This is likely to cause a bit of a stir. Michael from the Climate Skeptics Party in Australia writes in Tips and Notes:
The TCS ad campaign hit the airwaves last night in Australia. I thought you might be interested and post them on your website.
Here are the other TV advertisements:
Kind Regards
Michael
The Climate Sceptics
Policy and Media Unit
Townsville Qld
email: climatesceptics.policy.media@gmail.com
website: http://www.climatesceptics.com.au
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Icarus
Do you seriously believe we have a genuine global temperature, let alone have the accuracy to parse it to 0.2C?
Tonyb
Spoof version of the UK CO2 Ad.
Kath (12:53:28) :
“M White (10:32:36) :
“Cherry picked from over 400,000 years ago
http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdiac.esd.ornl.gov%2Ftrends%2Ftemp%2Fvostok%2Fgraphics%2Ftempplot5.gif”
A very interesting plot from Vostok. It would seem that homo sapiens, from the start of recorded history around 8k years ago, have been living in fairly mild conditions.”
And the time spent at 0.00 degrees is ‘momentary’, a upward blip of probably a few thousand years followed by a stretched out decline between -2 to -8,lasting 100kyrs. Our 8kyrs is indeed long and we may be in line for a fall.
This pattern on this graph at least is regular (peaks at 75-100kyrs),so we are indeed fortunate to be thriving in this long interglacial and expressing our full genetic potential as a creative species. Think of the small numbers of HS huddled in caves for those long ice-age periods, with the same brain power, feelings and potential as us, and think about the current trivial complaint about Global Warming.
The need to push for an audit of the BOM climate model.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/trendmaps.cgi?map=tmax&area=aus&season=0112&period=1940
There is a big warming right up the middle of WA where people and records are scarce so it has been filled from somewhere..
How it can show the warming it does for Kalgoorlie , Marble bar and Meekatharra from 1910-1920-1930-1940 to 2008 is nonsense.
http://members.westnet.com.au/rippersc/kalcomb.jpg
http://members.westnet.com.au/rippersc/mbar.jpg
http://members.westnet.com.au/rippersc/murchison.jpg
Here is a map of the stations
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/wa-observations-map.shtml
From 1940 it shows 0.15 – 0.2 degrees per decade of warming (1.02 – 1.36 dgrees total) when the temperture in all three spots has decreased.
The model is seriously flawed in my opinion.
I think a dozen other ads should be created using the format of the first three. I.e., each should stress only a single point. Put the ball in the opponents’ court, and let them try to return the serve. Here are some topics to discuss–I urge others to add to my list, and even to suggest scripts.
Sea levels
Hurricanes
Polar bears
Tropospheric hot spot
Antarctica
Glaciers
Kilimanjaro
Hockey stick
Ripper:
I agree! Have a look at the map of Reference Climate Stations for Australia at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/reference.shtml
While there is a good geographical scattering of stations, notice the density in the south east, especially the southern coast. There are more stations in each of Victoria and Tasmania than the whole NT. One good reason not to rely on surface data, stick to satellites.
Pretty hot here now, and inland and southern areas many degrees above average- normal for summer! And the all time temperature records are in the remote north and northwest- Cloncurry and Marble Bar- and were set in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Oh come now – –
If we are unwilling to accept trends drawn from 30 years of Arctic satellite data, then it goes without saying that three, five, or seven years is absolutely meaningless.
PLM – Slightly OT, buy speaking of modeling and trends this just out from Spiegel Online:
Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html
“Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.”
Congrats Steve, Jeff & Anthony!
“Perhaps we suggested too strongly in the past that the development will continue going up along a simple, straight line. In reality, phases of stagnation or even cooling are completely normal,” says Latif.”
MIke O (06:52:11) :
There has been an open challenge for two years since Miskolczi`s Law was presented to disprove its math. Until now no one has. I have seen a claim by the commenter Icarus that it is flawed because it makes a wrong assumption. I asked Icarus several times to present his proof work for this. He never did do it. It appears he was only repeating something he found in a blog or in Wikipedia. But I could be wrong.
Miskolczi`s Law still stands today. If there is someone who has done the math and found it to be wrong then please present your entire case to the math and science world. Your work will have to be scrutinized thoroughly before you can claim to have disproved Miskolczi`s Law.
