New Paper from Roy Spencer: PDO and Clouds

Global Warming as a Natural Response to Cloud Changes Associated with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO)

Reposted here from weatherquestions.com

UPDATED – 10/20/08 See discussion section 4

by Roy W. Spencer

(what follows is a simplified version of a paper I am preparing to submit GRL for publication, hopefully by the end of October 2008)

A simple climate model forced by satellite-observed changes in the Earth’s radiative budget associated with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is shown to mimic the major features of global average temperature change during the 20th Century – including two-thirds of the warming trend. A mostly-natural source of global warming is also consistent with mounting observational evidence that the climate system is much less sensitive to carbon dioxide emissions than the IPCC’s climate models simulate.

1. Introduction

For those who have followed my writings and publications in the last 18 months (e.g. Spencer et al., 2007), you know that we are finding satellite evidence that the climate system could be much less sensitive to greenhouse gas emissions than the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) climate models suggest.

To show that we are not the only researchers who have documented evidence contradicting the IPCC models, I made the following figure to contrast the IPCC-projected warming from a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide with the warming that would result if the climate sensitivity is as low as implied by various kinds of observational evidence. The dashed line represents our recent apples-to-apples comparison between satellite-based feedback estimates and IPCC model-diagnosed feedbacks, all computed from 5-year periods (Spencer and Braswell, 2008a):

Fig. 1. Projected warming (assumed here to occur by 2100) from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 from the IPCC versus from various observational indicators. (click for larger image)

The discrepancy between the models and observations seen in Fig. 1 is stark. If the sensitivity of the climate system is as low as some of these observational results suggest, then the IPCC models are grossly in error, and we have little to fear from manmade global warming.

But an insensitive climate system would ALSO mean that the warming we have seen in the last 100 years can not be explained by increasing CO2 alone. This is because the radiative forcing from the extra CO2 would simply be too weak to cause the ~0.7 deg. C warming between 1900 and 2000… there must be some natural warming process going on as well.

Here I present new evidence that most of the warming could actually be the result of a natural cycle in cloud cover forced by a well-known mode of natural climate variability: the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

2. A Simple Model of Natural Global Warming

As Joe D’Aleo and others have pointed out for years, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has experienced phase shifts that coincided with the major periods of warming and cooling in the 20th Century. As can be seen in the following figure, the pre-1940 warming coincided with the positive phase of the PDO; then, a slight cooling until the late 1970s coincided with a negative phase of the PDO; and finally, the warming since the 1970s has once again coincided with the positive phase of the PDO.

Fig. 2. Variations in (a) global-average surface temperature, and (b) the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) index during 1900-2000. (click for larger image)

Others have noted that the warming in the 1920s and 1930s led to media reports of decreasing sea ice cover, Arctic and Greenland temperatures just as warm as today, and the opening up of the Northwest Passage in 1939 and 1940.

Since this timing between the phase of the PDO and periods of warming and associated climate change seems like more than mere coincidence, I asked the rather obvious question: What if this known mode of natural climate variability (the PDO) caused a small fluctuation in global-average cloud cover?

Such a cloud change would cause the climate system to go through natural fluctuations in average temperature for extended periods of time. The IPCC simply assumes that this kind of natural cloud variability does not exist, and that the Earth stays in a perpetual state of radiative balance that has only been recently disrupted by mankind’s greenhouse gas emissions. (This is an assumption that many of us meteorologists find simplistic and dubious, at best.)

I used a very simple energy balance climate model, previously suggested to us by Isaac Held and Piers Forster, to investigate this possibility. In this model I ran many thousands of combinations of assumed: (1) ocean depth (through which heat is mixed on multi-decadal to centennial time scales), (2) climate sensitivity, and (3) cloud cover variations directly proportional to the PDO index values.

