Dr. Michael Mann gives a lecture on his work at the University of Rhode Island.
People send me stuff, and for that I’m always grateful, and happy to oblige posting relevant comments and content for the wide distribution WUWT now enjoys. Gary Boden writes:
I video taped Mann’s lecture at the University of Rhode Island last month and finally was able to get it converted to digital format and uploaded to Photobucket. The quality isn’t great, but not so bad considering it was shot with a handheld mini-DV camcorder from the balcony.
Here are the links to the several parts (I had to split it up for size-constraints). The lecture is in parts A – E and there are two questions and answers. The very last item (Q and A part 2) is Mann being asked to respond to Steve McIntyre’s criticisms – and Mann’s comments about Steve.
Here is the event description from URI:
September 23 — Scientific Evidence of Global Climate Change — Michael E. Mann, director, Earth System Science Center at Penn State. Click here for more information. Please Note: change of venue from Chafee 271 to Edwards Auditorium.
While Dr. Mann certainly seems committed to his work, and his work is important to many, the lack of courtesy for even basic recognition to other professionals whom have also worked equally hard is troubling. You can watch the videos (at the links below) of his entire lecture, and judge the content for yourself.
Each of these videos will open in a new full sized window, you can then resize the window to your liking.
For further enlightenment, following are peer reviewed publications by the fossil-fuel funded (sic) amateur blogger who must not be named.
See: ClimateAudit.org
Hockey Stick Studies
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick, CORRECTIONS TO THE MANN et. al. (1998) PROXY DATA BASE AND NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC AVERAGE TEMPERATURE SERIES ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT VOLUME 14 á NUMBER 6 á 2003
http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/mcintyre.mckitrick.2003.pdf
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick,Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 32, L03710, doi:10.1029/2004GL021750, 2005
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick THE M&M CRITIQUE OF THE MBH98 NORTHERN HEMISPHERE CLIMATE INDEX: UPDATE AND IMPLICATIONS Energy & Environment • Vol. 16, No. 1, 2005
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick Presentation to the National Academy of Sciences Expert Panel, “Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Past 1,000-2,000 Years.” March 2, 2006, Washington DC
AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE ‘HOCKEY STICK’ GLOBAL CLIMATE RECONSTRUCTION Edward J. Wegman, George Mason University, David W. Scott, Rice University, and Yasmin H. Said, The Johns Hopkins University.
“In general, we found MBH98 and MBH99 to be somewhat obscure and incomplete and the criticisms of MM03/05a/05b to be valid and compelling. . . . We note that there is no evidence that Dr. Mann or any of the other authors in paleoclimatology studies have had significant interactions with mainstream statisticians.. . . Overall, our committee believes that Mann’s assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade of the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year of the millennium cannot be supported by his analysis.”
McIntyre is systematically sifting through Mann et al.’s 2008 publication for substance. e.g., see: The “Full” Network Steve McIntyre on October 6th, 2008
McIntyre also addresses Ammann e.g., Well, well. Look what the cat dragged in. Steve McIntyre on August 6th, 2008
I wish I could show the plot.
The total Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) – 107 Year Graph
http://www.forecast-chart.com/historical-dow-industrial.html
is highly correlated with the rise of temperature.
It is clear that temperature is driving the DOW, becaus the rise of the El Nino happens after 2000.
Seems to me we have a very good proxy for temperature here. Mann should take note and desert tree rings. Even the recent stasis is there, and the cold periods in the 40s and 70s.
🙂 🙂 ;).
Well Maybe the Dow drives the temperatures since the 1929 peak only appear in 1930 or so in the temperatures. [laughing out loud]
Did the audience believe this Mann.
“…as for the crooked pseudo-scientists who invented the hockey stick, supported it, and continue to parade it in the mendacious documents of theIPCC, no journalist would dare to ask any of them the questions that would expose their self-seeking corruption for what it is. These evil pseudo-scientists, through the falsity of their statistical manipulations, have already killed far more people through starvation than ‘global warming will ever kill. They should now be indicted and should stand trial alongside Radovan Karadzic for nothing less than high crimes against humanity: for, in their callous disregard for the fatal consequences of their corrupt falsification of science, they are no less guilty of genocide than he.”
The Right Honourable 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley. who is apparently keen not to be thought of as a ‘potty peer’.
