June 14th

Is a special day that many forget about, some people never even know about it.

To see what is special about June14th, see my new blog Weather Picture of The Day.

Don’t forget yours.

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64 thoughts on “June 14th

  1. Piece of cloth day? OK, you obviously have strong feelings about flag day, but I’m guessing it’s about what the flag represents to YOU and not about some cotton woven together in a nice pattern.

  2. Hurrah! Hurrah!
    Here comes the jubilee!
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    For the Flag That Makes You Free!

  3. Religionistas: One nation, under God, indivisible…
    Warmistas: One nation, under Gore, indivisible…
    Sensible folk: One nation, indivisible…
    The flag used to mean more, perhaps because so much of politics, especially unpopular wars have been wrapped in it. During the Vietnam War, if you were against it you were called “commie” and such.

  4. Yippeee Flag Day !
    Mine is flying proudly over my home in my adopted country today.
    People who have never lived anywhere else in the world have no idea what a special and wonderful place the USA is. If you have lived in a downtrodden Socialist Paradise as I have the freedom and upward mobility enjoyed by people in this country is breathtaking. I love this place.
    You often see bumper stickers that say “feedom is not free”. I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. That’s one of the things that spurs me in my minor role to oppose the untruth that is AGW and the madness of the solutions that are being prescribed to supposedly overcome it. Left unchecked their is no area of life that won’t be impacted negatively in some way by the morally misguided zealots on the fringes of the AGW movement.
    Also I would like to take an opportunity to tip my hat to the citizens of the Republic of Ireland. They voted down the introduction of a new EU constitution this week. The new constitution would have taken the very undemocratic EU several steps down the line towards an even more undemocratic United States of Europe or as I prefer EUSSR.
    Those in power in the EU already have the Supreme Court and the Central Bank in their hands. The new constitution would mean a Non elected President, Embassies overseas and the genesis of a Pan European Armed Service. Nation states would also sign over their rights to set their own Social Policies to the EU.
    Two years ago an identical constitution was voted down by the citizens of France and Holland. This time to avoid the need for a vote an almost identical document was brought back as an amendement to an exisiting treaty. That being the case the parliaments of 26 out of 27 nations said that it didn’t need a plebiscite merely the approval of their elected representatives.
    That didn’t wash in Ireland who’s constitution demands that amendments to their constitution, and this is a BIG one, must be approved by a referendum.
    That no other EU member country out of 27 allowed their citizens to vote on the new constitution and instead chose simply to impose it speaks volumes about the aims and intentions of the Commissars of the EUSSR.
    God Bless America and all who defend Her freedoms !

  5. And the Republic for which it stands.

    F the republic (government). For some of us, the flag stands for Liberty, not the force of government.

  6. Wow! nanny. I am surprised your comment got through. It must be the power of your noble sentiment. Keep the faith.

  7. Currently we’re on Mark III of the pledge.
    Version 1.0 is as follows:
    I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

  8. During the Vietnam War, if you were against it you were called “commie” and such.
    Where I come from, during the latter part of the Vietnam War they wore it on the ass of their jeans. That’s when they weren’t spitting on it or burning it. When I was a kid, you could buy a flag at a newsstand. By1968 the flag had simply vanished Then in 1980 (during the Hostage Crisis) I saw a flag for sale in a kiosk for the first time in years. Then during the Reagan years, it came back into fashion (somewhat).
    Nowadays you can usually get a flag bandanna (one of which I used to tie back my hair until a year ago, at which point it was over a foot long). Note that according to NYC culture the flag-as-bandanna is a sign of patriotism (if not protocol), whereas the bluejeans flag-used-to-patch-the-ass version is considered a rejection.

  9. Pablo, I so hear you.
    Yes, I am “soft” on immigration (including the illegal sort). Yes, illegal immigrants are in violation and they are crashing the line, I know that. I agree with all the pro-border, rule-of-law arguments. But, heck, most of them are doing all that because they so badly want to live in America and I just can’t get away from that.
    Anyone who has seen a new citizen who has just taken the oath, clutching a flag and saying God Bless America, with the tears running down, knows that immigrants make the very best citizens of all, better than I ever could be.

