I wonder if Obama will create a new cabinet position for Gore? I’m sure he could find a staff, as you can now get a degree in Global Warming from the University of Mumbai.
Gore to Appear With Obama
Former Vice President Al Gore will endorse Barack Obama tonight in Detroit.
(Photo: Denis Balibouse/Reters)
FLINT, Mich. – Former Vice President Al Gore will appear in Detroit tonight for his debut campaign appearance with Senator Barack Obama, extending an endorsement and urging all Democrats to rally behind the party’s fall ticket.
“A few hours from now I will step on stage in Detroit, Michigan to announce my support for Senator Barack Obama,” Mr. Gore said in an e-mail sent to his supporters. “From now through Election Day, I intend to do whatever I can to make sure he is elected President of the United States.”
The whole article here
There is no chance that Gore will accept a position in government. If he wanted a government job he would have run for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination and won it by a landslide. The Goracle is going for the big bucks and any government job would force him to put his large business portfolio in a blind trust.
No way would Gore accept a cabinet spot, too much of a pay cut.
How does this sound?
Obama for prez
Hillary for VP
Al Gore for secretary of global warming.
Ah Jeeze!
I saw an advertisement recently touting a cure for awakeness. I think I may need it soon.
Just what Obama needs — another crazy preacher. Lol!
Give me a break
One’ rection is stuck halfway between “Oi” and “Oy”.
Kiss of death for Obama.
Rico, that’s hysterical! I can hear it already,
“God HEAT America! God HEAT America!
(notice how rearranging the word heat you get the word hate… and he certainly must with all his lies and popaganda)
One heartbeat away from one world government. Shudder, and not from the cold.
Upon reflection on the single issue of AGW this could be the best thing for skeptics. It would force McCain to reevaluate his superficial positions on AGW and would by necessity be forced away from the racial interventionist left.
Bob Barr for President!
You suppose Montana will secede before Election Day? Maybe I can move there.
I suspect that this will be the first and last time you’ll see Obama and Gore together.
Doesn’t England have a spot for a religous leader who at one time was almost as powerful as the King or Queen? Perhaps BIg Al can be the Archbishop of Canwetakeyourmoney.
Cool! Maybe now Obama can do what Gore refuses to do; explain how to correct for the temperature stations at Tahoe City, or Lewiston Maine, or Lampass TX, or Miami AZ, or… or… any of the 87% of bad stations in the “high quality” US network. I hope he doesn’t feed the public the same old line about how they are compared to surrounding stations; “yes folks, here we will adjust the record of this urban station in the middle of the concrete jungle to these stations in the country side… like this one next to the barbecue, or this one in the parking lot… or this one on the roof…”
Where’d that puking emoticon run off to?
I’ve no doubt that if HopeChange wins in November (looking increasing, and frightenly, likely) that the Goreacle will wind up as some sort climate advisor at a minimum. And if that happens, the cap’n tax bill will become but a fond memory of what could have been a preferable alternative.
I just really hope McCain makes a wise decision on his VP candidate. Any of Gov.’s Jindall, Rall, or Palin would be awesome. Choosing any of Messers Bloomberg, Romney, Huckabee, or Leiberman would leave me little choice other than to vote for Bob Barr.
May $diety have mercy on our $internalEssences
Al Gore is possibly the person most responsible for $4+ gasoline.
This was written to several large threads:
Here is another self-serving, very late endorsement that means less than nothing good for the Democrats. Despite the attempts of some, to deify the loser of what ultimately will have proven to be, the most important campaign in our time (2000, not 2008, of course!). Many democrats have always considered that he was a terrible candidate and that judgment has been borne out by events, Gore was unable to swing his home state and now he is a straw-man for a quasi-religious environmental movement that has little connection with scientific truth.
