Since we’ve been talking about snow quite a bit recently, this seems fitting. WUWT reader Tom in Texas tips us to this image:

A composite of archival Hubble data taken with the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2 and the Advanced Camera for Surveys. Like a whirl of shiny flakes sparkling in a snow globe, Hubble caught this glimpse of stars in the globular cluster M13. The cluster is home to over 100,000 stars, packed closely together in a ball approximately 150 light-years across, and is located at a distance of 25,000 light-years. Picture: AFP / NASA / ESA
Click here to see a high-res version of the Hubble snow globe I wonder what the sky would look like from a world in the center of that cluster? Would some of the stars look like bright marbles in the sky?
If you really want to see some interesting things from the HST, have a look at this gallery:
Hubble Space Telescope Advent Calendar 2009
Like the photo above, it gives some perspective about our place and scale in the universe.
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Oh! That is so wonderful!
You can shake this snow globe, too – by clicking on the high-res link and then quickly minimizing it and maximizing it repeatedly. ( the little + and – lens)
A beautiful picture — thank you, sir. If our little solar system were in there, it wouldn’t even be noticeable at fifty times the resolution.
Wonders and wonderings and wonderments abound…
“I wonder what the sky would look like from a world in the center of that cluster? ”
I wonder that of myself when I use my telescope. Just imagine if any civilisation evolve one of the planets there, they could colonise a big part of the cluster.
The distances are much less between star-systems and planets.
This could make a Hollywood sci-fi. The thousands of planets, with many different aliens, empires and rebels.
And off course planets could wonder about systems.
Oh, I can smell the popcorn already…
Wow… Stars close enough to each other that interstellar travel might actually be possible.
So, is this a circular picture because the HST cuts off into a circular image, or is the shape actually that round? Looks artificially round to me, but space has strange things in it…
I wonder what the sky would look like from a world in the center of that cluster?
Dazzling for an instant, then black.
Given the concentration of white and blue stars, you’d probably fry from the UV radiation. Pretty from down here, though.
O.K., if the solar system is currently hurtling through a 6000 C gas cloud, how does that affect optical accuracy?
Since we’ve got an astronomical topic I thought I’d repost this suggestion I made a little while ago from astronomy but which I think the climatologists might find worth considering. Sorry for the length but it’s easer for everyone rather than reading all the articles.
During MIT’s “The Great ClimateGate Debate” (http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/730) Lindzen said he was very surprised (although pleased) about the recent interest in climate science by the general public, and even named Watt himself and his temprature station project.
I think that with projects like Watt’s ground station survey, McIntyre and McKitrick’s double checking of fishy peer reviewed work, Willis, RomanM and others double checking the raw temperature data, I think it is clear that amateur climate science has reached a new maturity that calls for a formal pro-am collaboration forum — a “Pro-Am Climate Science Institute”.
For those who think this is a radical idea it is not new and below are examples from two sciences where I know there is extensive and valuable pro-am collaboration. It is an obvious solution for those sciences that study parts of the natural world where the sheer volume and/or vast geographic distribution is just too great for professionals to do alone. Climate science is an area where this is the case. The opportunities from just the above projects have enough work to keep an army of volunteer amateurs involved indefinitely, along with new projects (like perhaps establishing a network of amateur temperature instruments).
Having a formal pro-am collaboration forum will also help neutralize critics that ignore people like the Watt himself by giving volunteers credibility as they contributing as equals. Jones wanted to “redefine what peer-reviwed literature was” (e-mail 1089318616.txt) so perhaps we can do it for him (he seems a bit busy right now) A pro-am forum also helps legitimate scientists in the field (ie the non-warmists) to tap into an army of helpers when needed. And probably it will bring many other benefits. No doubt the idea will be scoffed at by the warmists but I think those who are already doing this level of pro-am work should consider forging forward with this as over time it will be accepted.
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Amateur astronomers have many, many formal pro-am collaboration relationships and organizations that are valued and embrased by professionals. Amateurs have even detected planets oribiting other stars, a feat that has only just becaome possible for professionals a decade or so ago. Here’s are a few examples of the sophisticated level of collaboration taking place, although in the early years it was tough going as pros were reluctant partners, but now about 5 years later its 180 degree turnaround.
