Consensus climate science: What would Thomas Huxley say?

Guest Post By Paul MacRae

“The evidence … however properly reached, may always be more or less wrong, the best information being never complete, and the best reasoning being liable to fallacy.”

-Thomas Huxley, Science and Christian Tradition, p. 205

Thomas H. Huxley (1825-1895) was one of the first and most vigorous promoters of modern scientific thinking. He is perhaps best-known as “Darwin’s bulldog”-no one did more to fight for Darwin’s theory of natural selection in the face of theological opposition-but he also almost single-handedly introduced science into the British school curriculum at all levels.thomas-huxley

Huxley was a formidable philosopher of science, anticipating many of the principles of scientific inquiry that Karl Popper would make a mainstay of scientific thinking in the 20th century, including the need for falsifiable hypotheses and non-dogmatic, continuous inquiry.

In short, in the history and philosophy of science, Huxley is someone to be reckoned with.

So what would T.H. Huxley have thought of today’s “consensus” climate scientists, with their claims that the issue of man-made climate change is “settled,” that there is no need for further debate, and that those who challenge the hypothesis of anthropogenic warming in any way are, in effect, heretics?

Three of Huxley’s books-Science and Hebrew Tradition (SHT), Science and Christian Tradition (SCT), and Hume, a biography of Scottish philosopher David Hume (1711-1776)-present Huxley’s philosophy of science very clearly. How well does “consensus” climate science bear up in Huxley’s crucible?

Science is never certain

The pretension to infallibility, by whomsoever made, has done endless mischief; with impartial malignity it has proved a curse, alike to those who have made and it those who have accepted it.

Science and Hebrew Tradition, Preface, p. ix

Just as Huxley fought against religious certainty in his time, so he undoubtedly would have questioned the consensus claim that the evidence for human-driven climate change is “overwhelming” and therefore beyond question.

But, then, orthodoxy always hates criticism, a point Huxley underscored by quoting from David Hume’s “Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion.” In “Dialogues,” Hume has the religious Cleanthes, who believes that because nature is harmonious there must be a Supreme Designer, say to the skeptical Philo:

You [Philo] alone, or almost alone, disturb this general harmony. You state abstruse doubts, cavils, and objections. You ask me what is the cause of this cause? I know not: I care not: that concerns me not. I have found a Deity and here I stop my inquiry. (Hume, p. 178)

Against this view, Huxley wrote: “No man, nor any body of men, is good enough, or wise enough, to dispense with the tonic of criticism” (SCT, “Science and Pseudoscience,” p. 93).

But, of course, the consensus climate science orthodoxy, as expressed many times by believers like Al Gore, Goddard Institute director James Hansen, and Canada’s Andrew Weaver and David Suzuki (who once stormed out of a radio interview because the interviewer dared to suggest the global warming issue is “not totally settled”)(1), is that “abstruse doubts, cavils, and objections” that don’t fit within the consensus paradigm should not be aired lest the public’s faith in anthropogenic global warming be weakened.

For example, in refusing to debate skeptical environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg , Gore said: “We have long since passed the time when we should pretend this is a ‘on the one hand, on the other hand’ issue. It’s not a matter of theory or conjecture.”

Canada’s leading climate computer modeler, Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria, in explaining his reluctance to publicly debate the question of global warming on a CBC radio program, has written:

There is no such debate in the atmospheric or climate scientific community, and … making the public believe that such a debate exists is precisely the goal of the denial industry. (Keeping Our Cool, p. 22)

Why not debate with climate skeptics? Why not crush the abstruse doubts, cavils and objections, as Huxley did many times in publicly debating opponents of Darwin?

For example, in 1860, in one of the most famous debates in the history of science, Huxley demolished the arguments of Anglican Bishop Samuel Wilberforce, who was defending religious doctrine against Darwin’s theory of evolution. Huxley’s attitude wasn’t, like Weaver’s and Gore’s, “I’m right, the other side is wrong, and therefore I don’t need to debate them.” Huxley knew the public needed to hear both sides, not just one, to make up its mind.

For his part, Bishop Wilberforce must have felt he shouldn’t have to defend what he considered immutable religious truth against the upstart scientific heretics. Yet, unlike Weaver, Gore, and most others in the climate consensus, Wilberforce had the courage to publicly debate his views.