In effect, I asked the model to show me what combinations of those model parameters yielded a temperature history approximately like that seen during 1900-2000. And here’s an average of all of the simulations that came close to the observed temperature record:

Fig. 3. A simple energy balance model driven by cloud changes associated with the PDO can explain most of the major features of global-average temperature fluctuations during the 20th Century. The best model fits had assumed ocean mixing depths around 800 meters, and feedback parameters of around 3 Watts per square meter per degree C. (click for larger image)

The “PDO-only” (dashed) curve indeed mimics the main features of the behavior of global mean temperatures during the 20th Century — including two-thirds of the warming trend. If I include transient CO2 forcing with the PDO-forced cloud changes (solid line labeled PDO+CO2), then the fit to observed temperatures is even closer.

It is important to point out that, in this exercise, the PDO itself is not an index of temperature; it is an index of radiative forcing which drives the time rate of change of temperature.

Now, the average PDO forcing that was required by the model for the two curves in Fig. 3 ranged from 1.7 to 2.0 Watts per square meter per PDO index value. In other words, for each unit of the PDO index, 1.7 to 2.0 Watts per square meter of extra heating was required during the positive phase of the PDO, that much cooling during the negative phase of the PDO.

But what evidence do we have that any such cloud-induced changes in the Earth’s radiative budget are actually associated with the PDO? I address that question in the next section.

3. Satellite Evidence for Radiative Budget Changes Forced by the Pacific Decadal Oscillation

To see whether there is any observational evidence that the PDO has associated changes in global-average cloudiness, I used NASA Terra satellite measurements of reflected solar (shortwave, SW) and emitted infrared (longwave, LW) radiative fluxes over the global oceans from the CERES instrument during 2000-2005, and compared them to recent variations in the PDO index. The results can be seen in the following figure:

Fig. 4. Three-month running averages of (a) the PDO index during 2000-2005, and (b) corresponding CERES-measured anomalies in the global ocean average radiative budget, with and without the feedback component removed (see Fig. 5). The smooth curves are 2nd order polynomial fits to the data. (click for larger image)

But before a comparison to the PDO can be made, one must recognize that the total radiative flux measured by CERES is a combination of forcing AND feedback (e.g. Gregory et al., 2002; Forster and Gregory, 2006). So, we first must estimate and remove the feedback component to extract any potential radiative forcing associated with the PDO.

As Spencer and Braswell (2008b) have shown with a simple model, the radiative feedback signature in globally-averaged radiative flux versus temperature data is always highly correlated, while the time-varying radiative forcing signature of internal climate fluctuations is uncorrelated because the forcing and temperature response are always 90 degrees out of phase.

The following figure shows the “feedback stripes” associated with intraseasonal fluctuations in the climate system, and the corresponding feedback estimate (8.3 Watts per square meter per degree C) that I removed from the data to get the “forcing-only” curve in Fig. 4b.

Fig. 5. Three-month running averages of global oceanic radiative flux changes versus tropospheric temperature changes (from AMSU channel 5, see Christy et al., 2003), used to estimate the feedback component of the radiative fluxes so it could be removed to get the forcing (see Fig. 4b). (click for larger image)

(Note that this feedback estimate is not claimed to represent long-term climate sensitivity; it is instead the feedback occurring on intraseasonal and interannual time scales which is mixed in with an unknown amount of internally-generated radiative forcing, probably due to clouds.)

When the feedback is removed, we see a good match in Fig. 4 between the low-frequency behavior of the PDO and the radiative forcing (which is presumably due to clouds). Second-order polynomials were fit to the time series in Fig. 4 and compared to each other to arrive at the PDO-scaling factor of 1.9 Watts per square meter per PDO index value.

It is significant that the observed scale factor (1.9) that converts the PDO index into units of heating or cooling is just what the model required (1.7 to 2.0) to best explain the temperature behavior during the 20th Century. Thus, these recent satellite measurements – even though they span less than 6 years — support the Pacific Decadal Oscillation as a potential major player in global warming and climate change.

