Tipping Point?

by Kirby Schlaht

Many climate catastrophists claim that only a few more degrees in temperature or a few parts per million of a greenhouse gas might push our planet over the edge into a devastating hothouse environment with warming oceans, melting ice caps, rising sea levels, and more violent storms. Are tipping points unprecedented in paleoclimate history with rapid temperature changes leading to extreme warming or cooling climates? Let’s look at some paleoclimate data for ourselves.

Fossil foraminifera can be used to identify the conditions in which the enclosing sediments accumulated. We can use the oxygen-18 ratios to recognize glacial and warm episodes during the current Ice Age. We know that during the last million years of the Late Pleistocene Ice Age the planet has continued to cool initiating a glacial-interglacial period of around 100 thousand years. The Milankovitch 100k year orbital Eccentricity cycle appears to modulate this longer period. Over the previous 2 million years of the early Pleistocene the planet was warmer with the glacial-interglacial period a steady 40 thousand years seemingly driven by the 40k year Obliquity cycle.

High resolution paleoclimate proxy records from Greenland ice cores (Boers, 2018) show that the last 120-thousand-year glacial interval was punctuated by abrupt climatic transitions called Dansgaard–Oeschger (D-O) events. These events are characterized by rapid temperature increases over Greenland of up to 15 deg C within a few decades. The course of a D-O event starts with an abrupt warming, followed by a cooling period lasting a few hundred years where temperatures eventually return to the normal cold of the glacial period. The cause of these transitions remains unclear. However, these transitions may be influenced by amplification of cyclic solar forcings,

In 2017, Jung-Eun Lee and associates published model results that indicate a globally cooling temperature is the main driver of the glacial-interglacial period timing switch. The models show that our current Milankovitch orbital state is the peak of high obliquity and peak of high eccentricity. If we plot the oxygen-18 proxy temperatures against orbital obliquity and eccentricity over the last glacial interval a pattern emerges. We see high D-O event frequency during periods of high obliquity and low frequency during low obliquity with the warm interglacials occurring only at high obliquity and high eccentricity. High obliquity alone cannot initiate an interglacial during low eccentricity periods but it can provide enough increased insolation at the higher latitudes – a tipping point if you will – to allow solar activity changes to drive the D-O temperature transitions through sea ice and thus ice albedo reductions. The slow return to the pre-D-O event low temperatures represents the slow rebuilding of sea ice and the resulting increased ice albedo. During low obliquity periods our colder planet suppresses or washes out solar activity influences thus a dearth of D-O events.

I do not mean to imply that obliquity and eccentricity coupled with solar activity changes are the only drivers of this D-O type rapid climate change but these extrinsic forcings set the stage so that the intrinsic drivers such as ocean current changes or ice-albedo reductions can then show their warming influence. Climate change is not just one thing, but represents a set of interwoven influences – I do believe however, that changes in solar activity in the D-O event cases as well as the glacial-interglacial period timing, are “instigated” by Milankovitch cycles providing another link in the causal chain.

To clarify – the Milankovitch cycles are not technically the first causal link to any climate change. In The Story of Climate Change (https://thestoryofclimatechange.substack.com ), I lay out a hypothetical climate change causal chain in order of influence. It begins with our planetary system’s galactic orbital location (spiral arm icehouse or inter-arm hothouse), followed by our galactic in and out-of-plane orbital oscillation position (warm out-of-plane and cool in-plane), followed by the Milankovitch orbital cycles (obliquity, eccentricity, precession) especially notable during the cold ice ages, followed by solar activity changes, finally the intrinsic influences of ice albedo, ocean currents, water vapor and other shorter term drivers such as volcanism. So, where are we now? Our current climate state is as follows: We are about 1/3 the way across the Sagittarius spiral arm – we continue to fall deeper into the cold Icehouse. Our out-of-plane galactic orbital oscillation places us fully in-plane with the associated maximum cosmic radiation and maximum propensity for cooling cloudiness and initiation of an Ice Age. We are at the highest planetary obliquity and eccentricity resulting in this 20k year interglacial period. At these warmer temperatures solar activity changes are muted and give rise to diminished decade to century timescale solar cycle driven events.

