When we last checked in to the Nansen Sea Ice Graphs, it looked like they were heading towards the “normal” line in a hurry. Ice area seems to still be on that trend, while extent seems to be leveling off it’s growth rate. Area appears to be within about 200,000 square kilometers of the 1979-2007 monthly average and still climbing.

Of course the fact that the 2007 data is included in the average line, means the average is a lower than usual target than one might expect. If we compare to ice area over at Cryopshere today, they use a 1979-2000 mean, which is higher. Still the rebound we are seeing is impressive.
Sea ice extent looks like this:

These graphs will automatically update, so check back often.
For those of you wondering, here is the difference between area and extent, as described in the NSIDC FAQ’s page:
What is the difference between sea ice area and extent? Why does NSIDC use extent measurements?
Area and extent are different measures and give scientists slightly different information. Some organizations, including Cryosphere Today, report ice area; NSIDC primarily reports ice extent. Extent is always a larger number than area, and there are pros and cons associated with each method.
A simplified way to think of extent versus area is to imagine a slice of swiss cheese. Extent would be a measure of the edges of the slice of cheese and all of the space inside it. Area would be the measure of where there’s cheese only, not including the holes. That’s why if you compare extent and area in the same time period, extent is always bigger. A more precise explanation of extent versus area gets more complicated.
Extent defines a region as “ice-covered” or “not ice-covered.” For each satellite data cell, the cell is said to either have ice or to have no ice, based on a threshold. The most common threshold (and the one NSIDC uses) is 15 percent, meaning that if the data cell has greater than 15 percent ice concentration, the cell is considered ice covered; less than that and it is said to be ice free. Example: Let’s say you have three 25 kilometer (km) x 25 km (16 miles x 16 miles) grid cells covered by 16% ice, 2% ice, and 90% ice. Two of the three cells would be considered “ice covered,” or 100% ice. Multiply the grid cell area by 100% sea ice and you would get a total extent of 1,250 square km (482 square miles).
Area takes the percentages of sea ice within data cells and adds them up to report how much of the Arctic is covered by ice; area typically uses a threshold of 15%. So in the same example, with three 25 km x 25 km (16 miles x 16 miles) grid cells of 16% ice, 2% ice, and 90% ice, multiply the grid cell area by the percent of sea ice and add it up. You’d have a total area of 675 square km (261 square miles).
Phil,
I said nothing about air temperatures. The ice thickness data is consistent with the temperature/depth data. Ice temperatures are colder than last year. There is no indication that the buoy is misbehaving. Ice is growing in all three dimensions must faster than last year.
Stop the FUD. You are just generating needless CO2 and other noxious greenhouse gases.
Steven Goddard (11:40:00) :
Phil,
I said nothing about air temperatures. The ice thickness data is consistent with the temperature/depth data. Ice temperatures are colder than last year. There is no indication that the buoy is misbehaving. Ice is growing in all three dimensions must faster than last year.
Indeed, I misread your remark on temperature, however the ice temperature shown at that site is significantly colder than its near neighbours which only adds to the suspicions about that buoy. Contrary to your assertion there is reason to believe that that buoy is misbehaving.
I take it that Anthony will take the usual counter-measures against your abusive remarks?
There is nearly no chance of it going asymptotic to the mean value. It will shoot past it, unless something really weird happens.
I’m referring to area, not extent. Although, once the area fills in, extent will want to increase in areas outside the immediate Arctic Basin.
Apologies Phil, I meant spring as September and forgot to turn the seasons ‘right way up’ from my Aussie version, and should have said 1 million square k increase since Autumn
One way of looking at Ice extent is to look at when we got to this area of ice in recent years. In 2006 it look till the end November and in 2007 the 20th November to reach the current 2008( 1st November) area.
Does this means that the 2008 one year ice will have a longer period to thicken and will therefore take longer to melt in summer 2009 I wonder?
Whatever Extent is meant to be, take out the magnifier and align with binoculars to see but a fingernail thickness of difference these last few days, BUT 2007, and only data from 2002-2008. Visit NSIDC NOAA to see how the state is comparing to 1979-2000 and how far away from the mean.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Depends on the “weather” in the coming months and what heat comes up from below. Salinity was up puting the average freezing point of sea water at -1.77C
It now looks like as of November 5th that the Antarctica positive ice anomaly offsets the Arctic negative anomaly so that total world ice should be back to the 1979-2000 mean — which I think an honest appraisal would say has an upwardly biased mean.
I have found this article about thicker than normal ice thickness on lakes and rivers in Fairbanks Alaska:
http://newsminer.com/news/2008/nov/06/colder-october-temperatures-generate-thicker-ice-r/
I know it’s just a local message.
They had their 4th coldest October since 1904 collecting 600 degree Celcius freezing days (normal 290).
Ice thickness 12 to 15 inch
I have been looking at the color coding regarding ice concentrations on Cryosphere Today and it appears to me that the Arctic is filling up with ice that is quite a bit thicker than has been the case for a few years. Or am I misinterpreting the data?
Pamela, I think Cryosphere gives density, as in 100% ice, no open water, or 80% ice, 20% open water. Thickness is not given in the color graphic.
Man can NOT change the weather ONLY GOD can!! This Global warming is a bunch of crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the AMSR-E Sea Ice Extent graphic on the sidebar of the main page, there is a “blip” that occurs every June. What is it?
I know that this is likely to be buried, but with no more recent ice topics … Does anyone know what is going on over at NSIDC? They not only show that the “ice extent” has stopped growing, but they show such things as the Kara Sea being largely ice free (< 15%). This is in complete contradiction, both to what one would expect for this season and regional images such as at Cryosphere Today. It’s also in apparent contradiction with the Nansen Sea Ice graphs (although they haven’t been updated in a few days). Has NSDIC gotten stuck?
Interesting that after I posted here, the 11/13 daily ice image changed. The daily graph on the right still looks the same though.
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I’ve been checking back in on this graphical representation of data since I first came across this post. This morning, the message below instead of graphs.
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You don’t have permission to access /vhost/arctic-roos.org/doc/observations/images/ssmi1_ice_area.png on this server.
Looks like the WUWT auto-update runs into the same roadblock. Hopefully a temporary circumstance?
Narwhal open season as ice closes so fast they are trapped:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081127.wnarwhal27/BNStory/National/home