Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
This replaced the previous sticky, and I have this comment about the Economist. Bad form and unprofessional to use the word “denialists”. For WUWT readers who wish to complain: letters@economist.com or use their online form here. – Anthony
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE ECONOMIST
On Dec 11th, the Economist published an unsigned article attacking both me and my work. This open letter is my reply.
TO: The Person Unwilling to Sign Their Economist Article
Dear Sir or Madam;
Recently, you wrote a scathing article about me in the Economist discussing my post called The Smoking Gun At Darwin Zero. Some of it was deserved, but most was undeserved and false. The URL for your unprinicpled attack is http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/12/trust_scientists … trust_scientists? Trust_scientists?? Have you read the CRU emails?
But I digress … you begin by quoting from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, viz:
A change in the type of thermometer shelter used at many Australian observation sites in the early 20th century resulted in a sudden drop in recorded temperatures which is entirely spurious. It is for this reason that these early data are currently not used for monitoring climate change. Other common changes at Australian sites over time include location moves, construction of buildings or growth of vegetation around the observation site and, more recently, the introduction of Automatic Weather Stations.
The impacts of these changes on the data are often comparable in size to real climate variations, so they need to be removed before long-term trends are investigated.
While this is true, it doesn’t apply. None of the GHCN adjustments are from any of those sources. This is because the GHCN does not adjust for location moves. Nor does it adjust for construction of buildings, nor for any of the other items listed. The GHCN uses none of those to make its adjustments. So all of that is totally meaningless.
Next, you say the “explanation for the dramatic change in 1941 is simple”:
As previously advised, the main temperature station moved to the radar station at the newly built Darwin airport in January 1941. The temperature station had previously been at the Darwin Post Office in the middle of the CBD, on the cliff above the port. Thus, there is a likely factor of removal of a slight urban heat island effect from 1941 onwards. However, the main factor appears to be a change in screening. The new station located at Darwin airport from January 1941 used a standard Stevenson screen. However, the previous station at Darwin PO did not have a Stevenson screen. Instead, the instrument was mounted on a horizontal enclosure without a back or sides. The postmaster had to move it during the day so that the direct tropical sun didn’t strike it! Obviously, if he forgot or was too busy, the temperature readings were a hell of a lot hotter than it really was.
This might make sense if there were any “dramatic change in 1941”. But as I clearly stated in my article, <b>there is no such dramatic change</b>. The drop in temperature was gradual and lasted from 1936 to 1940. The change from 1940 to 1941 was quite average. So that claim of yours is nonsense as well. In any case, the change in screening did not coincide with the 1941 move. In my article I cited a reference to a picture of a Stevenson Screen in use in Darwin at the turn of the century. Perhaps you didn’t bother to read that.
So, to sum up your first arguments, changes in the Stevenson Screens and other local conditions cannot be the explanation for any of the GHCN adjustments because 1) the GHCN doesn’t use local conditions to make adjustments and 2) the timing of the screen change is wrong. In addition, there was no “dramatic change in 1941”.Next, you point out two actual mistakes I did make.
First, in my proofreading I did not catch that I that I had written “the 1941 adjustment” when I meant the 1930 adjustment. That should have been obvious to me, because there is no 1941 GHCN adjustment. My bad.
Second, I had said that the Darwin temperature data couldn’t have been adjusted by using the GHCN method. This method requires five neighboring stations to which Darwin can be compared. Why couldn’t the GHCN method be used? I said it was because in the earlier time periods like the 1930s, there were no such stations covering that time period within 500 km of Darwin. I was wrong, it fact there is one such station.
Neither of these errors of mine affect my point, which is that there are not enough neighboring stations to adjust Darwin using the main GHCN method. The GHCN folks mention this possibility, saying:
Also, not all stations could be adjusted. Remote stations for which we could not produce an adequate reference series (the correlation between first-difference station time series and its reference time series must be 0.80 or greater) were not adjusted. The homogeneity-adjusted version of GHCN includes only those stations that were deemed homogeneous and those stations we could reliably adjust to make them homogeneous.
Unfortunately, they adjusted Darwin anyway. Consider the GHCN adjustment in 1920. To find five stations around Darwin covering 1920, you have to go out 1,250 km. Nor is there any guarantee that those stations will be suitable. You need to have five stations with an 80% correlation with the Darwin record … I wish you the best of luck finding those five stations.