Are we at a Hothouse tipping point now? The simple answer is “no”. A Hothouse period is simply not possible in our current climate state. We will emerge from this Icehouse in about 125 million years and enter the next Hothouse by exiting this cold Sagittarius spiral arm space and transiting the next hot inter-arm region. The upcoming Hothouse was last transited by our system 500 million years ago during the Cambrian Period which produced the “Cambrian Explosion”, the most intense burst of evolution ever known. As we cross this inter-arm space, the galactic radiation intensity is reduced with accompanying decreased cloud cover and rising temperatures. Now, as our planetary system oscillates out-of-plane the cosmic radiation is reduced even further, driving global cloud cover to a minimum, initiating an even hotter period about 30 million years long. Each of the Milky Way’s inter-arm spaces is of unique size but can produce two to three of these very hot out-of-plane periods during our 50-to-100-million-year transit. Further on in our galactic orbit, the galactic radiation again increases as we approach the next cold spiral arm, the Perseus arm, home of the Ordovician glacial period 450 million years ago. 

Closer to home however, in another 10k years or so, as earth’s obliquity begins to move lower the planet continues to cool. At low obliquity and with eccentricity still remaining high, we will experience a continuing cooling toward the next glacial inception point – tipping point – where high eccentricity and low obliquity instigated by precession will drive rapid sea ice expansion, ice albedo cooling and the next 80k year glacial period.

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mydrrin
May 7, 2024 6:31 am

Everyone always leaves out the oceans. The biggest factor of transferring heat from the tropics where energy inputs are highest to the poles where more heat gets expressed than incoming.

Why are the oceans so darn cold? 90% of the ocean is between 0-4 degrees.This is why we are in an ice age. Why is energy not being transferred to the poles.

What is happening at the tropics with the ocean? The water gets heated up to 27 degrees and starts changing liquid water to gaseous water making storms that drive the Hadley Cell. Hadley Cells express heat as the storm then the heat gets moved in the upper troposphere to makes deserts from descending air adiabatically expressing more heat.

One can see the change in the oceans during the current interglacial. Sahara became green indicating that this dynamic changed. The oceans coasts in all of the north became warm, one can see it in the Svalbard Molluscs populations. Then we get colder and colder the deserts start up again as the storm dynamic changes. Freezing at the poles, glaciation of Iceland 4.2k years ago…etc.

How to get to a hothouse? Right now cold water wins the bottom of the ocean from cold dense water around Antartica descending. Very little dense waters from hot areas get pushed to the bottom of the ocean. When big tropically seas dump large amounts of warm water to the bottom of the ocean we will be hothouse again when it comes up at the poles. This isn’t going to happen until the world’s topography changes. Ice age is here to stay.

Reply to  mydrrin
May 7, 2024 7:16 am

‘How to get to a hothouse?’

Re-opening the equatorial seaway and closing the passages between South America and Australia to Antarctica should do it.

mydrrin
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
May 7, 2024 8:16 am

The only place I see to improve is to open the Suez Canal to maybe 50 miles wide. Getting dense warm water that will send rivers of warm water to the bottom of the ocean. One can see the dynamic of the Mediterranean here: https://www.grida.no/resources/5885

Would change the dynamic of the Atlantic and Indian Ocean.

Opening up the Panama would also help but much harder, can be done for sure but many things would have to come into place. Closing the passages is near impossible with today’s technology.

Reply to  mydrrin
May 7, 2024 2:40 pm

“Why are the oceans so darn cold?”
Wrong question 😉 The coldest ocean water is ~270K, still ~15K above the infamous 255K,
and over 90K above the average surface temperature of our moon.
What has warmed them?

When big tropically seas dump large amounts of warm water to the bottom of the ocean”
How do you see warm, lower density water sink 4 km down to the ocean floor?

Reply to  Ben Wouters
May 8, 2024 7:46 am

One possibility is significant surface evaporation leading to an increase in salinity and, therefore, density.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 8, 2024 1:55 pm

Agree, but this warm, saline water does not sink to the ocean floor.
Most extreme example I’m aware of is the Mediterranean Outflow water.
This warm, salty water sinks into the Atlantic, but not much deeper than 2km.
Nowhere near the ocean floor.
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This way the very high ocean floor water temperatures in the Cretaceous can’t be explained imo.

