SOTU Open Thread – what freaky climate claims will POTUS make tonight?

While the most recent public polls on climate-change give a ho-hum response, Dr. Roy Spencer recently surmised that in the State of the Union Address tonight, President Obama will join the “everything is caused by global warming” club. He writes:

I predict that, despite the brutally cold weather in DC this Tuesday, Obama will preach on climate change in his State of the Union address. I predict he will even use the cold weather as evidence to support his case.

During his address it looks like there will be a wintry mix starting across the southern reaches of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, and the Florida panhandle. I wouldn’t be surprised if he uses the event as evidence of human-caused climate change.

For those of us old enough to remember, similar events happened back in the epic cold winters of the 1970s. Many instances of snow falling in Florida in the 1800s surely weren’t due to humans. Believe it or not, more snow tends to go with colder weather, not warmer. Go figure.

Sounds plausible, rational, and factually based. Of course, the SOTU is all about politics, so we’ll have none of that.

In other related news, that National Journal Reports:

Public to Obama, Congress: Climate Action Is No Big Deal This Year

An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that 27 percent believe that addressing climate change should be an “absolute priority” in 2014.

Forty-one percent put the topic in the “can be delayed until next year” bucket, according to the poll conducted January 22-25 and released Tuesday.

In contrast, 91 percent say job creation should be a top priority, reducing the deficit comes in at 74 percent, and 63 percent say ensuring all children have access to preschool should be in the “absolute priority for this year” category.

A separate Pew Research Center poll finds that 29 percent of respondents want global warming to be a “top priority” for Obama and Congress this year, while 31 percent call it an “important but lower priority.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/public-to-obama-congress-climate-action-is-no-big-deal-this-year-20140128

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I won’t be able to listen to/watch the SOTU address, as I’m traveling today, so readers will have to dissect and post memorable quotes here for discussion.

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84 thoughts on “SOTU Open Thread – what freaky climate claims will POTUS make tonight?

  1. If you are going to lie, you might as well make it a big one.

    Big Lie, German: Große Lüge, is the expression coined by Adolf Hitler

    For real it was Hitler…

  2. I won’t be watching the SOTU address because I will be watching snow fall outside my window. Falling snow is much more interesting than a one-sided speech where half the audience claps every other sentence, the other half sits in protest of what was said, and everyone in attendance knows that every word is a lie.

  3. _ Throwing taxpayer money at clean energy projects (headed by major Democrat fundraisers and bundlers) is an “investment.”
    _ Carbon pollution is destroying our environment and baking our planet.
    _ We must act now.
    _ Other countries are throwing their money down a big green hole and we must throw away more or fall behind.
    _ If Congress won’t act, I will.

  4. If I were making the case, it would be: “…look at California– record-breaking drought, crops threatened, reservoirs going dry…Obviously global warming..BTW, probably screwing up the jetstream which is causing the record cold to the east…have to study that…”

  5. Considering his buddy Tom Steyer the billionaire (who made his money in oil) is funding an anti Canadian oil pipeline commercial during the the speech, I’d say the odds are pretty good that he’ll throw in some the warming is creating the arctic temperature rhetoric. Maybe a little the ice is melting and the oceans are flooding thrown in for good measure. Then a whole bunch of how the “global temperature has increased point something degrees in the last 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 years.

  6. For the love of God, would the President (or anyone else for that matter) please tell us just how the blankety blank climate is changing that is such a concern to him?

  7. Just remember that Barack Obama said while campaigning for office that “Electricity prices will necessarily sky rocket.”

    He will implement a number of executive actions with his pen, without congress, to drive electricity rates higher. Anyone taking bets?

  8. Make sure you call your Congress Critters tomorrow and ask sticky questions to remind them you are not a sheeple.

    My list:

    What is your stand on Global Warming?
    What is your stand on Global Governance?
    What is your stand on selling US Technology to China?
    What is your stand on China’s growing aggression?
    What is your stand on China’s antibiotic resistant bacteria in sewage sludge spread on fields? link
    What is your stand on China’s processing chicken for the USA?

    Never too soon to figure out whether you want to vote for the hog or vote for a new little piglet.

  9. Listen to him?

    WHY?