Why don’t Gore, Weaver, et al., feel the same need to put their “truths” to the public test? Perhaps because they fear that they and the climate orthodoxy would lose the debate, and quite rightly. The few times warming believers have publicly debated skeptics, the believers have lost.(2,3)

The facts must fit the theory

An inductive hypothesis is said to be demonstrated when the facts are shown to be in entire accordance with it [italics added].

Science and the Hebrew Tradition, “Lectures on Evolution III,” p. 132

What would Huxley think of the claim that the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis is based on empirical facts (i.e., is an inductive hypothesis), when the facts no longer support (are no longer in “entire accordance with”) that hypothesis? Probably not much given that, despite increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the planet has not warmed since at least 2001 and perhaps earlier than that.(4)

Theory must account for previous experience

The more a statement of fact conflicts with previous experience, the more complete must be the evidence which is to justify us in believing it.

Hume, p. 158

figure-1

What is the planet’s “previous experience” in terms of carbon dioxide and temperature? The geological evidence of the past 600 million years shows the relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature is tenuous at best (see Figure 1. The black line is carbon dioxide; the blue line is temperature).

Note particularly 450 million years ago, when the earth’s temperature was as cold as today’s-i.e., the earth was in an Ice Age-while carbon dioxide levels were more than 10 times today’s levels. Clearly, high levels of CO2 weren’t keeping the planet warm then.

There are other periods, such as 100 million years ago, when the temperature remained high but carbon dioxide fell. If, as consensus climate science claims, carbon dioxide is the main driver of climate, why didn’t the temperature start to fall until tens of millions of years after CO2 did?

The consensus view, which closely links high carbon dioxide levels and high temperatures, had no validity in “previous experience” (the geological past). Why should we accept that view now?

Science must be able to predict phenomena

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The true mark of a theory is without doubt its ability to predict phenomena.

– Science and Hebrew Tradition, “On the Method of Zadig,” p. 20

Huxley didn’t pen these words, although he heartily approved of them. They were written in 1822 by Baron Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), one of the founders of biological classification, and have been repeated by philosophers of science every since.(5) To be valid, a scientific hypothesis must be able to predict phenomena. An hypothesis that can’t make valid predictions is guesswork, not science.

So what would Huxley (much less Cuvier) say of the failure of climate computer models to predict the flat-lining of temperatures over the past decade?figure-2

Figure 2 shows the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s predictions for the next two decades in red, orange and yellow. The blue and green lines show the actual temperatures as measured by Britain’s Hadley Institute and the University of Alabama at Huntsville climate monitoring centres.

Figure 3 shows the predictions of climate alarmist James Hansen in 1988. The blue line is Hansen’s scary Scenario A prediction; the orange line is the actual temperature. The only point of contact between the two is 1998, the year of an unusually strong El Nino warming.

Both predictions-indeed, all of the consensus climate model predictions without exception-have been higher than observed temperatures.figure-3

But, then, the IPCC itself said, in its 2001 report: “In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”(6)

Extreme claims require extreme proof

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It is a canon of common sense, to say nothing of science, that the more improbable a supposed occurrence, the more cogent ought to be the evidence in its favor.

Science and the Christian Tradition, “An Episcopal Trilogy,” p. 135

Huxley addressed, a century ago, the question of how much credence we should place in extreme claims of the type that Gore, Hansen, Weaver, and others present as scientific fact.

Not much, if we are also to believe astronomer Carl Sagan, who has written, in the same vein: “Apocalyptic predictions require, to be taken seriously, higher standards of evidence than do assertions on other matters where the stakes are not as great”(7). Sagan’s comment often appears online as “extreme claims require extreme proof,” but Huxley said it first.

Among these extreme claims is Andrew Weaver’s ominous prediction of a “sixth extinction” that will wipe out “between 40 per cent and 70 per cent of the world’s species” should the global temperature rise above 3.3 degrees Celsius” (a rise that is, for Weaver, entirely humanity’s fault) (Keeping Our Cool, p. 218). He has also called for a complete ban on fossil-fuel use.(8)

Hansen warns of sea level rises of five metres in the next century, 20 metres over the next 400 years (New Scientist, July 25, 2007). And, of course, we should all be familiar with Gore’s apocalyptic predictions (New York under water soon, no Arctic ice by 2014, etc.) if we fail to follow his draconian political and economic program.

Curiously, at least so far, none-not one-of the environmentalists’ apocalyptic predictions, from Thomas Malthus to Paul Ehrlich (mass starvation in the 1970s) to Suzuki, Weaver and Gore, has come to pass.

