If Global Warming was a company decision, how would you vote?

http://www.toastmasters.org/OtherImages/BoardofDirectors.aspx

Lucia at Rank Exploits poses this thought:

“I always think it’s best to ask yourself: Do I really think a particular method of looking at data is meaningful? Would I still believe this if the answers turned out “wrong” from my POV? Or, will I eventually find myself explaining my own method gives uncertainty bounds that are “too small”, when my method suddenly gives “wrong” (in my eyes) answers?

So, in this regard, I need to ask Tilo: Why throw out GISS Temp”?

Thanks, Lucia, for taking a different look at this. It is true that one can make arguments for and against GISTEMP as a valid/not valid data set.

My view is that this is a lot like voting for a company wide policy change on a company board of directors.

Let’s say this issue was on a company board of directors decision to choose to make changes to policy related to employee comfort. Some employees complain that the work environment is too hot and they have been suffering a long term effect. The board decides to hire four consultants with the mandate: “tell us if we should expend the money to replace all of our a/c units company wide in all of our world locations. The cost will be huge, so we need to know before we make a policy change to do this.”

One of the consultants to members of the board who strongly advocates the policy change also has been lobbying company staff worldwide and other board members with the data he has collected and collated that shows that the trend is shifting in the direction that he advocates. As consultant, he is also the creator of one of the datasets used to evaluate the policy change.

Now when the time comes to make the decision, the board brings in all the data sets from consultants. They look at each one and see that the majority of them have no change in the last 11 years that supports the policy change to put in new a/c units. Yet the one consultant that has been pushing this policy change gives an impassioned speech that his data set tells a story that the others do not. Some of the board members who are skeptical of this person and his data that supports the policy change do some research of their own. They discover that the dataset created by the consultant who advocates the policy change has been adjusted at many data points, almost without exception in favor of the policy change. Some board members also learn of some math errors in the data, point out the math errors, and also some of the questionable ways individual data points have been adjusted. the consultant shrugs and retorts “you’re just a bunch of court jesters”.

Meanwhile, it has been discovered that one of the business friends of the consultant who has been lobbying board members and staff has a company that trades in air conditioner systems. That person has been traveling to all of the worldwide offices of the company and lobbying the employees to tell them that their work environment is indeed getting hotter, and that the data from his friend the consultant proves it beyond the shadow of a doubt. He tells them that his friend the consultant uses special techniques to find the “real” trend in the data and that the other datasets aren’t as valuable as this one. He urges the employees to form pacts and unions to lobby the corporate board to make a change. The employees do just that.

The board looks at the data, they listen to the impassioned pleas of the employees, and they also listen to the one consultant who calls them “court jesters”, and his friend the a/c salesman, who says “the time is now, you must act now’. But a few employees that are concerned that the expense the company may be about to undertake is unwarranted, they think the work environment is just fine, and the “solution” may hurt the company more than help it.

One of the employees finds that in the largest company facility, 78% of the temperature sensors in used to collect environmental data in that facility have been installed incorrectly, and shows that they are too close to equipment that produces waste heat. They also discover that two of the consultants use IR sensors to get the data, but that the other two consultants are using the direct measure environmental sensors, 78% percent of which in the largest company facility are installed incorrectly. These few employees that discover this also lobby the board by pointing out some of these issues with the datasets.

So it is time for the board to vote. The one consultant who has lobbied the board most heavily says “don’t worry about that 78% of the problematic environmental sensors in the biggest facility, I can adjust for that.”

But then one of the other skeptical board members says: “The employee that found this says “How can you adjust for these if you’ve never seen or visited them? How can you know they are all equally biased or not?”. And, isn’t it true that in some of the data you presented, there were no sensors present, and some of the data was interpolated by you, particularly at the far ends of the building?”

The consultant says: “I stand by my data and methods, and if you don’t do something soon, your facility may reach a tipping point where you can no longer keep it cool enough to work in, your company productivity will tank.”

One of the board members says, “Ok lets stop and look at this differently”. “What if we simply ignore the dataset from the consultant who calls us “court jesters” and has the buddy who’s the air conditioner salesman?. Look, now there’s no trend in the last 11 years”.