    Maybe…. he will claim some neat stuff like this:

    His parents met for the first time AFTER he was born. Mm, hm.

  10. “… aaand I promise that our journey along the shining path of social and climate justice is nearing its end and all the workers of the world will unite under a common banner…”

  11. I will not be watching the SOTU. I live comfortably without TV, it’s the mind-sucker and little death of intelligence. I enjoyed hearing the SOTU characterized as “a disturbance in the farce.”

  12. Somewhere he’ll say something along the lines of, “We’ve done much to combat these extreme weather events we are now experiencing. But other nations have not followed our example. If other nations won’t do their part then it is up to us, The US, the leader of the Free World, to make up for their lack of vision. Therefore I am making a special appointment to the newly formed Ultra-Department of Education. Richard Windsor’s first and primary task will be to show us all how to [make] tools out of flint.”
    (Of course, his wording may be different.)

  13. Is there any chance the President will finally make a decision on the Keystone Pipeline?

    Probably not. It would look bad to announce another pivot to jobs in the same speech where you kill jobs for no good reason except to make the fringe left happy. He’ll likely wait until after this fall’s elections to do that out of fear of losing the Senate to Republicans.

  14. I don’t know what “Pres B.O.” will be talking about but I will watch and it is certain to live up to that acronym
    Likely the overwhelming proof of continued rising temperatures, how this decade will be the hottest on record, how americans need to act now or feel the heat tomorrow, and likely about how effective the Obamacare plan is working.

  15. PaulH says: “I won’t be watching the SOTU address. I am Canadian, so I’ll be watching hockey.”
    Tonight a lot of us will temporarily be Canadians…
    /sarc

  16. “Big lie – Grosse Lüge”: Just for the record – not that I think the Hitler card needs to be drawn – it was his propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels who coined the phrase “The size of a lie is a factor of its acceptance – “In der Grösse einer Lüge liegt ein Faktor des Geglaubtwerdens”, (And no, I am not a German historian – but it helps to be a Norwegian attending high school around 1960, when English, German and French were compulsary foreign languages.)

  17. I wandered over to TalkingPointsMemo and found no speculation that the climate or pipeline would feature significantly in the speech.

  18. Dave says: “… would the President … please tell us just how the blankety blank climate is changing that is such a concern to him?”
    Climate change is not a concern to B.O. B.O. is using Climate Change as excuse to drive his Socialist Changes.
    People need a reason (valid or not) to motivate them to support actions (regardless of appropriateness).

  19. I have just made a shot “special” shot glass for the occasion and have a bit of scotch and a real miniature iceberg floating in it. It will be consumed and re-filled every time POTUS says “clean energy”, “renewable energy” or ‘climate change”.

    That said, I plan on getting a bit tipsy during the SOTU. I would challenge those who are supporters of this AGW scam to take me up on this challenge. You drink with the words ‘I’ or Me”.

    See you in the morning,

  20. “… what freaky climate claims will POTUS make tonight?”

    The president will tell us that only strong and decisive action by the central governent of the state can save us from the ravages of CO2 and the greedy actions of the evil businessmen of the nation. He will tell us that his tryranical actions are for our own good and that we should thank him for enslaving and impoverishing us.

    Either that or he will tell us that the beatings will continue until moral improves.

  21. Sort of reminiscent of King Canute. The King bit it very appropriate now that Himself has discovered that he has a PEN and will use it to decree his whims and follies.

  22. As a Brit I read SOTU POTUS as some sort of drunken marine cephalopod… but as this is the internet I still have an opinion.

    Obama will give a single slight reference to the climate as a marker.

    But then he will duck the issue for fear of ridicule from those who would forever remember that very cold day as “The President’s Darn Cold”.

  23. I doubt he will be able to resist a little jab at the skeptics. This cold snap, has to burn the ego.
    It will be something like: “Climate armageddon is too important, to wait for Congress to act, so the EPA will enforce “carbon-pollution” regulations, to safeguard the world for future generations.”

