For those of you that missed it on CSPAN1 today, watch this and get an understanding of what just happened.
My own representative, Wally Herger had a few things to say also:
It is the most fired up I’ve ever seen him. In an email a couple of days ago to his chief of staff at our local office, I had described his floor speeches as being like a “churchmouse”.
I think he got the message.
UPDATE:
For those that want to read it, here is the bill and amendment. Warning: BIG FILES, long downloads.
Text of original bill:
http://www.eenews.net/public/25/11457/features/documents/2009/06/23/document_daily_03.pdf
Amendment Text:
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/SpecialRules/hr2998/waxman1_hr2998_111.pdf
This Bill would supposedly bring us more National security through reducing dependence on foreign oil. So they want to chain us to tax and higher costs for that? Shouldn’t we just drill in Alaska and solve the ‘dependence on foreign oil’ problem while we are looking for cleaner energy alternatives?
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
~Benjamin Franklin
Ron de Haan (16:22:16) :
Before I forget it, kudos and respect for the 44 Democrats that have voted AGAINST the Climate Bill.
Don’t be so quick. Things are not always what they appear to be. Watch the video at this link. It will start after a short ad.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14187569&ch=4226716&src=news
Robert (20:37:21)
“My republican representative to my government voted in FAVOR of this unbelievably stupid piece of legislation. How did this happen. Why did this happen. It is a forgone conclusion that the people who placed their trust in this man to represent them to their government do not support his vote. [self-snip][RANT][Spittle even]”
Robert, you asked what you must do, and the short answer is that you must ensure that this person doesn’t return to Congress after the next election, even if you have to vote for a Democrat to make that happen. It is evident that this person doesn’t represent your interests. The following 8 Republicans voted FOR this terrible bill. None of them should be allowed to continue in office.
Bono Mack, Mary (CA-45) 202-225-5330
Castle, Mike (DE) 202-225-4165
Kirk, Mark (IL-10) 202-225-4835
Lance, Leonard (NJ-7) 202-225-5361
LoBiondo, Frank (NJ-2) 202-225-6572
McHugh, John (NY-23) 202-225-4611
Reichert, Dave (WA-8) 202-225-7761
Smith, Chris (NJ-4) 202-225-3765
On the other hand 44 Democrats voted AGAINST the bill. They might be considered for re-election
Ron
Just Want Results… (16:16:26) :
Warren Buffett on cap n trade starting at 4:10 of this video
He’s convinced about AGW. I’m a bit dissapointed.
Well, at this rate we’re all bound to be “burners” (literally: illegal burners of carbon-based fuels) now!
From the 1981 movie “Firebird 2015” (Warning: Grade B flick) with Darren McGavin warring against the Department of Vehicular Contrl (DVC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_2wWtacfO0
Consider: Not a ‘tavern’ owner per se, Jack was a “Night club” personality.
Think: Women, action, free invites (complimentary drinks) to the local constabulary (who also acted as bouncers and answered calls to the club) …
He was well known within the Dallas Poh-leece Department.
*No* conspiracy. Just look at the ‘associations’.
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Shouldn’t we just drill in Alaska and solve the ‘dependence on foreign oil’ problem while we are looking for cleaner energy alternatives?
The problem with THAT idea is that we would have more oil, reducing the need for work on the alternatives. We saw that last year – with high gas prices, there was an actual WORKING push to come up with alternatives from the private sector. (Not necessarily from the government – ever notice how the ‘advances’ they push never seem to come to fruition in the way they’re supposed to, and IF they actually do – the cost is at least double, usually extracted in ways we don’t expect?) Then the inflated price deflated, and now the efforts are kind of on the back burner.
I fully expect this bill – if it passes the Senate – will have unexpected ramifications that’ll do damage in ways that we can’t even begin to imagine at this time…
No conspiracy. (Besides, it wasn’t as if it were the first time he ordered a gun through the mail and shot a politician.)
The reason they are blowing the public off is precisely because most folks feel do not write, email or phone their congressmen/women. That is why they feel they can ignore the public will.
The solution is to have a broad based move to simply vote out all incumbents. It won’t happen in every case, but if enough incumbents have tight races or get dumped for new blood, the message will get through.
Right now the only time that happens is during a major power shift like the recent downfall of the Republican party or the prior wholesale dumping of Democrats during the Reagan years. The problem with that is they pickup the wrong message, and think it is a “mandate” to their party to do the sort of mindless crap we are seeing now from Reid and Pelosi pushing through junk they have had in the drawers for years just waiting for the sea change.
What we need is an election day massacre where incumbents regardless of party get tossed out in high enough numbers for them to catch on it is not a mandate for either party, it is a wake up call, and mandate for people who will not abuse their power and will be responsive to the public they supposedly represent for a change. That is the only way to break their sucking up to various voting blocks and giving away candy to any voting block that will mindlessly put them in power just because of the hat they wear.
Voting on a bill you have not read is in my mind criminal conduct. If a Lawyer, or corporate board member did that sort of thing he would get tossed in jail for failing his fiduciary and or due diligence duty to his client/stock holder.
There is an implied contract between the public and the elected officials that they will perform simple due diligence as they conduct our business. To vote on ANY bill good or bad without having read it is a direct violation of their oath of office and their duty to their constituents. The harm here is not related in any way to the good or harm a bill might represent it is a simple fundamental case of responsibility and professionalism and ethical conduct.
