Guest post by Steven Goddard
Suzanne Goldenberg recently
complained in the UK Guardian about the
ICCC (International Conference on Climate Change) global warming “deniers” :
The 600 attendees (by the organisers’ count) are almost entirely white males, and many, if not most, are past retirement age. Only two women and one African-American man figure on the programme of more than 70 speakers.
In the UK, profiling like that might be considered a hate crime if it were about any other group other than the one she described. But that isn’t the point. Below is a
photo of the vaunted
IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change) taken at their last meeting. The spitting image of her description of the I
CCC. No doubt Ms. Goldenberg considers the adult white men in the I
PCC to be great visionaries, leading the noble fight against climate Armageddon.
Here are some other scientists active in climate change:
Jim Hansen:
Hansen at a climate conference in Denmark 2009.
Left to Right: Dr. Gavin Schmidt (NASA Goddard Space Flight Center), Dr. Paul Knappenberger (President of the Adler Planetarium and Astronomy Museum), Dr. Wally Broecker (Columbia University), and Dr. Ray Pierrehumbert (University of Chicago) pose for a photo after the first of the Global Climate Change forum. Forum I was held at the Adler Planetarium.
Is it a big surprise that most
senior scientists are adult white males? And what criteria did she use to choose the expertise of one group of prestigious scientists to the exclusion of another? Does she consider her personal climate expertise to be superior to
Dr. Richard Lindzen, to the point where she can choose to simply ignore his opinion?
Richard Siegmund Lindzen, Ph.D., (born February 8, 1940) is a Harvard trained atmospheric physicist and the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Lindzen is known for his research in dynamic meteorology, especially planetary waves. He has published over 200 books and scientific papers. He was the lead author of Chapter 7 (physical processes) of the Third Assessment Report of the IPCC on global warming (2001). He has been a critic of some anthropogenic global warming theories and the political pressures surrounding climate scientists.
It is one thing to question the scientific conclusions of an organisation, and a completely different matter to make an ad hominem attack against an entire group – based on such witless criteria.
H/T to Aron for finding the article
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Thanks K.Moore for that insight into the mind of that superior being, Mr Merchant. Rarely have I seen such a load of patronising drivel.
I will probably use it as the basis of a satire at some point when this whole AGW farce has blown over.
Modest Proposal: The Guardian should be able to use its influence to declare London Green. Instead of talking about what everyone else should do, they should actually do it somewhere. Like London. No fossil fuel use, period. Show us how it’s done. Lead by example. Be the first to take the plunge. Remember, time is short, you have to do it NOW (and paying for carbon credits is cheating).
To Both Sides of this Particular Post…. What’s your point?
Someone posted all the women in the IPCC? What is your point? Women are smarter? Young women especially so? The IPCC is more right because they appear more “inclusive”? Merit of logic, quality of work and group position is based on the demographics of membership? Deniers do not like women?
Really what is your point.
As far as pointing out that a picture of the IPCC as white guys, same questions? What is the point?
Nothing like a good dose of divisive politics to distract from the real world, while entertaining not very substantive.
If you study animal family groups, such as mericats, elephants, chimps, gorillas, wolves, lion prides, immigration of young human males without the extended family, etc, studies show that if the adult males and females that are past child-bearing age are removed from the group, the group disintegrates.
Steven Goddard (11:37:15) :
“32 out of 34 IPCC lead authors are men. ”
Thank goodness. More women +more sentimentality +more unnatural fear+more individual rights =loss of collective rights.
The last one out please switch off the lights.
Several articles today on legalising and taxing marijuana in California and Oregan.
Sounds like a good way to take money out of criminal hands.
Then you realise two things:
1. Legalising it would mean the already establish wealthy companies would take control of it. Many poor people who make cash on the side from selling the stuff would end up poorer and commit more crime than they already do.
2. It’s bad enough that the youth have already been getting stoned and easy to brainwash by a politically motivated media. Now they could become permanently stoned all day long legally and become even more susceptible to brainwashing.
Mike A. (10:21:33) :
“Does I.P.C.C. stand for International Party of Cretaceous Communists?”
or maybe:
International Piltdown Climate Co-operative.