Watching Michael Mann speak, it seems as though he would rather be anywhere else than having to justify some of his reasoning. When the questions get close to where he is Really uncomfortable, the stooge with the microphone offers cover. Did people pay to see/listen to this man Mann?
Waste of money/time/effort – even I with scant knowledge [NLAMN] could pick holes in Mr Mann’s replies.
They should have had one of those silent movie shepherds crooks to whisk him offstage!
In today’s news – Filament bulbs banned by the EU.
Or the alternative headline – Europe decides carbon more harmful than mercury.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/3174452/Traditional-lightbulbs-banned-by-EU.html
For further enlightenment, following are peer reviewed publications by the coal funded (sic) blogger who must not be named from his blog: ClimateAudit.org
Hockey Stick Studies
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick, CORRECTIONS TO THE MANN et. al. (1998) PROXY DATA BASE AND NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC AVERAGE TEMPERATURE SERIES ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT VOLUME 14 á NUMBER 6 á 2003
http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/mcintyre.mckitrick.2003.pdf
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick,Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 32, L03710, doi:10.1029/2004GL021750, 2005
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick THE M&M CRITIQUE OF THE MBH98 NORTHERN HEMISPHERE CLIMATE INDEX: UPDATE AND IMPLICATIONS Energy & Environment • Vol. 16, No. 1, 2005
Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick Presentation to the National Academy of Sciences Expert Panel, “Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Past 1,000-2,000 Years.” March 2, 2006, Washington DC
AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE ‘HOCKEY STICK’ GLOBAL CLIMATE RECONSTRUCTION Edward J. Wegman, George Mason University, David W. Scott, Rice University, and Yasmin H. Said, The Johns Hopkins University.
“In general, we found MBH98 and MBH99 to be somewhat obscure and incomplete and
the criticisms of MM03/05a/05b to be valid and compelling. . . . We note that there is no evidence that Dr. Mann or any of the other authors in paleoclimatology studies have had significant interactions with mainstream statisticians.. . . Overall, our committee believes that Mann’s assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade of the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year of the millennium cannot be supported by his analysis.”
McIntyre is systematically sifting through Mann et al.’s 2008 publication for substance. e.g., see: The “Full” Network Steve McIntyre on October 6th, 2008
Well, we all know who is going to be taking over when Hansen retires.
Al Gore, as the coming Climate Czar, will be sure to apppoint Mann as successor.
My question is: How are they going to manage hiding growing sea ice should cooling continue?
They’re gonna have to take Stalinist control over all weather and climate records. I can see it right now:
Warning – Annual Sea Ice Data!
Government Property!
Top Secret!!
Classified!!
No Trespassing!! Keep Out!
Authorized Personnel Only!
Violators face $100,000 fine and 15 years of prison.
Interstingly, people who show facts and data to dispute AGW are termed fringe bloggers and amateurs. That ought to scare anyone.
Clearly this is been taken over by radical fringe zealots.
I think it’s high time that leading skeptics step up the pressure by demanding that either these zealots appear in public debate, or they shut up.
Pierre (07:21:30) Pretty positively, Pierre, Palin prepares.
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Radical fringe zealots; (thanks Pierre) Having just noticed Mann, Schmidt, and Hanson are all balding could there be a correlation between, that, the recent solar maxima, plate tectonics, and the abuse of science?
Sudden climate change due to a hole in the polar ozone?
Pete. “High Cloud = -1.85C (but very uncertain)”
Good he have altered the previous position here, but still water vapor is by (in my opinion fraudulent) Mann is regarded as a positive feedback, which it’s not due to the results from Aqua.
John Phillip–that pretty accurately describes Mann and his Hockey Stick
Hey, leave Mississip outta this, Jef.
Robert E. Lee, his ownself, couldn’t sell that AGW stuff down here.
anna v
There’s also a correlation between sun spots and US unemployment
http://virakkraft.com/USemp.jpg
People tend to get very angry a couple of years after SN start increasing, arabs in particular.
Iran-Iraq war 1980, Gulf war 1990, 9/11 2001. Even the Yom Kippur war can be explained by the unexpected SN rise in 1972. There are two possiblities, people do not cope with a more active sun or they need high GCR to keep calm.