Or, as the CBC’s Rex Murphy notes:

So much of what the alarmists promised was supposed to be happening now isn’t happening. So many events are running counter to their near-term projections, they’ve decided to go all Armageddon with their long-term ones, projections for a future that none of us will be around to check.(9)

By any standard, the claims of Gore, Weaver, Hansen, et al., are extreme. Yet we are expected to accept these extreme claims with very little public debate, scrutiny, or criticism (after all, the debate is settled and the climate scientists are the experts), and based on almost no empirical evidence (unless mathematical models are considered the equivalent of empirical evidence).

Instead, climate alarmists abandon scientific principles of evidence, fall back on the precautionary principle (if it could happen we must act as if it will happen)(10), and try to silence anyone asking for proof more convincing than the flawed predictions of computer models.

Science doesn’t operate by consensus

My love of my fellow-countrymen has led me to reflect, with dread, on what will happen to them, if any of the laws of nature ever become so unpopular in their eyes, as to be voted down by the transcendent authority of universal suffrage.

Science and Christian Tradition, p. 252

Huxley was worried that citizens would decide to vote against, for example, the laws of gravity. Undoubtedly, he would be equally concerned if scientists declared that a scientific assertion was true because, after a vote, a majority of them had agreed it was so, i.e., proof by “consensus.”

Just as a vote of citizens doesn’t make a scientific fact true or false, neither does a vote of scientists make a fact true or false. Only empirical evidence does that. And the empirical evidence for anthropogenic warming isn’t there.

Dealing with absurdity

When you cannot prove that people are wrong, but only that they are absurd, the best course is to let them alone.

Science and Hebrew Tradition, “On the Method of Zadig,” p. 13

It would be nice to leave the consensus climate alarmists alone. After all, the hypothesis that anthropogenic gases might cause warming is not unreasonable. It may even be true, although so far the evidence (or lack of it) argues otherwise.

What takes consensus climate science into Huxley’s realm of absurdity is its dogmatic insistent that all other hypotheses are not just wrong, but so wrong that they should not be debated or, better, not even heard by the public or other scientists.

Moreover, the consensus climate science alarmists, and their environmentalist supporters, refuse to leave the rest of us alone. Instead, they wish to impose economy-crippling measures based on a global-warming hypothesis that becomes more and more surreal with each year that warming does not occur.

Conclusion

So, how well does consensus climate science meet Huxley’s conditions for real science?

Huxley: Scientific certainty does not exist. Consensus climate science: The evidence is so overwhelming there’s no need to discuss it any further.

Huxley: A strong theory must be “in entire accordance” with the data. Consensus climate science: Dismiss data (such as the current cooling) that doesn’t fit the theory (the planet should be warming).

Huxley: Data not in accord with previous experience should be regarded with suspicion. Consensus climate science: Ignore previous experience (such as the geological record showing little correlation between carbon dioxide and temperature) if it doesn’t fit the theory.

Huxley: Theories must be able to predict accurately. Consensus climate science: Nothing, so far, predicted accurately.

Huxley: Extreme claims require extreme proof. Consensus climate science: If the proof doesn’t exist, fall back on the precautionary principle.

Huxley: Science doesn’t operate by consensus. Consensus climate science: Yes, it does.

How, we might wonder, would Huxley fare in a public debate with consensus climate believers like Al Gore, James Hansen, or Andrew Weaver, assuming they had the courage to take him on?

As Bishop Wilberforce discovered, they wouldn’t know what hit them.

Notes

1. Barbara Kay, “David Suzuki vs. Michael Crichton.” National Post, Feb. 21, 2007.

2. See, for example, Marc Sheppard’s “No wonder climate extremists refuse to debate” at http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/no_wonder_climate_alarmists_re.html. For a list of the few debates that have occurred, and their outcomes, see Climate Depot, http://www.climatedepot.com/a/39/Climate-Depotrsquos-Morano-debates-Global-Warming-with-former-Clinton-Admin-Official-Romm.

3. Losing a debate to skeptic Marc Morano prompted Joe Romm to write, in his blog Climate Progress: “While science and logic are powerful systematic tools for understanding the world, they are no match in the public realm for the 25-century-old art of verbal persuasion: rhetoric.” To say that consensus climate scientists like David Suzuki, Andrew Weaver and James Hansen, much less ex-politician Al Gore, don’t have the rhetorical skills to match the skeptics is absurd. What Romm lacks, what consensus science lacks, and what Bishop Wilberforce lacked, is an argument that makes sense.