  10. I’m beginning to understand the problem.
    I want to make a joke about the lack of moderation in some commenters driving the need for moderation.
    But all I seem to be able to do is weep.
    But it has been a proud day here–took my aching feet to the store and bought a new flag and mount–the trees have grown up around the old ole so nobody but me can see it and know it is there.
    Near sunset here on the Great Plains, time to observe Retreat. ‘Bout the only time “Retreat” seems like a good idea.

  11. The pledge has always bothered me:

    I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands,

    See above…

    one nation, indivisible,

    Only since Lincoln fought an unjustified war on Americans, killing 600,000 of them to make it so. Might does not make right, IMHO.

    with liberty and justice for all.

    Unless, of course, you want your state to peacefully secede from the union, as it peacefully entered. Then there’s no liberty and no justice.
    Re: “Illegal” Immigration. The Federal government has no authority to stop immigrants from coming to the USA. See the US Constitution. All immigration is legal.
    Sorry for all the venting. Have a great Liberty day.

  12. Nanny, The Pledge was written around 1890 for the purpose of indoctrinating people into the idea of “THE United States” instead of the original concept of “THESE United States”. With regards to Lincoln:
    The harms of Lincoln’s war
    were many then and many now.
    And will they ever end?
    Not till we suspend
    the worship
    of that sacred cow.
    With regards to slavery, I detest it, so please spare me the insults.

  13. Hurrah! Hurrah!
    Here comes the jubilee!
    Hurrah! Hurrah!
    For the Flag That Makes You Free!
    So we sang this chorus from Atlanta to the Sea
    As we was marchin’ through Georgia!

  14. I fear, My Dear PSam, that on this one we must, perforce march to a different drummer.

  15. Evan,
    I’m sorry we disagree.
    But someone waved that flag;
    I think it was Anthony.
    As for Sherman,
    he might be learning
    that compared to hell
    war is swell.

  16. There is hope the intellect will hold against the wall of war that is the Cold War. The Cold War wall came down. The attack to Liberty never subsided. A brief pause by total-control-power is now within our house we call Liberty. 9 Men wearing black cloth have removed the safe guard of intellect that was protected by Constitutional Amendments arduous labor requirements.
    But, heck, most of them are doing all that because they so badly want to live in America . (no, for money, gold coin. An acquaintance immigrant required 11 years of buearacatic bull to gain legal citizenship.There is something bad wrong)
    to oppose the untruth that is AGW (values of intellect have become political. Or maybe they always have been)
    If you have lived in a downtrodden Socialist Paradise as I have the freedom and upward mobility enjoyed by people in this country is breathtaking (Each must share in your personal experience to feel liberty, our 1st and 2nd Amendments are the keys to individual pursuit of anything)
    undemocratic EU several steps down the line towards an even more
    undemocratic United States of Europe or as I prefer EUSSR. ( this is down right scary. Perhaps the biggest threat is from the U.N. and International Law)
    in Ireland who’s constitution demands that amendments to their constitution, and this is a BIG one, must be approved by a referendum. (An American once had this belief in Constitutional safe guards, called Due Process)

  17. nanny_govt_sucks:
    A Republic is not a government, but a confederation of States. That was the genius of the Founders. Read the Federalst Papers. They feared the tyranny of a strong central authority (we had just fought a war to escape one). Would that our current leaders and aspirants understood this.
    “All immigration is legal” ? Where does the Constitution say that? If someone wants to come here legally, obey the law, work hard, pay taxes (like the rest of us), I say “Welcome”.
    When al-Gore tells me how I can or cannot live, I say something else.