Anthropic Global Warming (AGW) poses a threat to our economy, future energy supplies and perhaps individual freedoms as well. My own support for Obama will not withstand Obama’s full throated support for Gore’s alarmist fictions; I think this should worry the candidate. I voted for him over Hillary, but this involves one of the crucial issues of our time and my vote will be guided by my instinct as to what is best for my country and not guided by a win at all costs democratic campaign that eschews the need to make good legislation based upon reality and not phantoms. The Democratic energy bill, thankfully shelved, was a complete joke and boondoggle, weighted down with earmarks, a disgrace. At the same time the media has done nothing to educate or inform their viewers about the true state of the energy/climate-change debate. Not once have any of you mentioned that Gore is not a scientist and has no such credentials. His Nobel prize is a black mark on that once august body. There is a raging wildfire of controversy over Gore’s so called AGW; an incredible number of scientists object to the whole ‘house of cards’, yet the networks act as if this issue is settled and that Gore’s assumptions and that of his anonymous AGW mentors, are correct; even a very brief survey of the net shows emphatically that this is patently false. I only wish there were enough people who support Obama who could educate him on the realities of these issues, however, I am feeling completely cynical at this point about the stupidity and credulity of the American people!
If Obama lets that man speak one word on his behalf, Obama will not get my vote. He is far more dangerous than any crazy preacher/priest/pastor/evangelical/minister/frier/or televangelist. I didn’t vote for Obama in Oregon’s primary. He has not won my vote yet. This could be the one that leaves me throwing a dart in the booth.
You suppose Montana will secede before Election Day?
To drag back a quote from 1860 regarding SC.
“Too small for a country yet to large for a lunatic asylum.”
That link to the global warming course doesn’t work for me (random Linux, Firefox V2). However, I was able to find it at http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpaper.aspx?Page=article§id=2&contentid=2008061620080616024120237f8620d45
They don’t offer a degree yet, it’s just a pilot program patterned after programs they saw in London.
I’d be tempted to buy a degree in Global Warming from some degree mill. Perhaps I can start my own.
As for me, I’ll be voting Libertarian.
Reid:
You’re absolutely right, only an absolute moron would put his carbon trading billions in a trust to be in government. Er ,on second thought, maybe your wrong!
I once called myself a liberal because that meant I supported individual freedom. I once called myself an environmentalist because that meant I supported balance between civilization and nature.
I still support individual freedom and balance between civilization and nature. But I can’t support the fascist, one-sided, anti human policies to which these labels now apply.
It truly saddens me that Obama would seek anointment by the high priest of the pseudo-religion of AGW.
My opinion of him is diminished.
imagine this…
b-rack O -presidente
rev. al sharpton- veep
al gore- sec of the state of the world
bill clinton- sec of keepin’ it real
random gun-toting citizen from south carolina- sec of def
it’d be like the justice league of america…. TWO POINT OH!
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“He is far more dangerous than any crazy preacher/priest/pastor/evangelical/minister/frier/or televangelist.” Pam
Pam,
Thanks for not including “poet”. If Al is dangerous, it is because no one has considered him worthy of attention. I guess he snuck up on us like Hitler did.
Note:
I went to great effort to make sure none of this rhymes.
Oh, the pain!!
Other than promising everything under the sun, what qualifications and executive experience does Obama have? Now Al Gore throws full support for Obama. Will this be yet another “he wasn’t who I thought he was”?
Obama is nothing new or fresh. He’s from the same mold as any other politician making big promises of doling out money from the public treasury…..oh, and of course confiscating wealth from producers to give to the non-producers. Isn’t there a definition for that form of government? It used to be taught in schools long ago.
I live 1/2 hour from Flint, Michigan. Aside from gang shootings, high crime (4th most dangerous in country, or is it 3rd now), political corruption, failed schools and boarded up businesses, its a great place to live.
Obama comes to town and basically lists off multiple new government program band aids as if that’s going to improve Flint’s status. There’s nothing like buying votes with other people’s money.
People think energy and food prices are high now? There’s gonna be “change” alright. We are screwed.
I also, once called myself a liberal because that meant I supported individual freedom and less goverment in my pocket.
Deadwoods, we are showing our age.
I my vote for Bob Barr
just Cait says: God HEAT America! God HEAT America!
Brilliant…!
I guess he snuck up on us like Hitler did.
I hate to break this to you, but Hitler didn’t sneak up on anyone.
He did it all quite out in the open with the West singing, “LA-LA-LA WE CAN’T HEAR YOU, WINSTON!”
I’m still trying to figure out how Al Gore did it. (Maybe Like mini-Sauron with his missing finger saving up his spit in Dol Guldur since the Y2K elections?)