Reply to  Ben Wouters
May 8, 2024 2:04 pm

This is the plot around the equator for comparison:
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mydrrin
Reply to  Ben Wouters
May 8, 2024 8:54 am

Temperature isn’t as important compared to salinity for density. At 4C it is 1.000 g/cm3, at 21C it’s 0.998, at 40C it’s 0.996 g/cm3, a few thousandths density changes. Sea Sea that goes into the Mediterranean is 36.2 in the Atlantic is 1.0273 when it reaches the far side of the Med and drops it reaches 39.1 PSU at 15.5C which is 1.0295 and sinks. Changing the temperature by 5 degrees is a much smaller change. Here is a salinity calculator. https://reefapp.net/en/salinity-calculator.

Reply to  mydrrin
May 8, 2024 1:56 pm

Agree. See my reply to Clyde Spencer above.
Notice that the deep ocean water has the lowest salinity.

Reply to  mydrrin
May 7, 2024 4:00 pm

Then we get colder and colder the deserts start up again as the storm dynamic changes. 

That dynamic is now changing as the NH gets higher peak solar intensity. The shift started 500 years ago. The Mediterranean is already getting warm enough to generate convective storms. These will become more common. The storm in Dubai this year from the earlier warm up of the Arabian Sea. The storm over Lebanon last year. Floods in Pakistan last year. These events will increase in frequency as the NH warms up again.

The atmospheric water vapour is increasing to 0.4mm per decade on global average but much more in the northern tropics.
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The author is wrong on the cause of glaciation. The termination of the current interglacial started 500 years ago. Peak glaciation was 23kyr ago. Warming of the NH along with intense glacier calving meant melting overtook snowfall. There is now very little snow left to melt in the NH apart from Greenland but it has already started to advance again.
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Look at the temperature chart posted in the article. The peak temperature in the current interglacials is actually higher than any of the temperatures during the so-labelled “warmer” period. The wider swings between the control limits indicates bigger swings in accumulated energy. I put that down to separating the Pacific and Atlantic at the tropics due to formation of the Panama isthmus.

May 7, 2024 6:33 am

Are we at a Hothouse tipping point now? The simple answer is “no”. A Hothouse period is simply not possible in our current climate state

I find it amazing that the climate is as stable as it is. A big rock flying around a gigantic nuclear reactor a million times bigger, for billions of years- and the climate all that time has been amazingly stable- but it can’t be perfectly stable such that 1.5 C change is considered the end of the world. You really have to be psychotic to be that fearful- paranoid schizophrenic.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 7, 2024 9:33 am

How did “tipping point” become legitimate in thermodynamics?

It’s a behavioral concept, rare in physics, common in the madness of crowds.

In sociology, a tipping point is a point in time when a group—or many group members—rapidly and dramatically changes its behavior by widely adopting a previously rare practice. Wikipedia

Mr.
Reply to  David Pentland
May 7, 2024 11:49 am

My tipping point is reached when the waitress asks if I want another beer just as I’m about to take my last mouthful.

Let my glass sit for 5 minutes empty without a question from the waitress, and tipping won’t happen.

Reply to  David Pentland
May 7, 2024 2:03 pm

Like witch trials.

May 7, 2024 6:42 am

We are still in the Pleistocene Ice Age — and our future looks cold — because the Interglacial Warm Periods and Glaciations are trending colder.

Reply to  John Shewchuk
May 7, 2024 8:35 am

Also, the CO2 level during Glacial Periods is dangerously low and has been trending lower.

At 150 ppm photosynthesis stops and the land plants die and the land animals die with them, it was only 180 ppm in the last Glacial Period.
https://pioga.org/just-the-facts-more-co2-is-good-less-is-bad

It has been around 12,000 years since the last Glacial Period so a new one may start at any time, the Grand Solar Minimum that has just started may be the trigger for a new Glacia Period to start.

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 9:01 am

Agree will all, except the GSM, from which we are far from seeing … https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/02/18/it-is-time-to-bury-the-grand-solar-minimum-myth/

Reply to  John Shewchuk
May 7, 2024 3:00 pm

It is supposed to last about 35 years and has just started. It should start being felt in a few years.
‘Modern Grand Solar Minimum will lead to terrestrial cooling’ 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243?needAccess=true

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 3:29 pm

That article is a myopic view of the bigger picture. The last GSM was during the Little Ice Age, when the Bray and Eddy solar cycles were at there coldest phases. Both of those cycles are now in their warming phases — which is why we have global warming. The current solar activity shows no indication a coming GSM for quite some time.