So while my statement about stations nearer than Daly Waters was wrong as you point out (there is one nearer station that covers the 1930 adjustment), my point was correct – there are not enough neighboring stations to adjust Darwin using the GHCN method. The first GHCN adjustment to Darwin was a single year adjustment in 1901. To get five “neighboring” stations for that adjustment, you have to go out 1728 km. You fail to deal with that issue at all. Instead, you say:
“So is it reasonable, if the GHCN is using complex statistical tools to adjust the temperature readings at Darwin based on surrounding stations, that they might come up with the figures they came up with? Sure. No. Yes. I have no idea. And neither does Mr Eschenbach. Because in order to judge that, you would have to have a graduate-level understanding of statistical modeling. … I don’t understand that formula. I don’t have the math for it.”
“Surrounding stations”? We’re talking about stations a thousand km away and more, not surrounding stations.
And while I am sorry to hear of the lacunae in your math education, please don’t make the foolish assumption that others are similarly limited. I have no problem with the GHCN math. If you truly have no idea on the question as you say … then why are you excoriating my ideas on the question?
Nor is it inherently a complex question. The question is, should temperatures more than a thousand km away from Darwin be used to arbitrarily adjust Darwin’s temperature by a huge amount? You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Next, as an aside you make the scurrilously false statement that I said that claims of damage due to sea level rise in Tuvalu “stemmed from attempts by locals to blame subsidence problems on the developed world, and cash in on it”. I said no such thing nor do I believe it. The claims stemmed from misguided environmentalists.
Next, you say “He makes it sound as if he’s just happened to stumble across this one site whilst perusing a debate over climate change in northern Australia. But as his link to that conversation from 2000 makes clear, Mr Eschenbach is already aware that climate change denialists have been trumpeting the apparent anomalies at Darwin for nine years.” BZZZZT, poor understanding of the implications of chronology. I looked up the conversation after I stumbled across Darwin. How dare you accuse me of lying? As I said, I went to AIS to see if what Professor Karlen had said was true. I called up a list of all of the stations in Australia that covered 1900-2000. Darwin was the first on the list, so that’s the one I looked at. Try it and see. You accusation is both wrong and totally unfounded.
“[Climate change denialists] do so because of that errant data at Darwin from before 1941, which makes it look as though there was a cooling trend there. The fact that climate-change researchers have to do a particularly strong correction on the data at Darwin, because they moved their dang instruments from the downtown post office to the airport, makes Darwin a perfect place to look for support if you want to claim that climate-change scientists are cooking the data.”
While a correction in Darwin is perhaps necessary, it is cannot be because they “moved their dang instruments” in January of 1941. LOOK AT THE DATA. There is no big change in January of 1941. It occurred gradually over the previous five years. So your theory falls apart upon the simplest examination of the facts.
Next you say: “Average guys with websites can do a lot of amazing things. One thing they cannot do is reveal statistical manipulation in climate-change studies that require a PhD in a related field to understand.”
Your understanding of statistics is as poor as your understanding of chronology. The statistics used by GHCN are average college level tools. You are dazzled by the fact that you don’t understand them, so you make the incredibly foolish assumption that no one without “a PhD in a related field” can understand them either. Some of us actually paid attention in class, you know.
Finally, you use your closing arguments to cheerlead for peer review. Curiously, I agree with you in theory … but the peer review system in climate science is badly broken. First, as the CRU emails clearly show, it has been subjected to enormous “old-boy” pressures to pass through bad studies without a second glance, and to deny opposing papers a fair hearing. How do you think we got the Hockeystick and its cousins? Here’s Phil Jones from the emails, talking about keeping peer-reviewed papers out of the IPCC report:
I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!
And you give your article the URL “trust_scientists”???
Second, the peer-review system is ripe for abuse. This is because the reviewers often know who the author is, while the reviewers (like you) hide in anonymity. This invites malfeasance. The system needs to be changed so that after the review, the [authors] sign their names to the paper as well as reviewers. At present, we have no way of knowing whether the paper was seriously reviewed by inquiring scientists, or simply passed through by the authors friends.
So I, like you, support peer review. I just want a peer review system that works. It must be double blind during the review period, with neither the reviewers nor the author knowing the others’ names. And the reviewers should reveal their names at the end, so that we know it wasn’t just the author’s best mates doing the author a favor.
Since we have an easily manipulated system instead of a real peer review system, I opt for public peer review by putting my work on the web. This lets anyone, even anonymous innumerates like yourself, register your objections.
Finally, the Economist did not contact me before publishing an article full of false accusations, incorrect assumptions and wrong statements … looks like peer review is not the only system in trouble here. I thought journalists were under an obligation to check their facts before making accusations …
Willis Eschenbach
I realise that thread is not specifically about the embedded advert, but….
Having watched the video regarding the Brazilian forests and the Carbon trading schemes,
is it also worth noting this present protest, with maybe a sticky thread of other similar protests / events happening around the world because of the AGW / Carbon credits scam.
http://agmates.ning.com/group/peterspencerhungerstrike?unfollow=1&xg_source=msg_com_group
I think this explanation of what has happened in Australia and why links together what we already mostly know,
namely the connection between AGW and Govt’s regardless of how it effects the people.