As proud member #82 of The Climate Skeptics Party I tip my hat to Leon. By founding the party he has drawn togther a bunch of highly skilled and qualified people. These include scientists, statisticians and highly motivated and well educated men and women from all over Australia. This should be noted by Rudd and Wong that not all Australians agree with the ETS unlike he would have us believe.
For those who can get to Alan Jones site, listen very carefully to his interview with Lord Christopher Monkton.
If Rudd signs anything in Copenhagen he should be charged with treason against Australia and it’s citizens.
Jamama
To a point you are correct. The ads are not Cecil B Demille productions because as a new organisation our funds (we get no funding from big oil) are pretty limited. However please feel free to make a donation and we;ll see if we can come up with something a bit better.
Ok men, form ranks, we have a job to do.
Ian
“If we are unwilling to accept trends drawn from 30 years of Arctic satellite data, then it goes without saying that three, five, or seven years is absolutely meaningless.”
The full PDO cycle is 60 years, and arctic temperature records and/or testimony supports such a pattern. So it’s correct to dismiss 30 years as only half the story.
The recent flat-lining of the global temperature trend is meaningful, because:
1. It coincides with a downturn in the PDO and Atlantic oscillations.
2. It undermines the logic of the alarmists’ case, because their models failed to predict it, and their models claim a fairly tight linkage between increasing CO2 and rising temperatures. They made lots of hay about the correlation in the 90s, so turnabout is fair play. I.e., if correlation counts in their favor, lack of correlation counts against them.
Ripper:
“The need to push for an audit of the BOM climate model.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/trendmaps.cgi?map=tmax&area=aus&season=0112&period=1940
There is a big warming right up the middle of WA where people and records are scarce so it has been filled from somewhere..
How it can show the warming it does for Kalgoorlie , Marble bar and Meekatharra from 1910-1920-1930-1940 to 2008 is nonsense.”
As a West Australian, I’ve been wondering about that as well. I have Western Australia temp records from 32 locations from pre-1900 to the present at http://www.waclimate.net. I don’t maintain Meekatharra data because the town’s records don’t go back far enough, but the BoM stats for Kalgoorlie are:
1901-1930 at Kalgoorlie Post Office
(elevation 361m, 30 years)
Average mean minimum 12.0
Average mean maximum 25.8
1921-1950 (30 years) / min 12.2 / max 25.7
1931-1953 (23 years) / min 12.2 / max 25.4
1941-1953 (13 years) / min 12.2 / max 25.2
Relocation to Kalgoorlie/Boulder Airport
(elevation 365m, 4km distance)
1942-1970 (29 years) / min 11.2 / max 25.1
1951-1980 (30 years) / min 11.5 / max 25.1
1961-1990 (30 years) / min 11.7 / max 25.2
1971-2000 (30 years) / min 11.8 / max 25.2
Kalgoorlie 12 months from November 2008 – October 2009
Mean annual minimum 11.98
Mean annual maximum 25.43
… and for Marble Bar (reputedly the hottest place on earth)
1901-1930 (30 years surveyed)
Average mean minimum 19.7
Average mean maximum 35.6
1921-1950 (30 years) / min 19.6 / max 35.5
1931-1960 (30 years) / min 19.7 / max 35.4
1941-1970 (30 years) / min 19.6 / max 35.2
1951-1980 (30 years) / min 19.9 / max 35.1
1961-1990 (30 years) / min 20.1 / max 35.0
1971-2000 (30 years) / min 20.4 / max 35.1
Marble Bar 12 months from November 2008 – October 2009
Mean annual minimum 20.37
Mean annual maximum 35.42
Gene Nemetz (21:37:46) “Miskolczi`s Law still stands today.”
Regardless of one’s view on this, which for many will be apathy & indifference….
If the aim of ad 4 is to say, “We are goofy hyperpartisan freaks”: Success.
If ad 4 isn’t a plant made by an undercover alarmist operative, it is grounds for both dismissal of an incompetent nonalarmist operative and questioning of the lieutenant who put a joker on the front line in a serious battle.
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Can someone set up a fund to put an ad in the UK or the USA. I would contribute.