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Richard Sharpe (10:36:55) :
“For my part I think it has to do with a couple of things:
1. Lots of experience in the real world.
2. No longer caring about pernicious peer pressure.”
and a couple or more extra decades of being lied to by politicians and campaigners.
Sorry Anthony, didn’t realise word games with acronyms was off limits.
They have to be kidding, has anyone seen the trace charts from Cryosphere today?
foinavon at 8:15: Of course! (Oh, I dislike addressing disinformation specialists.) “And as with science in general, there is a strong representation of youthful women in climate science.”
Probably a majority of IPCC “scientists” are young and as you have pointed out many of them are female. I imagine that few older scientists who are well versed in their research areas would give the IPCC the time of day — that is unless they desire to continue to receive grants and to be published. Almost all publications have been taken over by the pseudo-scientists (academic and corporate) who demand the party line. Older scientists on the IPCC will be either financially needy or ego driven, or like James Hansen, not only the latter, but spouting off outside of his area of expertise.
Regarding the (young) women scientists, the issue becomes more complicated. If they are raising a family (even with husbands) they become even more subject to subtle threats to their job security, advancement possibilities, and being included on a research team. How many universities have young male or female scientists in any area touching climate change who are permitted to work on real science.
My smallish institution of higher education was pretty much taken over by leftists-marxists-critical theorists. Once they became the majority of the faculty in a department — and well placed deans could stack those odds — all other faculty members voted in were fellow travelers. Applicants with excellent credentials were ignored; course standards declined; and the variety of viewpoints contracted severely. Our current President did not stray far from these leftists ideas throughout his entire career, and a study of his student and work career suggests that he never had to produce much in any area.
Thank goodness for the older folk who know what standards are, who know how to work, who know the rigors of science and other research fields. They will continue to pursue truths. I think I hear envy on the part of “younger” commenters. With age comes wisdom and the freedom to pursue one’s own goals. More power to age.
“…many, if not most, are past retirement age.”
Well, at least she didn’t suggest that they pursue a career as Wal•Mart greeters.
Yup,
medias running mad on AGW, maybe there’s nothing else left
they could distort.
Don’t worry, guys and gals, the world allways did look extremely mad,
just before it entered a time of reason and sane again.
Here we are, again.
Ok, they have pushed last years N/H trace up a bit, to make this year fall under the wire!
David Porter (11:37:12)
Not sure what your point is. I’m addressing Steven Goddard’s top post which makes a rather selective depiction of climate science (“Is it a big surprise that most senior scientists are adult white males?”). In the climate field (as in science in general at least outwith the very physical/mathematical sciences), women (and even youngish women without beards!) are rather highly represented in senior positions. That seems to be a truism…perhaps you can explain why pointing that out detracts from my “credibility”!
The Telegraph actually tends to be fairly well balanced. A good piece from Bjorn Lomborg today.
One of the few current GW articles with comments enabled, However my comments tend not to get by the censors of late and sure enough. I gave support to the article and squeezed in a little diatribe that if wanting to discuss Climate Change Deniers then we need look no further than the fabrication commonly known as the Hockey Stick. 🙂
Not going to see the light of day it seems.
Mick.
Ben Lawson (07:19:56) :
Why didn’t you continue the quote you pulled? “Aside from a smattering of academics from well-known universities, they are affiliated with rightwing thinktanks, such as the Ayn Rand Institute, the Carbon Sense Coalition, or the scarily named Committee for A Constructive Tomorrow, that operate far outside the mainstream of public discourse.”
So, Ben, does that mean that you endorse the article’s methodology, as long as the excerpted parts are included? To my way of thinking, the added materials merely reinforce the sense that the writer does not want to deal with the substance of the arguments being presented. Whether the presenters are old white men, or merely associates of one or another supposedly disreputable organization, its all the same sort of guilt-by-association argument as far as I can tell. I speak as a good left winger, who can’t stand Ayn Rand, but also can’t stand this kind of politically correct rubbish from the “other side.” Let’s try to deal with this subject on the merits,shall we?
The skepticism I have heard voiced here, as well as on other sites, has convinced me that, whatever brush you want to smear the ICCC participants with, as a group they are performing a valuable function in our society. They are responding, sometimes with considerable intelligence and insight, to the amazingly bizarre and unfounded “science” that has proclaimed that AGW is a “fact” that is “beyond debate.” This is clearly not the case, or you would not be so engaged in the debate as to defend such disreputable tactics.