  24. @ louis
    He will make a comment against Keystone
    His billionaire supporter is paying for an anti-Keystone comercial tonight to fight its approval
    They would rather have Saudi conflict oil than our maple syrup variety
    They would rather have towns burndown in train derailments than it running it in new (as opposed to old) pipelines

  25. M Courtney says: @ January 28, 2014 at 3:03 pm
    …. he will duck the issue for fear of ridicule from those who would forever remember that very cold day….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    At this time only four US states have temperatures above freezing. California, Nevada, Arizona and Hawaii

    However:
    Taos, New Mexico will go down to 14° F tonight
    Window Rock, Arizona will go down to 24° F (-4° C) tonight
    Lake City, California will go down to 38° F tonight and 31° F tomorrow

    So yes it is a great time to tell folks in the USA all about Global Warming.

  26. He will connect the deep freeze currently going on in the US with Climate Change(tm).

    Also, in spite of his $6M net worth, he will demonize the wealthy, the 1%, and claim the gap between rich and poor is widening.

  27. clipe says: @ January 28, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    I’m wondering if there will be a reprise

    http://members.shaw.ca/wellandwx/blizzard77.htm

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Go grief, I remember that storm I was living between Buffalo and Rochester NY at the time.

    (We have light snow now with 5 inches forecast. We normally get snow ~ once every five years)

  28. Re Obama: remember it is more important to look sincere, as opposed to actually being sincere.

    That’s how you can look straight faced while saying, “Today’s cold is proof of global warming,”

  29. Hmmm … Obooboo’s gonna talk a lot … I’m sure I can find something that’s even more intelligent on the ‘net … maybe tune in the Cartoon Network … meanwhile, all those Wash., DC clowns will go on imagining that they’re running things and taking care of all their peons … arrogant little twits …

  30. 1-3/4 inches of White “Global Warming” Shuts Down Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport

    The (light) snow around Atlanta started about 11:00 AM, schools were shutdown at 1:00, but nobody down can drive in anything white. People are taking 3-4 hours to get from downtown to even the expressway around Atlanta I-285.

    One baby was delivered on the side of Loop 285 – parents couldn’t get to the hospital.

    Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport had a “ground stop” from about 15:00 (3:00 pm) to 17:30. It’s now just lifted, but the planes aren’t taking off yet. That will plug all arriving flights for many more hours.

    Very large number of school buses are still on the road – Still stuck at the bottom of hills they can’t get up, or blocked at intersections because the rest of the traffic can’t get through the same plugged intersections. They may stop at other schools and stay overnight.

  31. Where is the “White Witch” when we need her? A single wave of the wand, that’s all we need. Azlan could just stay on vacation for…what, 2 more years?

  32. “Despite the warmest temperatures on record and the increased severity of weather events, I will continue the time honored tradition of jetting off to Hawaii every 3 weeks on Air Force One to add to my record number of rounds of golf. My predecessor, who is to blame for the horrible economy the past 6 years, only played 29 rounds but stopped because of the Iraq war. I have no such compunction. Record number of food stamp recipients will not stop me. Spying on allies will not stop me. Benghazi will not stop me. Global warming will not stop me. You elected me, now enjoy my radical marxist agenda. And if you open your mouth, I will send the IRS after you, your family and your company.”

  33. who does the urging?

    29 Jan: Bloomberg: Dean Scott: Obama Urged to Act Alone on Climate If Congress Unwilling to Pass Legislation
    The president should “reaffirm his commitment to the aggressive timetable and agenda he laid out a year ago, especially with regard to regulating greenhouse gas emissions from existing power plants,” according to Ned Helme, president of the Center for Clean Air Policy…
    Dan Weiss, a senior fellow on energy and environment for the Center for American Progress, said he expects Obama to use his address to Congress to point to his administration’s progress in setting greenhouse gas limits for cars and light trucks, the ongoing boom in natural gas that has helped curtail U.S. emissions and improved energy efficiency.
    “Then I expect he would talk briefly about implementing his climate action plan” Weiss told Bloomberg BNA, adding that Obama may remind Congress that he launched the array of executive branch actions only after Congress failed to heed his call for action in his February 2013 State of the Union address…
    While there is little hope of congressional action on climate change in the near-term, “President Obama still has the bully pulpit,” Angela Anderson, the Union of Concerned Scientists’ climate and energy program director, wrote in a Jan. 24 blog post. “He has only just begun using it in earnest to mobilize the nation on climate change, but it is beginning to work,” she wrote, noting that there are only a few moments a year, including his address to Congress, “when the president can traditionally command our attention when it comes to important issues.”
    “Taking climate seriously—and talking about it publicly—can go a long way toward helping the nation understand the facts and the risks that come with a warming world,” Anderson wrote.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-28/obama-urged-to-act-alone-on-climate-if-congress-unwilling-to-pass-legislation.html