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And while you are at it, why not throw $50 at Mr Watts – he deserves it.
http://www.surfacestations.org/donate.htm
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>>There is a big warming right up the middle of WA
>>where people and records are scarce so it has been
>>filled from somewhere..
>>How it can show the warming it does for Kalgoorlie ,
>>Marble bar and Meekatharra from 1910-1920-1930-
>>1940 to 2008 is nonsense.”
Have you not noticed that they put these great warming events in the remotest of places, so people cannot object that it is not happening. The last one was in northern Siberia.
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Paul vaughn; your comments are pretty irritating; you substantiate none of your cheap shots; Miskolczi has been bloged to death; none of the big shots who purported to shoot holes in his concepts have been peer reviewed; and the fact is M has been verified by optical death, ERBE, SH and cloud data. As Michael says the public in Australia, courtesy of the terrible msm, with few exceptions, and especially the taxpayer funded ABC, has been fed absolute drivel pro-AGW papers like Mann, Briffa, Steig etc; it’s about time they told there is an alternative that has been legitimised.
John Egan (21:04:17) :
Oh come now – –
If we are unwilling to accept trends drawn from 30 years of Arctic satellite data, then it goes without saying that three, five, or seven years is absolutely meaningless.
Oh come now —
30 years ago we were just coming out of a cooling period, so that’s just a convenient cherry pick for you Alarmists. Thankfully, we have warmed up a little since the end of the LIA. Can’t you people just be thankful for that and stop with the hand-wringing already?
cohenite (02:50:06) “Paul vaughn; your comments are pretty irritating”
This is serious business cohenite. Sloppiness will turn a potentially constructive offense into a messy defense.
From the comments I sense trigger-happy giddiness. Before charging into battle, I advise sobriety. The cost of sloppy first steps could be quite formidable. I get the clear sense that many folks around here think it’s time for hiring clowns & resting on laurels.
So according to Nick Minchin Carbon dioxide is harmless? Just his opinion, arent we all some people elected him?
, Umm, what was one of the problems on apollo 13, here’s something from NASA.
If you go and view Leon Ashby’s propaganda presentation on climateskeptics.com.au it even gives a ridiculuous graph of plant growth going up to 2400ppm, these people are dangerous.
Someone ought to these simple farmers explain that in this country, that water is the limiting reactant in the photosynthesis equation, carbon dioxide, there is plenty of!
sorry forget the nasa link to problems with too much co2: http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo-13/apollo-13.html
Climate Change Debate Sky TV – Piers Corbyn & John Ackers – 19th Oct 2009
Note the dignity & composure with which Corbyn conducts himself.
Interesting interview.
Ackers raises an interesting point about “organization” of nonalarmist forces.
Karl, what is dangerous about being a climate skeptic?
Also it is obvious you haven’t done much research into elevated levels of CO2.
A quick look through the research papers (google plant growth and CO2) and you will find that plants (biomass) increase condiderably at 1000, 2000 and even up to 5000 ppm CO2. You will also see that plants grown in such conditions need less water and become more resistant to droughts. Just what we need in Australia don’t you think?
The levels of CO2 that the Apollo 13 astronaughts had to deal with will never
happen in our atmosphere
Ian, you and other skeptics are dangerous.
Human physiology measurably suffers once we get past 800ppm and you are talking about how well some plants love 5000ppm?
Of course CO2 is not a poison in the quantities we have now, but you play with that balance that has been maintained for the last 100000 years, increasing it by 30% such as we have done in the last 100 years, and we are going to change how things work here on earth, and we dont know all the possible consequences.
Australia’s plants dont seem to be doing any better on the increasing diet of CO2 now do they! Please look up the photosynthesis reaction, you’ll find that its CO2 +H20 that is needed. Throwing more CO2 wont change the reaction if it is limited for water.
So perhaps you can get all the farmers to plant these crops(come in all the things we eat do they?) that just require CO2 and no water. Get real.
I live in Melbourne Australia and haven’t seen the ads yet. However I do only watch TV after 5:00pm. I do believe a 30 second ad costs around $40,000 AUD. I have never believed in Global Warming/Climate Change from day one just from a common sense point of view. Yet I didn’t know it was going to cost me and my family money. Finally I think the tide is turning.