4. Discussion

The evidence continues to mount that the IPCC models are too sensitive, and therefore produce too much global warming. If climate sensitivity is indeed considerably less than the IPCC claims it to be, then increasing CO2 alone can not explain recent global warming. The evidence presented here suggests that most of that warming might well have been caused by cloud changes associated with a natural mode of climate variability: the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

The IPCC has simply assumed that mechanisms of climate change like that addressed here do not exist. But that assumption is quite arbitrary and, as shown here, very likely wrong. My use of only PDO-forced variations in the Earth’s radiative energy budget to explain two-thirds of the global warming trend is no less biased than the IPCC’s use of carbon dioxide to explain global warming without accounting for natural climate variability. If any IPCC scientists would like to dispute that claim, please e-mail me at roy.spencer (at) nsstc.uah.edu.

If the PDO has recently entered into a new, negative phase, then we can expect that global average temperatures, which haven’t risen for at least seven years now, could actually start to fall in the coming years. The recovery of Arctic sea ice now underway might be an early sign that this is indeed happening.

I am posting this information in advance of publication because of its potential importance to pending EPA regulations or congressional legislation which assume that carbon dioxide is a major driver of climate change. Since the mainstream news media now refuse to report on peer-reviewed scientific articles which contradict the views of the IPCC, Al Gore, and James Hansen, I am forced to bypass them entirely.

We need to consider the very real possibility that carbon dioxide – which is necessary for life on Earth and of which there is precious little in the atmosphere – might well be like the innocent bystander who has been unjustly accused of a crime based upon little more than circumstantial evidence.

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Christy, J. R., R. W. Spencer, W. B. Norris, W. D. Braswell, and D. E. Parker (2003),

Error estimates of version 5.0 of MSU/AMSU bulk atmospheric temperatures, J.

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Douglass, D.H., and R. S. Knox, 2005. Climate forcing by volcanic eruption of Mount

Pinatubo. Geophys. Res. Lett., 32, doi:10.1029/2004GL022119.

Forster, P. M., and J. M. Gregory (2006), The climate sensitivity and its components

diagnosed from Earth Radiation Budget data, J. Climate, 19, 39-52.

Gregory, J.M., R.J. Stouffer, S.C.B. Raper, P.A. Stott, and N.A. Rayner (2002), An

observationally based estimate of the climate sensitivity, J. Climate, 15, 3117-3121.

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system less sensitive than in models, Geophys. Res. Lett., submitted.

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A simple model demonstration, J. Climate, November 1.

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Flanagan
October 20, 2008 9:22 am

Well, wel,l well…
First Rob, I suppose you will also say that satelite-based measurements are not reliable because of the location of thermometers, right? If the author assumes Hadcrut to be reliable for fitting its model, then you cannot say that it is unreliable when it doesn’t serve your cause. Here, we start with the idea that HadCrut is a correct indicator.
For the rest of you, this study does not only show that CO2-based feedbacks play a role in the global temperature, but also that this role has an increasing importance. For some reason, the role of CO2 is most important since the 70s, but don’t ask me why. Maybe the feedbacks begin to become important only after some CO2 level is reached – I’m not a specialist.

Bobby Lane
October 20, 2008 9:27 am

Evan,
I think you and I (and probably others too) share the same expected conclusions: that variable solar inputs plus oceanic oscillations plus cloud variability explains the great majority of the temperature changes we have seen over the last century (referencing Dr. Spencer’s timeline). A small slice could be given to CO2-forced warming too – something I myself have never doubted, but like Dr. Spencer I don’t think it is anywhere near as potent as the IPCC makes it in their models.
Does HadCRUT use the same ground stations that GISS does? And is he choosing that, do you think, because RSS and UAH are satellite-derived and have not existed but for 30 years or so; that is, too short to provide any data for a 100 year time-scale?
I also thought that figure 3 that he provided was very, very telling. Considering that the split between PDO and PDO+CO2 seems to start in the early to mid 1960s, and considering that the Earth’s climate-regulating systems appear to operate on decadal time scales at minimum, we should perhaps give some thought to whether we are presently experiencing the effects CO2 emitted during decades gone-by. CO2 does persist in the atmosphere, so that I suppose it is possible it might take anywhere between a decade to forty years if we made even the steepest cuts in emissions that the IPCC/Kyoto I & II (representing the AGW movement) might recommend. Meaning by that, not only would we make a very tiny dent in whatever the temperatures are doing, but that dent would not be felt for decades possibly. I say this because I think part of the implicit message of the AGW movement is that if we stop emissions now we’ll have a better future, oh say, in five years. That is something people’s imaginations can get a grasp on, not 20-40 years.
As an aside, this whole debate confirms what I have concluded over the past several years of thinking on this creature we call man. If you capture his imagination (without totally ignoring his reason, though this is not necessarily vital) then you have captured the animal in its entirety and will have him at your mercy. It’s almost a form of hypnosis considered like that. That line of thinking has all kinds of applications, mainly social and commercial though, but even in that well illustrates, I think, the true nature of this debate. As I at least have said, this is not about science, but about politics and money – and, combining those two, about power. The power to shape the world of men in the way that you think it should be – the intentions may be good, but the means and effects are corrupting. Anyway, enough philosophizing on my part.