I also, once called myself a liberal because that meant I supported individual freedom and less goverment in my pocket.
I still call myself that. My kind will eventually defeat the unliberal radicals who hijacked the word “liberal” and reestablish the term.
A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Obama. A vote for Obama is a vote for Al Gore. He ain’t my first choice, but so far as I’m concerned, it’s raining McCain.
I’ll dodge tornadoes and non-existent terrorists to write in Ron Paul’s name. Also, unless I know better (which I don’t) I will vote against EVERY incumbent. Take my country to hell, will you? You first!
It’s going to snow in Michigan tomorrow! (ya think?). Perhaps this election will end up being about AGW or NOT after all!
I heard the DNC is strapped for cash for the convention party in August. Mayhaps with the ‘new kind of politics’ they can solve their problem by redistribution of wealth. Take some of Obama’s campaign cash and give it to the DNC! Would Obama learn the lesson?
No Barr for me. McCain is the Safety Net and don’t forget that.
Obama looks like a fairly clever chap to me, with all the recent caimpaning he probably hasn’t had the time to sit down and work out the numbers. That fixing the so called climate problem is just not feasible. Especially with the current US economy doing badly, trade deficit, food and oil prices. On the surface he thinks its a goog idea to have the Climate God Gore on his side but if he wants to stay in office he’s going to have many many others things that will take priority.
This Gore/Obama alliance isn’t complex. Obama is the Democrat candidate. Gore must support him or take a chance on years w/o influence.
So Gore endorses.
If Obama wins Gore will get paid one way or another. If Obama loses Gore still can run in 2012.
A blind trust may not be all that “blind”. It really depends upon the integrity of the administrators. But it would stop Gore from being an officer of the funds he is now running. I think he has some radio network ala Air America too.
“A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Obama. A vote for Obama is a vote for Al Gore. He ain’t my first choice, but so far as I’m concerned, it’s raining McCain.
Love that one. I think I’ll borrow it.
Nothing unusual here.
Gore needs to help Obama or President Obama won’t like Gore. That can make life difficult for up to 8 years.
So Gore helps Obama and as President Obama will reward Gore.
If Obama should lose Gore can run in 2012 against a very old McCain. That is probably Gores only shot at the top job.
Obama is taking a risk that Gore’s endorsement will prove a liability. I don’t see that happening and apparently Obama doesn’t either.
To moderator and readers. Sorry for the double post about Gore.
My network crashed and I believed the first version had not been. After the outage I rephrased the message and submitted.
Then both appeared. Drat..
Evan,
Your right Hitler did not sneak up on us. And I think it will be hard for anyone to argue that Al Gore snuck up on us either if you consider An Inconveinient Truth and the $300 million he wants to spend to educate us about AGW (Al Gore Warming).
The other guy is starting to dance to my music.
Someone’s angling for my vote, inspite of his knot headed position on glb wrming.
I don’t usually do politics, next to it climate is pretty straightforward; but any political leader who has anything to do with Gore has no credibility at all. It is a travesty that Gore and people like Mann still have their nobels and are feted at dingbat web-sites, while people like McIntyre, who has heroically discredited the basis of Mann’s pestilent ‘hockey stick’ with his work on Graybill’s Bristlecones, have little recognition and are still plugging away. After Ababneh’s more extensive 2006 study on the same Bristlecones as Graybill’s produced a completly different result showing the MWP warmer than today, it is amazing that the leading AGW scientists are not digging ditches for a living.
And now there is a new tree study which demolishes the conventional temp and CO2 historical perspective;
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature07031.html
If any one in political circles had any decency they would have nothing to do with Gore.
That’s strange; I posted at Jennifer Maharosy’s blog about bristlecones and a new plant study and thought I’d present the details here in the context of Obama’s camaraderie with Gore and I got a repeat message signal. I’ll try again. I don’t usually do politics, next to it climate is pretty straightforward; but any political leader who has anything to do with Gore has no credibility at all. It is a travesty that Gore and people like Mann still have their nobels and are feted at dingbat web-sites, while people like McIntyre, who has heroically discredited the basis of Mann’s pestilent ‘hockey stick’ with his work on Graybill’s Bristlecones, have little recognition and are still plugging away. After Ababneh’s more extensive 2006 study on the same Bristlecones as Graybill’s produced a completly different result showing the MWP warmer than today, it is amazing that the leading AGW scientists are not digging ditches for a living.