So 3 of 4 datasets, each presented by independent consultants are in front of them and show no change in the past 11 years. The one that does show a trend has been heavily lobbied and has been shown to have errors in measurement by environmental sensors and questionable data adjustment methods applied. Plus the consultant who prepared it has insulted those members who dared to question his data and methods, and he is the only one of the four consultants who has links to the air conditioner salesman, as it was discovered that the air conditioner salesman invited the consultant to speak at one of his employee rallies.

How do you think the board of directors will vote on this policy change?

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C. W. Coe (formerly MrCPhysics)
June 22, 2008 5:54 pm

Anthony,
Very nicely reasoned.
Although the title should be “If GW were a company decision, how would you vote?”
Subjunctive case, very frequently used incorrectly…

June 22, 2008 6:54 pm

I have prepared a discussion of the GISS urbanization corrections. NASA applies an urban correction of its GISS temperature index in the wrong direction in 45% of the adjustments. Instead of eliminating the urbanization effects, these wrong way corrections makes the urban warming trends steeper. This article discusses Steve McIntyre’s audit of the GISS corrections.
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/CorrectCorrections.pdf
The article can be found on the Friends of Science website at:
News and Events >> Most Recent Articles
or
Climate Science >> Urban Heat Island Effect

Evan Jones
Editor
June 22, 2008 8:50 pm

So far, no one has complained specifically about NOAA/NCDC.
Then let me be the first.
COMPLAIN! COMPLAIN!

sirsatire
June 22, 2008 9:55 pm

Global warming is bullshit. You know it’s part of a natural cycle. Quit trying to make a name for yourself by scaring other people.

Evan Jones
Editor
June 22, 2008 10:03 pm

NASA has been a national disappointment since around 1972. No wonder so many horses’ patoots think the moon landing was filmed in an Arizona sandlot: Judging by the present article, the misapprehension is almost excusable.
Unfortunately, we have one of the most incompetent Administrations in the history of the United States.
I must beg to disagree. The current administration has been hugely successful in many vitally important ways. (Including the devilishly clever way it managed to kick the can down the road regarding global warming.)
I think this is about the most underappreciated administration (with the possible exception of Ford’s) in the last two centuries. I think history will be far kinder to dubya than today’s funny papers.

Evan Jones
Editor
June 22, 2008 10:18 pm

Subjunctive case, very frequently used incorrectly…
Yes. Especially since it is used only when the fact is not in evidence. If the proposition is not true, one uses the subjunctive mood (“were”). But if it might possibly be true, the indicative is used (“was”).
In this case, since the decision is definitely not a corporate board decision, the subjunctive is used.
“If I were a rich man” (meaning I’m not) vs. “If he was guilty” (meaning he might be; he might not be).
If “were” had been* used (which it wasn’t), it would instead indicate he was definitely not guilty.
The subjunctive mood, in any tense, is not generally used much anymore. (Would that it were.)
* “Had been” being past subjunctive, as opposed to “were”, which is present subjunctive.
P.S., nobody cares!

June 22, 2008 10:33 pm

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Mike Bryant
June 23, 2008 5:09 am

Evan,
I care. Language is very important. There is probably a post in there somewhere. Maybe you should (or maybe could?) do a guest post that documents the deceitful use of language in the AGW circus.
Mike Bryant

MarkW
June 23, 2008 5:42 am

“Scientists may one day retrieve carbon dioxide that wold otherwise pollute the atmosphere, …”
I may be just an ignorant yokel, but I could of sworn we already had something to do this. I believe it was called photosynthesis?