evanjones
Editor
October 20, 2008 9:28 am

Leif: Thanks for the info.

Roy Spencer
October 20, 2008 9:30 am

ChrisH:
When you change cloud cover, you change the rate of heat input into the ocean….it takes time for the temperature to respond. The longer the period of time, the greater the depth of water involved due to vertical mixing. But this does not, as you say, last “forever” because feedback is operating; the temperature rises until negative feedback causes enough extra heat loss to balance the heat gain.
It is no different from a pot of water on the stove set on “low” and in equilibrium (temperaure no longer rising)…if you increase the heat input slightly from the stove, the temperature rises until a new equilibrium is reached (energy gain = energy loss).

October 20, 2008 9:32 am

JamesG (05:27:55) :
3. You need to look longer term. Just compare that sunspot/tsi trend from the start of the century compared to the temperature trend. It’s so obvious
Not at all obvious. There is growing acceptance of the notion that TSI has not increased during the 20th century [apart from the strictly cyclical change that mirrors the sunspot number]. TSI, sunspot numbers, solar magnetic field, etc are all down to levels of a century ago.

Bobby Lane
October 20, 2008 9:35 am

Let me add in also my own humble thanks to Dr. Spencer and all of his hard work that will remain unpublished on this blog (but hopefully not in journals, etc.), and also for taking the time to explain it to us non-scientists in a manner that is accessible and reader-friendly. However the battle goes over climate change, we should be most grateful, Dr. Spencer, for your courage and fortitude in asking the tough questions and trying to find the truth of the matter. Thank you again.

October 20, 2008 9:39 am

Raven (09:20:12) :
How does your work on TSI affect the prevailing theory that the holoscene optimum temperatures were higher than today because of orbital variations? Are the orbital variations large enough to explain the temperatures with direct TSI effects?
There are two thing you have keep separate:
1) Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) as a measure of what the Sun puts out [which has nothing to do with orbital changes], and
2) Solar Insolation (SI – perhaps) as a measure of what the Earth receives [varies regionally] which is very dependent on orbital changes.
The latter varies a lot and is likely the cause of glaciations and interglacials. The former varies very little and therefore has likely no significant effect on climate.

asdf
October 20, 2008 9:53 am

National Post article about global cooling:
http://tinyurl.com/6x6k2j
REPLY: What? TCO (aka ASDF) posts with no cussing? No calling me stupid like you do regularly elsewhere? Shocker! But thanks for the link anyway. – Anthony

Gorthaur
October 20, 2008 10:23 am

Scientific fact means nothing
public opinion is everything
public opinion elects, pressures and leads
without a shift in public opinion
The media, the politicians and the funding
Will always be on the side of AGW empire
Not hopeful anything can be done
unless we fight fire with fire
but you have to believe
you have to fight
sacrifice everything for the truth
Civilization hangs in the balance
REPLY:
“you have to fight
sacrifice everything for the truth”
True perhaps, but ya know what buddy? This really chaps my hide. Why? While it may be true, I really, really, resent lecturing and calls to action by people that are too cowardly to put their name behind their words.
If you want to do something useful, stop hiding behind web identities. Write a letter to the editor, write your elected representatives, but don’t post anonymous calls to action. Otherwise your voice is useless. – Anthony Watts