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/12/12/carbongate-the-great-carbon-heist/
VG (02:43:01) :
“I still would like to see a detailed response to this
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/12/trust_scientists and I am pretty sure there will be.”
I’m trying to be as objective as possible about the issue of the adjustments to Darwin Zero and the more I look into the issue the more confused I become. I followed the link provided by VG above (thankyou VG), and read the article, which is critical of Willis Eschenbach post. This part caught my eye.
“Mr Eschenbach complains about the GHCN’s adjustments, saying that there are too few nearby stations to make an adjustment: “The nearest station that covers the year 1941 is 500 km away from Darwin. Not only is it 500 km away, it is the only station within 750 km of Darwin that covers the 1941 time period.” He’s talking about the Daly Waters Pub, but he’s inexplicably wrong. The GISS website he used for his own data shows two closer stations operating in 1941, Katherine Aer (272 km) and Wyndham Port (454 km). Both had temperature data series that ran for a long time.”
OK so let’s agree then that the Katherine Aer Station at 272 km is the closest. The author of the article makes some play about the intellectual authority of PHDs using supermaths to be able to make adjustments based on locality and he even sites a formula, which he admits he does not understand, to explain how clever these people are, even though the methodology behind the formula is rejected.
As a simple check as to what adjustments might be made to Darwin Zero as a consequence of the proximity of Katherine Aer I plotted the raw data for the two stations together, between the years 1941 and 1984; the full length of the Katherine Aer data.
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=t2QD%2BVcjymV7QaPNV9kaVoh4l5k2TGxc
Series 1 is Darwin, Series 2 is Katherine Aer
Why am I confused?
Well take a look and will someone please tell me what it is about the raw Katherine Aer data that could justify any change to the raw Darwin data. Or is it a case that the raw Wyndham Port Data is used to justify changes to the Katherine Aer data which has a “knock on” effect to the Darwin Zero data.
VG (02:43:01) :
‘I am curious to why Anthony would keep this posting on the top for so long as this has not been done before.’
“This isn’t from the GHCN, or from the East Anglia Climate Research Unit. It’s from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM). They conduct their own “homogenisation” of Australian temperature data sites, independent of the GHCN. And here’s the temperature plot that the BOM came up with for the Darwin site:” From the “The Economist”
My qauestion would be: Has “Australian Bureau of Meteorology” Adjustment method been V and V? Or are they using an off shoot of URC adjustment?
Apologies for the error in my previous post
series 1is Katherine Aer and series 2 is Darwin Zero
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=t2QD%2BVcjymV7QaPNV9kaVoh4l5k2TGxc
Makes no difference to the point I’m trying to make.
We do indeed need a detailed response to
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/12/trust_scientists
REPLY: I agree. Oddly there is no author name attached to the Economist piece last time I looked, which is strange and in my opinion, poor form. It appears that it was written mostly by Tim Lambert. Lambert of course deserves no attention, because he’s shown himself to be juvenile and rude by immediately claiming “lying” in his title. He works at a university. I suggest he look at their publishing standards.
The Economist piece however, makes no such juvenile claims and gets a wider audience, and is well worth rebuttal. Perhaps Wills will rebut, I’ll suggest. -Anthony
“Yes, Bill, Willis has been rather quiet. Some cumulative questions I’ve posted:”
Since you’re mentioning it, I’m still waiting for Mann/Jones to answer some cumulative questions posted all over the intarnet…
Why this been unstickied? Its the smoking gun and all that.
REPLY: edit error on my part – thanks for pointing it out! back now – Anthony
cherry picking but LOL
http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html
Actually I would not trust BOM adjusted data too much these days considering the Australian government’s agenda and pressure for them to “perform”
RoHa (07:13:26) :
We do indeed need a detailed response to
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/12/trust
OK riddle me this because I’m still confused about the rational behind the arguments in the Economist’s article.
I am sure that the station change to Darwin airport in 1941 and the adjustments applied as a result, are a “red herring”. Although suspicious, it clouds an issue which I believe has a more significant impact on the reliability of adjusting temperature data.
In the article, three stations are quoted to refute Willis Eschenbach’s post by suggesting that the data adjustments applied to Darwin can be justified on the grounds that nearby raw station data (Katherine Aer-272 km ,Wyndham Port-454 km and Kalumburu-approx 500 km), demonstrates a warming trend that is not apparent in Darwin.
