice to see the Daily Mail mention his work.
“Does anyone here understand earthquakes and aftershocks? Is this many aftershocks normal?”
I was in Italy during the earthquakes last year; we we having large aftershocks for about a week afterwards.
Nature beat them to it.
http://www.greenbang.com/plankton-blooms-devour-carbon-in-dust-storm-aftermath_12112.html
Phillip-B s post is a ripper.
a much older and wiser mentor of mine here in Aus pointed out that pumping sea water to the inland salt plains would imitate nature brilliantly.
why?
Because everytime the inland floods and the moisture is available, the rest of Aus gets decent rains and if its kept that way we wouldn’t get the dust storms that the summer winds create just after the lakes dry up.
and from the looks of it, a double bonus by selling the salt to the UK to apply on the roads.
Hmm? do you have issues after the snows go? with roadside vegetation dying of salt excesses?
lmg (16:20:50) :
I propose the US unilaterally resume above-ground nuclear weapons tests. This would cause the Russians to do the same. This in turn would cause all the loonies currently freaking out about global warming to freak out about background radiation instead, leaving the earth to regulate its own temperature unmolested.
It would also increase the aerosols, à la proposal #8 above. Admittedly, the aerosols wouldn’t be sulphates (strontium90ates?).
NO NO NO!!!
Everytime man “engineers” nature, we screw it up with unintended consequences that are, in the end, far worse than the original problem….if, as in this case, a problem even existed.
Our gubbmint can’t manage a financial system that it Does have full control over…..and you wanna turn it loose on nature?? Sorry, but mankind is better left drawing pictures of hockey sticks and scaring each other.
The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:4-6 (New American Standard Bible)
Men playing God, how can that turn out well?
Fertilizing the oceans could be very good for increasing marine productivity.
>>None of the ideas are as daft as trying to reduce CO2 levels.
Agreed. Windelecs will do nothing, apart from bringing civilisation to a halt. Here is a letter to the leader of the UK opposition (a confirmed Greenie).
Mr David Cameron
Conservative Party
Re: Gambling on Climate Change – with OUR money.
Sir,
Regarding the Met Office’s complete inability to forecast seasonal weather and our current cold spell, Helen Chivers of the Met Office has been quoted in all the media as saying, ‘we have to remember that this is very new – it is a developing science. These are not forecasts you can judge (rely on)’.
So the Met Office cannot reliably forecast three months ahead, but somehow it CAN accurately forecast 40 years ahead and predict that we are all going to fry in a northern European desert. Three-month forecasts are a ‘developing science’, while for multi-decadal forecasts the ‘science is settled’. Spotted the paradox yet?
This would all me mighty humorous were it not for that fact that Gordon Brown is gambling £200 or £400 billion of our money (my money) on the outside chance that the Met Office can get decadal forecasting correct, when they manifestly cannot get seasonal forecasting right. And this from a government minister who lost several billion of our money on a gold-price bet, and several trillion on a debt-bubble gamble.
And the really sad thing, is that you support this insane policy. Still looking for photo opportunities with huskies? Perhaps you should try sledging Surrey or Kent next time, there is more snow there.
And as I said previously, Brown’s £200 billion dash for wind will only succeed in bringing the country to its knees anyway. The recent cold weather was caused by a high pressure system and a few slack lows, none of which produced any significant wind across the entire NW of Europe. Here is the Irish Sea wind data for the last 2 weeks. Anything below 5 knots is not producing any wind power, so just when you need extra power, the windelecs will stop working. Marvelous.
http://coastobs.pol.ac.uk/cobs/met/hilbre/getimage.php?from=20091223&span=6&code=5
And don’t you dare say we can have fossil fuel backup systems, because if you do you are proposing a tripling of energy costs and precious little reduction in CO2. Backup fossil fuel plants would have to be held on spinning standby – burning and turning – just in case the wind dropped (same for tidal power). Besides, the variable nature of wind power gives grid overloads, underloads and frequency mismatches that have brought the Spanish electrical grid to the point of collapse on many occasions.
How wind power can take down the entire electrical grid.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article384768.ece?token=null&offset=12
Is this your future for Britain? Numerous hourly blackouts, several weeks without power, the nation reduced to the Stone Age, and hundreds of thousands of people dying? You think I am kidding? I write this email in the dark, as the power has been off here for 7 hours. The house is gently returning to ambient temperatures (-5oc), as the heating is off, and my sole power supply is one candle and a failing battery in my laptop. In 24 hours, I would be asking for government assistance, along with several thousand of my neighbours. And what will you do then, my windelec-hugging friend? Thought this one through at all, have we?
How nations go back to the Stone Age inside 24 hours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Blackout_of_2003
Sincerely,
Ralph
What i always find amazing about all these wonderful geo-engineering plans is how little actual engineering seems to be applied to any of them. It appears that all that is necessary is a sufficiently harebrained idea, a few back of the envelope level calculations, a couple well placed press releases, and of course the requisite grant requests. Consideration of the unintended consequences, which for most of these proposals would seem to be much more negative than any possible benefit they could offer under even the most optimistic scenarios, doesn’t seem to even occur to them. If we want more sulfates in the atmosphere, all that is really necessary is to repeal all the clean air legislation that has been passed in the last forty years to get rid of the pollution that was one of the previous scare scenarios we’ve been forced to deal with. These folks blithely speculate on lofting into space quantities of material that are orders of magnitude beyond what has been done by all the launches since Sputnik first flew. In a world of infinite resources, some of these projects are at least theoretically possible but given that we can’t come close to any confidence that any of them would actually work, that they would involve expenses well beyond any possible benefit, that even if the costs didn’t disqualify them the unintended negative consequences surely would, that the problem they are meant to address is becoming an increasingly unlikely probability, investing any public money in pursuing them further is an almost criminal waste.
Beano for Bossie?
Not one of these are ideas are as wacky as burying trees:
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/landfill-forests-47051404
[snip – sorry, while funny, just of bit OTT]
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