And now there is a new tree study which demolishes the conventional temp and CO2 historical perspective;
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature07031.html
If any one in political circles had any decency they would have nothing to do with Gore.
oops, sorry about that; I’ll take note of the signs next time!
Many of you seem shocked by this turn of events.
The AGW thing has never been about science. It is strictly along politico-religious lines and always has been.
Obama will snuggle up right next to Algore because he is cut from the same piece of cloth. Democrats and a few Republicans are drinking the Kool Aid and asking for more. There is no way this should surprise anyone.
“… I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. ” Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson warned us to beware of the ideals of liberal democrats long before they were in vogue.
This election is rapidly approaching a choice between bad, and down right awful.
I’m calling for a do over, for both parties.
If any one in political circles had any decency they would have nothing to do with Gore.
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I believe you answered your own question.
Hitler didn’t sneak up on us. Many here in the US applauded and supported him because he was the spearhead of Global Eugenics. Hollywood, Roosevelt, four of the supreme court justices, Roosevelt and the Rockefeller Foundation all admired his forward-thinking work to clean up Earth’s gene pool. After all, Global Eugenics was the overwhelming consensus of scientists.
I don’t think Gore snuck up on us, he had a book in the early 90s “The Earth In Balance” or something like that. Therein he proposed even more exagerated climate shifts than in AIT. I guess he’s more conservative now…
Although I voted for him in 2000, Gore is now an abomination to me. A long time Dem, this whole AGW thing has changed me politically in a way I never would have thought possible, and I now think of myself as an Indie. Voting for McCain would have been easy if he hadn’t idiotically climbed aboard the AGW bandwagon. So, I will most likely end up voting for Obama, but cast my support for the Repub senatorial candidate here in NH, John Sununu who will need all the help he can get.
The slimy Gore has waited to see who the outright winner will be and then begun his manipulative, slimy activity. The problem is that from France Obama looks like a relative amateur to Gore and we know only too well that Gore will be manipulating things from behind if Obama wins and then we know also that the Average American is not going to win any intelligence competition, after all you voted in Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and now a old hack or a young socialist. The rest of world will be trembling, except of course the Arabs and islamists.
Cohenite,
Politics and decency aren’t those contradictory terms.
I hope it doesn’t take a world war to put the lie to Global Warming, as it did to end Global Eugenics…
The Audacity of Hope: Obama is indeed quite audacious in hoping that he can hug Al Gore in a town where factory workers are being laid off by car manufacturers and not have his actions perceived as another poke in the eye by blue collar workers…
I have seriously considered each candidate on both sides of the spectrum. I started a post on why I liked some things but not other things on each candidate and got so discouraged that I cut the entire paragraph out.
That dart board is beginning to beckon.
Or maybe we need to bring the biotch back.
I’ve predicted Gore becoming a part of the Obama Admin. (Obama will certainly capture the presidency), more than once in this blog.
Gore will become the Climate Czar, with broad powers in
1. NASA
2. FCC
3. IRS
4. EPA
It is sad that so many are hung up in childish Gore-bashing, apparently quite distracted from the real challenges posed by our inevitable exhaustion of fossil-based energy resources, runaway population growth in the undeveloped countries, and the need to move towards sustainability. Those issues transcend your political affiliation, not to mention whatever pundits you get your “news” from …
Incidentally, I recommend the new book I got for father’s day and just started – “Just How Stupid Are We?” by Rick Shenkman – very interesting.
Hitler did not sneak up on us. The world ignored him (except for a cranky old guy named Winston) Anyone who read “Mein Kampf” knew Adolph’s intentions.
Gore did not sneak up on us. Read “Earth in the balance”. Al said what he believed and would do if the opportunity arose.
As Secretary of the Environment, or perhaps Environmental Czar, he may well have the opprotunity do do what he said.
As for blind trusts, not needed, Al is far too honest to require anything like that.
“Bridge for Sale”
“Senator John McCain called today for the lifting of the federal moratorium on offshore oil drilling for states that want to permit it.”
