Quote of the week #4

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Image from WUWT reader “Boudu”

This QOTW is from Pen Hadow, leader of the now farcical Catlin Arctic Ice Survey:

“It’s never wise to imagine that either man or technology has the upper hand in the natural world.”

That’s probably the only true statement  published from the expedition.

BTW I was planning on using Steve Keohane’s art this time, but his “tinypic” links expired. Steve if you want to submit again (or if anyone wishes to) I’ll be happy to use the artwork submissions posted here.

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mkurbo
April 19, 2009 8:57 am

I think Bill Clinton should come out and say “It’s the Sun, stupid”…

Pragmatic
April 19, 2009 9:06 am

“It’s never wise to imagine that either man or technology has the upper hand in the natural world.” Pen Hadow
Precisely Mr. Hadow. Which is why the hubris required by AGW theory causes the natural world to smile.

kim
April 19, 2009 9:15 am

He should have stood at home and watched the satellite images. The Arctic, on a seasonally adjusted basis, is freezing back up and will for another two decades, at least.
Foolish Prince, take note. You’ve got to make yourself minimally useful once your mother dies.
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H.R.
April 19, 2009 9:19 am

Smartest thing Pen ever said. Interesting things come out in unguarded moments, eh?

anubisxiii
April 19, 2009 9:31 am

Unfortunately, the irony of that statement will be lost on the very people who need to understand it the most.

April 19, 2009 9:33 am

Great phrase! Such a wise statement is like a prayer of the human kind. Fools use to imagine themselves greater than nature, even more powerful than God.
The lack of principles and a mounstrous self deceit and self indulging is what makes them to succeed, but just for a while, in the longer trend nature imposes its rule, its laws.

Jim Watson
April 19, 2009 9:34 am

For a fantastic story of polar exploration with REAL explorers with a REAL purpose, I can’t recommend “South With Endurance” enough–the Shackleton Antarctic Expedition from 1914-1917.
The incredible photographs of Frank Hurley alone are more than worth the time to read it.

Robert Bateman
April 19, 2009 9:35 am

Only this time Pen has the deck stacked. Lounging about in some swanky resort, with only a few moments spent per week on a photo-op at the lake down from the lodge.
Next time, Pen, hitch a ride on a US Nuclear Sub, have them pop up at the Pole, and get out with your camera and Stanley Tape Measure and have at it.
Short & sweet.

Robert Bateman
April 19, 2009 9:37 am

Oh, but kim, weep not for Pen. You didn’t catch the sun angle post in another thread. Mighty Pen is yukking it up at the Elk Lodge somewhere.

kim
April 19, 2009 9:41 am

Robert Bateman 09:37:42
Yes, I must have missed that. Does a photo with an impossible sun angle reveal a hoax? Oh, boy, the irony of that one would be rich.
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Steve Keohane
April 19, 2009 9:41 am

The first thing that came to mind for me was a paraphrase of Pink Floyd’s ‘A Momentary Lapse of Reason’, replace the last word with ‘Delusion’.
REPLY: see the note to you above about your art submissions – Anthony

kim
April 19, 2009 9:44 am

wattsupwiththat 09:41:12
Yes, I’m not particularly skeptical that the expedition is real. But let’s see the photo that Robert is talking about.
Frankly, with the money behind the CO2=AGW scam, and the intentions behind it, I’m not sure I’d put it past someone to try such a hoax.
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Mike Bryant
April 19, 2009 10:00 am

Kim,
Too bad that the satellites don’t have sufficient resolution to prove one way or the other whether they are where they say they are.
Hmmm… does anyone here have contacts at the CIA? This could be a national security issue, since the outcome of the expedition could affect America’s GDP, which, in turn, would affect our combat readiness.
Point all those satellite North. We might even be able to see the bumper sticker on that sled… “My other car is a Prius”.

April 19, 2009 10:15 am

It looks like the sea ice extent is the highest it’s been on this date for the years covered in the graph…
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png

April 19, 2009 10:26 am

also, today is the 42nd straight spotless day, tying the #8 longest spotless streak since 1849. tomorrow will tie the 7th longest streak, assuming no spots appear.
http://users.telenet.be/j.janssens/Spotless/Spotless.html#Period
this is a particularly interesting and telling graph. SC24 looks nothing like SC23.
http://users.telenet.be/j.janssens/Spotless/MonthlySC1623.png

April 19, 2009 10:31 am

For a bit of light amusement, there’s a new spoof anti-AGW blog http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/2009/04/co2-levels-may-have-been-over-2000ppm.html
Very obviously a spoof, but some of poor old Tamino’s cheerleaders can’t quite decide whether (Or even “weather” 😉 ) it is a leg-pull.
You’d have thought the bit about since it still snows, AGW’s a load of balls would’ve tipped them off.

