"The good news is, if this sucker blows, global warming is not going to be a problem. "

Some worrisome news from Greg Laden’s Science blog, also in the running for Best Science Blog

Note: Image below was not part of the original story

This images indicates Yellowstone earthquake from the past week. One of the most intense siesmic "swarms" in the national park's history has been shaking the north end of Yellowstone Lake. Since Dec. 26, 900 quakes, 111 measuring magnitude 2.0 to 3.9, have been recorded. Image by the U.S. Geological Survey.

Seismic Activity at Yellowstone by Greg Laden

You have already heard that there has been increased seismic activity at Yellowstone National Park over the last few days. Since December 26th, there have been several earthquakes a day, some jut over 3.0 magnitude, in the vicinity of the north side of Yellowstone’s lake. This is a seismically active region, but the level of earthquake activity being seen now is much greater than seen in perhaps decades (though the data are still not sufficiently analyzed to make positive comparisons yet).Volcano experts have absolutely no clue as to what this means. A major reason for virtually total uncertainty is that Yellowstone sits on top of a very large caldera of the type that is formed by a so-called “super volcano” and the last super volcano to erupt was a few years (like, 70 or so thousand years) before any seismic or other geological monitoring station were set up anywhere. Indeed, the first really serious data collection at Yellowstone began just over 30 years ago.

Anyway, I’ve got a few resources for you in case you want to explore this further. To begin with, I recommend a look at my earlier post on this matter:

The Yellowstone Problem

As you have surely heard, the Yellowstone Caldera … the place where Old Faithful and the Geyser Basin reside … has been undergoing increased “activity” including some earthquakes and a rising up of the land. Is this a big problem? Should the evacuate? Should those of us living only a few states away start wearing earplugs?

My sister, Elizabeth, publishes a newspaper in the vicinity of Yellowstone and they’ve got a very comprehensive piece on he caldera. In fact, my sister’s nickname is Caldera Girl. So she really knows her Calderas.

Tracking Changes in Yellowstone’s Restless Volcanic System

…Since the 1970s, scientists have tracked rapid uplift and subsidence of the ground and significant changes in hydrothermal features and earthquake activity. In 2001, the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory was created by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the University of Utah, and Yellowstone National Park to strengthen scientists’ ability to track activity that could result in hazardous seismic, hydrothermal, or volcanic events in the region…

Finally, we’ve got this somewhat hokey but still fun to watch movie of how we are all totally doomed (h/t Caldera Girl).

The good news is, if this sucker blows, global warming is not going to be a problem.

I am personally keeping close watch on the seismic activity in the area and if I see anything ominous I’ll let you know. As soon as I finish packing and driving about 2,000 miles to the south of here.

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Philip_B
January 9, 2009 2:38 pm

I’m more concerned about NORTH COAST OF PAPUA, INDONESIA.
Indonesia has a lot of big volcanoes.
Big nasty volcanoes.

Suprisingly, Indonesian Papua doesn’t have any volcanos that we know about (Holocene eruptions). Despite being on the Ring of Fire with numerous volcanos in surrounding areas.

Karl Heuer
January 9, 2009 2:49 pm

crosspatch-
the Sun has gotten ~300 degrees Kelvin hotter since it entered the Main Sequence about 4.57 Billion years ago — it will not get appreciably hotter , or more luminous until it starts burning helium – A little over 4GY in the future
The Sun will not be luminous enough to kill all plant life on Earth in 900 Million years — as KOC posited.
Subduction will not stop in 125 or even 250MY
The Earth’s Core will still be 7000 degrees in 250MY (maybe 200 degrees C lower than today, maybe not) — the upper mantle will be between 800 degrees F and 1600 degrees F – the lower still 2500-6000 Subduction will still be going on

January 9, 2009 2:49 pm

…. hmmm, I’m trying to figure out who has greater ‘control’ of the current global zeitgeist at the moment – ‘weather forecasters’ or ‘financial analysts’ … ? Seriously.
… let’s apply ‘chaos theory’ to both these models … and what do we SEE?
Repetative ebbing AND flowing, exponential expanding AND contracting, and much that is RANDOM, UNKNOWN and UNIMAGINED by lotsa puny little humans …
o’my, o’my, what’s a girl to do? what to THINK?
Well, I find the synchronicity between the potential cataclysmic ‘supra-eruption’ and the historic ‘crowning’ of a the next American President somewhat, ah, intriguingly coincidental … …. no?
Seems like – Timing is Everything in these here Patterns of Evolution.