June 23, 2008 10:20 am

Nice analogy, Anthony, but like Lucia, Diatribical (Joe) and others here, I’m not sure GISTEMP is as much of an outlier as you think. If you adjust for baselines, and look at the last 6 or so years (after the 1998 blip and recovery), there’s not much to choose between them:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/offset:-0.15/mean:12/plot/gistemp/from:2002/offset:-0.24/mean:12/plot/uah/from:2002/mean:12/plot/rss/from:2002/mean:12
OK, GISS has moved to the top of the range, but the change is only 0.05K – within the error range of the different series, and less than the mysterious (at least to me!) 18 month cycle we’ve seen in the past few years.
If you look at very recent history, then granted there’s more of a divergence between air (UAH/RSS) and land/sea (GISTEMP/HADCRUT3):
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/last:12/offset:-0.15/plot/gistemp/last:12/offset:-0.24/plot/uah/last:12/plot/rss/last:12
But if you look at how the series diverged around the 1998 El Nino and the bounce afterward, you can see that UAH/RSS is more sensitive to short-term blips, both positive and negative – maybe this is just a simple matter of thermal mass?
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1997/to:2000/offset:-0.15/plot/gistemp/from:1997/to:2000/offset:-0.24/plot/uah/from:1997/to:2000/plot/rss/from:1997/to:2000
I’d therefore guess that the current low UAH/RSS values are reflecting the current La Nina, in a mirror of 1998, and actually things are pretty stable (actually unusually stable…), as indicated by GISTEMP/HADCRUT3. The next year will tell.
So the question for the board is this: In fact all four of the consultants are pretty clear that the working temperature hasn’t changed much in the last ten years (after a rather wild blip due to the 1998 Christmas Party), although some of the older employees report a general slight drift upwards since the cool days of the 1960s.
The problem comes because one consultant in particular – the one with all the claimed ‘teleconnections’ with people with other agendas – claims that this is a just brief respite in an otherwise catastrophic rise, apparently made worse by a corresponding increase in humidity caused by the kettles in the canteen (the hotter people get, the more tea they make, apparently).
What the board should do is call for an urgent conclusive study of this positive feedback theory; beside this, everything else is really just workplace noise.

Forrest
June 23, 2008 11:43 am

First the question should be is this really a problem? Is a warmer office space a worse off office space. It is different to be sure, but is it worse? Well the only way to know is to go there. Currently Humans live in all weather extremes. And even if the temperature were to go up by 10 degress Celsius I cannot see any area being destroyed because of it. Shift happens, one day it rains the next it snows, then it is sunny and life goes on.
I guess I am tired of the doom and gloom, I have as of yet to see any real indication of problems occuring, this despite 20 years of alarmism. Some would say it is better to be safe then sorry, I have not met many of them who then convert to a Religion because of that same logic. Well if there is a God I guess I better be good. Better Safe then Sorry is a weak argument used when you cannot prove the evidence 100%.
Anyway sorry to rant I am fed up with Hansen, I am fed up with people who say I am ignorant despite all the time I have spent educating myself on the issue. I see no CO2 to temperature trend, other then a loose association. For that same system to hold true I can apply the same logic to the amount of Urban area that exist, or Farmland, how much do you want to bet I can show the same kind of trend with that as well. Oh well the amount of farmland has increased, so I guess it must be the cause of Global Warming, it is becuase all the plants are absorbing sunlight during the day and then resperating the heat out at night.
again I apologize, I am just so tired of it, I have as of yet to here a conclusive arguement other then appeals to authority. Well the IPCC… Then James Hansen says… Well the Consensus is…

Paul Penrose
June 23, 2008 12:50 pm

Personally I don’t think that we should throw out any of these datasets, but it is vitally important that we characterize the uncertainty of each one. Except for the satellites the land surface datasets were developed using instruments and methods that were not designed to measure such small temperature changes over such long timescales. If the maintainers of these datasets were to be brutally honest and propagated all the errors and uncertainties forward I suspect that the current warming trend might very will disappear inside the error bars.

Jared
June 23, 2008 12:50 pm

RE: Paul Clark
One problem with your theory: there was indeed more divergence in 1998, due to the El Nino we presume, but 2008’s Nina has brought much more divergence than the equally strong La Nina of 1999. So the data does not suggest necessarily that the recent land/satellite divergence is due mostly to La Nina.

