NOAA: Another warm winter likely for western U.S., South may see colder weather Repeat of last year's extremely cold, snowy winter east of Rockies unlikely

Below average temperatures are favored in parts of the south-central and southeastern United States, while above-average temperatures are most likely in the western U.S., Alaska, Hawaii and New England, according to the U.S. Winter Outlook, issued today by NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center.

While drought may improve in some portions of the U.S. this winter, California’s record-setting drought will likely persist or intensify in large parts of the state. Nearly 60 percent of California is suffering from exceptional drought – the worst category – with 2013 being the driest year on record. Also, 2012 and 2013 rank in the top 10 of California’s warmest years on record, and 2014 is shaping up to be California’s warmest year on record. Winter is the wet season in California, so mountainous snowfall will prove crucial for drought recovery. Drought is expected to improve in California’s southern and northwestern regions, but improvement is not expected until December or January.

“Complete drought recovery in California this winter is highly unlikely. While we’re predicting at least a 2 in 3 chance that winter precipitation will be near or above normal throughout the state, with such widespread, extreme deficits, recovery will be slow,” said Mike Halpert, acting director of NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center. “This outlook gives the public valuable information, allowing them to make informed decisions and plans for the season. It’s an important tool as we build a Weather-Ready Nation.”

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El Niño, an ocean-atmospheric phenomenon in the Tropical Pacific that affects global weather patterns, may still develop this winter. Climate Prediction Center forecasters announced on Oct. 9 that the ocean and atmospheric coupling necessary to declare an El Niño has not yet happened, so they continued the El Niño Watch with a 67 percent chance of development by the end of the year. While strong El Niño episodes often pull more moisture into California over the winter months, this El Niño is expected to be weak, offering little help.

The Precipitation Outlook favors above-average precipitation across the southern tier, from the southern half of California, across the Southwest, South-central, and Gulf Coast states, Florida, and along the eastern seaboard to Maine. Above-average precipitation also is favored in southern Alaska and the Alaskan panhandle. Below-average precipitation is favored in Hawaii, the Pacific Northwest and the Midwest.

Last year’s winter was exceptionally cold and snowy across most of the United States, east of the Rockies. A repeat of this extreme pattern is unlikely this year, although the Outlook does favor below-average temperatures in the south-central and southeastern states.

In addition, the Temperature Outlook favors warmer-than-average temperatures in the Western U.S., extending from the west coast through most of the inter-mountain west and across the U.S.-Canadian border through New York and New England, as well as Alaska and Hawaii.

The rest of the country falls into the “equal chance” category, meaning that there is not a strong enough climate signal for these areas to make a prediction, so they have an equal chance for above-, near-, or below-normal temperatures and/or precipitation.

The U.S. Seasonal Drought Outlook, updated today and valid through January, predicts drought removal or improvement in portions of California, the Central and Southern Plains, the desert Southwest, and portions of New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.  Drought is likely to persist or intensify in portions of California, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Oregon and Washington state. New drought development is likely in northeast Oregon, eastern Washington state, and small portions of Idaho and western Montana.

This seasonal outlook does not project where and when snowstorms may hit or provide total seasonal snowfall accumulations. Snow forecasts are dependent upon the strength and track of winter storms, which are generally not predictable more than a week in advance.

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October 16, 2014 9:20 am

Unless the exact opposite happens.

tom s
Reply to  Roy Spencer
October 16, 2014 9:54 am

HAH! Never been a fan of seasonal outlooks myself not to mention seasonal hurricane outlooks. I mean, really…look at the track records of these things. Not good.

Brute
Reply to  Roy Spencer
October 16, 2014 12:35 pm

The exact something else will happen.

Jimmy Finley
Reply to  Roy Spencer
October 16, 2014 3:45 pm

Or something in between! It’s Climate Weirding nowadays: a major promotion for Weather, which was clumping around in its Grandmother’s clothes.

latecommer2014
Reply to  Roy Spencer
October 16, 2014 7:18 pm

Regardless of the govt temp and precip claimed record NOTthel driest record. M

steveta_uk
Reply to  Roy Spencer
October 17, 2014 3:14 am

I’m reminded of a Met Office winter prediction of a few years back. They guessed probabilities at 30% colder, 30% normal, and 40% warmer that average.
Turned out to the the coldest in 50 years. When asked why they had predicted warmer, they said they didn’t – in fact, they gave a 60% probability of it not being warmer!