4. Meteorologist Richard Lindzen argues that the most recent cycle of global warming ended in 1995. See the Watts Up With That website, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/30/lindzen-on-negative-climate-feedback.

5. Georges Cuvier, Recherches sur les Ossemens., Paris: Chez G. Dufour et d’Ocagne, Libraires, 1822, p. 292.

6. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Climate Change 01, Chapter 14, Advancing Our Understanding, Section 14.2.2.2.

7. Carl Sagan, “Nuclear War and Climatic Catastrophe: Some Policy Implications,” Foreign Affairs, Winter 1983/84, pp. 257-258.

8. Andrew Weaver, “Environmentalists’ are abandoning science.” Vancouver Sun, March 24, 2009.

9. Rex Murphy, “Armageddon theory: Vancouver,” Toronto Globe and Mail, Jan. 10, 2009.

10. For example, environmental writer Jonathan Schell has written: “Now, in a widening sphere of decisions, the costs of error are so exorbitant that we need to act on theory alone. It follows that the reputation of scientific prediction needs to be enhanced” [italics added]. “Our Fragile Earth,” Discover, Oct., 1987, p. 47.

Works Cited

Huxley, T.H., Hume: With Helps to the Study of Berkeley. New York. D. Appleton, 1896.

Huxley, T.H., Science and Christian Tradition. New York, D. Appleton, 1896.

Huxley, T.H., Science and  Hebrew Tradition. New York: D. Appleton, 1896.

Weaver, Andrew, Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a Warming World. Toronto: Viking Canada, 2008.

Paul MacRae is a former editor with the Toronto Globe and Mail and former editorial writer and editor with the Victoria Times Colonist. He teaches professional writing at the University of Victoria and is currently finishing a book on global warming entitled False Alarm: Why Almost Everything We’ve Been Told About Global Warming is Misleading, Exaggerated, or Plain Wrong. His blogsite is: paulmacrae.com.

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Mrs Whatsit
April 17, 2009 4:36 am

Flanagan, you completely missed the point of what you just read.
To take just one of your examples, one reason we became sure enough that tobacco causes lung cancer is that vigorous, transparent scientific debate took place on the question — debate which the AGW community is doing its very best to foreclose. (If you recall, in the tobacco debate, the side which tried to foreclose debate and insist that the science was settled in their favor, at first at least, was the tobacco companies. Read some history of science, and you’ll find it’s the side that is running scared that generally tries this tactic.)
Another reason we became confident of the link between tobacco and cancer is that the empirical data bore out the theory — over and over and over again, in peer-reviewed study after peer-reviewed study. I don’t know if computer models were relied upon at all, but if they were, they certainly weren’t the primary source. With AGW, on the other hand, much if not most of the empirical data vigorously contradicts the theory. See for instance, the geological CO2/temperature relationship detailed on that graph above. Or, for another instance, if the models on which AGWers rely really are based on such a comprehensive understanding of climate, why didn’t they predict the cyclical temperature effects of the PDO, the AMO, sunspot cycles, and such, which are now claimed to be “completely normal” and “masking” ongoing warming? If the models were truly based on sufficient knowledge to be predictive, the current “temporary” drops should have been well-understood and built into the predictions. They just aren’t there.
Look in the history of science for one example after another of the scientific “consensus” proving to be dead wrong. (An accessible source of science history for non-scientists like me is Bill Bryson’s entertaining and informative “A Short History of Nearly Everything”.)
Given a choice between data and consensus, I’ll take data every time — especially when everybody is screaming at me, “Don’t look at it! Don’t look at it! If you look at it, or if you think about it, or especially if you try to talk about it, you are a REALLY BAD PERSON!”

John
April 17, 2009 4:51 am

Flanagan: – some people insist on missing the point. Some years ago there was certainty and consensus that the Earth was flat – but that did not make it flat. The scientific consensus and certainty now is the Earth is round, but that consensus or certainty does not make it round : demonstrable evidence that it is, does.
In all the examples Flanagan gives, nobody just “acted” they first experimented to see if what they predicted could be observed. When it could be, and the experiments were found to be reproducible, they accepted as possible something of which they were not 100% certain and did not fully understand it.
We have no demonstrable, reproducible, observations regarding globalwarmism and the only thing that is certain is the hot air that drives the claim.
However what we can observe does not support the claim.