  34. I wont be watching [no need to] but it would be funny if he did a “Blazing Saddles” and exclaim to all, “Excuse me while I whoop dis out.” And lay a bong on the lectern. :-D

  35. Don’t forget O is just a puppet. They can take him out whenever they want. Why do you think he has so many armed men around him? He doesn’t have a chance and he knows that. That’s why he is sweating so much. One wrong word and he is history.

  36. Oh, Ohhhhhh! Big O! He’s going to announce he’s signing an Ex-O mandating a Minimum wage of $10.50 for all “gummit” (sorry J.C., but he reminds me so much…of you!) contractors.

    Then, they are going to spend a MILLION dollars, trying to find a “gummit contractor” paid less than that.

    [Ex-o is an Executive Order. A non-legistlation-approved "regulation" by executive degree. Mod]

  37. RACookPE1978 says: @ January 28, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    1-3/4 inches of White “Global Warming” Shuts Down Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport

    The (light) snow around Atlanta started about 11:00 AM, schools were shutdown at 1:00, but nobody down can drive in anything white….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The problem is the lack of training in driving in snow. The lack of snow tires or chains (I have chains for my truck even though I am in mid NC) and the lack of any sanding/salting equipment.

    Here in NC we get a lot of D@mn Yankees from up north who hit the road in this weather and end up upside down in the medium strip.

    The worst is when the snow turns to ice and then you get another layer of snow on top. The Blizzard of 77 was like that in the Rochester NY area. I slide through the stop sign at the end of the street on to the main highway every day for a week or more no matter how I inched up to the stop sign. Scared me to death!

  38. Obamas increasing use of executive orders will I hope chill independent voters. Those like me who chose sides a long time ago will do what we will do. Those not afflicted with the partisan bug are the prize in the US.

    On climate as on economics and healthcare The President follows his ideology. If the Left shifts he shifts. To quote Albert Gore “There has to be a political price on climate change denial” I couldn’t agree more Al. We are working hard to make sure that LOTUS and You pay it.

  39. WaPo’s SOTU piece? hilariously, Robinson quotes Chris Turney’s boss, Sherwood, to make his case!

    28 Jan: WaPo: Eugene Robinson: Dire signs from a warming world
    Another insane cold wave — not the infamous “polar vortex ” but its evil twin — is bringing sub-zero and single-digit temperatures to much of the nation. And global warming may be even more extreme, and potentially more catastrophic, than climate scientists had feared.
    This is, of course, no contradiction. The rallying cry of the denialists — “It’s really cold outside, so global warming must be a crock!” — can be taken seriously only by those with a toddler’s limited conception of time and space. They forget that it’s winter, and apparently they don’t quite grasp that even when it’s cold in one part of the world, it can be hot in another…
    Why is it getting warmer? There’s still just one explanation that fits the available facts: Since the Industrial Revolution, the large-scale burning of fossil fuels has increased the concentration of heat-trapping carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by an incredible 40 percent.
    And according to an important new study, published Jan. 2 in the journal Nature, the eventual effect of human-generated carbon emissions could be greater than anticipated. Because of the impact of warming on cloud cover, the researchers calculated, average global temperatures could rise a full 7 degrees by the end of the century. This “would likely be catastrophic rather than simply dangerous,” the study’s lead author, Steven Sherwood of the University of New South Wales in Australia, told the Guardian newspaper….
    President Obama, who understands the science, should use his executive powers as best he can, not just to reduce carbon emissions but also to prepare the country for confronting the environmental, political and military hazards of a warmer world.
    The day will come, I predict, when world leaders are willing, even desperate, to curb greenhouse gases. But by then, I’m beginning to fear, it will probably be too late.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-global-warmings-impact-cant-be-ignored/2014/01/27/b5917594-8792-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html

  40. I’ll miss the SOTU unfortunately. I’ll be busy stuffing attic insulation into my underwear. While wearing it…

  41. The Idiot-in-Chief aka der Fuehrer presses on with his claims of the world getting hotter and hotter, while even so cautious an observer as Dr. Judith Curry speaks of how the talk is “no longer about the ‘pause,’ but about the cooling since 2002″.