MrBungled
Reply to  steveta_uk
October 17, 2014 7:45 am

Probability ‘forecasts’ are not forecasts at all, in effect they are inept guesses based on computer models, dumbed down so no matter what happens they can say….see 40% warmer meant 60% colder chance or some deluded crap…allows them to look back and claim whatever happened was within the realm of what they did or didn’t probably say. Then quickly point over there and say look look look…sigh

AJ Virgo
Reply to  Roy Spencer
October 17, 2014 5:29 am

We have the AGW wishlist here.
The polar vortex will not return, drought will not break even if Cali has normal rainfall and drought will develop in many places. Above average temperatures in Alaska, ElNino may still happen yet just wait but if it does this time it will not pull in rain over Cali like it normally does !
Above-average precipitation also is favored in southern Alaska and the Alaskan panhandle which they know by now has a warming effect.

JimS
October 16, 2014 9:23 am

Did NOAA make a prediction for the last winter? It would be interesting to see how accurate it was.

Reply to  JimS
October 16, 2014 4:34 pm

It’s here: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2013/20131121_winteroutlook.html
They didn’t predict much of anything last year except for more of the California drought. (It is always a safe bet that a drought is more likely to continue than to end — as with anything that lasts multiple years and will officially end in only a single year.) They said, reasonably enough, that winters are hard to predict without some El Nino/Nina action going on to point a direction. They did not predict the severe circumpolar winter that happened, but in fairness, they did warn that such circumpolar action is hard to predict.
So, they swung and missed last year, but were more honest about how likely they were to fail.
This year they seem to be betting the farm on an El Nino that may well let them down.

Reply to  Bill Adams (@writesbynight)
October 17, 2014 12:31 am

A small gem of information that might be useful to the forecasters is that it always rains after a drought.

October 16, 2014 9:29 am

Now, Jim, what difference does it make if they screwed up last winter’s forecast?

JimS
Reply to  Roy Spencer
October 16, 2014 9:34 am

Well I found it. Google is a miracle is it not?
Last winter prediction by NOAA: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2013/20131121_winteroutlook.html
Notable section:
The Temperature Outlook favors:
•Below-average temperatures in the Northern Plains and the Alaskan Panhandle.
•Above-average temperatures in the Southwest, the South-Central U.S., parts of the Southeast, New England and western Alaska.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  JimS
October 16, 2014 11:21 am

So was that correct?

JimS
Reply to  JimS
October 16, 2014 11:34 am

Well Jim Cooley, “above-average temperatures” in the south east and New England? – remember the “polar vortex” of last winter? It was so cold and snowy last winter that the US economy suffered very badly for the weather.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  JimS
October 16, 2014 11:44 am

Jim, I’m in England.

joshv
October 16, 2014 9:33 am

I thought we were pretty much at coin flipping level of accuracy for predicting weather out anything more than 15 days – how does this prediction work? What is it’s historical accuracy?

Mike
October 16, 2014 9:36 am

I vote with the squirrels weather predictions at my old mom’s house and the ants at mine.
My 85 year old mom has again noted, as she did last year, that there is not an acorn remaining on the ground. She has a lot of trees that drop them. Usually, by this time of year near Chicago, there are plenty of excess acorns ramining when she rakes up the leaves. In thirty years, last year was the only year since 1967 that she had so much cold and snow for so long.
Me, I have lived in Las Vegas the past few years. We have been invaded by small ants in August and they are still coming. Ants everywhere, even if there is not a spottable food souce that I can see. It happened last year, but never like this in previous years. It was unusually cool last year in Vegas, with 19 degrees at night in January and all of my plants got severe frost damage. Severe plant damage all over the valley, especially Oleander plants.
I don’t know too much about the Farmers Alamanc and how they predict…but I think these creatures know this is gonna be another cold year…because there are no acorns remaining, and the ants are stocking up. It seems to me we are back in the cycle we were when I grew up in Chicago, where we had “snow days” because it was 14 below zero and our hands stuck to the car door handles, day after day.

