For those of you that missed it on CSPAN1 today, watch this and get an understanding of what just happened.
My own representative, Wally Herger had a few things to say also:
It is the most fired up I’ve ever seen him. In an email a couple of days ago to his chief of staff at our local office, I had described his floor speeches as being like a “churchmouse”.
I think he got the message.
UPDATE:
For those that want to read it, here is the bill and amendment. Warning: BIG FILES, long downloads.
Text of original bill:
http://www.eenews.net/public/25/11457/features/documents/2009/06/23/document_daily_03.pdf
Amendment Text:
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/SpecialRules/hr2998/waxman1_hr2998_111.pdf
I think that the long term strategy of the Left is to scrap Congress, if it proves to be unresponsive, in favor of rule by edict, as has happened in Latin America. All they need is to have a voting block large enough to keep Congress from being veto proof.
I heard a quote of Obama saying that the Democratic Party needed to be purged. Are they using this vote to create their hit list for 2010?
These conservatives and moderates need to wake up, put Country before Party, get rid of Pelosi, push the Left back to the radical fringe, and take back their Party.
yet, the TARP bill and 500 pages passed in a day too, with no reading required.
Boehner is right. The bills should be read before they are voted on.
I think this should be a law.
You can help support the “Read the Bills Act” at the link below:
http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/27
Senate to vote on cap & trade….contact them.
FACTS: WHY VOTE AGAINST CAP & TRADE
http://factreal.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/facts-why-vote-against-cap-trade-hr2454/
The hostile takeover is nearly complete now, the western world is in for some big changes.
The shadow regime that has been growing like a cancer inside the western world will soon be showing itself in all its ugly and sinister glory, you have to hand it to the NWO/CP commissar parasite classes, they have played a blinder and now they are about to reap the rewards.
Just a couple more more hurdles and the USA/western democracies are no more, the anti democratic noose will tighten quickly and very soon, the supine bought off MSM will report trivia and propaganda whle the commissar class enact all the new rules for the coming dictatorship, just a few hurdles and that will be that for western civilisation, gone in the blink of an eye!
This is going to go down in history as a very wrong decision.
From Churchill’s speech after the signing of the Munich Agreement in 1938 that consigned Czechoslovakia to the Nazi wolves,
“…. they should know that we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road; they should know that we have passed an awful milestone in our history, …. ”
Are US politicians determined to destroy the US economy on a belief in highly suspect science ?.
I love that … “Read the Bills Act” … Have they actually stooped so stinking low and so stinking stupid that we actually have to pass a bill that requires them to read the stinking bills? Do you think they will read that bill? LOL
A good friend has condos for sale in Asia (beach view to be specific). I was laid off today and I’m now planning my exit from the US in case our senators are as brain-dead as our congressmen. Today’s vote makes me want to puke.
Jesse
It appears that the House has lost its collective mind. I can’t believe they would do this to the country in the midst of this painful recession. The temperature anomaly for May was .05 degrees according to satellite data. How can the House pass legislation which would make us pay hundreds of billions more for energy based on that?
One more question: If the science is settled, tell me why the so-called experts can’t even agree on what the temperature was in May of 2009? GISS (the surface measurements) ranks May as the 5th warmest May out of the last 130 years. Satellite temperatures (UAH) rank it 16th out of 31. That is a fundamental yet unexplained difference. If the experts can’t even tell us if last month’s global temperature was above normal or just average, how are we supposed to believe that their computer models can accurately predict what the weather will be 20 years into the future?
This should be a new rule for Congress. Voting takes place on the last week of every month. The week prior should be spent in a series of townhall meetings IN THEIR DISTRICTS talking to their constituents. All bills must be submitted by the week of the townhall meetings to allow for public dissection and debate. Also, they will have to explain these bills to their constituents. This will clean things up pretty quickly. Who would want to go deal with an angry horde of people who could vote you out of office?
Climate Depot Editorial: Climate Bill’s Passage Represents ‘nothing more than unrestrained exercise of raw political power, arm-twisting and intimidation’
Andrew – Long term ? More damage has been done to this country in the last six months than I would have ever imagined. This climate bill is the last straw in my book. It perpetuates eco alarmism based on false assumptions and great marketing (propaganda). No one wants to say it here but they took an agenda, wrapped it in pseudo science and beat common sense to a pulp today. If they can spin a natural climate cycle into a global calamity worthy of monumental government action, I’m not sure what will get in their way ?
Sorry to say this but I’ve never seen a country ( or anything ) flush itself down the toilet so quickly. Talk about self abuse and taxing itself to death over NOTHING but some ” feel good leftist B.S agenda” without any reasonable scientific facts to back anything up. Doesn’t help when you have a talking head for president who can only speak with a teleprompter without it he stutters and repeats himself 100 times. I feel sorry for the once great USA. Goodbye ,it was nice knowing ya!
Brent in Calgary
Well my Congressman, Dave Obey voted yes. I am embarassed for him and ashamed.
Let Obey know, don’t keep it to yourself
Thanks Brent ! – we needed to lighten it up !
I think i’m going to open a bottle of wine…
Wyatt A (19:42:55) :
My question is that should this pass the Senate, where do we put (what remains of ) our savings before the economy collapses? Precious metals? Oil?
I’ve been calling everyone I know, and dare I say, there is no consensus. Some say gold, some say gold is overpriced and recommended other currencies, the rest had other ideas all over the board — but no one recommended a good mattress.