The global ice extent area, according to Cryosphere Today is on the line of 1979-2000 average. Will they let it go above?
whoops, I messed up my blockquotes! Here’s how it should have turned out:
pyromancer76 (12:38:35) :
You seem to be pursuing a conspiracy theory notion. Have you got any evidence of these “publications taken over by pseudo-scientists…”? It doesn’t ring true to me at all. Since science is evidence-based there’s abundant scope for young scientists (with and without beards!) to make novel discoveries, find out things that don’t conform to the current view and so on. And these get published. So the notion that all those scientists (women and all) are toeing the party line is just absurd. One cannot make any progress in science by attempting to pursue falsehoods.
And in fact very many “older scientists who are well versed in their research areas” are more than happy to make their contribution to the IPCC. We could make a list of many of those too if we wished.
As for your “smallish institution of higher education”, it sounds like you made a dismal choice….bad luck!
Typical liberal response. They walk around with a pack of labels reading “Hater”, “Homophobe”, “Denier”, “Fundamentalist”, etc. When they are presented with a rational argument, they have no rational response, so they riffle through their pack of labels, and slap one on the opponent. Then they say “See? She/He is a {insert label}” and therefore should not be listened to. In fact, all {insert label}s should be silenced!
This practice is carefully taught and encouraged in our centers of higher (and lower) learning.
Spare me! If that’s all you’ve got, don’t waste your breath on me!
David, may you be run over by a matriarchal African elephant who just so happens to not like her younger daughter’s choice of mate. Many a male wannabe has been seen peeing as he flees that charging elephant.
Foinavon said:
I think I have your measure now. Thank’s for being upfront about it.
This is a surprise? Don’t you know that it’s OK for liberals to label and use hate speech, it’s just everyone else who can’t… I’m reminded of that Wizard of Oz song… and I picture the folks of the AGW tribe singing: ” If I only Had a brain!” Oh well. Internal consistency has never been the AGW strong suit.
On a positive note, I’ve decided to put up a weekly comment on what markets are doing. I think that the Obama speech this week where he basically said “Yeah, it will be onerous, but not very onerous, I’m keeping business in mind” had a small salving effect. We’ll see how much. If you care about stock charts and how I ‘read the market’ I’ve put the rest of it here:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/wsw-friday-march-13th-2009/
I’ll get back to the GIStemp code soon. I just had to take a break from it and do something more rational for a few days…
The point is there was a science conference and the writer could only find fault with the attendees sex, race and gender. There was no coverage of the science, no attempts to refute the arguments, no evidence offered to counter the skeptics except to point out they are a bunch of old white men.
I think it would be an interesting statistical study to try to compile data on the number of times errors artificially increase the observed AGW effect over the number of times that the errors artificially decreased the observed AGW effect.
I would suspect that you would find an equal distribution of errors above and below, unless somebody is massaging the numbers.
Two possible sources of error.
1. Those looking for errors in the data might be searching only for errors that shown increase.
2. Those in the scientific fields could actually be massaging the data to make their case stronger, e.g. Dr. James Hansen.
Anybody interested in or have time to take on such a task? I’d be interested in helping to do a study of this nature.
Them met office said this week.
scientists from around the world gather at a climate congress, our climate scientists are highlighting the necessity for early action on climate change to limit temperature rises to 2 °C and avoid the worst effects of our changing climate.
In an article published on the Met Office website, Dr Vicky Pope, Head of Climate Change Advice at the Met Office, states: “Even with drastic cuts in emissions over the next 10 years our results project that there will only be around a 50% chance of keeping global temperatures rises below 2 °C.
“For every delay of 10 years in achieving peak emissions another 0.5 °C will be added to the most likely temperature rise, unless emissions are reduced even more quickly.”
These findings, along with other new research from the Met Office on the science and impacts of climate change, are being presented at the Climate Change: Global Risks, Challenges and Decisions Congress in Copenhagen this week. The main aim of the congress is to provide an understanding of the latest scientific knowledge on climate change in the run-up to the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen in December 2009.