  18. I don’t believe that a person can fully value what they have had until they have lost it. Or in my case if they didn’t have it in the first place until they get it.
    Is the USA perfect ? No of course not. Nowhere is.
    Is it better than some give it credit for ? Yes, absolutely.
    Like I said, and I mean this most sincerely, I love this place.
    I became a US citizen some years back now and the ceremony took place in a Federal Court. There were about 20 people all there for the same reason as me. Before the start of the ceremony the presiding judge asked the foreman how many nationalities were represented in my group that day.
    “14” was the answer.
    The ceremony proceeded and at it’s commencement the judge said,
    “That’s better there’s only one now, please sit down”
    The judge then went on to give us all a brief overview of our new rights and responsibilities. The right to have an opinion that differs from other peoples and to be free to express it was the one that struck home with me. It still does.

  19. PSam:
    Consider that while Sherman wrought terrible destruction, there were no large-scale massacres. He hanged looters and murderers from his own army. So far as I know, up to that point in human history there had never been anywhere near that degree of destruction without huge mass-killings.
    One thing is for sure: The desrtuction of southern ifrastructure (including severing the railnet) ended the war.

  20. A Republic is not a government, but a confederation of States.

    Read the pledge again. “Republic” (capital “R”) is re-defined as one nation, indivisible. That’s not a confederation of states. Our founding fathers would be horrified.

  21. Evan,
    Sure the North won. But note it had to wage war on civilians to do so. Lee did not do that in Pennsylvania. Lincoln provoked that war; one day his monument will be allowed to rust.
    Flag day is over. Demographics may break up the US when the South West and California VOTE their way out of the Union. Will you favor force to keep them in?
    Let’s leave this topic. We are united against the anti-human crowd and that’s what this site is about.

  22. Yes, I agree that the pledge was a poke in the eye aimed at the south.
    The two changes were pokes, of a kind, as well.

  23. “All immigration is legal” ? Where does the Constitution say that?

    Well, for the FEDERAL government there is no authority given to do anything about immigration. See Article 1 Section 8, and the 10th amendment. So, at the Federal level, all immigration is legal.

  24. Lee did not do that in Pennsylvania
    True. (But then, Lee was no Bedford Forrest or jubal Early . . .)
    We are united against the anti-human crowd and that’s what this site is about.
    Thass a fack, Jack!

  25. If Nathan led and not R. Lee
    50 states there would not be.

    With that I find I must agree.

  26. Your side won
    and my side lost.
    But at such a cost! At such a cost!
    Still, we’ve had our fun
    Not like Bull Run

  27. My greatgrandmother’s parents knew Lincoln well. They were in politics together, he a Republican and my great-greatgrandfather a Democrat in Springfield, Illinois. Lincoln was minding his own business (they still didn’t campaign for themselves in those days), tending to his current duties and free-time activities. One of those activities was to sit down and trade anecdotes with local younger politicians, especially from the other side, laugh, smoke, and drink. It was in many of these after-work gatherings that my g-g-Gpa developed a friendship with Lincoln (his daughter described it as intimate, which back then meant like mentoring). The family farm was also on Lincoln’s mail route in earlier days so he also knew my g-g-g-Gpa.

  28. I thank ole Abe
    for this here rhyme:
    “You can fool some of the people
    all of the time.”
    Still, it’s nothing to brag about
    for in the end, the truth will out.
    I reckon poor ole Abe
    has found that out.

  29. Which of the founding fathers would you also put in that special place you hold in your heart? I love reading biographies about all these men. You discover things you didn’t know, or thought you knew. The Declaration almost didn’t make it off the writing desk because of the slave issue. Here’s another one: Lincoln was initially politically neutral and even ambivalent in his own thoughts about blacks and slavery as a component of Southern life. But he slowly changed his mind about the entire issue of slavery as pressures mounted to bring in new states and territories out west. He was quite willing to compromise with the South and held out for an agreement for a very long time. You keep your slaves. New states will be slave free. It is more true to say that the West started the war more than either the North or South did.
    My dear poet, you need to read more widely.