Karl Heuer
January 9, 2009 2:52 pm

The Earth’s Core and Mantle temperatures will still be plenty hot for the next 2 Billion Years — Core Temps >5000 F and Mantle Temps between 800 and 1600 F (the mantle only cools by 50-75 degrees K per GY.

Ed Scott
January 9, 2009 2:54 pm

2008 Coldest Year Since 2000 and Clearly Not a Top Ten Warmest Year
Jan 09, 2009
By Joseph D’Aleo, CCM, AMS Fellow
MSU Satellite Temperatures Continue to Diverge from Global Data Bases
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MSU_Satellite_Temperatures_Continue_to_Diverge_from_Global_Data_Bases.pdf

January 9, 2009 3:05 pm

George Bruce (10:31:48) : “Obviously we need to reconsider human sacrifice…”
Not at awl, brethren and cistern! Awl yew haff to dew is appease Almight-T-Gawud for your sins! Sin awffsets will be on sale in the lobby as soon as you’ve watched my movie, “An Incontinent Truth.”

Karl Heuer
January 9, 2009 3:06 pm

crosspatch
Mars lost its atmosphere due to low planetary mass, and a very weak magnetic field — that was apparently quite lopsided to begin with — strong in the Southern Hemi — weak in the North — leading to atmosphere removal — even with a magnetic field
Mars only has 11% the mass of Earth — 1/3 the gravity — that is the main reason for the thin atmosphere — the thin atmosphere is the reason it is so affected by the solar wind
Venus has a very weak magnetic field also — but with a mass close to that of earth –its atmosphere is much denser — and creates a strong ionosphere that protects from solar wind atmospheric removal

crosspatch
January 9, 2009 3:34 pm

I am well aware of that, Karl, which is one reason Earth has retained so much atmoshere to date. Venus is apparently has very active volcanism which keeps the atmosphere recharged with fresh gasses.
Gasses are constantly being stripped out of the atmosphere by the solar wind and by such things as disruptions by large flares that are directed at Earth. They are replaced by volcanism. Stop volcanism and you stop those gasses being replaced. And at the same time, if you constantly turn the heat up from the sun over time, as it does when it ages, you are eventually left with a rock.
We could probably get an atmosphere going again on mars by doing something like A: intentionally crash Phobos into the planet since it is in an unstable orbit and is going to crash into Mars anyway in another million or two years, just get that overwith now. B: Drill a very, very deep hole and intentionally drop enough fissionable material down that hole to cause a “melt down” (intentionally not enough moderator). Then stand back and wait a few million years. Heck, you might just want to go collecting up asteroids all through the belt and send them into Mars. Some serious bombardment would begin to heat the place back up again.

Jeff Alberts
January 9, 2009 3:37 pm

jorgekafkazar (15:05:07) :
George Bruce (10:31:48) : “Obviously we need to reconsider human sacrifice…”
Not at awl, brethren and cistern! Awl yew haff to dew is appease Almight-T-Gawud for your sins! Sin awffsets will be on sale in the lobby as soon as you’ve watched my movie, “An Incontinent Truth.”

Don’t forget the free lemonade!

Robinson
January 9, 2009 3:38 pm

I think it’s worth noting that seismic recording has only been going on for a few decades here. We have no way of knowing if this is “normal”; it may have happened many times before. In all probability, given the speed with which scientists come out and spout crap about anything these days, I’d say it’s probably benign and that there’s nothing to worry about.

Jim Arndt
January 9, 2009 4:03 pm

This will also stop global warming.

King of Cool
January 9, 2009 4:29 pm

Pearland Aggie (04:46:24) :
I guess this is a new sunspot that will end the spotless streak…looks fairly legit.

Cycle 24 begins!
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/10jan_solarcycle24.htm

REPLY:
Um, that was last January. And I scooped NASA on it days before they had the story, see here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/04/solar-cycle-24-has-officially-started/

David S
January 9, 2009 4:37 pm

I may be able to spin this into an excuse for not shoveling snow tomorrow.

