Consensus climate science: What would Thomas Huxley say?

Guest Post By Paul MacRae

“The evidence … however properly reached, may always be more or less wrong, the best information being never complete, and the best reasoning being liable to fallacy.”

-Thomas Huxley, Science and Christian Tradition, p. 205

Thomas H. Huxley (1825-1895) was one of the first and most vigorous promoters of modern scientific thinking. He is perhaps best-known as “Darwin’s bulldog”-no one did more to fight for Darwin’s theory of natural selection in the face of theological opposition-but he also almost single-handedly introduced science into the British school curriculum at all levels.thomas-huxley

Huxley was a formidable philosopher of science, anticipating many of the principles of scientific inquiry that Karl Popper would make a mainstay of scientific thinking in the 20th century, including the need for falsifiable hypotheses and non-dogmatic, continuous inquiry.

In short, in the history and philosophy of science, Huxley is someone to be reckoned with.

So what would T.H. Huxley have thought of today’s “consensus” climate scientists, with their claims that the issue of man-made climate change is “settled,” that there is no need for further debate, and that those who challenge the hypothesis of anthropogenic warming in any way are, in effect, heretics?

Three of Huxley’s books-Science and Hebrew Tradition (SHT), Science and Christian Tradition (SCT), and Hume, a biography of Scottish philosopher David Hume (1711-1776)-present Huxley’s philosophy of science very clearly. How well does “consensus” climate science bear up in Huxley’s crucible?

Science is never certain

The pretension to infallibility, by whomsoever made, has done endless mischief; with impartial malignity it has proved a curse, alike to those who have made and it those who have accepted it.

Science and Hebrew Tradition, Preface, p. ix

Just as Huxley fought against religious certainty in his time, so he undoubtedly would have questioned the consensus claim that the evidence for human-driven climate change is “overwhelming” and therefore beyond question.

But, then, orthodoxy always hates criticism, a point Huxley underscored by quoting from David Hume’s “Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion.” In “Dialogues,” Hume has the religious Cleanthes, who believes that because nature is harmonious there must be a Supreme Designer, say to the skeptical Philo:

You [Philo] alone, or almost alone, disturb this general harmony. You state abstruse doubts, cavils, and objections. You ask me what is the cause of this cause? I know not: I care not: that concerns me not. I have found a Deity and here I stop my inquiry. (Hume, p. 178)

Against this view, Huxley wrote: “No man, nor any body of men, is good enough, or wise enough, to dispense with the tonic of criticism” (SCT, “Science and Pseudoscience,” p. 93).

But, of course, the consensus climate science orthodoxy, as expressed many times by believers like Al Gore, Goddard Institute director James Hansen, and Canada’s Andrew Weaver and David Suzuki (who once stormed out of a radio interview because the interviewer dared to suggest the global warming issue is “not totally settled”)(1), is that “abstruse doubts, cavils, and objections” that don’t fit within the consensus paradigm should not be aired lest the public’s faith in anthropogenic global warming be weakened.

For example, in refusing to debate skeptical environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg , Gore said: “We have long since passed the time when we should pretend this is a ‘on the one hand, on the other hand’ issue. It’s not a matter of theory or conjecture.”

Canada’s leading climate computer modeler, Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria, in explaining his reluctance to publicly debate the question of global warming on a CBC radio program, has written:

There is no such debate in the atmospheric or climate scientific community, and … making the public believe that such a debate exists is precisely the goal of the denial industry. (Keeping Our Cool, p. 22)

Why not debate with climate skeptics? Why not crush the abstruse doubts, cavils and objections, as Huxley did many times in publicly debating opponents of Darwin?

For example, in 1860, in one of the most famous debates in the history of science, Huxley demolished the arguments of Anglican Bishop Samuel Wilberforce, who was defending religious doctrine against Darwin’s theory of evolution. Huxley’s attitude wasn’t, like Weaver’s and Gore’s, “I’m right, the other side is wrong, and therefore I don’t need to debate them.” Huxley knew the public needed to hear both sides, not just one, to make up its mind.

For his part, Bishop Wilberforce must have felt he shouldn’t have to defend what he considered immutable religious truth against the upstart scientific heretics. Yet, unlike Weaver, Gore, and most others in the climate consensus, Wilberforce had the courage to publicly debate his views.