Robert Bateman
April 19, 2009 10:40 am

Oh, of course, what’s up with that, I don’t doubt that the Mighty Pen in on the Ice. It’s just where in the heck that ice is. Impossible Sun Angle. I mean really way out there somewhere in Colorado Ski resort mid-latitude high sun elevation stuff.
When that pic was displayed, that was enough for me.

Allan M R MacRae
April 19, 2009 10:46 am

First there is a Scientific Hypothesis. For example, the Hypothesis that increased humanmade atmospheric CO2 causes catastrophic global warming.
With some substantial evidence, that Hypothesis becomes a Theory, as in the “Theory of Evolution”.
Then with absolute proof and lack of counter-evidence, that Theory becomes a Law, as in the Law of Gravity.
Global Warmists have repeatedly stated that “The Science is Settled”. Warmists claim not only that increased atmospheric CO2 causes warming, but that current and future humanmade increases in CO2 will cause catastrophic global warming that threatens the very existence of life on our planet.
Warmists have thus promoted their alarmist statement past Hypothesis and Theory to the status of Law.
In fact, Catastrophic Humanmade Global Warming is still a Hypothesis, and a failed one at that.
There has been no significant net warming since 1940, in spite of an 800% increase in humanmade CO2 emissions. Earth is now entering a natural cooling cycle, after a ~25-year natural warming cycle. It is this recent 25-year natural warming cycle that has been used as evidence for alleged catastrophic global warming. As Earth continues to cool, this falsehood will become increasingly apparent to all, and Al Gore, young Barack and their ilk will become increasingly humiliated after being caught in a BIG LIE.
The only Theory that seems to have survived this foolish, wasteful debate is the Theory of Warmist BS – that almost everything the Warmists have stated will turn out to be false, alarmist and self-serving.
Witness that IPCC centerpiece, the Mann Hockey Stick. Eliminating from the historic record both the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age was not problem for these so-called scientists – just sweep it away with the shoddiest of cherry-picked evidence, and hope nobody will notice.
When someone does point out Warmist falsehoods, just say they are “in the pay of big oil” or try to intimidate them by more direct means, including threats of violence.
I want everyone to remember who the Warmists are. I will stand by my statements, but you can expect the Warmists to be running for the exits in the coming years.
Watch as various strident individuals and organizations try to back away from their Warmist statements – it’s already starting, and is rather amusing.

Robert Bateman
April 19, 2009 10:49 am

It could easily be 2000 ppm CO2 at your workplace, and you wouldn’t know it from 385 ppm CO2. You sweat a little easier, that’s it. Might be a tad stuffier, but with the boss breathing down your neck, his stern voice will quickly win out in your mind as you toil away.
If it were 4000 ppm C02, you’d be griping away and the boss would agree with you. The both of you would gut it out, and be back the next day for more.
EPA 385ppm CO2 Toxic my -self snip-.

crosspatch
April 19, 2009 10:50 am

“It’s never wise to imagine that either man or technology has the upper hand in the natural world.” ”
In other words: “Mother Nature bats last”.

Robert Bateman
April 19, 2009 10:51 am

385 ppm CO2 EPA Toxic Hazard Gas levels, my normally worked body is not globally warmed. I still need a coat & sweater until 10 am.

David Segesta
April 19, 2009 11:02 am

Robert Bateman (09:37:42) :
“You didn’t catch the sun angle post in another thread.”
Pardon me for missing the boat here, but does someone have a link to that?

Robert Bateman
April 19, 2009 11:05 am

And hope that when the TV Meterologist announces a record for the day, that nobody notices that 10 years ago it wasn’t a record because it was beat out by the record in 1933.
Mr. GreenPlans: “Oops”.

Aron
April 19, 2009 11:09 am

385ppm is a worldwide average. Cities experience 600ppm, 800ppm with heavy traffic. It could even be 1000ppm in your kitchen at times. It’s definitely over 1000ppm in busy professional kitchens.
Bad for health? Nobody has ever had a health problem because of CO2. The problems come from other chemicals released by cars and chimneys that could be captured or rendered harmless much easier and without penalising industry or imposing taxes.

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