Does anyone know which states would be likely to permit it? My understanding that Florida doesn’t, California certainly doesn’t. How about Alaska? What about other states?
As for being “very helpful in the short term for resolving our energy crisis,” well, I guess that depends on how you define “short term”. Even if access is provided tomorrow, off shore sites aren’t likely to come on-line for another decade. It might help futures prices in the short run, but not supply.
I’m in favor of more access to domestic oil, but I don’t think it will make much of a dent in resolving our energy crisis. For that we need better efficiency and cost-effective alternatives. And with a little capical investment (e.g., a robust investment tax credit) I think the ingenuity is available to make it happen.
If it’s raining McCain I’ll have to bring my um-Barr-ella.
I guess that’s how we have to talk politics on a weather website.:-)
“you can now get a degree in Global Warming from the University of Mumbai.”
It’s must be easy to earn a degree on how NOT to build coal or nuclear plants, how NOT to use cars or planes, how not waste MWhs in electronics gadgets, especially for an Indian student.
Rick Lambert,
Gov Crist of Florida is getting on board with drilling in the Gulf. This will be a good thing because our territorial waters extend only 9 miles into the Gulf. China, Cuba, Venezuela and a host of others can drill there if they want and we know they won’t care if there is any damage done to the US coast line. How politically unpleasant it would be for the US to have to buy Gulf of Mexico oil from another country because we didn’t allow drilling.
This link contains a well-stated overview of the hoax being perpetrated on a dependent and fawning population:
http://www.cityviewmag.com/stories-the-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated_134.html
Tom Bruno, by golly you’re right! What a difference a few days makes. Now, if he could only get the FL legislature on board.
By the way, my understanding is that Cuba has no problem allowing American companies to bid for drilling rights within their territorial waters. It’s the US embargo that prevents it. How do you feel about that? Also, I dispute your contention that US territorial waters extend only 9 mi into the Gulf. I believe you mean 9 mi is the limit where FL state jurisdiction supercedes federal jurisdiction. Federal jurisdiction extends further out. And as far as I know, national drilling rights anywhere in the Gulf is not being questioned by anyone — at least not at this point. So it’s not as if Cuba, or anyone else, is impinging upon any territory that is in dispute. Am I incorrect?
That was a reasonable post for your point of view, but you are banned for previous behavior~jeez
Rick Lambert,
It may well be the 9 miles is where State of Florida jurisdiction ends. I didn’t mean to imply there was any territoral dispute, only that once in international waters anyone can drill without US approval or environmental jurisdiction. So if some other country is going to do it, why shouldn’t we? BTW, I heard today that the Democratic leadership in Congress is arguing that it will take 10 years to get this crude to the pumps in the US. Their conclusion based on that is: why bother, it doesn’t help now. Of course, it was Wild Bill Clinton that vetoed drilling in Alaska in 1995, 13 years ago. Using their own timetable, we would have had plenty of that oil by now. This is also what discourages oil companies and their investors from even starting a project, fear of changing politics that will close them down after a few years and billions spent, all without results or ROI.
Rick Lambert,
You asked for my feelings on the Cuba embargo. It is my understanding that the embargo was imposed after Castro nationalized all the private businesses and industries operated by large US corporations stealing billions of dollars from them in the process. Until his regime is gone, or they repay the corporations (many of which are still in existance) the embargo will stand.
I am sure it isn’t that simple anymore however, I agree with the embargo based on that.
Rick Lambert,
You asked for my feelings on the Cuba embargo. It is my understanding that the embargo was imposed after Castro nationalized all the private businesses and industries operated by large US corporations stealing billions of dollars from them in the process. Until his regime is gone, or they repay the corporations (many of which are still in existance) the embargo will stand.
I am sure it isn’t that simple anymore however, I agree with the embargo based on that.
“inevitable exhaustion of fossil-based energy resources”
Since this won’t happen for several thousand years, I fail to see why immediate attention is so urgent.
“runaway population growth in the undeveloped countries”
You haven’t been paying attention for decades. Even in Mexico, the birthrate is down to little more than 3 live births per woman. The UN’s last prediction was for population to peak in 2050. It is my belief that they are too pessimistic by at least 2 decades.
Try looking at the facts, you will be surprised.