Why don’t Gore, Weaver, et al., feel the same need to put their “truths” to the public test? Perhaps because they fear that they and the climate orthodoxy would lose the debate, and quite rightly. The few times warming believers have publicly debated skeptics, the believers have lost.(2,3)

The facts must fit the theory

An inductive hypothesis is said to be demonstrated when the facts are shown to be in entire accordance with it [italics added].

Science and the Hebrew Tradition, “Lectures on Evolution III,” p. 132

What would Huxley think of the claim that the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis is based on empirical facts (i.e., is an inductive hypothesis), when the facts no longer support (are no longer in “entire accordance with”) that hypothesis? Probably not much given that, despite increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the planet has not warmed since at least 2001 and perhaps earlier than that.(4)

Theory must account for previous experience

The more a statement of fact conflicts with previous experience, the more complete must be the evidence which is to justify us in believing it.

Hume, p. 158

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What is the planet’s “previous experience” in terms of carbon dioxide and temperature? The geological evidence of the past 600 million years shows the relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature is tenuous at best (see Figure 1. The black line is carbon dioxide; the blue line is temperature).

Note particularly 450 million years ago, when the earth’s temperature was as cold as today’s-i.e., the earth was in an Ice Age-while carbon dioxide levels were more than 10 times today’s levels. Clearly, high levels of CO2 weren’t keeping the planet warm then.

There are other periods, such as 100 million years ago, when the temperature remained high but carbon dioxide fell. If, as consensus climate science claims, carbon dioxide is the main driver of climate, why didn’t the temperature start to fall until tens of millions of years after CO2 did?

The consensus view, which closely links high carbon dioxide levels and high temperatures, had no validity in “previous experience” (the geological past). Why should we accept that view now?

Science must be able to predict phenomena

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The true mark of a theory is without doubt its ability to predict phenomena.

– Science and Hebrew Tradition, “On the Method of Zadig,” p. 20

Huxley didn’t pen these words, although he heartily approved of them. They were written in 1822 by Baron Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), one of the founders of biological classification, and have been repeated by philosophers of science every since.(5) To be valid, a scientific hypothesis must be able to predict phenomena. An hypothesis that can’t make valid predictions is guesswork, not science.

So what would Huxley (much less Cuvier) say of the failure of climate computer models to predict the flat-lining of temperatures over the past decade?figure-2

Figure 2 shows the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s predictions for the next two decades in red, orange and yellow. The blue and green lines show the actual temperatures as measured by Britain’s Hadley Institute and the University of Alabama at Huntsville climate monitoring centres.

Figure 3 shows the predictions of climate alarmist James Hansen in 1988. The blue line is Hansen’s scary Scenario A prediction; the orange line is the actual temperature. The only point of contact between the two is 1998, the year of an unusually strong El Nino warming.

Both predictions-indeed, all of the consensus climate model predictions without exception-have been higher than observed temperatures.figure-3

But, then, the IPCC itself said, in its 2001 report: “In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”(6)

Extreme claims require extreme proof

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It is a canon of common sense, to say nothing of science, that the more improbable a supposed occurrence, the more cogent ought to be the evidence in its favor.

Science and the Christian Tradition, “An Episcopal Trilogy,” p. 135

Huxley addressed, a century ago, the question of how much credence we should place in extreme claims of the type that Gore, Hansen, Weaver, and others present as scientific fact.

Not much, if we are also to believe astronomer Carl Sagan, who has written, in the same vein: “Apocalyptic predictions require, to be taken seriously, higher standards of evidence than do assertions on other matters where the stakes are not as great”(7). Sagan’s comment often appears online as “extreme claims require extreme proof,” but Huxley said it first.

Among these extreme claims is Andrew Weaver’s ominous prediction of a “sixth extinction” that will wipe out “between 40 per cent and 70 per cent of the world’s species” should the global temperature rise above 3.3 degrees Celsius” (a rise that is, for Weaver, entirely humanity’s fault) (Keeping Our Cool, p. 218). He has also called for a complete ban on fossil-fuel use.(8)

Hansen warns of sea level rises of five metres in the next century, 20 metres over the next 400 years (New Scientist, July 25, 2007). And, of course, we should all be familiar with Gore’s apocalyptic predictions (New York under water soon, no Arctic ice by 2014, etc.) if we fail to follow his draconian political and economic program.

Curiously, at least so far, none-not one-of the environmentalists’ apocalyptic predictions, from Thomas Malthus to Paul Ehrlich (mass starvation in the 1970s) to Suzuki, Weaver and Gore, has come to pass.