I would dispute this. For as long as the raw data are available, Darwin has an almost identical trend to both Katherine (1941 to 1980) and Kalumburu (1945 to 1992).
http://i45.tinypic.com/30bg4xz.jpg
(series 1 is Katherine, series 2 is Kalumburu and series 3 is Darwin)
The odd one out appears to be Wyndham Port, which does display a divergence of approx 0.4 of a degree between 1941 and 1963. However, during this time the data adjustments applied to Darwin by GHCN increase the temperature by a whopping 0.6 of a degree. This excludes any possible issue relating to 1941, and shows that either the Wyndham Port data has a totally disproportionate influence on the temperature metric for the area or… I’m missing something obvious!
What’s up with that? You tell me!
I would love to see how the NIWA data has been “value-added.” I understand that the raw data in NZ shows no real trend, but when adjusted, suddenly the trend appears. I would love to know what percentage of data points have been adjusted to increase the slope vs those that decrease the slope.
Looks like AP has come on board
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRa5F7Lv_zO0ZKaHmbQENlyV3KdgD9CHUS980
This is just the start, probably. Wait until thy see the data and programming files! and of course the real smoking gun.. the raw data…
Where I get confused with this Darwin biz is WHAT Data are we referring to?
These two papers spell out clearly that the BoM data has already been adjusted for site changes, adding Stephenson screens etc etc.
First by Torok in 96
http://134.178.63.141/amm/docs/1996/torok.pdf
Then by Della-Marta in 2004.
http://www.giub.unibe.ch/~dmarta/publications.dir/Della-Marta2004.pdf
Therefore there is no justification in any other organisation (CRU etc) to make any further adjustments to the data.
May I suggest you run a calc for Darwin here:
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/hqsites/site_networks.cgi?variable=meanT&period=annual&state=nt
but run the mean MONTHLY stats and you’ll see it’s a 0.01C/decade trend – same with the nearest stations – all around 0.01/dec – 0.02/dec
Yet if you do the Annual Anomaly you get 0.13C/dec trend.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/hqsites/site_data.cgi?variable=meanT&area=aus&station=014015&dtype=anom&period=annual&ave_yr=T
i might add that if you want the data that Torok used and his methodology you can find it all here:
ftp://ftp2.bom.gov.au/anon/home/bmrc/perm/climate/temperature/annual/
“The files in this subdirectory are associated with the Australian
High Quality Temperature Data Set
The directory should contain these files
UNIX FORMAT
readme ‘This file’
method.utx ‘Outline of the method used to prepare the data sets.’
alladj.utx.Z ‘List of adjustments made to the data
and reasons for adjustment.’
finaln.utx.Z ‘Data file of minimum temperatures’
fianlx.utx.Z ‘Data file of maximum temperatures’
Files ending in .Z have been compressed using the unix compress
command. To uncompress them type uncompress FILENAME at the
unix promt once you have transferred the file to your system.
“
From the above files I have been able to create a Maximum Temperature chart for Darwin from 1882 – 1993
http://users.tpg.com.au/johnsay1/Stuff/Darwin.png
Have you read Iowahawk’s entry regarding global warming? It is very good.
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/12/fables-of-the-reconstruction.html#more
with a trend line over 100 years.
http://users.tpg.com.au/johnsay1/Stuff/Darwin_T.png
Here’s Sydney from 1859 – 1993
http://users.tpg.com.au/johnsay1/Stuff/Sydney.png
Will, i suggest you withdraw the new article temporary, sleep a night, and edit it when you have calmed down.
You could use the GISS map of the change between 1939 to 1941 which clearly shows a cooling of more than -0.5C for Darwin. (although 1938 to 1942 shows a warming).
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2009&month_last=10&sat=4&sst=0&type=anoms&mean_gen=0112&year1=1939&year2=1941&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg
Is it just my imagination or are warmists actually saying that no matter what the emails say the north pole is still losing ice therefore AGW is still true, yet when ice cores show the MWP and warmer periods far into the past that is just regional weather and not climate?
So 0.6 and 1.0 are within the margin of error, as BOM sees it?
End of discussion, then, I’d say.
Even if Eschenbach is completely wrong and the adjustments are totally aboveboard and well thought-out (a big if), the output is hardly usable to look for a half-degree signal.
I believe the Economist guy when he says he’s bad with numbers.
is borenstein writing for the economist ?
Why would theEconomist have an article on this?
Back to work trying to finish off the basic analysis and graphing of 190 years of high/low temp data for Minneapolis/St. Paul.
General feel to this point..NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES..
Waiting to statistically prove that. (Or demonstrate it.)
This AVERAGE TEMPERATURE NONSENSE drives me nuts! It is UNREAL AND REPRESENTS USELESS DATA.
YOU CANNOT “AVERAGE” TEMPERATURES.
“Hotest October” in Darwin. SO WHAT. That proves NOTHING. It’s called WEATHER.
Max