Pro-Am collaboration to unveil the atmosphere of Venus
http://www.europlanet-eu.org/demo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=41
Results from an ongoing collaboration between amateur astronomers and the European Space Agency to support the Venus Express mission will be presented at the European Planetary Science Congress in Potsdam on Wednesday 22nd August. Silvia Kowollik, from the Zollern-Alb Observatory in Germany and one of the participants in the project, said, “This is the first time there’s been a European collaboration between amateur astronomers and scientists. In the United States, they have a long tradition and a lot of experience in this kind of work. In Europe we are just starting.” “There have been huge advances in relatively cheaply available equipment, which means that amateurs can take images in wavelengths from infrared through to ultraviolet with impressive accuracy and content. These amateur observations are the last link in a chain that starts with Venus Express and continues with the professional ground-based activities. When joined together, all these observations will all help to peel back the atmosphere of Venus and reveal her mysteries.”
Amateur Discovers Gamma-Ray Burst Afterglow
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/3307961.html?page=1&c=y
Last July 25th Berto Monard of Pretoria, South Africa, became the first amateur astronomer to discover a gamma-ray burst’s fading visual afterglow. Dubbed GRB 030725, the burst was first spotted by the NASA/Massachusetts Institute of Technology High Energy Transient Explorer-2 (HETE-2) spacecraft, which immediately relayed its approximate coordinates to astronomers worldwide.
Gamma-Ray Bursts monitored by Amateurs
http://www.pbs.org/seeinginthedark/astronomy-topics/gamma-ray-bursts.html
The afterglow starts to fade right away, so the earlier you catch the explosion, the more likely you are to be able to photograph the afterglow. Astronomers have sent x-ray telescopes into orbit to scan the sky, to catch the first x-ray afterglow of a burst as soon as possible. The latest of these satellites, called Swift, has been making a slew of discoveries since its launch in November 2004. True to its name, the Swift satellite instantly dispatches e-mail alerts to amateur and professional astronomers around the world. Many observers alerted by Swift will be on the wrong side of the world or under cloudy skies, but a few have a chance to catch the visible afterglow. As there are many more amateur than professional astronomers, and many have the kinds of telescopes and CCD cameras needed to measure the fading brilliance of a gamma-ray burst, the odds are that the discovery will be made by an amateur. As described in our film, the amateur astronomer Michael Koppelman captured just such an image, and it turned out to be one of the most distant gamma-ray bursts ever observed—its distance a staggering 11 billion light years. One day when the different kinds of gamma-ray bursts are better understood, it is likely that the amateur astronomy community will have played a significant part in exposing the secrets of these violent events.
Astronomers Launch Pro-Am “Registry” (check out the amateur’s observatory)
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/3309186.html?page=1&c=y
The past decade has seen an explosion in the number of backyard observers using high-end equipment and sophisticated software to record faint asteroids, discover supernovae, and even detect extrasolar planets. So it’s not surprising that many accomplished amateurs yearn to contribute directly to scientific research. Among the dozens of practicing astronomers attending the AAS special session was Alan Harris (Space Science Institute), who points out that amateur observers have determined about a third of the 1,500 known rotation periods for asteroids. “Amateurs are always thanking us for the interest we professionals show in their work, but I think it’s going in the wrong direction,” Harris comments. “It’s we who should be thanking them for their involvement.”
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Another example is in ornithology
Association of Field Ornithologists
http://www.afonet.org/about/index.html
The Association of Field Ornithologists (AFO) is a membership organization dedicated to the study and conservation of birds and their natural habitats. The AFO prides itself as serving as a bridge between the professional and the amateur ornithologist. The organization’s membership and governing council consist of both amateur and professional ornithologists, in recognition of the contributions that both make to ornithology.
hmmm, guess its possible but seems amazing. 4/3 * pi * 75^3 = 1.8 million cubic light years divided by 100000 = average distance between stars 17.7 light years. Obiously there are alot of them way closer to each other than that.