Or, as the CBC’s Rex Murphy notes:

So much of what the alarmists promised was supposed to be happening now isn’t happening. So many events are running counter to their near-term projections, they’ve decided to go all Armageddon with their long-term ones, projections for a future that none of us will be around to check.(9)

By any standard, the claims of Gore, Weaver, Hansen, et al., are extreme. Yet we are expected to accept these extreme claims with very little public debate, scrutiny, or criticism (after all, the debate is settled and the climate scientists are the experts), and based on almost no empirical evidence (unless mathematical models are considered the equivalent of empirical evidence).

Instead, climate alarmists abandon scientific principles of evidence, fall back on the precautionary principle (if it could happen we must act as if it will happen)(10), and try to silence anyone asking for proof more convincing than the flawed predictions of computer models.

Science doesn’t operate by consensus

My love of my fellow-countrymen has led me to reflect, with dread, on what will happen to them, if any of the laws of nature ever become so unpopular in their eyes, as to be voted down by the transcendent authority of universal suffrage.

Science and Christian Tradition, p. 252

Huxley was worried that citizens would decide to vote against, for example, the laws of gravity. Undoubtedly, he would be equally concerned if scientists declared that a scientific assertion was true because, after a vote, a majority of them had agreed it was so, i.e., proof by “consensus.”

Just as a vote of citizens doesn’t make a scientific fact true or false, neither does a vote of scientists make a fact true or false. Only empirical evidence does that. And the empirical evidence for anthropogenic warming isn’t there.

Dealing with absurdity

When you cannot prove that people are wrong, but only that they are absurd, the best course is to let them alone.

Science and Hebrew Tradition, “On the Method of Zadig,” p. 13

It would be nice to leave the consensus climate alarmists alone. After all, the hypothesis that anthropogenic gases might cause warming is not unreasonable. It may even be true, although so far the evidence (or lack of it) argues otherwise.

What takes consensus climate science into Huxley’s realm of absurdity is its dogmatic insistent that all other hypotheses are not just wrong, but so wrong that they should not be debated or, better, not even heard by the public or other scientists.

Moreover, the consensus climate science alarmists, and their environmentalist supporters, refuse to leave the rest of us alone. Instead, they wish to impose economy-crippling measures based on a global-warming hypothesis that becomes more and more surreal with each year that warming does not occur.

Conclusion

So, how well does consensus climate science meet Huxley’s conditions for real science?

Huxley: Scientific certainty does not exist. Consensus climate science: The evidence is so overwhelming there’s no need to discuss it any further.

Huxley: A strong theory must be “in entire accordance” with the data. Consensus climate science: Dismiss data (such as the current cooling) that doesn’t fit the theory (the planet should be warming).

Huxley: Data not in accord with previous experience should be regarded with suspicion. Consensus climate science: Ignore previous experience (such as the geological record showing little correlation between carbon dioxide and temperature) if it doesn’t fit the theory.

Huxley: Theories must be able to predict accurately. Consensus climate science: Nothing, so far, predicted accurately.

Huxley: Extreme claims require extreme proof. Consensus climate science: If the proof doesn’t exist, fall back on the precautionary principle.

Huxley: Science doesn’t operate by consensus. Consensus climate science: Yes, it does.

How, we might wonder, would Huxley fare in a public debate with consensus climate believers like Al Gore, James Hansen, or Andrew Weaver, assuming they had the courage to take him on?

As Bishop Wilberforce discovered, they wouldn’t know what hit them.

Notes

1. Barbara Kay, “David Suzuki vs. Michael Crichton.” National Post, Feb. 21, 2007.

2. See, for example, Marc Sheppard’s “No wonder climate extremists refuse to debate” at http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/no_wonder_climate_alarmists_re.html. For a list of the few debates that have occurred, and their outcomes, see Climate Depot, http://www.climatedepot.com/a/39/Climate-Depotrsquos-Morano-debates-Global-Warming-with-former-Clinton-Admin-Official-Romm.

3. Losing a debate to skeptic Marc Morano prompted Joe Romm to write, in his blog Climate Progress: “While science and logic are powerful systematic tools for understanding the world, they are no match in the public realm for the 25-century-old art of verbal persuasion: rhetoric.” To say that consensus climate scientists like David Suzuki, Andrew Weaver and James Hansen, much less ex-politician Al Gore, don’t have the rhetorical skills to match the skeptics is absurd. What Romm lacks, what consensus science lacks, and what Bishop Wilberforce lacked, is an argument that makes sense.

