Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant

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In my opinion, this is lunacy – Obama’s thinking is completely off the rails now. He cites a new energy plan in August, then cripples it from the start with this sort of thinking. – Anthony


From Bloomberg News: Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant

Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant (Update1)

By Jim Efstathiou Jr.  Last Updated: October 16, 2008 09:50 EDT

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — Barack Obama will classify carbon dioxide as a dangerous pollutant that can be regulated should he win the presidential election on Nov. 4, opening the way for new rules on greenhouse gas emissions.

The Democratic senator from Illinois will tell the Environmental Protection Agency that it may use the 1990 Clean Air Act to set emissions limits on power plants and manufacturers, his energy adviser, Jason Grumet, said in an interview. President George W. Bush declined to curb CO2 emissions under the law even after the Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the government may do so.

If elected, Obama would be the first president to group emissions blamed for global warming into a category of pollutants that includes lead and carbon monoxide. Obama’s rival in the presidential race, Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, has not said how he would treat CO2 under the act.

Obama “would initiate those rulemakings,” Grumet said in an Oct. 6 interview in Boston. “He’s not going to insert political judgments to interrupt the recommendations of the scientific efforts.”

Placing heat-trapping pollutants in the same category as ozone may lead to caps on power-plant emissions and force utilities to use the most expensive systems to curb pollution. The move may halt construction plans on as many as half of the 130 proposed new U.S. coal plants.

The president may take action on new rules immediately upon taking office, said David Bookbinder, chief climate counsel for the Sierra Club. Environment groups including the Sierra Club and Natural Resources Defense Council will issue a regulatory agenda for the next president that calls for limits on CO2 from industry.

`Hit Ground Running’

“This is what they should do to hit the ground running,” Bookbinder said in an Oct. 10 telephone interview.

Separately, Congress is debating legislation to create an emissions market to address global warming, a solution endorsed by both candidates and utilities such as American Electric Power Co., the biggest U.S. producer of electricity from coal. Congress failed to pass a global-warming bill in June and how long it may take lawmakers to agree on a plan isn’t known.

“We need federal legislation to deal with greenhouse-gas emissions,” said Vicki Arroyo, general counsel for the Pew Center on Global Climate Change in Arlington, Virginia. “In the meantime, there is this vacuum. People are eager to get started on this.”

An Obama victory would help clear the deadlock in talks on an international agreement to slow global warming, Rajendra Pachauri, head of a United Nation panel of climate-change scientists, said today in Berlin. Negotiators from almost 200 countries will meet in December in Poznan, Poland, to discuss ways to limit CO2.

`Back in the Game’

“The U.S. has to move quickly domestically so we can get back in the game internationally,” Grumet said. “We cannot have a meaningful impact in the international discussion until we develop a meaningful domestic consensus. So he’ll move quickly.”

Burning coal to generate electricity produces more than a third of energy-related carbon dioxide emissions and half the U.S. power supply, according to the Energy Department. Every hour, fossil-fuel combustion generates 3.5 million tons of emissions worldwide, helping create a warming effect that “already threatens our climate,” the Paris-based International Energy Agency said.

The EPA under Bush fought the notion that the Clean Air Act applies to CO2 all the way to the Supreme Court. The law has been used successfully to regulate six pollutants, including sulfur dioxide and ozone. Regulation under the act “could result in an unprecedented expansion of EPA authority,” EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson said in July. The law “is the wrong tool for the job.”

Proponents of regulation are hoping for better results under a new president. Obama adviser Grumet, executive director of the National Commission on Energy Policy, said if Congress hasn’t acted in 18 months, about the time it would take to draft rules, the president should.

EPA Authority

“The EPA is obligated to move forward in the absence of Congressional action,” Grumet said. “If there’s no action by Congress in those 18 months, I think any responsible president would want to have the regulatory approach.”

States where coal-fired plants may be affected include Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Texas, Montana, Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Georgia and Florida.

The alternative, a national cap-and-trade program created by Congress, offers industry more options, said Bruce Braine, a vice president at Columbus, Ohio-based American Electric. The world’s largest cap-and-trade plan for greenhouse gases opened in Europe in 2005.

Under a cap-and-trade program, polluters may keep less- efficient plants running if they offset those emissions with investments in projects that lower pollution, such as wind-energy turbines or systems that destroy methane gas from landfills.

McCain `Not a Fan’

“Those options may still allow me to build new efficient power plants that might not meet a higher standard,” Braine said in an Oct. 9 interview. “That might be a more cost-effective way to approach it.”

McCain hasn’t said how he would approach CO2 regulation under the Clean Air Act. McCain adviser and former Central Intelligence Agency director James Woolsey said Oct. 6 that new rules may conflict with Congressional efforts. Policy adviser Rebecca Jensen Tallent said in August that McCain prefers a bill debated by Congress rather than regulations “established through one agency where one secretary is getting to make a lot of decisions.”

