“Catastrophic Shifts in Climate Feared if Change Occurs”
In case you missed it, this article in the New York Times illustrates what some scientists believe is a very serious issue, and they are speaking out on it. Here is a snapshot of the article:
You can read the entire article in PDF form at this link
There’s just one thing wrong with this article, besides that it is flat wrong. Oh I know, there will be those that insist it may come true. However, there’s one bit of context that is worth exploring.
The article, as seen above, was published February 20th, 1969
See the date stamp at the bottom of the PDF
On the flip side, here is an article from 1922 where the ice is actually melting fast:
Deja Vu all over again: climate worries of today also happened in the 20’s and 30’s
Hat tip to: John Goetz
I see a lot of comments saying that we didn’t have accurate temperature measurements until the satellites went up. My understanding is that the satellite data has also been adjusted to more closely match the surface measurements because of orbital drift, and ageing instruments. They are not as infallible as some here believe.
It was clear to me from the getgo that the article was an old one.
“How so?” you ask?
Simple: The rightmost column reflects the opinion of scientists that disagree.
The NYT long ago abandoned such practices.
“I think we are in total agreement. Except maybe we have a different idea about when the ‘age of climatology’ will begin .”
Very well put. It’s human nature to recognize people in the past as ignorant bumblers while not realizing that today we are still ignorant bumblers. The basic difference between warmists and skeptics is that skeptics are aware of their own ignorance.
Where is that today NYT?
What used to get Punched out now gets Pinched out.
It was clear to me from the getgo that the article was an old one.
I could tell right away from the map.
Evan Jones (16:36:21) :
It was clear to me from the getgo that the article was an old one.
“I could tell right away from the map.”
I spent as much time looking at the map as I did reading the article. I’m still not certain just what was hand lettered and what was commercial art. Very nice attention to details. I doubt a computer will ever be able to a map as nicely without a fair amount of help.
Yeah.
I have drawn so many maps in my time that I can do a coast of Norway in my sleep.
http://www.junkscience.com/apr05/coolingworld.pdf
Newsweek, April 28th, 1975.
We’re all gonna DIIIIEEEEEEE!!!
Oh no, sorry, that was last week.
Evan Jones: “I have drawn so many maps in my time that I can do a coast of Norway in my sleep.”
Slarty Bartfast 🙂
“The Alarmist’s narrative would have us believe that the Artic Circle had a constant, thick, and extensive cover of ice until the 1980s. The opposite is probably more true.”
The alarmists narrative is religious in tone (taken from Michael Crichton, but he is right on…)
1) The earth has an “ideal” state that through “sin” we humans have caused it to leave. In this case (somehow completely ignoring climate history) the ideal state was the temperature average from 1980 to 2000. (I believe ?)
2) That through redemption, (using “renewable”, paying “tithing” (carbon tax), etc) we can “save” the planet.
3) They also view, “tribal life” as more “noble”, than modern life. But anyone with common sense knows that MOST tribes are savage people.
The entire thing is insane, and it’s absolutely disgusting how the media and corporate america have latched onto the idea, that changing your light bulb or riding the bus, can “save the planet”. Honestly it makes me sick every time I see a green commercial… it’s just so over the top and ridiculous!!!
My god, the ignorance here is mindboggling. Re: this years is LESS melt than last: and did you not notice the sawtooth nature of the fall? Do you idiots REALLY think it’s linear? 2005 biggest drop ever; 2006 rebound. Ooooh! 2007 new biggest drop ever; 2008 possible rebound. Ooooh! You tools wouldn’t know science if it kicked you if it the balls.
And who ever told you ANY of this would be linear, or that it ever was? It wasn’t, isn’t, and will never be. So cherry pick your data sets, children, then go throw your spitballs at real scientists. You know the people responsible for your utter foolishness, Exxon and the BuCheney admin now both admit to AGW, right? You know Bush lives in an off-grid home, right? Why do you think that is?
Back to the ice: You dingbats look to EXTENT, but pay no attention to CONCENTRATION. Worse, you pay even less attention to THICKNESS. The total MASS of the ice has dropped 80%. That’s right, it’s not just extent and concentration, but thickness, and we’ve actually lost not some 40+% of the baseline (extent), but 80%. But, hey, there’s nothing going on here!
Idiots.
REPLY: I was going to delete this, but decided to leave it as a textbook example of the kind of rhetoric that I routinely get (and sometimes delete) from anonymous cowards that hide behind a psuedonym and claim moral and intellectual superiority. It always seems to be about anger and Bush with these folks doesn’t it?
My God, things change? How awful!
The only thing certain here is that no one knows anything for certain. I’m tired of the know-it-alls. We have some evidence of change and we’re entitled to analyze it and see what we can make of it. But we’re not entitled — contrary to Al Gore, the U.N., Dr. James Hansen, the New York Times or anyone else — to start telling the whole world what kind of a problem it faces or what to do about it. It’s prudent to evaluate risk and see what measures it may justify. But so far there’s nothing sufficiently conclusive to go ahead and do anything. This applies whether the future is cooling or warming.
There’s a point at which you have to take what comes at you and do the best you can. No matter what we do, humans are not likely to ever be able to control the climate of this planet. Right now we can’t even predict next week’s weather with any certainly. How do you expect me to believe we can predict the climate 50 years from now? The fraud by so many (article above as example) makes it even harder to take this stuff seriously.
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Sorry, Anthony, this one’s just too easy – and fun – to pass up:
ccpo:
Wrong question. The right question: Since Al Gore is such a profligate energy waster, then how is he not a traitor to the human race, and to the planet?
See Snopes here: click
ccpo has probably gone skulking off to its’ AGWer troll-cave. Funny, how they don’t even seem to realize that their hate-filled ignorant rants actually produce more skeptics. Thanks for allowing it in, Anthony. I know it must get tiresome seeing them, though.
yeah!i am hearing the same news that polar ice caps are melting since a long time.we are making it faster day by day with our developments.However, making people realise the fact may solve the problem and iappreciate your blog in doing that work.
Dear Sir,
Please could you kindly give me the date your news paper publish the below article.
Michael D. Eisner, Chairman of the Walt Disney Company said,” we’re dealing with an industry where an unspoken strategy is that the killer app is piracy, their quarter -to- quarter growth is definitely pushed forward by people wanting to get anything for free on their television or computer or hand-held device”
it for research purpose.
Regards
Reply: As noted in the post, the New York Times published the article February 20, 1969.
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