4. Meteorologist Richard Lindzen argues that the most recent cycle of global warming ended in 1995. See the Watts Up With That website, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/30/lindzen-on-negative-climate-feedback.

5. Georges Cuvier, Recherches sur les Ossemens., Paris: Chez G. Dufour et d’Ocagne, Libraires, 1822, p. 292.

6. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Climate Change 01, Chapter 14, Advancing Our Understanding, Section 14.2.2.2.

7. Carl Sagan, “Nuclear War and Climatic Catastrophe: Some Policy Implications,” Foreign Affairs, Winter 1983/84, pp. 257-258.

8. Andrew Weaver, “Environmentalists’ are abandoning science.” Vancouver Sun, March 24, 2009.

9. Rex Murphy, “Armageddon theory: Vancouver,” Toronto Globe and Mail, Jan. 10, 2009.

10. For example, environmental writer Jonathan Schell has written: “Now, in a widening sphere of decisions, the costs of error are so exorbitant that we need to act on theory alone. It follows that the reputation of scientific prediction needs to be enhanced” [italics added]. “Our Fragile Earth,” Discover, Oct., 1987, p. 47.

Works Cited

Huxley, T.H., Hume: With Helps to the Study of Berkeley. New York. D. Appleton, 1896.

Huxley, T.H., Science and Christian Tradition. New York, D. Appleton, 1896.

Huxley, T.H., Science and  Hebrew Tradition. New York: D. Appleton, 1896.

Weaver, Andrew, Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a Warming World. Toronto: Viking Canada, 2008.

Paul MacRae is a former editor with the Toronto Globe and Mail and former editorial writer and editor with the Victoria Times Colonist. He teaches professional writing at the University of Victoria and is currently finishing a book on global warming entitled False Alarm: Why Almost Everything We’ve Been Told About Global Warming is Misleading, Exaggerated, or Plain Wrong. His blogsite is: paulmacrae.com.

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Keith W
April 17, 2009 12:27 pm

See below:
There are sixty days to comment on the EPA’s proposed ruling. All of the discussion here and on other sites are meaningless unless they are turned into public comments on the EPA’s proposed ruling. As pointed out below we will either have regulation or law.
By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer H. Josef Hebert, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 2 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The EPA on Friday declared that carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases sent off by cars and many industrial plants “endanger public health and welfare,” setting the stage for regulating them under federal clean air laws.
The action by the Environmental Protection Agency marks the first step toward requiring power plants, cars and trucks to curtail their release of climate-changing pollution, especially carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels.
EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said while the agency is prepared to move forward with regulations under the Clean Air Act, the Obama administration would prefer that Congress addressed the climate issue through “cap-and-trade” legislation limiting pollution that can contribute to global warming.
Limits on carbon dioxide and the other greenhouse gases would have widespread economic and social impact, from requiring better fuel efficiency for automobiles to limiting emissions from power plants and industrial sources, changing the way the nation produces energy.
In announcing the proposed finding, Jackson said the EPA analysis “confirms that greenhouse gas pollution is a serious problem now and for future generations” and warrants steps to curtail it.
While EPA officials said the agency may still be many months from actually issuing such regulation, the threat of dealing with climate change by regulation could spur some hesitant members of Congress to find another way to address the problem.
“The (EPA) decision is a game changer. It now changes the playing field with respect to legislation,” said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., whose Energy and Commerce subcommittee is crafting broad limits on greenhouse emissions. “It’s now no longer doing a bill or doing nothing. It is now a choice between regulation and legislation.”
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., chair of the Environment and Public Works Committee responsible for climate legislation, said EPA’s action is “a wake-up call for Congress” — deal with it directly through legislation or let the EPA regulate.
Friday’s action by the EPA triggered a 60-day comment period before the agency issues a final endangerment ruling. That would be followed by a proposal on how to regulate the emissions.

April 17, 2009 12:39 pm

Improving energy efficiency tends to lead to increased energy consumption overall. This has been known since 1865 when Jevons studied the problem in relation to coal.
Jevons-Khazzoom

Stoic
April 17, 2009 12:50 pm

Flanagan
“Given that 97% of researchers in climate science are convinced that the present global warming is induced by anthropogenic causes, I think personally this degree of confidence is high enough. What do you think?”
It is a well known fact that 97% of statistics used in arguments are invented.