  30. Pam,
    The South wanted to secede not conquer the North. The issue was not about slavery as Lincoln himself admitted. It was about money as is usually the case. An independent South could have imported European goods without the high protectionist tariff. Smuggling across the Mason-Dixon would have undercut Northern manufactured goods. Lincoln said the South could secede as long as it continued to pay the tariff.
    Over 600,000 dead and countless maimed for life. Horrific facial injuries before the day of plastic surgeries. Racial relations poisoned to this day.
    I think it is you who should read more. I suggest :
    The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War by Thomas J. dilorenzo. I have not yet read this book myself. My views are based on other books and some critical thinking
    When your views on Lincoln change, the scales will start to fall from your eyes. I wish you well.
    I’d write you a poem
    and perhaps Iota.
    But some would say
    I’ve fulfilled my quota.

  31. PoetSam, I grew up fishing and playing in Bull Run (good place to catch crawdads and tadpoles, amongst other amphibians and reptiles). More specifically, Manassas, VA. Spent a lot of time on the battlefield park there too. The bronze (I think) statue of Stonewall Jackson is most impressive. So much so they named two schools after him.

  32. Jeff,
    What a time that was! Great men on both sides. That seems to have been forgotten in the name of political correctness.

  33. I don’t buy it. The ACW was all about slavery.
    States’ rights? States’ rights to do what?
    Economics? The economics of what?
    Social issues? The social issues of what?
    Right to secede? Along what lines?
    Irreconcilable differences? Over what issue?
    It all comes back to the issue of slavery. Like a continual, gentle tapping, all on the same point.
    For a damnyankee I have a lot of sympathy for the south and the southern cause. I don’t think that we need to go running around tearing down every rebel battle flag. I recognize the bravery and dedication of the south. As much as I reject chattel slavery neither do I equate it with Nazism (or the Japanese WWII model).
    But the “secession-driver” was the issue of slavery. Remove that and there would almost certainly have been no ACW.
    Pam:
    My favorite Lincoln comment was:
    I hope God is on my side. However, I must have Kentucky.

  34. Hey guys, I try to read unbiased biographies, not ones that try to prove a point. I don’t swallow the “Lincoln was da MAN” biography (made that up) any more than I would hang on every word in a book that falls on the other side. And if I do read them (which I have, including a record of the Civil War just two years into it by an officer serving in the Confederate Army), I read the one in the middle for SURE so that I can get to a more “unrevised, un-re-written”, view. Many of the earlier Washington Biographies were white washed. Then later ones were stomped into the ground. People try to sway memories so much more so than when the people are in the middle of the current event. Its called revisionist history. It takes guts to see both sides when what you really want to do is prove your theory.
    As they say, if you want to view both sides of the river, it is best done from the middle of the river.

  35. Evan,
    The US was the ONLY nation that “required” a civil war to end slavery. Why is that?
    Pam,
    My arguments can be made from what Lincoln himself said. Was the man a liar then? And will you still defend him?
    Also, its is not bad to read biased accounts; just read one on the other side to balance it. FACTS are FACTS whatever one’s intentions.
    You’ll never find the middle without knowing both ends.
    Pam and Evan:
    You helped inspire this rhyme:
    to my fellow lost sheep
    It seems to me we disagree.
    That’s OK; go on your way.
    There’s just one truth
    and when He finds us,
    you’ll see me and I’ll see thee.

  36. (repost, ignore above)
    Evan,
    The US was the ONLY nation that “required” a civil war to end slavery. Why is that?
    Pam,
    My arguments can be made from what Lincoln HIMSELF said. Was the man a liar then? And will you still defend him?
    Also, its is not bad to read biased accounts; just read one on the other side to balance it. FACTS are FACTS whatever one’s intentions.
    You’ll never find the middle without knowing both ends.
    Pam and Evan:
    You helped inspire this rhyme:
    to my fellow lost sheep
    It seems to me we disagree.
    That’s OK; go on your way.
    There’s just one truth
    and when He finds us,
    you’ll see me and I’ll see thee.

  37. No where in the definitive biography penned by David Donald, which used the Lincoln papers sealed until 1947, does it state that Lincoln believed it was okay for any state in the Union to secede without the entire Union voting for it. He told his biographer John G. Nicolay, “The right of a State to secede is not an open or debatable question.” Don’t look for these quotes before 1947 in any biography. Lincoln’s papers were sealed from 1890 until then.
    Another quote: To Thurlow Weed, the New York boss of the party, he wrote, “No state can, in any way lawfully, get out of the Union, without the consent of the others…”
    I would be interested in finding the quote and source for any statement that has Lincoln saying or writing that the South could secede.

