Of course the alarmists folks will denounce this as they did the last one, and there are bound to be a few unscrupulous types, such M.J. Murphy of Toronto who blogs as Big City Lib, who by his own admission, made false statements to get “weaseled onto the list” (his words). There are others who will do their best to crash the list so they can claim it is a sham, but there is one name on this list worth noting:
Freeman Dyson is one of the world’s most eminent physicists. You can read an essay about his views on climate change, posted here on WUWT a on 11/05/2007.
You can read all about the Oregon Petition Project here at the Financial Post.
I did not sign on to the Oregon list, but rather chose to add my name to the Manhattan Declaration this spring. I also signed the very first petition of this type, back in 1997 called the Leipzig Declaration.
If you want to add your name to the either the Manhattan Declaration or the OISM petition, you can still do so. Here are the links:
Manhattan Declaration via an an interactive PDF of the declaration, which includes a form ready for completing and submitting.
Oregon Petition Project via a mail in PDF form.
It will be interesting to see how the MSM and alarmist bloggers spin this one. I’m sure they’ll do their best to minimize it as being “irrelevant”. I believe at some point though, there will be recognition.
Nature of course will be the final arbiter of truth, such as what we see here in global temperatures from satellite and surface since 2002.
Graph from Joe D’Aleo at ICECAP – click for larger image
UPDATE: 5/21/08
Honor system abuser, BigCityLib, aka Michael J. Murphy of Toronto reports that he in fact did NOT make the list. By his own admission he lied about his background and falsified documents to try to have his name added, but apparently the petition screening process found his deception and denied his application. But he says he’ll keep trying and encourages others to lie and falsify documents such as he has.
On an unrelated note, I orginally had 32,000 in the title because that is how the original email sent to me (third party, not OISM) had it. Upon further inspection I note the number is closer to 31,000 so I’ve edited the title to reflect that.
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But they’re all owned; lock, stock and barrel by ‘Big Oil’!!!
You’re marginalized as an activist if you speak out against AGW.
But you’re reputed as a responsible scientist if you support AGW.
REPLY: I speak out against AGW but I support solar power and drive an electric car. I guess that puts me in the cognitive dissonance category since I don’t exactly fit in the other two.
This is getting exactly zero-point-zero coverage in the media.
Anthony, I don’t think you are exhibiting “cognitive dissonance,” at all. The desire to move toward more “sustainable” forms of energy, and a lack of belief in AGW are NOT Mutually Exclusive, or Contradictory attitudes.
I, personally, believe that Global Petroleum Production is in the “Process” of Peaking. As a result, I strongly support biofuels, as I perceive them as a “bridging” technology that is available to us “Right Now.” I’ve, also, become more, and more, convinced that AGW is an Extraordinary Amount of total Horse Hockey piled Incredibly high.
Two Different Events; Requiring Two Different Sets of Analysis.
Oh, Thanks for a Wonderful Blog. Just about my First Stop every morning.
Are those graphs Total Surface, Land+Ocean, or just land?
REPLY: Land + Ocean aka “mud” 😉
Freeman Dyson was famous 50 years ago (if its really him that signed).
C’mon, dude, I sent ’em a letter consisting of the scientific knowledge I had acquired in 20 minutes of skimming a real science paper. They were willing to send me as many copies of the petition as I wanted to distribute among my “scientist” friends, including the homeless guy that goes by the name of Dr. Von Dickenstein.
And if you wanted to sign the Manhattan Declaration you could have made the request via email. Even easier.
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2008/04/fun-with-manahtten-declaration-or-who.html#links
Charles Murray, the guy that owned the Crandall Canyon mine, got his whole family to sign up.
Cmon Anthony, you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
PS. Tough shit about your electric car. I run to and from work every day. Totally emission free except when I fart.
REPLY: Sage advice from the liberal who by his own written and published admission: lies, falsifies documents, and takes advantage of an honor system for his own twisted amusement. Sir, have you no shame?
Note to readers: BCL’s MO is to do and say outrageous things to draw traffic to his site, don’t give him the hits.
OT:
can someone explain the magnetogram for today – there are two low latitude areas that have opposite magnetic polarity. I’m wondering which one is cycle 23, and which one is cycle 24.
Thanks for the info, and keep up the good work!
REPLY: Magnetic polarity on sunspots reverses when the solar equator is crossed.
Anthony wrote:
“Note to readers: BCL’s MO is to do and say outrageous things to draw traffic to his site, don’t give him the hits.”
Yeah, don’t find out how easy it is for any semi-illiterate moron like me to get on the Oregon list of “scientists” opposed to the theory of AGW. Stay ignorant. It feels better.
read BCLs “short stories.”
Have a barf bag ready.
BCL, it wouldn’t take too much effort to determine if Dyson actually signed the petition. But I guess throwing insults is even easier.
It will be interesting to see how the MSM and alarmist bloggers spin this one. I’m sure they’ll do their best to minimize it as being “irrelevant”.