April 17, 2009 12:54 pm

The survey found 84% say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring, and 74% agree that “currently available scientific evidence” substantiates its occurrence.
I agree too. Now the question is: what is the amount caused by humans. .01C, .1C, 1C, 10C, 100C?
And then what is the primary cause? Land use? CO2? The large increases of water vapor caused by electric power plants and burning hydrocarbons? Methane from cows and other domestic animals?
And the final question: Is the increase dwarfed by variations in solar output and solar magnetism? Or perhaps the lack of volcanism is causing the change? Volcano eruptions have been unnaturally low for a while.

DAV
April 17, 2009 1:01 pm

Patrik (12:03:57) : But; the deepest knowledge needed to predict the outcome of a football game, a stock or the climate is extremely more complex. Forget for a moment the expression “deep knowledge”, let’s just call it experience. The experience needed to predict the sunrise is very simple and straight-forward. The same cannot be said about a lot of other real-world stuff, for example the climate. Am I wrong? 🙂
Not wrong, per se. My point is that nearly all prediction is based upon prior knowledge either obtained directly or through analogy and that prediction has a statistical nature. It’s quite possible to assign a probability to an unseen complicated event while simultaneously lacking sufficient knowledge. For example, what do you think the probability is of you surviving the transit between your house and work tomorrow (assuming, of course, that you do work and it involves some type of commute)? There’s a complex system. You may not be able to assign a value like 99.6% but you certainly can say whether you believe it to be high, moderate or low. Regardless of the answer what would be the basis for your belief? You may not realize it but you have just made a statistical assessment. You do this every working day and bet your life on the outcome.
Still think you can’t assign probabilities without complete (or substantial) knowledge?

Bruce Cobb
April 17, 2009 1:02 pm

MattB (07:18:58)
I seriously doubt that any AGW scientist would suggest that there is no possibility that it is not CO2… but the current science – despite exagerrated opposition – says it is and that is what policy makers will follow and rightly so…
That is just absurd, Matt. Since their funding, and careers are often dependent on the fraudulent idea of C02-driven climate, it is doubtful any AGW “scientist” would express any doubt whatsoever about their climate- modeled, GIGO-infested claims about manmade C02 and warming. Sorry, but that is the state of your much-vaunted “consensus” and “current science”. It is nothing but a total fraud, driven by (what else) money and politics. The fraudulent science is merely a convenient tool for the MSM (scaremongering sell$) to use, as well as for politicians (look how I’m helping to “Save the Planet”), and various and sundry rent-seeking NGOs. Make no mistake, though, the stakes here are huge. Untold $billions have already been wasted on this boondoggle, with trillions more on the line. It will wreak havoc (and already has) with economies, skewing energy policies towards more expensive, less efficient sources of energy. Poor people will suffer the most, with most assuredly higher mortality rates. Insane plans for geoengineering are already being discussed which if implemented, would not only be costly, but could have disasterous environmental consequences.
What is being done to science, and to humanity via this CAGW/CC fraud is nothing short of criminal. For you to take the attitude that “Oh well, if we’re wrong, the science will out within 5 years – oopsie, our mistake, no harm no foul” is simply disingenuous beyond belief. The AGW “scientists”, NGOs, politicos, and the MSM have everything to gain by keeping that fraud going for as long as possible. Climate science has been corrupted, and that is what this battle is all about.

timetochooseagain
April 17, 2009 1:14 pm

For the record, the “theological opposition” to Evolution historically has been greatly exaggerated (true enough, there were some crazies like (leftist) William Jennings Brian). Huxley however seemed to get strange pleasure from attacking religious opponents of evolution. In reality, the stronger opposition came from scientists. Lord Kelvin, based upon the best information available to him (he did not know about radioactivity) simply concluded that the Earth couldn’t be more than a few million years old. But Huxley would hear none of it. True enough, Huxley turned out to be right, but he latched on to evolution not because there was unequivocal evidence for it (there wasn’t, though there is now) but because he was rabidly anti-religious. He definitely said some wise things, but he was not (excuse the irony) God.