Scarlett
Reply to  Mike
October 16, 2014 11:52 am

Mike – I don’t know which Las Vegas you lived in last year, but our winter was exceptionally mild, excepting for a few weeks around Thanksgiving. I can find no record of your January of 2014 being that cold. The previous year 2013 might have been – that was when pools froze over, but last winter in Vegas was wonderful. So perhaps you’re jumping back too far.

jpatrick
Reply to  Scarlett
October 16, 2014 12:42 pm

Don’t read too much in to how many excess acorns you or your mother see. That probably has more to do with how many acorns the trees produced in the first place, and it varies considerably in a cyclic manner.

Mike
Reply to  Scarlett
October 16, 2014 12:46 pm

I live in Summerlin at 3000 ft. The bottom of the valley is 5-8 degrees warmer. I had ice on my pool this year and last year…had to keep the pump running all night.

eyesonu
Reply to  Mike
October 16, 2014 1:18 pm

Mike, don’t place any prediction on the acorns predicting a cold (or mild) winter. Heavy and extended rain during a critical time of blooming, pollination, or some other cause will cause an acorn failure. You may live in an area with frequent storm front \passing through at that critical biological moment (a week or so maybe) and end up with a mast failure where you are but a break in the front (rain) may leave a heavy crop in an area only a few miles away. In the mountains you have a better chance of an acorn crop somewhere (possibly less overall per geographic area) due to the seasonal difference in elevation. In the mid Atlantic just hope for little rain in May. By the way, a mast failure one year can lead to very few squirrels the next in heavily forested areas without adequate clearcut operations that produce alternate mast.

PeterC
Reply to  eyesonu
October 16, 2014 10:56 pm

Very technical eyesore but if your point is that animals don’t have a better idea of likely weather than we do you need to get closer to nature.

Randy in Ridgecrest
Reply to  Mike
October 16, 2014 8:01 pm

I don’t think you can count on ants as an indicator – it could be they are simply increasing no matter what the upcoming winter is going to be like. Making a run for it – they see an opportunity and they go for it.
I conduct war on ants on a regular basis. Once my plot is well and truly infested I systematically take out their queens with Amdro till my 2.5 acres are clear of colonies. But I have to stop at the fence line, and they are always there … waiting lurking milling around. Activity dies down somewhat in the cold months but then there is that relentless advance.

bob
Reply to  Randy in Ridgecrest
October 21, 2014 11:28 am

Ants are a trailing indicator — if it gets really cold it kills them.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Mike
October 16, 2014 8:21 pm
JimS
October 16, 2014 9:38 am

The Farmers Almanacs, both of them, give rather different predictions from NOAA – at least in the area near where I live. Although, that “equal chance” qualification reminds me of the ironic predictions of the Delphi Oracle.

October 16, 2014 9:48 am

My fire bushes started turning red in late July, located in Seattle. Leaves also started dropping early in my yard. My SWAG it is going to be a cold winter here… (Scientific wild-a$$ed guess).

Robert of Ottawa
October 16, 2014 9:48 am

Forget these jokers. Get the Farmer’s Almanac forecast.

Editor
Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
October 16, 2014 5:43 pm

Being in New Hampshire, I have to recommend the Old Farmer’s Almanac.
They’re the one that printed a long article by Joe D’Aleo predicting we’re entering a period of cooling.

Two Labs
October 16, 2014 9:51 am

Aren’t these the same folks who predicted dire hurricane seasons the past 7 years?

rah
Reply to  Two Labs
October 16, 2014 10:25 am

Actually in 2013 they did predict a well above average season and even held that prediction with their final update. Quite embarrassing IF it were possible to embarrass those hacks. But for 2014 they actually predicted a “near normal” or “below normal” Atlantic hurricane season and it appears they are well within hand grenade range this time.

Two Labs
October 16, 2014 9:51 am

Aren’t these the same folks who predicted dire hurricane seasons the past 7 years?

BBould
October 16, 2014 9:54 am

This is too funny, made me spit out my coffee!

mwhite
October 16, 2014 10:07 am

NOAA getting their forecasts from Weatherbell???