  38. ngs:
    I know perfectly well Lincoln didn’t invade the south to free the slaves. I said that the ACW was “all about slavery”, and if slavery hadn’t been the issue, there would have been no secession in the first place. That’s very different.
    Lincoln wanted to contain slavery to the states where it existed, in an era of expansion. That meant the south would eventually have been at the congressional mercy of the North (even in the senate).
    The US was the ONLY nation that “required” a civil war to end slavery. Why is that?
    It has been blamed on the cotton ‘gin, though lately that has been disputed.
    (Sigh) We should have just bitten the bullet in 1807 when we had the last, best opportunity. Unfortunately that was not to be.
    The transoceanic slave trade off the west coast of Africa was forcibly eliminated by the Royal Navy. Didn’t help captives in Africa much, but that’s another story involving horrible Irony. (Colin McEvedy comments on this.)

  39. Let’s not fight “Civil War II”,
    my side gray and your side blue.
    Not till we deal with the global alarmists.
    Then we can fight
    (unless they disarm us).

  40. Can we use a different acronym for the Civil War? I got old man eyes and you are really flustering the moderator.
    I see ACW was “all about slavery” and that’s really confusing in this particular blog space.

  41. jeez, those old man eyes are hell.
    I should have listened to those old wive tales.
    (poetSam has left this land
    he’ll say no more,
    he’s out the door)

  42. As I fight my way through the visual fog,
    I pause and self censor.
    For any proper response I consider,
    is not proper fodder for a family blog.

  43. PoetSam
    Have you ever read John Brown’s Body? (It’s the whole Civil War via poetry by Stephen Vincent Benet.)
    Can we use a different acronym for the Civil War? I got old man eyes and you are really flustering the moderator.
    Oh, I get it! ACW/AGW! Sorry about that!
    It’s wargamers’ lingo. That’s how we speak on ConSimWorld.
    As a designer of a Civil War game (with full storyboard from start to finish), I have been around the park twice or once on the arguments.
    I have two huge boxes of all sorts of books on the subject. (Or is it three?) I can rattle off all the Confederate corps commanders and the Union army commanders by rote. Most of the southern divisional commanders and Union corps commanders, to boot.
    Yes, I concede the cost was enormous. Yes I agree that the war itself and the aftermath were truly miserably handled. But worth it in spite of that. YMMV!
    I don’t take the “politically correct” view of the south-as-worse-than-Hitler.
    But make mine “the Flag With 34 Stars” so far as 1861-3 is concerned.
    http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/FLAGS/us-1861.html
    I have in fact gotten a little wargame weary on the subject over the past few years, so I will be happy simply to agree to disagree . . .

  44. Evan,
    I have heard of John Brown’s Body recently so this is a coincidence.
    Have you heard the story of how N.B. Forest met his future wife?

  45. No, all I know is that it was almost two decades before the war, and her father initially refused to grant permission for the marriage.

  46. Well, this is from memory but here goes:
    His future wife and her mother were leaving church in a buggy and got stuck in a creek bed. 3 or four naves surrounded the carriage and mocked their situation without helping. Nathan came up and beat the tar out of them and got them unstuck.
    In the war, I read he had 27 (28?) horses shot out from under him.
    He gave them yankees hell
    and if they were damned,
    he sent them there as well.

  47. The way i heard it, he had thirty horses shot out from under him and killed 31 men hand to hand.
    He later commented, “I was a horse ahead.”
    (BTW, I did a writeup on him on one of those cards you have, Rev.)
    REPLY: Those playing cards are way cool, thanks again. Which makes me think, maybe we should make up a set for the top climate alarmists.
    The question: who is the Ace of Spades?

  48. Off topic but Chaiten, following a couple weeks sub-plinian, seemed yesterday to be ramping back up.

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