Spectacular photo, the link to the calendar was amazing.
Is the black surround a ‘picture frame’ or is the cluster that (presumably) spherical shape?
This is a lovely picture and thank you for posting it. Re life in a star cluster – looks beautiful to us, but has anyone read Nightfall by Isaac Asimov?
Still, as EM Smith has said, interstellar travel would be somewhat easier in such a crowded place. What we’re looking at here could be something similar to the Romulan Empire – perhaps a good thing for us that it’s 25,000 light years away!
Sometimes, when I wake up in the morning and meditate about the universe, I can’t help thinking to myself,
“Man, this is the shit! Who ordered all this?”
One can only imagine that many of those stars are orbited by planets similar to those in our solar system. Unfortunately, imagination is all we’ve got at this time. It’s wonderful just the same.
Thanks for the awsome picture. It made my day.
Christopher Hanley (23:02:38) :
> Is the black surround a ‘picture frame’ or is the cluster that (presumably)
> spherical shape?
It’s a sphere. Here’s an excellent amateur image (wider field of view)
http://stoney-hills.com/html/m13.html
E.M.Smith (22:45:04) :
Wow… Stars close enough to each other that interstellar travel might actually be possible.
How much closer would you like to be to our sun? It’s pretty, but can in support life?
Actually… that’s 1 star per 17.7 *cubic* light years, making it some 3.2ly on average between stars, assuming an even distribution. Of course, the distribution is not even, but denser towards the middle of the cluster.
Final post 🙂
Here are some excellent deep sky images by amateur astronomers:
http://www.yankee.us.com/images2.html
http://www.feraphotography.com/Gallery.html
http://www.imagingdeepsky.com/
http://www.galaxyphoto.com/
Can you tell I’m an amateur! Enjoy what “amateurs” accomplish!!
Happy New Year and best wishes.
The Archive at
has some stunning vistas.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
Andrew Parker (22:51:53) :
O.K., if the solar system is currently hurtling through a 6000 C gas cloud, how does that affect optical accuracy?
Not at all. The solar wind filling the solar system has a ‘temperature’ of some 20,000C [right this minute] and we see the planets quite well.
Leif Svalgaard (23:33:00) :
Not at all. The solar wind filling the solar system has a ‘temperature’ of some 20,000C [right this minute] and we see the planets quite well.
I apparently don’t have the knowledge you have Leif, but I can’t help but question your claim. Does that include our solar system? And if so or if not, at what speed is it traveling? And is it losing temperature as it travels? And if so, at what rate?…just asking.
Do I see double Sun’s? These are Suns that rotate around each other.
Or are those galaxies rotating around each other?
Ah yes…
The Hercules globular cluster. I’ve looked at it with my telescope at home… a glorious beauty that literally brought tears to my eyes the first time I viewed it under perfect dark sky conditions.
M13 was the very first deep sky object I found when I first started into astronomy as a hobby. With an 8″ telescope I could literally see thousands of tiny points of light.
Puts a smile on my face as I’m typing this.
Ah, the wonders of the universe… something that’s definately not anthropogenic.
The strange thing is my intersest in WUWT’s traditional subjects and one theory that links planetary movements to different cycles of solar activity has drawn me into rediscovering gravity.
As the AGW debate has grown old and the warmist’s get shrill in intellectual defeat as they rightly trumpet political success … I find myself hunting down books discussing Einstein’s equations and what is next. Modified Gravity theories that do away with dark matter are especially interesting.
I highly recommend this video of Newton’s equations being derived from Einstein’s equations.
gtrip (23:57:08) :
but I can’t help but question your claim. Does that include our solar system? And if so or if not, at what speed is it traveling? And is it losing temperature as it travels? And if so, at what rate?…just asking.
On what ground would you question this?
Our solar system is filled with a hot gas [called the solar wind] with a temperature varying between 10,000C and 100,000C or more. Right now the temperature is 27,100 C. The Earth is travelling through this gas at a speed of 30 km/sec. The solar wind is expanding and the temperature is slowly decreasing, but remains hot throughout.