Sunspots
Reply to  John Shewchuk
May 7, 2024 4:26 pm

NOAA agrees with her even with the warming hysteria.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/predicted-sunspot-number-and-radio-flux

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 6:12 pm

I’m afraid you didn’t comprehend the Vinos article. So let’s try again …
You will not find any GSM that occurred during the past 10,000 years when the Bray and Eddy solar cycles were warming – as they are today – as documented here … https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Vinos-CPPF2022.pdf

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 6:37 pm

NO it isn’t happening as the cycles are not close to producing one at this time.

John Hultquist
Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 10:29 am

” around 12,000 years since the last Glacial Period

A suggestion: Last Glacial Maximum – Wikipedia

Dates vary by methods and regions. In the Puget Sound/Seattle area the Vashon Glaciation lasted from about 19,000 – 16,000

Reply to  John Hultquist
May 7, 2024 4:20 pm

Vashon Glaciation lasted from about 19,000 – 16,000

Another potential D-O event when the dammed water was suddenly released into the Pacific.

The minimum sea level was 23kyr ago. That is the second last time the NH started getting higher peak solar intensity. The last time was only 500 years ago but there is now 44,000GT less ice on the land surface to melt and that makes it different this time around.

Earth is 160 years from land accumulating ice again as it did 46kyr ago. Then there was 18,000Gt more ice than now. Go back 120kyr and there was the same amount of ice on land as now and the ice started accumulating.

Reply to  John Shewchuk
May 7, 2024 6:38 pm

The Arctic Ocean is getting smaller slowly which means a colder and more permanent ice cap is in our future.

Reply to  Sunsettommy
May 7, 2024 6:49 pm

I agree — but after the Bray and Eddy solar cycles finish their warm phases.

Cycles
strativarius
May 7, 2024 6:43 am

Are we at a Climate crazy tipping point now”?

Venomous snakes likely to migrate en masse amid global heating, says [modelling] study”https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/03/venomous-snakes-migrate-global-heating-study

“Buddha taught us to be happy with less. How does this apply to the climate crisis”?https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/06/buddha-taught-us-to-be-happy-with-less-how-does-this-apply-to-climate-crisis

Human activities are causing world temperatures to rise, with more intense heatwaves and rising sea-levels among the consequences.
Things are likely to worsen in the coming decades, but scientists argue urgent action can limit the worst effects of climate change.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24021772

Nah.

Reply to  strativarius
May 7, 2024 7:30 am

“Buddha taught us to be happy with less. How does this apply to the climate crisis”?

People who’ve always had less have decided they want more!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 7, 2024 10:12 am

What causes war?

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
May 7, 2024 1:00 pm

Because nations are like people.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
May 7, 2024 5:17 pm

… Weakness, and easy target (or simply the appearance of)

… or batshit crazy.

May 7, 2024 6:50 am

The large number of visibly significant ‘D-O’ events throughout the Pleistocene is all the evidence one needs to conclude that feedbacks in the Earth’s climate system are net negative on balance. It takes a peculiar mindset to believe that the Earth’s climate is controlled by CO2, rather that understanding that the system’s net negative feedbacks always work to maintain stasis around set points determined in whole or in part by orbital mechanics, plate tectonics, solar activity, position within the Milky Way, etc.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
May 7, 2024 10:13 am

It is even more a peculiar mindset to claim positive feedback in the climate.

May 7, 2024 7:02 am

A Google search on “Climate tipping point” turns up this Wikipedia article:

          Tipping points in the climate system

A [Ctrl-f] search on “warming” and “cooling” turns
up 79 hits for “warming” and 5 hits for “cooling”

So there you have it, tipping points predominately produce warming.

Curious George
Reply to  Steve Case
May 7, 2024 8:43 am

That’s exactly how fashion works.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Case
May 7, 2024 10:26 am

“Tipping points” can only exist in a world where the climate is dominated by positive feedbacks.
Ours is dominated by negative feedbacks.

ferdberple
May 7, 2024 7:14 am

Look at any deep mine. Temperatures are super hot. Look at the deep ocean of similar depth. Almost freezing. Explain this temperature difference and the effect on climate.