I managed to elude round 1last year (Massachusetts v EPA & what was going on with California real estate was enough for me), but I have yet to find a safe haven I’m comfortable with. And the bell is about to ring for round 2, and there ain’t no pretty woman walking around in a bikini holding a sign, but everyone here knows it’s coming.
Boehner was absolutely spot-on. This is the most profound legislation to hit the floor of the House in 100 years.
One could make the argument that General Electric would be such a safe haven if this makes it thru the Senate. I don’t know how Immelt has survived this long, but this bill may ultimately make him look like a genius (which he isn’t). Sad that I’m even considering it.
The weather will not change
Freedom will.
This is not a domestic American action. Freedoms lost in the USA if the US “Climate Bill” is passed in the US Senate will be freedoms lost around the world. Its passage would empower an oppressive form of socialism in all countries.
But it will not change the weather.
Fear engendered amongst the people by the distortion of science is but a lever for power. There is no care for humanity, nor for Earth itself. There is only selfishness and greed ridden on the backs of good people who do care but have been misled.
We have already stolen the rightful innocence of childhood from countless numbers of our children by instilling fear where there ought to be a sense of wonder. We have already stolen contentment from many good people by the manipulation of truth.
In doing so we have stunted mankind and discarded the hard-won wisdom of the ages.
And still the weather will not be changed; but we will be.
Oh, I don’t know. I think smug self righteousness has a lot to do with it. I don’t think democracy is (fundamentally) at risk, either. Representative republics do very stupid things sometimes. This is one such case.
The republicans need to stand together. Don’t stay home in 2010 the way some of you did in 2008.
United States of America
Born: July 4 1776
Died: June 26,2009
SUICIDE
REPLY: It is not law yet – Anthony
mkurbo,
Yes, open that bottle of wine. We aren’t the first persons in history to be opposing the stupidity of our “leaders”. We’re still here and we still have a lot of work to do. I realize that we have to assume the responsibility of being the adults, since our “leaders” have abdicated that and that means extra burdens now, on us. But it’s been that way for months/years now, so we may as well continue doing what we’ve been doing. There are still a lot of people who want to straighten our country out, so we are not alone. Get the people around you involved to help us, and let’s move forward with the truth. Preceding generations did as much in their time, now it’s our turn.
Andrew
I wasn’t A republican in the 2008 election, or a Democrat. I know which way I am going in 2010. Boehner earned my vote today, and the Democrats jeering at the end of the session was crude and immature. I will note that in my book, and vote accordingly.
Does anyone remember the TV series V?
Makes me want to buy a can of red spray paint.
Now I just need to work on the iconic symbol that is appropriate to the situation.
Larry
Perhaps the phrase “No you Can’t!” would work?
Larry
mkturbo,
I have been watching the rise of socialism in Latin America for the past 15 years. Trust me, there is a lot more on the agenda.
This bill passed by the narrowest of margins. Whatever was accomplished in the last six months, the momentum has slowed noticeably. If they follow the script, Congress will be portrayed as returning to politics as usual and an impediment to ‘Hope’ and ‘Change’. Soon, everything will be labeled a national emergency and Obama will rule by edict (like he isn’t already). The Constitution will be deemed too restrictive, outdated and in need of changing., A Constitutional Convention will be called for and….well, you get the general idea. It has all happened before in Latin America — the script is the same.
I ridiculed the conservatives and moderates in Latin America for seemingly standing by and just watching it happen without doing anything. I never thought it would happen here. It is happening here, and I am powerless to do anything but b***h and moan.
As scripted, the opposition (Republicans) are effectively emasculated by the regime and the MSM. It all rests with the moderate and blue dog democrats to stop this before the purge.
Call me paranoid, but it all looks so depressingly similar.
“By their own laws, we will destroy them.”
Anyone else noticed when this bill’s provisions take effect?
http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/tst062609a.cfm
Excerpts:
According to the analysis we conducted at The Heritage Foundation, which is attached to my written statement, the higher energy costs kick in as soon as the bill’s provisions take effect in 2012. For a household of four, energy costs go up $436 that year, and they eventually reach $1,241 in 2035 and average $829 annually over that span. Electricity costs go up 90 percent by 2035, gasoline by 58 percent, and natural gas by 55 percent by 2035. The cumulative higher energy costs for a family of four by then will be nearly $20,000.
But direct energy costs are only part of the consumer impact. Nearly everything goes up, since higher energy costs raise production costs. If you look at the total cost of Waxman-Markey, it works out to an average of $2,979 annually from 2012-2035 for a household of four. By 2035 alone, the total cost is over $4,600.
Overall, Waxman-Markey reduces gross domestic product by an average of $393 billion annually between 2012 and 2035, and cumulatively by $9.4 trillion. In other words, the nation will be $9.4 trillion poorer with Waxman-Markey than without it.
I’d make the argument that the higher costs will kick in months before 2012 in anticipation of the bill’s provisions taking effect. Just in time for the 2012 presidential election to kick into full gear.
So why 2012? Why would they jeopardize the presidency?
Or are they hedging their bets here because they know full well what is going to happen?
I think they chose 2012 for a reason, namely that they’re laying this at Obama’s feet to use his speaking abilities to gloss it over because they can’t handle it themselves.
You would think that if they really believed we were near a tipping point (as Waxman stated himself on the floor today) that they would want to implement this as soon as possible. After all, we’re on the verge of a climatic catastrophe, right?
Further illustrates that this is all politics and little to do with global warming.