RW
April 17, 2009 1:45 pm

“For example, in 1860, in one of the most famous debates in the history of science, Huxley demolished the arguments of Anglican Bishop Samuel Wilberforce, who was defending religious doctrine against Darwin’s theory of evolution”
And ever since, there have been no creationists. Everyone who had believed wrongly in religious doctrine said they were sorry and they would believe in science from now on, thus showing that no-one can fail to be persuaded by the truth. Right?

Patrik
April 17, 2009 2:41 pm

DAV (13:01:20) >>
Possible, definitely possible to predict just about anything and even to get right – but both Your examples are of a true/false nature and they’re of a reoccuring nature.
Predicting something that can have a myriad of different outcomes is something quite different.
I could predict that global T will be higher or lower than today in 100 years, and get it right.
However, I could probably not predict the evolvment of global T all the way to 100 years from now, nor can I predict how much warmer or colder it will be.
The probability for me to succeed in such a prediction is very low.
I assume, and I’m pretty sure that most of the scientific society assumes, that the more knowledge the one making the prediction has – the more probable it is that the prediction will be right.
And: Since a lot of research is still done in the area of climate science, there is a probability (which I suspect is quite high) that the knowledge needed to get acceptable probability of an acceptable prediction is not yet attained. 🙂
However, one could argue that someone who knows nothing about football is just as likely to get it right as an expert. Same for stock market predictions and of course climate.
But hey, I’m not the one saying that these predictions are working. I’m a sceptic, especially when it comes to computer modeling representations of the real world. 🙂

Robinson
April 17, 2009 3:17 pm

It’s quite possible to assign a probability to an unseen complicated event while simultaneously lacking sufficient knowledge.

It is, but that is usually based on a normal distribution and normal distributions are “typical”, but not exclusively so. You only have to look at the collapse of the banking system to see that this is the case. They have based their models on normal distributions of risk – and these don’t take account of “Black Swan” events, which in themselves can often become more costly than the mitigation of risk allowed by a normal distribution would allow.

Gary
April 17, 2009 4:11 pm

[snip – religion -evolution posts not allowed here, sorry]
Har har – this article mentions both religion and evolution numerous times. Thought my comment was totally on topic.

kim
April 17, 2009 5:15 pm

Gary at 16:11:26
Well, it was all going quite smoothly until Flanagan introduced the ugly motif and provoked me, which got Anthony’s dander up. I should be getting to be too smart for such trollery.
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Joel Shore
April 17, 2009 6:30 pm

Bruce Cobb says:

That is just absurd, Matt. Since their funding, and careers are often dependent on the fraudulent idea of C02-driven climate, it is doubtful any AGW “scientist” would express any doubt whatsoever about their climate- modeled, GIGO-infested claims about manmade C02 and warming. Sorry, but that is the state of your much-vaunted “consensus” and “current science”.

This is a very weak argument in my opinion. First of all, most scientists are not in it to get rich…They are scientists because they love science and are most interested in scientific truth. Mind you, I am not making the claim that individual scientists are infallible…I.e., it is perfectly reasonable to believe that there are some scientists whose own biases or concern about funding or their own careers might influence their scientific views. However, to propose this sort of mass conspiracy in the entire field is not at all realistic.
Second of all, by its very nature, the way science is set up makes it such that even if it might be better for funding of the field as a whole that a scientist go along with the prevailing wisdom, it is not likely to be in his own personal best interest if it is clear to him that this prevailing wisdom is scientifically invalid…unless he believes that the forces supporting the prevailing wisdom are so strong that the scientific truth cannot win out. After all, no matter what happens to the climate science field as a whole, the scientist who were to successfully show that most of the prevailing wisdom is wrong is likely to do just fine.
Third of all, as I believe Gavin Schmidt (or another one of the RealClimate folks) has pointed out, if climate scientists were really trying to maximize their own funding, it might be more advantageous to emphasize the uncertainty more…I.e., to try to argue that we really don’t know enough to know what to do yet, so governments should not be starting down the road to mitigation just yet but instead should be directing more money towards trying to figure out whether such actions (which are likely to be quite a bit more expensive than climate science research is) are justified.

Joel Shore
April 17, 2009 6:37 pm

This indicates that believers are ill-informed about the arguments on the other side (which undermines their credibility), as elucidated for instance in this article by Monckton, “35 Inconvenient Truths: The Errors in Al Gore’s Movie”, here:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html

Well, considering their background and Monckton’s background, perhaps it is he who is ill-informed. (For the record, if they had surveyed me, I would have rated “Inconvenient Truth” as somewhat reliable.)