WarmWilliam
April 17, 2009 4:52 am

Does Flanagan’s case for preventative action include the risks involved in eating?
There is a risk that you choke to death when eating – so should everone stop eating?
Preventative action can only be justified if the consequences of preventative action are small in comparison to the risk of doing nothing. However, the cost of the actions proposed by proponents of AGW are huge.
So far extra CO2 & Global Warming would appear to have done us no harm and may even be beneficial. The IPCC et. al. argument that doubling CO2 will cause a 3C temperature rise, seem to be out of kilter with the fact that we are nearly 40% of the way to doubling CO2 and according to the IPCC graph in AR4 we should have already experienced a 1.5C rise. In fact the rise in temperature is only 0.6C which would equate (on the AR4 graph) to a final temperature (after doubling CO2) of about 1.2C. This is not enough to cause harm.
The way things are going CO2 will not have doubled until the end of this century. By the end of the century it is likely that the easily extracted oil and gas will have been used up, bringing about natural end to man made CO2.
Since there is little to fear from a temperature rise of a degree or a degree and a half preventative action is no warranted.

Stefan
April 17, 2009 4:53 am

@Mrs Whatsit That’s very interesting re. the tobacco companies.
For myself as a layman, the moment the AGWs started claiming the debate is over and only shills and cranks disagree, that was the moment I stopped believing them. For all I know those AGW scientists might be right, but once people close their eyes and lose their objectivity and integrity, the only way they can be right is by accident.

gary gulrud
April 17, 2009 5:06 am

“The true mark of a theory is without doubt its ability to predict phenomena.”
While the reverse is obviously not true, science is not merely method. Luddites among us would make it so setting all ‘scientists’ on equal footing.
Thank you for this perspicacious return to basics.

April 17, 2009 5:22 am

Flanagan wrote: We’re not 100% sure how tobacco causes lung cancers, but nevertheless we know it does and action has been take to take care of that.
No, we don’t know that tobacco ’causes’ lung cancer. We just know, at best, that about 10% (less in some studies, almost none at all in others) of tobacco smokers get lung cancer. We also know that smokers very often have poor diets, and belong to low income groups, and share a variety of other characteristics.
It were better said that it is widely believed that smoking causes lung cancer. Just as it is widely believed that CO2 causes global warming.

Jamie
April 17, 2009 5:33 am

Flanagan –
Your points are, well….pointless. There is enough empirical evidence to support (as others have said) action taken as if the other theories were true. I don’t know that my cars brakes won’t fail, or that a tiger won’t escape from the zoo and jump on my windshield on my way to work. But empirically, millions of people drive to work every day and home without brake failure or escaped tigers. Millions of people fly all over the world every day without incidence of birds flying into the…um…reactors.
What AGW is saying is – “hey, a bird is almost certainly going to fly into a large percentage of plane…reactors…and cause all manner of air chaos and millions of deaths. Our only option is to halt all air traffic. Evidence? Well, as you can see there was an unprecedented number of bird collisions in 1998 and we expect that pattern to continue. Why? Because our computer models project it. Our results are robust! What? (he said there haven’t been any bird collisions since the one, sir) Who’s paying you? Delta? British Airways? This man is an airline industry shill! The science is settled! STOP ALL AIR TRAVEL!”

Gary
April 17, 2009 5:39 am

FWIW, Samuel Wilberforce was the son of William Wilberforce who led the abolitionist movement in England and ultimately prevailed in ending slavery in the British Empire.

April 17, 2009 5:41 am

Kudos to Paul MacRae for an excellent article! The disingenuous tactics of the climate alarmist contingent amount to mere conniving, since they do not have a legitimate argument for spending $trillions on a proven non-problem.
The fact that the repeatedly falsified AGW/CO2 hypothesis is still defended by a small handful of logic-resistant posters can be easily explained by their cognitive dissonance and a martyr complex.
“Chris Colose has posted a paper that says that decadal coolings are not unusual during global warming.”
Translation: Down is up, white is black, evil is good, and global warming causes global cooling.
The original scare was that increases in CO2 will cause runaway global warming. The planet itself has falsified that baseless claim: click
If people like Colose and Flanagan would stick to the actual science, instead of constantly quoting polls and [in Flanagan’s case especially] resorting to endless, irrelevant ad hominem arguments, then the greatly exaggerated and over-hyped claims of an approaching doomsday resulting from changes in a minor trace gas would have been put to rest long ago.