Ethan Brand
October 16, 2014 10:07 am

I’m looking at the winter forecasts from Weather Bell, Accuweather, Old Farmers Almanac and this new NOAA:
Very (very) generally the forecasts:
West Midwest New England/Northeast South (west mostly)
WB Dry Mild Dry, average/cold Wet average/cold Wet Cold
Accu Dry Mild Dry, cold Wet average/cold Wet Cold
OLD FA Dry Mild Dry cold Wet cold Wet Cold
NOAA Dry Mild Dry average average warm Wet Cold
Everybody lines up for the West and south west, in general, NOAA is different for the new england area.
Sure would like to see a nice analysis on how each of the “major (popular) seasonal forecasts do over many years. I like Weather Bell the most mostly because they go to great lengths to explain what/how they are developing the forecast, and how it compares to others. On the other hand, I also like any forecast that forecasts cold and snow! (I’m in the midwest).

Tom O
Reply to  Ethan Brand
October 16, 2014 11:19 am

Interesting. The Saturday updates by Joe Bastardi on Weatherbell have indicated that they expect a repeat of last year or worse for the Midwest, or at least, that’s what I “thought” I heard. you’re saying they are calling for a mild winter in the midwest?

Reply to  Tom O
October 16, 2014 11:52 am

That’s what I heard too. maybe Joe Bastardi will clear that up this Saturday.

Ethan Brand
October 16, 2014 10:08 am

Oh well, my nice attempt to format a table didn’t translate!

Paul
Reply to  Ethan Brand
October 16, 2014 10:10 am

Don’t fret, it looks “homogenized”…

Ethan Brand
Reply to  Paul
October 16, 2014 10:15 am

Oh great, I can become an expert in temperature analysis!

October 16, 2014 10:08 am

I wonder what it is going to be like in MN this year. Sketchy fall so far.

kenw
Reply to  JessWoo
October 16, 2014 1:23 pm

MN? I’m betting cold. For this Texian, below 50f is defined as cold, below 40f is bitter cold so I’ve got great odds.

Reply to  kenw
October 16, 2014 1:28 pm

Ha! In MN 30 and 40 is t shirt weather!!!

TomT
October 16, 2014 10:18 am

I don’t know about the rest of the forecast, but the temperature and precip forecasts for the Northeast don’t seem to take into account the temperature of the great lakes. Starting off colder than normal, that’s likely to keep nearby and downwind areas colder than normal, and if the lake surface freezes over faster, then the downwind areas will also be drier than normal.

brians356
October 16, 2014 10:21 am

Why don’t they simply open this year’s Farmer’s Almanac? It’s at least as accurate in predicting the weather as watching bird flocks or raising your wet finger over your head, which is pretty much what these forecasts are. Does anyone ever review these forecasts at the end of the winter and score them? Didn’t think so.

October 16, 2014 10:35 am

I can’t predict the weather for this winter but I do predict that, rather than forecast, we’ll only hear about the worst of it on The Weather Channel.
“Calamitous climate change has produced Winter Flurry ‘Al’ over Atalanta….”

October 16, 2014 10:44 am

When you say 40% chance of “warmer”, do you also mean 60% chance of “colder”? Or is that 40% chance of “no change” and 20% chance of “colder”?
The BS meter is pegging right.

looncraz
Reply to  Doug Proctor
October 16, 2014 11:01 am

It’s the increased probability over equal chance.

Richard
October 16, 2014 10:54 am

Another warm winter? Like last winter?

Robert W Turner
October 16, 2014 11:03 am

“This outlook gives the public valuable information, allowing them to make informed decisions and plans for the season. It’s an important tool as we build a Weather-Ready Nation.”
ROFLMAO!!! So despite the fact that your predictions are wrong most of the time this is still considered valuable information? Chicken Little gave some valuable information too didn’t he?

RalphB
October 16, 2014 11:09 am

I don’t get it. NOAA is predicting the weather 2-5 months in advance and so they’re calling this thing the Climate Prediction Center? But an 18-year pause in global warming, that’s not climate?
Hmm. Maybe there is more funding for a climate prediction than a weather prediction, you think?

Alx
October 16, 2014 11:24 am

Various AGW climate predictions have stated it will be warmer, cooler, or no change in termperature, along with wetter, dryer or the same precipitation. And look at the maps, NOAA agrees exactly; hotter, colder, wetter, dryer, no change.
AGW enthusisasts will just have to trot this out as proof of the uncanny accuracy of AGW climate predictions.