Gary Gulrud
June 23, 2008 1:45 pm

I do not find the case for adjustment on the part of statisticians of the data worthy:
1. The adustments, as a commenter argued a few months back, are by definition themselves hypotheses.
2. The pattern established: of continued necessary correction to preceding adjustments is inexorable and insidious, and is so acknowledged, in scientific research generally. Such practice is treated as fraud regardless of intent.
3. As Mosher has pointed out, the ‘research’ (programming), carried out over decades by sequences of faceless grad students of uncertain training and discipline has resulted in an unmitigated abortion. At the same time, appeals for an effort by real professionals that might provide the appropriate documentation are impracticable, even ludicrous.
4. The theory of proper measurement of a ‘global temperature’ implemented therein is itself nowhere set down in any verifiable form. No validation of the implementation is therefore possible.
Close GISS and begin the reform of our Republic’s government!

June 23, 2008 2:00 pm

Jared: When was the 1999 La Nina? June 1999 has a very similar divergence (0.2K) to now (0.3K):
1999:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1999.2/to:2000/offset:-0.15/plot/gistemp/from:1999.2/to:2000/offset:-0.24/plot/uah/from:1999.2/to:2000/plot/rss/from:1999.2/to:2000
now:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/last:12/offset:-0.15/plot/gistemp/last:12/offset:-0.24/plot/uah/last:12/plot/rss/last:12
But I’m not sure this level of detail really matters. The key point is that all the sources show warming has basically stopped in the last decade (+/- some noise).

SteveSadlov
June 23, 2008 2:52 pm

Shareholders revolt, Ichan moves in for the kill, BOD and execs fired, company taken private, rebuilt than reissued via a new IPO.

Bobby Lane
June 23, 2008 6:32 pm

Isn’t it odd how James Hansen can advocate that our government try to sue energy companies for crimes against humanity and the environment via alleged disinformation, but that no group of pro-NCCers (natural climate change – versus AGW or ACC, anthropocentric global warming or climate change) has gotten together (with the data in hand) to sue Hansen and his ilk for like charges, and also perhaps slander and libel? Do we just sit and content ourselves with the facts that the data prove our POV and not theirs? Or do we do something about it that people will notice? If we’re talking about the average person on the street, then we need to create some drama to get their attention so they will listen to us. It seems like we keep expecting reasonable action from those whose actions (like James Hansen) illustrate that they are anything but and don’t plan on changing anytime soon. Do we do nothing?
PS – First heard of wattsupwiththat.com via EUReferendum.com (even though I live in the US). They link to you all the time, being themselves huge fans of your work. What happens in Europe eventually comes to America. Watch and learn. That is what history teaches us.

tim
June 24, 2008 9:20 am

i think the board needs to look at alternatives to air conditioners and listen to the workers.
the workers are hot, it doesn’t matter if they were just as hot 5years ago, 10years ago or 50 years ago.
maybe simple ventilation will fix their problem. if they are in a high wind location, they could put a wind turbine on top of the factories to pay for the additional costs of the electricity from the fans. when fans aren’t in use they could tie it back into the power grid and sell it back to the power people. or, if they are in a high sun area they could do the same with solar panels.
if this factory is a successful one, they should be able to see the value in the potential of free power. Google does. this company needs to think outside the box and not get stuck on proving the workers wrong.
REPLY: “free power” is a myth, it does not exist. There is a cost involved no matter what. I have solar, and put a 125 kw solar array ona local school, so I know from experience.

tim
June 24, 2008 5:11 pm

unfortunately, you missed the other point though. the workers are hot, you need to do something for the workers?
i only gave a suggestion, this is a worldwide company and should be able to pull it´s resources together and figure out what´s going on with the heating.
i don´t really like the analogy here. this is an isolated situation that only has implications on a finite number of people/workers/shareholders. whereas, trying to debunk climate change, while not doing anything about it (i´ll assume), is pretty risky behaviour.
if you are doing something about it, maybe you should post something. i doubt that would be very popular with your readers though. what do you think?

Adam
June 30, 2008 3:55 am

Hmm… I’ll vote for opening the window. Less electricity consumption & the fresh air will do the staff some good.