Alex
April 17, 2009 5:44 am

Flanagan will not give up, he has been “attacking” other blogs!
arguments have been going around in circles for quite some time…

Roger Knights
April 17, 2009 5:45 am

Typo: Under “The facts must fit the theory” heading, it says “[italics added]”, but there are no italics.

Alex
April 17, 2009 5:48 am

“Chris Colose has posted a paper that says that decadal coolings are not unusual during global warming.”
Rubbish.
According to the CO2 AGW theory:
“CO2 is meant to be the primary
forcing agent accounting for more than 60% of all forcing agents. For that to be the case then the above graph {10 year drop since ’98} is impossible.”
(refer to HadCRUT temperature plot at http://ker-plunk.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-nails-in-co2-as-primary-forcing.html )

hunter
April 17, 2009 5:48 am

Smokey,
Exactly right. Hansen is still selling infantile comparisons between Venus and Earth as part of his sales pitch.
While, allegedly, 97% of climate scientists think global warming is real, I would like to know how many think that a global catastrophe is on the way?
The great trick of AGW promoters has been to deliberately confuse the fact of CO2 physics with the false conjecture of apocalyptic results.
There is no evidence that AGW models accurately describe how CO2 behaves in the climate. There are only models based on models based on conjecture.

Matt Bennett
April 17, 2009 6:01 am

“So what would T.H. Huxley have thought of today’s “consensus” climate scientists, with their claims that the issue of man-made climate change is “settled,” that there is no need for further debate,”….
Probably the same thing he would of thought of evolutionary biologists who say
“evolution of life on earth as a fact is “settled,” that there is no need for further debate,” on whether it actually happened. It’s time to work out the details”
Which would probably be along the lines of “well done chaps, you’ve put in a hell of an effort on this one, let’s hope you’ve given us enough time to act. Whatever you do, don’t let those masquerading as modern day Galileos with their ill-informed and carefully affected outrage derail your continued scientific endeavours.”

Robinson
April 17, 2009 6:02 am

Mrs Whatsit, my point still stands, not that anybody commented on it. This is less about the actual science, despite what people here may think and more about Government support of the paradigm because it suits their ends (“ends justify means”). Those ends are a reduction in dependence on foreign oil and gas. It doesn’t matter what anyone says about the science, at the end of the day. The whole debate is about utility, not truth. I would have thought most people here recognised that fact a long time ago.
As to the ends, lets hope that our technocracy (driven as it is by Science and Scientists) will not end up too badly squashed by the irrationality of the catastrophists.

John W.
April 17, 2009 6:17 am

Flanagan (00:14:30) :

– We’re not 100% sure that quantum mechanics is completely correct, but nevertheless we build hyper-expensive super-accelerators, fission and fusion power plants. We use computers and laser-discs and MP3s and they work.

??????
Could you cite some peer review papers in, say, any Physics journal that would be found by Google Scholar? (Please, no references from the Discovery Institute.) I just hit 1, 240,000 on Quantum Mechanics, but got zip trying to find any challenging the field. Maybe I just didn’t use the correct keywords, and you can help me out.
However, I think the problem is that your assertion is completely false. There are quite a few things in QM of which we are 100% certain. (E.g. the photoelectric effect, which explains, among other things, how those solar panels work.) QM does, of course, have uncertainties, problems to be solved, a great many things to be discovered, contradictory evidence to be accounted for, etc. But to argue by analogy that “We’re not 100% sure that quantum mechanics is completely correct…” as a defense of AGW is completely misleading. Specifically, the uncertainties in QM are openly discussed and debated, with new hypotheses arising as old ones are discarded. There is absolutely nothing comparable in the behavior of AGW proponents. Comparing their behavior to that of quantum physicists, as you implicitly did, is an insult to the physicists and implies a standard of professional behavior the AGW “scientists” blatantly and deliberately avoid.

bill
April 17, 2009 6:32 am

Patrik (00:30:58) :
You’re talking about 97% consensus. Consensus is not a scientific argument.
If the methods with which the consensus has been achieved are flawed, then the consensus is totally irrelevant.
This, my friend, is why most sceptics like to discuss the methods used rather than the percentage of scientists who believe in the results. 🙂

So the skeptic use of fig 1 above is valid. Where are the figures derived from. I’ve seen the source of the graph but never seen the derivations.
HOW can you compare anysystem further in the past than 65My (when the current land masses were in roughly the right place). During the period of that graph the land mass has been single super continents a couple of times. The poles have been free of land, etc, etc. Go to the source of that graph and play with the time animations – any sensible person would not expect the climate to be comparable with different land configurations. Why to skeptics keep bringing up the idea that 7000ppm of CO2 500My ago did not cause run-away temperatures – the world was DIFFERENT!!!!!!! The graph is simplistic (for simple minds?!)