Joe Bastardi
October 16, 2014 11:31 am

Very different from our idea. Is anyone going to ask them what has happened to the past 5 winters, 3 major cold, one late starting but made up for it 2cnd half ( 12-13), and yes one warm? I refuse to criticize NOAA or anyones FORECAST but wonder why no one has questioned them on last year. I know after the winter of 11-12, which I had a normal winte forecast r and said I was not at all sure about it, I was taken to the woodshed when it was warm
Keep in mind PROBABILITIES ARE NOT A FORECAST. They are guidance. A forecast, as we display has the deviation from average in temperature and the snowfall amounts. a probability is not a weather metric, but TOOL to arrive at the answer. As for it being guidance, that is fine, but call it that
In any case, their idea looks like the blend of ALL enso events, and as followers OF JOE D and I know enso events vary depending on strength, position of warmest water, and may other surrounding factors. We have honed in on our forecasts.. clients are seeing it now, it will be on premium soon, but we certainly did not back off on the main message.. a snowier/colder than normal winter for much of the US rockies east.. and midway between what we consider the warmest option…a normal winter, and the coldest option, which would be similar to a blend of the 3 worst winters in the late 70s. Will be on the premium site in several days
Their idea certainly is a test of the N Hem snowfall idea as it is threatening to break the 1976 October record and is above last year

Barry
Reply to  Joe Bastardi
October 16, 2014 11:39 am

Probabilities are a probabilistic forecast, as opposed to a deterministic (or “best estimate”) one. Both give information, or guidance, and can be complementary. At the very least, they should be consistent.

Reply to  Joe Bastardi
October 16, 2014 11:48 am

I don’t want another Blizzard of ’78!
As an aside, I hope you are documenting their forecast versus yours. After the fact it could be a valid selling point.
PS Any advise on what would be a good snow blower? 😎

Reply to  Gunga Din
October 16, 2014 2:34 pm

I use a 42 inch wide 21 inch intake height 23 HP kohler with deestone super lugs for tires 🙂

Choey
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 19, 2014 10:51 am

I use the teenager down the street….

Reply to  Joe Bastardi
October 16, 2014 12:46 pm

Agree that NOAA is putting the most weight on ENSO. Their forecast mirrors probabilities for a typical moderate El Nino event.
There are some natural cycles that influenced our Winters in the warm direction in the 80’s/90’s that turned around a decade ago and are having the opposite influence now(which should continue for another 2 decades or so).
The Winters of 2009/10 and 2013/14 were the two coldest since the 1970’s I think. We will see a few more very cold Winters ahead……….with Winters, on average, much colder than those of the 890’s/90/s for the next 2 decades…………but mild Winters, like the one of 2011/12 will happen and be impossible to pin point.
Snow in the Northern hem./Euroasia may be piling up early this year but this only intensifies cold outbreaks, especially early in the Winter farther south with meridional flow. If the source region of the air masses isn’t coming from the Arctic/high latitudes, it can be colder than a Witches T up there, while zonal flow dominates and keeps up mild.
The other thing that can happen in the Arctic with this early snow scenario, is that unlike last Winter, when air masses were steered by the “Siberian Express” jet stream, with a deep(Polar) vortex becoming entrenched downstream at times, thus flushing out cold in Siberia/the Arctic before it can brew/grow from continual heat loss under complete darkness…..is that cold air masses can be allowed to intensify long enough(undisturbed and not moderated by less cold air replacing the departing cold) to become quite formidable when they do become dislodged, moving southward.
N.Pacific Ocean temps have been anomalously warm(favorable for upper ridging and downstream troughing, aimed at the Eastern US) but anomalies have weakened during the last month.
Last Winter at this time(mid October) weather models(going out 2 weeks) had no clue that the pattern would turn to sharply colder. I t was the European model in early November that suddenly caught on to the pattern before the other models.
Natural gas prices collapsed the last 2 weeks in October 2013, with market expectations of a mild November, spiking to a bottom very early on the morning of Nov 5th. That’s when the European model led the pack of models picking up the new pattern………a huge ridge in the Northeast Pacific/Siberia with downstream troughing and air masses traveling via the jet stream/steering currents linking them.

redc1c4
October 16, 2014 11:31 am

funny, last year in my part of #Failifornia was one of the coolest summers i’ve ever lived through here… this summer has only been a little warmer.
not sure what body part they got the “warmest ever” from, but i can guess.

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