MarkW
Reply to  ferdberple
May 7, 2024 10:28 am

The core of the planet is hot. As you get closer to it, temperatures increase.
Cold water is denser than warm water, so cold water sinks.

That’s why deep mines are hot and deep oceans are cold.
It has no effect on climate.

ferdberple
May 7, 2024 7:21 am

If the deep oceans were the same temperature as deep mines of the same depth, the oceans would be neither heating or cooling the planet. But the oceans are much colder than land of the same depth. Which means the oceans are significantly cooling the planet.

Someone
Reply to  ferdberple
May 7, 2024 9:11 am

If grandma had balls, she would be grandpa.

Oceans are not active devices, they do not heat or cool the planet.
Practically the only source of heating is the Sun, and cooling is radiative.

Oceans are thermostats, they stabilize temperatures.

mydrrin
Reply to  Someone
May 7, 2024 10:05 am

How do you come to this conclusion, it’s the biggest mover of heat on the planet, it makes up 73% of the surface area of the planet, has a heat capacity hundreds of times that of the atmosphere. Atmosphere isn’t much of a mover of heat. How do you think this works?

Europe is 6 degrees warmer than similar latitudes in NA because of the Atlantic moving tropical heat north. Siberia isn’t so cold because of a CO2 anomaly. As the oceans move less and less heat the world gets colder and colder. They are not thermostats. They stabilize by having a huge heat capacity that dwarfs the atmosphere by over 1000x.

When it doesn’t transport heat to the poles we are in an ice age, when it does we are in a hothouse.

MarkW
Reply to  mydrrin
May 7, 2024 10:30 am

As you say, it’s a mover of heat. That’s all.

Reply to  mydrrin
May 7, 2024 10:43 am

I think that “Someone” is referring to the original source of heat on Earth.
Aside from Earth’s core, that’s the Sun.
The oceans react to it.
They help “spread it around”.

Reply to  Gunga Din
May 7, 2024 3:14 pm

Radioactive decay adds a small amount of heat as well.

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 8, 2024 7:55 am

Not so small, as leaving it out led to a significant error in Lord Kelvin’s estimate of the age of the Earth.

Reply to  ferdberple
May 7, 2024 10:21 am

It takes more time to heat or cool water, a liquid, than it does a solid.
Plus warmer water rises while cooler water sinks because cooler water is denser.
(Until the water temp approaches freezing and begins to form hydrogen bonds with other water molecules. Then it becomes less dense. That’s why ice floats.)
Also, water can “move” more easily and form temperature layers more easily than a solid.
Water is a strange molecule. I think any other liquid behaves that way (becoming less dense as a solid).

Reply to  Gunga Din
May 7, 2024 11:47 am

TYPO!
I DON”T think any other liquid behaves that way (becoming less dense as a solid).”

Reply to  Gunga Din
May 7, 2024 6:02 pm

Gallium (it’s the fun one. It melts in our temp range; see the mind spoon bender guy)
Bismuth
Germanium
Silicon
Arsenic (changes even more than water)

and I’m sure some other compounds that I don’t know what they are.

MarkW
Reply to  ferdberple
May 7, 2024 10:29 am

The reason for the temperature difference is different for both land and sea.
This temperature difference has no impact on climate.

Reply to  MarkW
May 7, 2024 3:17 pm

The WMO redefined “climate” to be only 30 years now instead of the thousand to millions of years most people were taught in school.

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 4:35 pm

Basically, it is just 30-year weather which is always changing.

It is very bad for organizations to redefine words and confuse the language.

Reply to  ferdberple
May 7, 2024 2:52 pm

The oceans determine mostly the temperature on earth. Presently the deep oceans are ~275K.
Solar increases the temp. of a shallow surface layer a bit to arrive at the observed surface temperatures.
In the Cretaceous deep ocean temps were up to 295K, explaining the hothouse conditions.
Reason for the high temps large magmatic events like the Ontong Java one.