Roger Knights
April 17, 2009 6:37 am

I think a scientific consensus carries a good deal of weight. However:
1. If it is not an informed consensus, its weight is lessened. How familiar are members of the consensus with the arguments of its critics–and with the critics’ replies to the consensus’s dismissals thereof? If asked to give a sketch of the critics’ major points and rejoinders, could they do so accurately? If not, that counts against them.
2. The consensus must not constitute a coterie that excludes the opinions of experts in fields bordering the topic being studied, such as (to quote Ian Plimer) “astronomy, solar physics, geology, geochronology, geochemistry, sedimentology, tectonics, paleontology, paleoecology, glaciology, climatology, meteorology, oceanography, ecology, archaeology, and history.” (And let’s not forget statistics and the sociology of science (e.g., fads).) It should not be limited to 97 atmospheric scientists, because long-range and global climatology is an inter-disciplinary field.

Roger Knights
April 17, 2009 6:39 am

Oops–make that “79 atmospheric scientists.”
BTW, how about naming and honoring the two heretics in the sample, after AGW is disposed of?

Mr Lynn
April 17, 2009 6:45 am

Person of Choler (03:23:17) :
A Huxley quote to consider when analyzing climate model results:
“Mathematics may be compared to a mill of exquisite workmanship, which grinds you stuff of any degree of fineness; but, nevertheless, what you get out depends on what you put in; and as the grandest mill in the world will not extract wheat flour from peascods, so pages of formulæ will not get a definite result out of loose data.”
~Thomas Henry Huxley, 1825-1895, Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society of London 25: 38, 1869.

GIGO! A century before computers!

Robinson (03:42:24) :
Ok guys, here’s something I don’t see mentioned very often. The question in my mind (thinking about things overnight and trying to unconfuse my confused mind) is whether or not the ends justify the means. The ends being a reduction in dependence on foreign oil (considered a good thing) but the means being a propaganda war based on falsehoods that may well destroy public trust in Science and the Scientific Process for a generation.
I implore you all, good people, in this blog and elsewhere, to discuss this issue as well as the details (interesting though the detail is of course).

When do laudable ends justify draconian, even ruinous means? Did winning WWII justify Dresden and Hiroshima? Could the end have been achieved with less horrific means? Hard to say, even in retrospect.
The goal of reducing “dependence on foreign oil” can easily be achieved by developing and using more domestic oil and coal (and nuclear power). Instead the faux-environmentalists and alarmists would have us forgo all ‘fossil fuel’, thereby wrecking the economy. This is clearly an imbalance of ends and means.
This letter to Benny Peiser’s terrific CCNet e-list is illustrative (it’s so striking I’m taking the liberty of quoting the whole thing):

Dear Benny:
The fine article “Slashing U. S. Emissions” by Paul Driessen in the April 9, 2009 CCNet, pointed out the folly of trying to reduce future U. S. carbon dioxide levels below certain amounts using 1990 carbon dioxide emissions as a base level. However, the situation is worse than portrayed because the data did not take into account the United States’ increasing population each year due to immigration and births.
The following Table illustrates the United States population and per capita energy consumption from fossil fuels from 1900 to 2007 and then extrapolates per capita energy consumption from fossil fuels for 2020 and 2050 using government mandated reductions in carbon dioxide output:
UNITED STATES POPULATION AND PER CAPITA ENERGY CONSUMPTION
YEAR POPULATION(millions) FOSSIL FUEL ENERGY CONSUMPTION
(million Btu/year per capita)
1900 76.2 80(est.)
1930 123.2 140(est.)
1950 152.3 207
1970 206 339
1980 227.2 307.290
1990 249.6 290
2000 282 281
2007 301.6 286
2020 336(est.) 215 (1990 CO-2 emission level)
2020 336(est.) 172 (80% 1990 CO-2 emission)
2020 336(est.) 129 (60% 1990 CO-2 emission)
2050 420(est.) 34 (20% 1990 CO-2 emission)
2050 420(est.) 17 (10% 1990 CO-2 emission)
Source: U. S. EIA
The per capita fossil fuel energy use increased from 1950 to 1970 because of greater automobile use and adoption of air conditioning and other creature comforts in the home. By the late 1970s, fossil fuel energy use started to fall because of increased fossil fuel cost and implementation of alternative energies such as nuclear energy.
These numbers indicate staggering reductions in fossil fuel use to achieve any of the proposed reductions in carbon dioxide use by 2020 and beyond. Just to meet a standard of the same emissions from 1990 for the year 2020 would require per capita reduction of 25 percent fossil fuel consumption. Trying to meet 20 percent 1990 carbon dioxide emissions for 2050 would place fossil fuel energy use around the period of the Civil War. Great sacrifices would be needed by our population. Washers and dryers, air conditioning, and computers use will be limited. Auto travel would be curtailed because the only means of propulsion would probably be limited use of electricity.
It would be easy for politicians in 2009 to pass laws restricting fossil fuel energy use in 2050 because they would not be alive to witness the horror they inflicting on the United States.
Regards,
James H. Rust
Professor of Nuclear Engineering (retired)