Bart Nielsen
April 17, 2009 6:55 pm

Flanagan (01:44:46) :
“At that rate, we would still will soon be living in caves…”
There, fixed it for ya! Better enjoy your trollery now. Once your favored AGW mitigation schemes are in place there won’t be an internet for you to troll on…unless you’re one of the elites who will be exempt from reducing your “carbon footprint” to nothing.

April 17, 2009 7:05 pm

Sorry Joel Shore (18:30:24), but Bruce Cobb is exactly right. Here, I’ll explain how it works:
Assume that people like, say, George Soros, or the David Foundation, or the Heinz Foundation — all extremely partisan pro-AGW interests with a definite Leftist agenda — decide to change the direction of an organization like, for instance, GISS.
Do they have to corrupt every rank and file scientist to achieve their ends? No. Not at all. They only need one.
As has been documented many times, James Hansen has taken upwards of a million dollars from those people. That we know of. And he who pays the piper calls the tune, right? Of course.
Now, suppose you are a lower level scientist working at GISS. You know for certain that GISS is fudging the numbers, which presents a dilemma: you have a family; you want that next promotion and pay raise as much as the next guy. OTOH, you know exactly what the head of GISS wants. It’s no secret that Hansen is on the global warming bandwagon.
So, do you blab publicly that the numbers are being “adjusted”? Heck, everyone knows that already. Or, do you just keep your head down and don’t make waves? Those are good government jobs at GISS — and there’s no union to protect its scientists.
So the connivers like Soros and Heinz and David only need to corrupt one individual in any organization. That’s all. And a million bucks is very corrupting. It shows that Hansen is no longer working for the taxpayers; he’s interested in the lavish payola flowing into his pockets from outside interests.
In addition, Hansen gets his ego stroked like this [click] all the time. For free, and he obviously craves the attention.
Some folks are bought by money, some by status, some by blackmail, some by honors and promotions, and most by a combination of those things. And all it takes is getting to the top guy in any organization, and learning his weaknesses. Which is very easy.
You may not believe that, but it’s true. I was president of a 1,200+ member body. When I was first elected, I couldn’t believe the change. Where previously I had to fight tooth and nail for a minor victory, sometimes for literally years, suddenly as president all I had to do was make a mild suggestion, and the entire organization went in that direction in lock step — and woe to the person or group in opposition.
The scientists at GISS are doing the only thing they can under the circumstances. They are keeping their heads down and their mouths shut. That’s why when they retire, we finally hear their true opinions.
Only the most naive would believe that scientists hired for at-will employment have the right to publicly speak out in opposition to what the boss wants to hear. Hansen is bought and paid for. Whether he has always believed in AGW, or whether he dances to the outsiders’ tune is irrelevant. They are getting their money’s worth.
And James Hansen is just one example out of many in similar positions, from the government to the media. That’s why the peer review process is corrupted, and that’s why the newsmagazines, TV networks, newspapers and UN is corrupted. Because all it takes is getting to the one person at the top. That’s all. The rest fall in line.

An Inquirer
April 17, 2009 7:18 pm

Joel Shore and Bruce Cobb:
I do not believe that there is any one dominant reason why “climate scientists” operate in the way they do. Yes, some are in it for the money; I have seen some colleagues with whom I had previsouly associated high levels integrity adjust their grant proposals to take advantage of the AGW hysteria. (To be sure, they are not lying — just exploiting the hysteria.) Others are driven by political and social agendas; Hansen likely fits in here. Others believe that their models must be right, similar to LTCM and other financial models. Others do not dig deep enough — they are not aware of where data comes from or what the issues are with the data. Others do not feel that it is not their role to challenge colleagues. Some are concerned about their career. Some see what they want to see. Some have focused their work on the evidence to their side. I know not to what extent each reason exists — but I am convinced that there is no dominant reason.

April 17, 2009 7:48 pm

Joel Shore and Bruce Cobb:
I do not believe that there is any one dominant reason why “climate scientists” operate in the way they do. Yes, some are in it for the money; I have seen some colleagues with whom I had previsouly associated high levels integrity adjust their grant proposals to take advantage of the AGW hysteria. (To be sure, they are not lying — just exploiting the hysteria.) Others are driven by political and social agendas; Hansen likely fits in here. Others believe that their models must be right, similar to LTCM and other financial models. Others do not dig deep enough — they are not aware of where data comes from or what the issues are with the data. Others do not feel that it is not their role to challenge colleagues. Some are concerned about their career. Some see what they want to see. Some have focused their work on the evidence to their side. I know not to what extent each reason exists — but I am convinced that there is no dominant reason.
Forgot to add good post. Can’t wait to seeing your next one!