BenVincent
May 7, 2024 8:05 am

Anyone else look at the picture of the rocks and see the Enterprise?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  BenVincent
May 7, 2024 10:14 am

Must be Corbomite.

Reply to  BenVincent
May 7, 2024 10:23 am

Now that you mention it … 😎

Reply to  Gunga Din
May 7, 2024 11:23 am

PS It looks like the warp engines are out of balance.
(Perhaps if they reversed the polarity…)

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Gunga Din
May 7, 2024 11:57 am

Nonononono…. It’s a tipping point due to CO2 that the nacelles are out of balance.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
May 7, 2024 12:20 pm

And the larger rock (CO2?) is higher than the smaller rock.
They got it backwards again!

iflyjetzzz
Reply to  BenVincent
May 7, 2024 10:52 am

LOL!
.

Reply to  BenVincent
May 8, 2024 7:58 am

What I did notice is that the picture appears to be AI generated. The AI ‘bot doesn’t seem to understand how a beam balances.

May 7, 2024 9:10 am

D-O events are probably the result of occasional, and fortunately rare, plugging of the Denmark Strait with Greenland glacial ice. Stopping the undersea waterfall of cold water that controls the rate at which equatorial upwelling will eventually occur in the Atlantic ocean. OK, very speculative…

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mydrrin
Reply to  DMacKenzie
May 7, 2024 10:17 am

My thoughts are that when it gets cold enough and so little heat it stops most transport to the poles and beings a stratification of the oceans in the tropics that build up heat that way by flowing down dense warm waters during the day that builds up over centuries to millennia to then it reaches a tipping point or change (maybe Milankovitch cycles) and starts moving and melting, where it begins the push down of cold water and the cycling up at the tropics that reservoir of stored warm waters that for a brief period melts much of the ice near the oceans until it runs out of stored heat.

Interglacials are similar in effect but starts with a larger reservoir. The deepest of the ice age preceded this interglacial.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
May 7, 2024 3:35 pm

OK, very speculative…

Likely looking at the correct mechanism. There are more places than just the Denmark Strait. The Baltic is another body that could be dammed and would follow the Denmark Strait; Berring Strait and Davis Strait are others. There are iceberg drag marks in the Greenland region at current depth of 700m.

Sparta Nova 4
May 7, 2024 10:15 am

First it was runaway greenhouse effect.
Then it was runaway global warming.
Then it was catastrophic tipping points.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
May 7, 2024 3:21 pm

Before those it was a new glacial period is stating, back in the late 1960s and early 70s.

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 6:12 pm

..starting..

May 7, 2024 10:18 am

In British blues music, climate change “started” 1968

MarkW
May 7, 2024 10:32 am

Is there any evidence that the solar system moving through the galactic arms has any impact on climate.
I’ve seen speculation that it does, I’ve also seen other experts saying it doesn’t.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  MarkW
May 7, 2024 11:59 am

Everyone claiming it is all caused by CO2…. they deny any kind of orbital mechanics are involved, galactic position, and or solar energy.

Reply to  MarkW
May 7, 2024 12:26 pm

Celestial driver of Phanerozoic climate?

Atmospheric levels of CO2 are com-
monly assumed to be a main driver of
global climate. Independent empirical evi-
dence suggests that the galactic cosmic
ray flux (CRF) is linked to climate variabil-
ity. Both drivers are presently discussed
in the context of daily to millennial varia-
tions, although they should also operate
over geological time scales. Here we ana-
lyze the reconstructed seawater paleotem-
perature record for the Phanerozoic (past
545 m.y.), and compare it with the vari-
able CRF reaching Earth and with the
reconstructed partial pressure of atmo-
spheric CO2 (p2). We find that at least
66% of the variance in the paleotempera-
ture trend could be attributed to CRF vari-
ations likely due to solar system passages
through the spiral arms of the galaxy.
Assuming that the entire residual variance
in temperature is due solely to the CO2
greenhouse effect, we propose a tentative
upper limit to the long-term “equilibrium”
warming effect of CO2, one which is po-
tentially lower than that based on general
circulation models.