/Mr Lynn

Mr Lynn
April 17, 2009 6:51 am

Note re Prof. Rust’s letter above:
The table in the original has THREE columns,
YEAR
POPULATION (millions)
FOSSIL FUEL ENERGY CONSUMPTION (MILLION BTU/year per capita)
The tabs did not carry over here, but you can see a space between the values for each column.
/Mr Lynn

April 17, 2009 6:54 am

Well so far I have to agree completely with this article. I’ve been kicked off (permanently) more consensus climate sites than I can say simply for polite disagreement.
The consensus is manufactured stifling of reasonable dissent.
Guess what happens when you run RegEM on the Antarctic, without the peninsula stations or satellite data.
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/no-peninsula-regem/

John Galt
April 17, 2009 6:54 am

MikeN (22:11:53) :
Chris Colose has posted a paper that says that decadal coolings are not unusual during global warming.

The climate is supposed to change!
The point is the global temps aren’t rising in accordance to the conventional hypothesis of AGW from greenhouse gas emissions. As presented in this post, if facts don’t support the hypothesis, then the hypothesis is probably incorrect.
Remember, the climate is supposed to change. Whether it’s warming or cooling is a moot point.

farmersteve
April 17, 2009 6:56 am

A bovine analogy
When it comes to true understanding of enormous topics,
Such as gravity, time, or the atmosphere
comparing the intelligence of two humans is akin to
humans comparing the intelligence of two cows.
Cow A is judged to be twice as intelligent as cow B.
Yet, we all know they are still, both, completely ignorant!
The contrast between the cows and the humans is
Real cows would admit they do not understand.
Oh, and the cows taste better.
If you are just a regular person and you are not exactly understanding
all of this. There is a reason for that! Do not be intimidated!
Remember the cows! Some of the cow A’s are feeding you full of s#t and
making a good living doing it.
Some of the cow A’s are coming out to the prairie and trying to tell the farmer
what a commodity is! And when the farmer disagrees they say, he or she does not understand!
Oh, by the way, they are offering the farmers a large bribe “your money” if they agree.
They call this bribe to deny common sense a carbon credit.
Consensus is worth little in science however it is powerful in politics.
Signed Cow B

April 17, 2009 6:57 am

Anthony, excuse me anothr time for OT, but perhaps it would be the case that you ‘ll talk about the counts of solar spots between Sidc and NOAA, in particular the Sidc has already counted the spot of last March 26 and always under reporting of Catania could even count that much most ridiculous of April 6th! In Italy we are already talking here (translated by google):
http://72.14.221.132/translate_c?hl=it&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://daltonsminima.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/giusto-per-concludere-la-telenovela-ecco-qui-la-cronaca-dettagliata-della-macchia-fantasma-del-6-aprile/&prev=hp&usg=ALkJrhjdEI4AB1qyPxABrpC58-oNO78mDg
Indeed is happening what happened last August!
The observatory of Catania in Italy is doing some serious damage in counting of spots, but what we criticize here is that the Sidc follows Catania unconditionally, instead of guaranteeing the uniformity of counting sunspots with the past by telescopes 80 mm!
Simon
REPLY: I agree, perhaps it is time to mount a letter campaign. – Anthony