Ed MacAulay
October 20, 2008 10:41 am

The MSM is starting to get onside. I especially appreciate the temperature graph from Huntsville. The media so often reports up to 1999 or 2000 and ignores the last few years.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/20/lorne-gunter-thirty-years-of-warmer-temperatures-go-poof.aspx

October 20, 2008 10:44 am

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Marcus
October 20, 2008 11:06 am

I find the use of 2nd order polynomial fits for comparing the Forcing-only and PDO trends to be be a little dubious.
The 2nd order polynomial effectively takes “future” data into account – look at the 2001 to 2002 drop in the “Forcing only” plot, that has no equivalent rise in the PDO plot _except_ in the polynomial fit which is looking ahead to the 2003 rise in the PDO. And since the claim is that the PDO changes forcing, not the other way around, this is a problem.
A smoothing function of some sort would be much more convincing than a polynomial fit. Or a more sophisticated statistical comparison.

Rob
October 20, 2008 11:07 am

Roy says
The “PDO-only” (dashed) curve indeed mimics the main features of the behavior of global mean temperatures during the 20th Century — including two-thirds of the warming trend.
I would suggest that the remaining third is totally down to UHI.

Chris H
October 20, 2008 11:09 am

Roy Spencer (09:30:21)
Many thanks for your reply (to 02:59:12), although I have to profess that I still find it hard to physically understand your explanation:
1. Assuming reduced cloud cover causes temperatures to rise for some time (and vice versa), before equilibrium is reached, then it must take at least several decades (if not 50-100 years!) to reach equilibrium – otherwise we would not see a roughly straight-line increase in temperature for two decades during positive PDO periods. This seems a very long time to reach equilibrium, particularly for a system that reacts almost instantly to PDO…
2. Temperatures hardly dropped during the negative PDO period (1945 to 1975), in comparison to the rises seen during positive PDO periods. This seems to imply that it takes much longer for heat to be lost from the system (perhaps 1000 years?!?), before it reaches equilibrium. What mechanism could explain this?
(Alternatively, perhaps there is some other cause of warming that did not halt after 1945, and thus when combined with the negative PDO caused almost flat temperatures? I find this far more plausible… In this case, PDO has a smaller effect, and possibly even none in the long term (say over 30 years).)

SteveSadlov
October 20, 2008 11:23 am

I have long been betting that 33% of the observed 20th century temp rise was due to human factors – GHGs, albedo mods, UHI, etc. I am putting more chips on the table now.

Roy Spencer
October 20, 2008 11:26 am

ChrisH:
Look at Fig. 3 in my paper…to the extent that the model temperature matches the observed temperature, exactly what I have said is happening in the model (with an 800 m deep mixed layer for the heating and cooling to affect, and a climate sensitivity of about 1.2 deg. C).
Now, it IS true that a more realistic model might give a better fit. For instance, as you implied, there is a tendency for the the surface waters to warm faster than the deeper layers, and this kind of vertical heat diffusion is not in the simple model (it spreads the heating uniformly over the whole 800 m). That would be the first model improvement I would make.
Also, the PDO isn’t necessarily the whole story, as others here have pointed out.
All I am trying to illustrate is how easy it is to explain global temperatures, including most of the warming, with a physical model — but without spending hundreds of millions of dollars and without using the world’s fastest supercomputers. I’m reminded of Occam’s Razor.

Denis Hopkins
October 20, 2008 11:33 am

Slightly OT
This report made a big spread in the Daily Telegraph in England this morning.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/3226747/Climate-change-is-faster-and-more-extreme-than-feared.html
There have been many comments on the online site about the pictures and the ice areas and the choice of years.
Please if you can inundate the paper with similar comments to show that people do take notice of these distortions, even if the politicians do not.
A comment on the online versiaon and a letter to the letters page: dtletters@telegraph.co.uk would help!