Go to page 4

Only because of the press release, Rahmstorf got panic and asked complices to react together and they wrote a paper refuting this thesis because of flawed data, flawed data collection etc. not having seen the paper

Reply to  Krishna Gans
May 7, 2024 3:38 pm

Here is an article by a solar physicist with over 200 publications.
‘Modern Grand Solar Minimum will lead to terrestrial cooling’ 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243?needAccess=true

Here is her profile on ResearchGate
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Valentina-Zharkova

Her website is https://solargsm.com/

Bob Weber
May 7, 2024 10:53 am

“We are at the highest planetary obliquity and eccentricity resulting in this 20k year interglacial period. At these warmer temperatures solar activity changes are muted and give rise to diminished decade to century timescale solar cycle driven events.”

The author is wrong, 30y SST since 1890 to 2010 is perfectly modeled by solar activity changes.

The climate as defined by the 30-year average sea surface temperature is a function of the 109-year sunspot number with an 11-year lag, for a total of 120 years of ocean solar stored energy.
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He also invoked the cosmic ray theory without mentioning Svensmark. His theory doesn’t work.

I suggest climate tipping points in our time are related to solar activity level. The cumulative departure from average (CDA) for these (and other) climate indices respond impressively above a threshold sunspot number. The CDA for Lake Mead mean sea level is in this range, and has rebounded from high solar activity since 2022, sunspot activity much higher than 100±6 SN.
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Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Bob Weber
May 7, 2024 12:01 pm

Perfectly modelled?
That is an oxymoron.

Bob Weber
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
May 7, 2024 12:34 pm

Well when you put it that way…

Reply to  Bob Weber
May 7, 2024 4:17 pm

Here are a few links to the solar physicist Valentina Zharkova’s studies which show how the Sun influences the temperature of the Earth

Modern Grand Solar Minimum will lead to terrestrial cooling 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243?needAccess=true

Here is a link to her website that has her interviews, talks, and publications:
https://solargsm.com/

Here is another link to her publications at ResearchGate. It is a bit easier to look at than her website.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Valentina-Zharkova

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 7, 2024 4:20 pm

It is a bit easier to look at than her website for her publications.

Sparta Nova 4
May 7, 2024 12:01 pm
ni4et
May 7, 2024 12:28 pm

Only tipping point of concern is where climate alarm is driving society.

Bob
May 7, 2024 12:39 pm

Very interesting, visual aids would be helpful.

May 7, 2024 12:40 pm

Great article!
Saddly, out of step with the narrative.
They no longer talk about “tipping points”
They talk about “ecosystem collapse”, “climate collapse”, “biosphere collapse”….
Vague terms that mean nothing. They can neither be substantiated nor disproven.

J Boles
May 7, 2024 12:57 pm

Great article! Cycles upon cycles plus random stuff on top of that, chaotic.

May 7, 2024 3:20 pm

Closer to home however, in another 10k years or so, as earth’s obliquity begins to move lower the planet continues to cool.

The precession cycle dominates the temperature and sea level records. Obliquity and eccentricity modulate the precession cycle. Attached is for change in sea level using Spratt reconstruction. Temperature change is also dominated by precession.

Signal analysis of temperature and sea level have the dominant peak at 23kyr.

Earth started the current glacial cycle 500 years ago. Why do you think the oceans are warming up?

The temperature lags the drop in sea level. The trend is 1C for every 15m drop in sea level. A combination of the lapse and the extent of land ice cover.

The greatest misunderstanding that started with Milankovitch was that glaciation is a consequence of the cold conditions. It is in fact the consequence of warm tropical oceans and cold land. The land gets colder once ice gets stored on it.

Fourier_800kyr
May 7, 2024 6:28 pm

“Tipping point”

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW……….

FACT: NO Lower Troposphere Hot Stop exists.

FACT: NO Positive Feedback Loop exists.

CO2 is near saturation thus negligible WF at the 430 ppm level

AGW conjecture is a failure.

It is more like Tripping point to insanity as there is ZERO evidence of a developing Climate Crisis anywhere.

It is why I stopped reading their modeling bullshit years ago as they lack the needed forecast skill and fails to address the numerous exculpatory contrary evidence to show there is nothing to worry about.

Michael S. Kelly
May 8, 2024 12:16 pm

A viewpoint I came to on fake news a couple of decades ago was recently echoed by Scott Adams, who summarized it more succinctly than I had. It is: “If a news headline is written as a question, the answer is “No.”‘

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