“He is not as big of a fan of standards-based approaches,” Arroyo said. “The Supreme Court thinks it’s clear that there is greenhouse-gas authority under the Clean Air Act. To take that off the table probably wouldn’t be very wise.”

More Efficient Technologies

How new regulations would affect the proposed U.S. coal plants depends on how they are written, said Bill Fang, climate issue director for the Edison Electric Institute, a Washington-based lobbying group for utilities. About half of the proposed plants plan to use technologies that are 20 percent more efficient than conventional coal burners.

“Several states have denied the applicability of the Clean Air Act to coal permits,” Fang said in an Oct. 10 interview.

In June, a court in Georgia stopped construction of the 1,200- megawatt Longleaf power plant, a $2 billion project, because developer Dynegy Inc. failed to consider cleaner technology.

An appeals board within the EPA is considering a challenge from the Sierra Club to Deseret Power Electric Cooperative‘s air permit for its 110-megawatt Bonanza coal plant in Utah on grounds that it failed to require controls on CO2. One megawatt is enough to power about 800 typical U.S. homes.

“Industry has woken up to the fact that a new progressive administration could move quickly to make the United States a leader rather than a laggard,” said Bruce Nilles, director of the group’s national coal campaign.

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Imman
October 16, 2008 12:05 pm

Any astute follower of Christian prophecy understands and realizes what is happening to the world we live in. It’s only a matter of time before war and chaos is at our doorstep.
You global warming alarmists are being decieved. We are doomed, but it’s not because of 0.0385% CO2. The clock continues to tick despite the alarm sounding. Most people would rather snooze than wake up to the fact that the biblical seals are about to be broken.
Israeli strikes on Iran will be the breaking of the first seal.
Russias retalliation will be the breaking of the second seal.
World economies, partially fueled by middle eastern energy, will collapse. This will signal the breaking of the third seal.
God help us after that.

Daryl Ritchison
October 16, 2008 12:06 pm

It’s not called a tax, but CO2 legislation will be the hidden tax that many will never be able to afford. Let us hope common sense will eventually prevail.

David Gladstone
October 16, 2008 12:11 pm

John-X, Instead of worrying irrelevancies like suits, you should worry about lies and stupidity first. It’s bad enough that the democrats want to shove this completely unscientific climate change agenda down our throats and that republicans also seem to buy this silliness, at least Nader knows how this economic crisis got started and whom to blame.

October 16, 2008 12:13 pm

This could definitely cost Obama votes. I was planning to vote for him, but this is very bad news. Much as I dislike McCain, I may just have to vote for him now
You do know that McCain has already stated that Al Gore would play a large role in his administration concerning the environment. I’m afraid there is no escaping the omnipresent Goreacle.

David Gladstone
October 16, 2008 12:14 pm

Maybe it’s time for a 3rd party, I vote for Anthony for Climate czar! :]
REPLY: Having been an elected official once, I decline the job. – Anthony

Thomas Gough
October 16, 2008 12:16 pm

John -x Only trying to say that the CO2 we breath out was in the atmosphere before the plant took it in. i.e. it goes round and round.
Patrick Henry I accept that there are other factors that I had not considered.

David Gladstone
October 16, 2008 12:18 pm

Imman, What I know about Christian prophecy is that it’s undiluted BS, just like all the other religions’ prophecies. All prophecies were created after the facts in order to be correct. In other words, they are lies.

Mongo
October 16, 2008 12:23 pm

I’m convinced that the vast majority of voters either do not pay attention to what this candidate is actually saying, are unfamiliar with the issues, or foucs on just one issua to the detriment of all others. Or worse.
I’m not a big McCain fan, but I can’t in good conscience vote for Obama partly because of this lunacy.
And to top it all off- our energy apretite is not being met. What’s to replace it? Windmills? I would paste a Janus face if I could, and empahasize the tragic vice the comic.
This is scary as people seem to want to hand over control of the quality of their lives to …the government? yuck!

Jeff Alberts
October 16, 2008 12:24 pm

This could definitely cost Obama votes. I was planning to vote for him, but this is very bad news. Much as I dislike McCain, I may just have to vote for him now.

There’s another option, not voting for either of them.

M White
October 16, 2008 12:26 pm

PeteS (11:30:07)
Those power cuts maybe closer than people expect. Note the new pipeline from Norway has closed down for the winter
http://uk.reuters.com/article/allBreakingNews/idUKLA21238420080910?rpc=401&
If Northern Europe has an exceptionally cold winter then they’ll geet first grabs on the gas coming from Russia. If there is not enough gas getting through to the UK they’ll probably turn off the gas powered generating stations so that homes will not have their gas cut off.
A question for the Americans after you’ve elected your next president when will you be voting again to change the balance of power in Washington(Senate/Congress)

John-X
October 16, 2008 12:28 pm

David Gladstone (12:11:12) :
“…the democrats want to shove this completely unscientific climate change agenda down our throats and that republicans also seem to buy this silliness, at least Nader knows how this economic crisis got started and whom to blame.”
Wow, cool! So Nader rejects the whole CO2 = Climate Change stuff?
Ralph Nader, Denier. Who knew?