These people by voting on a bill, are signing contracts in our name as our representatives. They are obligating us to do things that they do not even understand. Their actions are no different than if every house member threw a pair of game dice, or flipped a coin on each bill. What they are doing is totally incompetent and negligent behavior, that alone should be enough to toss them out on their ear.
I think this is the issue to stress to your congressional representatives. You should not berate them for voting on a specific bill you should berate them for being incompetent and failing to perform the legal and professional duty when voting on ANY legislation. Hold them accountable for knowing what is in each bill they vote for. If they have not read and studied a bill they have no frigging business even setting foot in the chambers to cast a vote. An ignorant uninformed vote is worse than no vote at all.
We need to change the “climate” in congress where we hold them accountable for basic principles of behavior like understanding what they are voting on, not turn every vote into an issue about the merits of a specific bill. Like the climate change debate we need to hold them to fundamental standards of professional conduct.
It is real simple if you vote on bills you have note read — regardless about what the bill is about, you are not fit to serve in the Congress and should be tossed out at the earliest opportunity. Unfortunately I doubt there is a mechanism to attempt recall on every person that voted yes on any bill they have not read. If someone knows of a rule or procedure that at the constituent level, action to recall or impeach could be started, it would be nice to know about, so it could be mentioned in correspondence to our elected officials.
I think the mantra for the next election should be simply vote no on all incumbents!
Larry
‘The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.’ -Eisenhauer
scientifictechnological elite
The light of freedom fades and dims,
Our rights grow cold.
Barbarians plot their morbid whims,
The huns take hold.
Their cup with vile transgression brims,
Our suffrage sold.
Science saneness slumps and dims
We suffer now.
Sorcerous science soars and swims,
As warmers bow.
Unsacred science sings their hymns
To their cash cow.
The proud, who govern, have they won?
Is science now their hired gun?
Will they sink our kids in debt
As climate scams their lies abet?
Markey Waxman spun their web
The truths revealed they caused to ebb.
They lied about the heavy cost
Of opportunities now lost.
To fight the dread greenhouse effect
The taxman will the fees collect.
The sucking singularity
Will remove our liberty.
The trillions that will now be spent
Can never make a tiny dent
In climate, whether cold or hot.
But votes it will secure a lot.
The votes are there to spread the wealth
And then to snare the country’s health.
Shall we join the clean third world
With our socialistic flag unfurled?
Will the people benefit?
Who will science then permit
To go into earth’s paradise?
What will be the entry price?
If you’re alive will that suffice?
Or must you die to qualify?
The Senate now our only way
To stop this underhanded play.
And if we fail to stop it there
It then becomes a state affair.
If congress, senate and the state
Let stand this document to hate.
What sanctuary might we find
Where freedom’s values are enshrined?
And if this madness fills the globe
Shall we live the lows of Job?
And with persistence, sans dispair,
Can we, in time, this earth repair?
Life is short, the earth’s time long.
Work to right this monstrous wrong.
With guile and stealth we all must mend
This tattered, filthy wretched end
So that our offspring may ascend.
And If I swallow anything evil
Put your fingers down my throat
And if I shiver please give me a blanket
Keep me warm let me wear your coat
I’m watching Friday’s C-SPAN Washington Journal and there’s this Congressman, Jay Inslee.
OH MY GOD.. This guy makes me so freakin sick and angry. And he never shuts up.. he keeps going on and on and on and on..he’s so arrogant and full of himself.
And the Aussies take a dive…
Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
“Mr Turnbull indicated key concerns for the opposition are that there must be more support for coal mining in the ETS, and more capacity to reward the storing of carbon in soil and trees.”
Coalition ready to negotiate over ETS
bob paglee (07:54:42) shows brilliance in the words: “Cap for Pap“ …but what an indictment of our times that we have come so low it should even be written.
Another way to play rough is to start a recall petition for anyone who voted yes … honestly it always kills me that some states KNOW their representives are corrupt but keep putting them back in every election cycle. Beautiful thing though.. even the hard line greens are insulted by it:) 🙂 🙂 Did they actually expect any politician to keep their promises or actually solve any problem? Near as I can see, it wont reduce pollution of any kind, it wont help get us off of foreign oil dependency, and it will be a huge job and industry killer in the US, sending jobs to places that don’t even have EPA rules. Way to save the environment!!
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-center/releases2/greenpeace-opposes-waxman-mark
Just Want Results… (09:37:11) :
Can anyone imagine the suffering of the elderly during that?
It creates a quandry called Heat or Eat. Just put that in your search engine. Im not sure how he could have missed it. But don’t worry, Im sure there will be a pork package somewhere in there that will “solve” it. I am still wondering what the great deal New Jersey got? Anyone reading the thing find it yet?
Mike
It’s ‘Eisenhower’ ; )
John from the 50’s
The Congressional Democrats and Obama have declared war on America. It is high time that Americans declare political war on the group of leftists which includes the pathetic Republicrats! May they feel the wrath of the American people and all be voted out of office!!!
Just saw this at Gateway Pundit(sorry if already discussed)
“The bill, which now goes to the Senate, directs the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to develop and implement a national policy for residential and commercial buildings. The purpose of such a strategy – known as the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) – would be to “facilitate” the retrofitting of existing buildings nationwide.”
The CBO costs of compliance might be just a tad underestimated.