Hi Anthony
reference the EU banning incandescent bulbs from 2010 could you run this topic to discover whether others have found that the long life bulbs lose output after 3 or 4 months and have to be replaced to save eyestrain? We are on our third bulb this year, and guess what? – we replaced with a 100w incandescent! What a load of crap to save 30 million tons of plant food.
Re CFLs. The Australian government has a policy of restricting the sale of conventional light globes starting this year.
The first (and last) CFL I purchased fell out of the fitting about a day after I put it in. I had difficulty putting it in because it seemed to be a slightly different size bayonet to the usual sort that I have never had problems with.
Not wanting to expose myself and family to mercury, I priced the cost of LED lights to replace all the lights in my house. The cost of $AU60,000 doesn’t include the cost of modifying/replacing fittings.
Do we understand the full manufacturing and disposal processes/impacts of the new bulbs? Do they still have mercury? Are there other obscure materials that might have raw material and/or disposal environmental impacts? What about any impacts on human functioning like occurred with some people with the old fluorescents that flashed on/off at 60 cycles per second?
I’d love to see an objective life cycle cost and human and environmental impact analysis of incandescent vs. fluorescent vs. other high tech bulbs to understand the true impact.
I don’t necessarily think that the new bulbs aren’t better, but given recent history on other topics, I suspect that the magnitude of any benefit is greatly exaggerated. As a result, we will likely not be be making an optimal decision, because emotion, preconceived notions, and zealotrous interests will dominant are collective decision making. Humans are given the gift of reason and what do we do with it?
How do these people keep their jobs.
http://apaintersdiary.blogspot.com/
BTW. I think Mann said something to the effect that up to 2 degrees warming we could deal with but beyond that we’d be in trouble.
Here’s my conspiracy correlation theory of the day:
The Team already has a good estimate for the negative cloud feedback and they also have some preliminary estimates on Svensmarks cosmic ray cloud formation experiments. They have run the models with these negative feedbacks and the warming is about 1C with a doubling of CO2. They will then be ready the day before Svensmark announcing his findings to reveal their latest model runs.
They will also readjust the CO2 numbers by saying the Carbon cap & trade programs and voluntary citizen actions will reduce the expected CO2 doubling to perhaps only maxing out at the actual measured 1820 and 1940s CO2 level of about 440PPM. By then carbon cap and trade taxation will be in full swing so they will have met their objectives of throttling modern civilization and making money at the same time.
They’ll figure the cap and trade will last until the next major election cycles and they’ll be able to retire in comfort by then and possibly even be prepared to short any public cap and trade companies from their beech front retreats. Gore will retire from his UK carbon trading company but not before opening a US branch to take advantage of the carbon trading tax credits that the US Senate added to the Wall Street bailout bill. The company will then go public and the Team will all short the stock for a potential retirement bonanza.
Mann’s 2 degree # is just greasing the skids for the pre-Svensmark “Catastrophic Anthropogenic CO2 induced Global Warming is solved look at the latest models” press conference.
I think it was a different kind of belief…
That hasn’t been my experience with them. I’ve been using the same bulbs around my computer desk for over 2 years, no noticeable reduction in output that I can see. Maybe you’re buying off brands?
@Anna V.
WRT “Dow Jones Industrial” – Definently a proxy – the logic goes like this…
1. Rising use of fossil fuels (increasing CO2) leads to greater prosperity…
2. Increasing prosperity leads to DOW increasing…
3. DOW Increasing correlated with rising temps as measured by J Hansen.
4. Rising temps leads to catastrophic consequences (as avowed by J Hansen, Al Gore, et al)…
5. Need to get DOW lower to avoid consequences…
6. Reduce CO2 to reduce prosperity and reduce DOW…
Ahhh… Must attack the economy to avoid catastrophy. Now I get it.
All this because “Correlation = Causation”. (ps 2 + 2 = 5)
Given the company I’m keeping on this site…
I’m proud to be a fringe blogger and amateur!
Go Blogs and amateurs! The professionals have sold out!
I have been blocked by realclimate and Tamino from discussing my findings.
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/blocked-from-real-climate-and-tamino/
Real climate doesn’t surprise me but Tamino usually lets me post. I tried twice.
REPLY: You are going to have to try a lot harder to get blocked here, 😉 Anthony