Bruce
October 16, 2008 12:32 pm

Bye Bye USA.
Up here in Canada we dodged the Federal Liberal Carbon Tax bullet. Next spring, in BC, we will have a chance to throw out the Provincial Liberal idiot Carbon Taxers.
I wonder what it will be like to have a 3rd world country as a neighbour?

Peter
October 16, 2008 12:34 pm

Thomas Gough: “May I suggest that the exhalation of CO2 is an irrelevance. It is only part of the ‘carbon cycle’. Plants take in CO2 (photosynthesis); we eat the plants (or the animals that ate the plants), and following digestion and respiration breath out the CO2. The CO2 is simply going round in a circle – it is not ‘new’ CO2.”
You appear to be feeding off the incredible assumption that, over all the centuries before 1900, natural CO2 sinks tracked natural CO2 sources to within a small fraction of one percent – which would have been necessary to maintain atmospheric CO2 levels within the assumed limits of a few tens of ppm.
CO2 from fossil fuels is actually a tiny part of the overall ‘carbon cycle’, in case you hadn’t realized.

Peter
October 16, 2008 12:39 pm

Daryl Ritchison: “It’s not called a tax, but CO2 legislation will be the hidden tax that many will never be able to afford.”
I fear that only a very tiny few will be able to afford it.
The costs could well run into six-figure amounts for every man, woman and child in the developed world.
If they let it be known what the cost could be, voters would stay away in droves.

Martin M
October 16, 2008 12:45 pm

M White (12:26:36) :

Every two years we vote for the entire House of Representatives and 1/3 the Senate. Scary to think how much damage can be done in two short years.

David Gladstone
October 16, 2008 12:45 pm

Seriously, Anthony, is there anyone qualified for such a post?

Imman
October 16, 2008 12:51 pm

David Gladstone,
“All prophecies were created after the facts in order to be correct.”
After the facts? How absurd! According to you, the ‘end of time’ prophecy has already happended. Perhaps you would like to correct your statement?
“What I know about Christian prophecy”
Judging by your comment, it appears that you don’t know much.

Thomas Gough
October 16, 2008 12:51 pm

Peter, I was saying nothing about past levels of CO2, nor about whatever fossil fuel use adds to the level. I was simply pointing out that the CO2 that we breath out was previously part of the make up of the atmosphere.

philw1776
October 16, 2008 12:56 pm

“Israeli strikes on Iran will be the breaking of the first seal.
Russias retalliation will be the breaking of the second seal.
World economies, partially fueled by middle eastern energy, will collapse. This will signal the breaking of the third seal.”
Save the seals! 🙂
Please, spare us the moonbattery in this science blog.

David
October 16, 2008 12:57 pm

I’m not worried. There’s a point where restricting CO2 emissions will lead to significantly higher energy costs or a disruption in the supply of energy. Probably both. We learned from the high gas prices this year that when that happens, voters get mad, and politicians will bend over backwards to make the voters happy. If not, then they won’t stay in office for very long.

John-X
October 16, 2008 12:58 pm

Aw dang it. I knew it was too good to be true.
“The Nader campaign believes it is time to break our addiction to fossil fuels.
“The evidence of global warming is mounting.
“We threaten the global environment with our continued use of fossil fuels.
“Not only is this an ecological threat, it is a tremendous economic threat, facing all of humanity.
“Global warming will bankrupt the re-insurance industry, spread infectious tropical diseases, cause massive ecological disruption, and increased severe and unpredictable weather all of which will significantly impact commerce, agriculture, and communities across America and throughout the world.
http://www.votenader.org/issues/environment/climate-change/

Robert Wood
October 16, 2008 1:04 pm

I trust the American people will laugh out loud at him. Canadians just voted no to a Green Carbon Tax, and the Liberal party is at a record low for running on it.

Ron de Haan
October 16, 2008 1:05 pm

About voting:
Voting for Nader is a bad idea.
Obama will still win.
The Republicans will not destroy the economy.
Therefore a vote for McCain is the most logical step.
Obama, President of the Socialist United States of America?
I don’t think so.
If the Canadians can do it, so can the Americans.

David Gladstone
October 16, 2008 1:06 pm

Rats! I just looked up Nader’s policy on climate! Yikes! He backs Greenpeace!
What a country! Nobody to vote for.

Ed Scott
October 16, 2008 1:08 pm

Anthony, the SCOTUS has classified CO2 as an “air pollutant” in their decision 2 April 2007. From that point on, atmospheric science devolved into atmospheric politics. Scientific facts are no longer of consequence. Governor Schwartzenegger has signed legislation classifying CO2 as a pollutant.
We are governed by the scientifically ignorant.
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
MASSACHUSETTS et al. v. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY et al.
certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit
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No. 05–1120. Argued November 29, 2006—Decided April 2, 2007
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05-1120.ZS.html

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