Joel Shore
April 17, 2009 7:49 pm

Bart Nielsen says:

Once your favored AGW mitigation schemes are in place there won’t be an internet for you to troll on…unless you’re one of the elites who will be exempt from reducing your “carbon footprint” to nothing.

So, let me ask you: If it is really so dire, what is going to happen when we run out of fossil fuels and thus have to stop using them? Or do you believe that they are an infinite resource?

Joel Shore
April 17, 2009 7:57 pm

Smokey says:

Assume that people like, say, George Soros, or the David Foundation, or the Heinz Foundation — all extremely partisan pro-AGW interests with a definite Leftist agenda — decide to change the direction of an organization like, for instance, GISS.
Do they have to corrupt every rank and file scientist to achieve their ends? No. Not at all. They only need one.

Oh…I see. So, the connection of one major mainstream scientist to any one of these groups automatically disqualifies the whole field.
And, the fact that we find that nearly every single climate scientist on the “skeptic” side seems to have direct connections to extremely partisan anti-environmentalist interests with a Right wing / libertarian agenda doesn’t really have any effect because it might be true that, say, 1 out of every 50 scientists on the “pro-AGW” side has these sorts of connections!?!
And, of course, this is from the person who complains about ad hominem attacks and says that they are proof of the bankrupcy of the position that those who use them make!

Just Want Truth...
April 17, 2009 8:10 pm

Flanagan (01:44:46) :
This is all you have–biased polls. They mean nothing. And they only hurt your argument, and your side, not the other side.
But don’t let me stop you–have at it! 😉

April 17, 2009 8:29 pm

Take an aspirin and lie down, Joel. You’re about to blow a gasket.

Just Want Truth...
April 17, 2009 8:53 pm

Joel Shore (19:57:57) :
I’ll say this to you as a friend :
You’re making arguments that have been made for years now. They haven’t worked until now. They aren’t going to start magically working now.
The earth isn’t warming. It is cooling. Your hypothesis doesn’t work. You show people graphs, poll numbers, reports, speeches, and it won’t matter.
The earth is cooling.

Dave Middleton
April 17, 2009 8:55 pm

Replying to…
Joel Shore (19:49:23) :
[…]
So, let me ask you: If it is really so dire, what is going to happen when we run out of fossil fuels and thus have to stop using them? Or do you believe that they are an infinite resource?

Fossil fuels (and almost all mineral resources) are “effectively” infinite. There are very few mineral resources that we will actually run out of.
Oil will one day, gradually, become economically uncompetitive with alternatives…Natural gas and coal will eventually go the same way too. As the free market pushes fossil fuels to economic extinction…The very same free market will switch to alternatives.
If the gov’t arbitrarily makes the most abundant and economical energy sources more expensive in a Quixotic quest to prod the free market to replace fossil fuels…They’ll just make the rich nations poor and the poor nations dead.

Dave Middleton
April 17, 2009 9:03 pm

Commenting sarcastically on…
Joel Shore (19:57:57) :
[…]
Oh…I see. So, the connection of one major mainstream scientist to any one of these groups automatically disqualifies the whole field.
And, the fact that we find that nearly every single climate scientist on the “skeptic” side seems to have direct connections to extremely partisan anti-environmentalist interests with a Right wing / libertarian agenda doesn’t really have any effect because it might be true that, say, 1 out of every 50 scientists on the “pro-AGW” side has these sorts of connections!?!
And, of course, this is from the person who complains about ad hominem attacks and says that they are proof of the bankrupcy of the position that those who use them make!

SOP for the alarmists & Gorebots…
1) Fail to address any scientific arguments against their position.
2) Complain vigorously about the impugnment of their motives.
3) Fall back on “argument to authority”.
4) Impugn the motives of dissenting scientists.
5) Declare the issue to be “settled science”.
This would be funny, if it wasn’t for the fact that most western capitalist democracies weren’t on the cusp of bankrupting their economies “tilting at” carbon “windmills”.
If I didn’t know better, I would swear that the IPCC were a Douglas Adams creation.