For the MSM to minimize this petition, they will first need to report it.
AS much as I would prefer a world where this would happen, I will not be holding my breath to await it.
The warmers started a while back dissing the Oregon Petition. I very much doubt that they will even recognize it this time. they have a hard time understanding that many of their own scientists aren’t the most credentialed either. but they are all “climate specialists”. While BCL is willing to skew the stats by falsely signing the paper I am not. I have been accused of being a skeptic of global warming. I am not, I am a skeptic of man made global warming. I have even been called a denier. I agree that the earth has been warming since the last ice age and will until it starts to cool for the next ice age. however long the cycle takes. I guess that makes me a denier.
Bill
PS the cooling may have started.
Brit mentioned it tonight on Fox.
Anthony, I agree with you. CO2 drives the climate is a joke, switching to some other form of fuel is not, but we wil never be free from using oil. BCL should focus his energy more on real environmemtal issue.
By the way, Pacific Legal Foundation will be giving notice to the dept. of interior to remove the polar bear from the threaten list.
If Freeman Dyson is one of the world’s most eminent physicists, why would he sign the petition saying he has a BA in the field Mathematics?
REPLY: A good question that is easily answered when you read his biography.
I wasn’t on those lists/petitions, but I guess I could have been.
MS specializing in Solar Engineering. A partner in Applied Solar Engineering Inc. – many solar projects in Texas (library, bank, elementary school, HUD apartment complexes, an oil field, etc.). Received a process patent on an oil field solar system (to separate the brine from the oil, and use the brine (a waste that needed to be hauled away and disposed of) to create a salt-gradient solar pond to produce power.
This was in the early 80’s before Reagan eliminated the tax credits and put us out of business. Except for that, Reagan was a great president.
So they can subtract BCL and add my name. Or is it too late to sign up?
REPLY: The lists remain open, you can indeed sign up
Having seen the picture of Big city lib, he needs to run more and modify his diet.
BCL is just McClelland with the f words.
quote:
OT:
can someone explain the magnetogram for today – there are two low latitude areas that have opposite magnetic polarity. I’m wondering which one is cycle 23, and which one is cycle 24.
Thanks for the info, and keep up the good work!
REPLY: Magnetic polarity on sunspots reverses when the solar equator is crossed.
end quote
So these are both cycle 23 spots, because they are both in the low latitudes?
Thx
REPLY: Yes, both near the equator, cycle 23.
BCL: “I run to and from work every day. Totally emission free….”
BCL apparently doesn’t breathe when he runs or he is a vegetable.
I know you don’t want us to feed trolls but I can’t resist when I read such dribble.
Doesn’t make sense to me, this issue of the number of scientists who believe one way or the other somehow lending credibility to the belief. If 9,999,999 ‘scientists’ believe that 2+2 =5 and 1 believes that 2+2 =4, are the 9,999,999 right because there are more of them? Don’t think so.
Science isn’t democratic and, it seems to me, that most of the time the correct belief is held by the minority, at least at first.
Dr Eugene Parker, who predicted the existence of Solar Wind in 1958 , was excoriated by his fellow physicists at first. He was literally told by a ‘consensus’ of eminent scientists, “Parker, if you knew anything about the subject, you could not possibly be suggesting this. We have known for decades that interplanetary space is a hard vacuum, pierced only intermittently by beams of energetic particles from the Sun.” Of course Dr. Parker was proved right and now his beliefs are the ‘consensus’.
BCL hits will = o soon so guess you wont see him/her posting here again hoisted by his own petard LOL
I find these lists a silly distraction. My Dad can beat up your Dad. Those with the most toys win.
Someone comes up with a list – the number of signers is approximately as comprehensive as a Web poll. Then you have to vet the list, then promote and defend it. And for what? A lot of scientists can be wrong – have been wrong. No matter how you set up the list, some of the scientists are likely to know less than many non-scientists running around.
And none of it leads to any new insights into how climate works.
Ah well, it’s probably just me. At a product rollout for a past employer, it was quite amazing how the things important to motivating the sales force have essentially nothing to do with the product and are completely different from what motivates the engineers. I suppose I should be looking at people who get impressed at such lists. Politicians and other people who don’t understand science but want to be concerned citizens may lead the pack.
Ah well, it is harmless and if it helps prevent throwing billions at a problem that may not exist, it might be a good thing.
And he uses a computer, several actually, since he’s got a blog, and who knows how many other sites. So he’s pumping out more emissions than a short daily car trip would amount to anyway. That is if CO2 really mattered in this respect.
Running to and from work consumes more calories than driving. So he has to eat more food. Which means more trips to the stores, and more deliveries to the stores, and more CO2 emissions. Not sure where his free energy comes into play.
Is there really a scientist called Philip A. Dick, the same as the (late) science fiction writer?
REPLY: You are asking the wrong person.