January 9, 2009 4:39 pm

I used to watch docos on the Discovery Channel, and some about Volcanoes, and they basically said Yellowstone could errupt at any given time and that’s been proven indefinetely compared to AGW. Good thing I’m in Australia xD
Eloise

H.R.
January 9, 2009 4:46 pm

@Smokey (06:19:29) :
“If Yellowstone blows, at least one human will survive to carry on: click”
LOL Great satire!
However, ummmm… I think it requires a specific combination of two humans to perpetuate the species ;0)

len
January 9, 2009 4:51 pm

I hope it holds off a bit. I need to get used to the sun shutting off first. If this does go then forget mild ‘Grand Minimum’ … we’re in for a Sporer and Maunder double whammy. It’s going to be 200 years before we get back to the 70’s let alone 80’s. That should do in wheat farming just south of the 60th parrallel 😉

Julie L
January 9, 2009 5:06 pm

hotrod (04:35:00) : The Yellowstone super volcano would totally re-define the term major disaster if it decided to blow in modern times. It would certainly test the hypothesis of global cooling due to volcanic ass injection into the atmosphere.

(I hope I did the blockquote correctly…)
hotrod, you made my day!
Here I am, home sick (CFS??), and I’ve been giggling all day over the volcanic ass injection. That’s the most memorable thing I’ve seen on this blog (heck, ANY blog) in years!
😀 😀
Thanks for the giggles!
Anthony, I haven’t commented in ages – must thank you again for this blog. Awesome job, dude.

January 9, 2009 5:11 pm

Hi Fred,
Thanks for your comment.
Since there is probably some warm-up lag between air temp and ice melt, perhaps something definitive could be said if 5 years from now, we’re still in a cooling phase and the sea is still rising by anything above statistical noise.
re: anthropomorphic – I’m supposed to know that. LOL

King of Cool
January 9, 2009 5:33 pm

REPLY: Um, that was last January. And I scooped NASA on it days before they had the story, see here:

Oops, what a difference a year makes. Thanks Anthony, hope you scoop them again. I’ll get back the wading pool.

January 9, 2009 5:46 pm

@Julie L !
Ah! the rewards of reading all the comments.
I needed a chuckle, too. Hope you’re feeling better, soon.
Thanks for pointing out that great typo courtesy of Hotrod.
” . . I’ve been giggling all day over the volcanic ass injection. That’s the most memorable thing I’ve seen on this blog (heck, ANY blog) in years!
😀 :D”
Yep. Memorable.
(You DO think it was a typo – don’t you? I mean he wouldn’t have done that on purpose . . . . .:D

Ray Reynolds
January 9, 2009 6:02 pm

I have to wonder…well ok, I have to wonder about everything, but if the thin fragile skin of the earth were to cool and contract would that not put more pressure of the earths molten core to breach the surface?
Hey…go vote!

insurgent
January 9, 2009 6:47 pm

Don’t worry. I have it on good authority that it won’t blow until 2012! 😉

January 9, 2009 6:57 pm

According to the USGS there was a similar ‘swarm’ of earthquakes back in 2004 and there was no cataclysm. Larger ‘swarms’ were reported in 1985 and 1995, yet pointing this wouldn’t sell any newspapers, or make people watch weally scawy TV ‘documentaries’ would it?
The last paragraph of the 2004 USGS report linked to makes mention of the probable cause of the 2004 ‘swarm’ being migration of hot water and gas, not magma. Soo, don’t book the ‘end of the world’ party just yet.
2008 report: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/activity/
2004 report: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/publications/2004/apr04swarm.php

crosspatch
January 9, 2009 7:10 pm

“Karl Heuer (14:49:03) :
crosspatch-
the Sun has gotten ~300 degrees Kelvin hotter since it entered the Main Sequence about 4.57 Billion years ago — it will not get appreciably hotter , or more luminous until it starts burning helium – A little over 4GY in the future”
That is absolutely not true. We can find lots of references. one of the more generous gives us a billion years most give 250 to 500 million. There’s a little more detail here

And, Kasting said, a cataclysmic finale may come even sooner. As Earth becomes a global desert, carbon dioxide levels are expected to drop. At a certain level, which he and his colleagues say might be achieved in half a billion years, there would not be enough carbon dioxide to support photosynthesis, and most plants would die.
Remaining plants would not be sufficient to support a biosphere, Kasting contends. So while the entire planet might incinerated in a few billion years, or cast off into a deep freeze, it’s possible that life on Earth is already in the sunset years.
“If we calculated correctly, Earth has been habitable for 4.5 billion years and only has a half-billion years left,” Kasting said

And I have heard this same scenario from more sources. The sun is getting brighter all the time though it may not be a constant, even increase. It might increase in steps. The sun will be about 40% brighter than it is now before it starts fusing helium. Earth will have been a dead rock for billions of years before that.

January 9, 2009 7:26 pm

America STOP Please being immediate re-cycling of Yellow Brick Road into very tall Yellow Brick Chimney atop Yellowstone National Park STOP Very tall STOP