I’m pretty sure that Texas and Lousiana would permit drilling. Alabama and Georgia probably would as well. Florida doesn’t seem to be as lost a cause as it used to be.
As for “taking 10 years” to get to the pump, it will take a whole lot longer if we don’t ever start. More efficient cars will take at least that long to have a real impact, people won’t change overnight. Same with any improvement. We have to start. And realize that we don’t have the ultimate answers today.
But if we don’t start, we’ll never get there.
Perhaps the Rev’s electric runabout isn’t the best solution. It may start someone else thinking of a better way. I rather doubt a massive “cap-n-trade” tax will have the same result.
Tom Bruno, “I didn’t mean to imply there was any territoral dispute, only that once in international waters anyone can drill without US approval or environmental jurisdiction.”
What I’m saying is that it is my understanding that when it comes to national drilling rights, “international waters” doesn’t apply anywhere in the Gulf. In other words, it’s not a question of who gets there first, it’s merely a question of who wants to exploit the resources within their national province. That’s my understanding. The only thing in real question is the veracity of my understanding. Can anyone provide compelling evidence that my understanding is incorrect?
As far as whether members of one party or another are more to blame than members of the other party for the current circumstances, I think it’s pretty obvious that both are responsible. If nothing else, you have to admit that Gov Crist’s flip occurred only in the last few days. So did McCain’s, for that matter. Moreover, my recollection is that former Gov. Jeb Bush wasn’t at all fond of the idea either when he was in power. Neither was his dad when he was president. Now the question is in the hands of the FL legislature. How do you think that’s going to go? I mean really?
You single out Clinton on a completely different issue (Alaska) — an issue, by the way, which even McCain hasn’t flipped on even now. As far as I know, he’s still against drilling in ANWR. That may change. And I guess you could say that’s getting to be my fundamental problem with McCain… I’m beginning to have real trouble discerning between what he stands for and what he just says in order to garner votes. As a long-time McCain supporter I have to say that really hurts. Goddamit John, say what you mean — and keep saying it! It’s precisely because he isn’t doing that that makes Obama more attractive to me. I’m not saying I will vote for Obama, just that I’m considering it more than I otherwise would. And that’s painful.
On the other hand, I have been a long-time supporter of domestic drilling — especially in ANWR. So on that issue I guess it puts me to the right of McCain. I mean come on… look next door at the north slope. Once they figured out how to do it, it appears to me that the environmental impact was minimal. If others disagree I’d love to hear your POV.
I don’t consider myself heavily influenced by traditional ideology of any sort. If I subscribe to any ideology it would be efficiency: to me, it’s whatever works best — in the broadest terms. I’m not insensitive to environmental concerns, but I don’t consider them in a vacuum. I’m not insensitive to market concerns, but I don’t consider them in a vacuum either. That attitude tends to make me unpopular with members of both the traditional left and right. But so be it.
This poem is for jeez
him only to please.
I’m afraid if you post
we’ll both be soon toast.
Contract for America
Newt is a ninnie.
Twice traitor is he,
both to the South
and to liberty.
If I had the money
and it weren’t no sin
I’d buy a contract FOR America
and his name append.
Gee jeez, you posted!
If you don’t here from me
assume I’m toasted.
Perhaps a B.S in BS would be in order for “Dr.” Gore……….
Al, poor Al!
His bet on the future:
Looks like it’s turned sour.
Did he learn not
(in Sunday School)
the future is His,not his,
to rule?
Fossil fuel will be around in a thousand years, but who will be able to afford it? “Exhaustion” is a relative term based on cost. Many are struggling to pay the increased gas cost they’ve had to pay to get to work lately. In my area gasoline went up 33% in 16 weeks. Granted, that’s an aberration, but the trend is clear (unless and until demand is reduced). Costs are rising, and substitutes aren’t ready or sufficient yet.
As any system is pushed near capacity its resilience and ability to recover from changes are reduced. How much of a problem with food or water supplies does it take for a city like Mexico City or Karachi to become a humanitarian disaster?
Personally, I’d rather see humanity become smart enough to limit its numbers and live a lot more efficiently before things get too bad. Education and family planning, and economic assistance that mandates ecologically responsible courses of action, are needed, IMHO.
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