Denis Hopkins
October 20, 2008 11:35 am

Slightly OT
This report made a big spread in the Daily Telegraph in England this morning.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/3226747/Climate-change-is-faster-and-more-extreme-than-feared.html
There have been many comments on the online site about the pictures and the ice areas and the choice of years.
Please if you can inundate the paper with similar comments to show that people do take notice of these distortions, even if the politicians do not.
A comment on the online version and an email letter to the letters page: dtletters@telegraph.co.uk would help!

Ellie In Belfast
October 20, 2008 12:17 pm

Guys (and Tim Clark (08:21:16) in particular),
I’m not a climate/weather expert, I just got interested as a result of this blog(Great site Anthony!). I am a scientist – completely unrelated field – and just felt I was on to something that I wanted to bring to everyone’s attention.
I’ll only ever be dabbling in this – so anyone having a serious look at this data isn’t going to tread on my toes in the least. in fact I’d be flattered if I’ve set you thinking.

October 20, 2008 12:19 pm

JamesG: Regarding your ENSO/Earth rotation comment and link, the linked NASA story states that El Ninos can effect the rotation of the Earth, not the opposite. Note also that the press department added the bit about human-induced changes and that it isn’t reinforced by the rest of the article.

DaveE
October 20, 2008 12:20 pm

Leif: I have to bow to your superior knowledge regarding things like TSI.
Is there however any explanation for the apparent correlation between Solar cycles & climate?
I accept correlation is not causation.
Dave.

Gary Plyler
October 20, 2008 12:38 pm

Please keep in mind that natural multidecadal phenomena like the PDO, and shorter tem phenomena like el-Nino and la-Nina, are not sources or sinks of heat (thermal energy). Primarily they are heat transfer mechanisms. At least, untill now that is what I thought.
Now it appears that they provide an additional means of affecting global temperature through low level (and therefore cooling) cloud cover over the oceans. I believe that this, on top of the Svensmark et al hypothesis of solar – galactic cosmic ray – cloud, may be the final major mechanisms governing average global temperature.
Take THAT, IPCC!!

Richard
October 20, 2008 12:41 pm

I watched a movie recently called man to man. It was set in the 19th century and the story was about a Pygmy couple taken from Africa to Britain for study. I mention it because it showed how the scientific process can be led by the crowed. The scientific method used was based on assumptions derived from the prejudices of the day. Rather than testing these assumptions which would have been of real value the assumptions were used as an engineer uses knowledge of forces to design a bridge.
Since CO2 driven climate change is beyond question all subsequent studies have to be based on this ‘fact’. These studies are then quoted to back up the original assumption. If someone could present to me a study which addresses how the increase in CO2 could lead to the massive temperature increases predicted then i might even believe it, but instead we get a daily dose of stories based on the original assumption. One would think that a study which would disprove the original assumption would disqualify all subsequent studies, but when the body of work is so large it does not just go away. There will never be a day when you will wake up and on the front of all the papers will be the headline ‘Global Warming is Dead’ it will fade away and then people will say ‘what ever happened to that global warming thing’.

October 20, 2008 12:52 pm

DaveE (12:20:11) :
Is there however any explanation for the apparent correlation between Solar cycles & climate?
The point is that no such correlation is apparent. The mantra of correlation is being chanted over and over again, in spite of the correlation simply not being there. A statistical overkill [because it is plain to the eye] showing no correlation is the [in some quarters, infamous] paper by Lockwood and Froehlich http://publishing.royalsociety.org/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdf
The notion that in the past, solar activity had significant influence [e.g. Maunder minimum -> LIA] is based on uncertain [and likely wrong – and in any case abandoned by their original authors, from Jack Eddy to Judith Lean] and obsolete reconstructions of TSI.
Of course, the lack of correlation in modern times [since 1980 when we have good (?) data] is often [probably mistakenly] seen as support of AGW.
The Sun may have some influence, but the simple fact that it is still an item under debate shows that whatever influence there may be cannot be significant or primary.

evanjones
Editor
October 20, 2008 1:13 pm

My word, Leif! Do I detect a slightly greater note of skepticism on your behalf?

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