    Climate Depot has a whole long list of articles by any number of researchers (the genuine article, not der Fuehrer’s “research grant” paid propagandists) as to the cooling now in prigress and expected to deepen and last for anywhere from 30 to 250 years.

    And to think this sort of criminal idiocy is behind, among other things, der Fuehrer’s preference to buy oil from Middle Eastern hatemongers, instead of our most valued ally, Canada (the Keystone). How can anyone possibly rationalize that decision as in the national interest? Not to mention a gratuitous slap in the face to our most supportive world partner.

  42. Why, with all this cold he could claim victory over global warming. Would not be that nice? The war on sea is already won.

  43. Due to a snowstorm last week, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick (D) Ma., who originally comes from Chicago (and is really good friends with O), is having his State of the State address as I write this. I expect the same content will come from the SOTU.

    Will post link to the SOTS address in the morning for comparison.

    “Enron guys, smartest guys in the room”.

  44. Why fuss about what he says? He is the figure head propped up for you to adore or revile while the Big Money boys and assorted other creeps who brought us the Global Financial Crisis, the Iraq War, and the various other disasters that have killed or otherwise screwed the rest of us, carry on their rampage.

  45. ossqss says:
    January 28, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    I believe he will blame the cold weather on George Bush !

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    You haven’t been around here very long have you. Cold weather is Al Gore’s fault.

  46. Public Radio weighs in:

    28 Jan: PRI: Peter Thomson: After a starring role in 2013, look for just a climate change cameo in this year’s State of the Union
    Look for climate talk to have a lower profile for in this year’s State of the Union address
    Seven paragraphs. That’s how much of last year’s State of the Union address President Barack Obama devoted to climate change and related issues.
    It was a huge amount of time for any issue, short of war or the economy, and to some it seemed to signal a new emphasis on an issue that many felt had lingered in the shadows of this administration far too long…
    But he also all but acknowledged the futility of that plea, and promised the administration would move on its own, and not wait for Congress.
    Which it did, in June, when Obama unveiled his climate action plan, a list of measures the administration could take unilaterally, without Congressional approval. Among other things, it promised tighter regulations on coal-fired power plants, a high environmental bar for evaluating the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, and to start taking climate change into account in everything government does.
    Well, that was last year. This is this year, and if you want to hear what the president has to say about climate change now, I’d suggest you don’t leave the living room even for a fresh bowl of chips.
    Maybe it’s because he doesn’t really think the problem is as serious as he suggested last year, but I chalk it up to the realities of politics and the way this particular concern oozes in and out of the public’s mind, even as it gets inexorably worse…
    As a rule, State of the Union speeches are driven more by the politics of the moment than by difficult long-term issues. Climate change by its very nature is mostly a drip, drip, drip of bad news and incrementally more urgent warnings that it’s getting really serious, and that the time to deal with it is running out. Occasionally a single riveting event like Sandy focuses Americans’ minds on it, but the moment passes and more acute issues and concerns again push it off the country’s to-do list…
    And what about the one really big, extremely charged climate-related issue the president will have to face this year, the decision on the Keystone Pipeline that would bring oil from the tar sands of Canada to the Midwest? …
    But don’t expect the president to bring it up tonight. There’s just nothing in it for him politically…
    Of course, Keystone won’t be entirely out of the spotlight tonight. Tom Steyer, the zillionaire environmentalist who’s trying to be the sort of liberal counterweight to the Koch brothers in terms of injecting big money into politics, is bookending the speech on MSNBC with ads urging the president to reject the pipeline…

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-28/after-starring-role-2013-look-just-climate-change-cameo-years-state-union

  47. I, for one, will be watching. I happen to believe everything Resident Obama doesn’t say. Period.

  48. trillion $$$ dreams:

    28 Jan: HuffPo: Julie Fox Gorte: Tricks of the Trade That Block Climate Change Progress
    (Julie Fox Gorte, Senior Vice President for Sustainable Investing, Pax World Management LLC)
    I recently attended the 2014 Investor Summit on Climate Risk at the United Nations, along with more than 500 other financial leaders, most of them members of the Investor Network on Climate Risk. At that meeting, Ceres, the Summit’s organizer, released the Clean Trillion report calling on investors to scale-up clean energy investment to at least $1 trillion by 2030. This is the level of investment that the International Energy Agency estimates will be needed to keep additional global warming below the 2-degree Celsius threshold, beyond which the impact of climate change is judged catastrophic…
    Last week the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) released a new report, “Tricks of the Trade: How companies anonymously influence climate policy through their business and trade associations.”…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-fox-gorte/tricks-of-the-trade-that-_b_4674342.html

  49. Perhaps the President will discuss his progress in “stopping the seas from rising” as he promised in first speech after being elected. Perhaps he will explain how terminating the use of fossil fuel around the world which will massively and irreparably escalate inequality of billions of the earth’s people will help his goal of reducing inequality. Perhaps he will explain how he has failed completely to be a leader of the U.S. Government because he seems to believe he was elected King and need not bother with the Congress. Perhaps he will take mercy on all American’s and make this a very short speech and spare us an extended bunch of baloney.

  50. Or, you could just read this:
    Imagine: Living in a Socialist USA. Frances Goldin, Debby Smith, Michael Smith. Harper Perennial. January 21, 2014. ISBN-10: 0062305573.

    Chapters by many, including Obama’s ghost-writer William Ayers, as well as fellow travelers Mumia Abu-Jamal, Angela Davis, Juan Gonzalez, Frances Fox Piven, Michael Moore,…

    My copy just showed up in the mail today, so I cannot tell you what is between the covers.

  51. But SRSLY – Obama has accomplished at least something for all of his special-interest groups except the anti- g u n crowd. I expect some exec order regarding g u n

  52. Peter Miller says:

    January 28, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    Politicians arrive at a certain level of success that they realize it doesn’t matter if you are obviously lying as the audience either is ignorant, stupid or blind.

  53. Larry Hamlin January 28, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Perhaps the President will discuss his progress in “stopping the seas from rising” as he promised in first speech after being elected.

    We know from measurements that he has been very successful at stopping the seas from rising. He IS the messiah, after all.

  54. I’m not watching, I have it on the radio. It’s easier to type here when I don’t have to watch congresscritters applaud whatever it is he just said. Hmm, would be easier if I turned off the radio.

  55. Gail Combs says:
    January 28, 2014 at 4:28 pm
    RACookPE1978 says: @ January 28, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    1-3/4 inches of White “Global Warming” Shuts Down Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport

    The (light) snow around Atlanta started about 11:00 AM, schools were shutdown at 1:00, but nobody down can drive in anything white….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The problem is the lack of training in driving in snow. The lack of snow tires or chains (I have chains for my truck even though I am in mid NC) and the lack of any sanding/salting equipment

    ……………………>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Most of the problems in Atlanta wasn’t caused by the white stuff. Schools, businesses, and government all decided to close at the same time. The ensuing gridlock was a nightmare, and ironically, melted all the snow on many roads. That wasn’t the only reason, though. Interstates were snarled because of jack-knifing 18-wheelers hitting icy patches on overpasses.

    There is no suitable training for driving on these roads. Unlike the frozen wasteland to the north, the South isn’t ironing-board flat, graced with straight roads. The most well-trained, experienced snow driver will take on a new appreciation for Newton’s Laws of Motion when attempting to go down a steep, ice-covered hill on a road with multiple sharp curves.

  56. Bammer still thinks govnt creates jobs. More dangerous he understands the poor vote Dem and his policies guarantee plenty of Dem votes. And most dangerous of all he has now put the Presidential seal of approval on CAGW. Good luck America, glad I got Harper as a head of state.

  57. The more I consider the claim made by believers and promoters of AGW regarding how cold weather is evidence to support warming is totally sick.

  58. Watching Witness on another channel (Amish ignorance versus Obama arrogance?…hmm, choices choices), turned over during the commercial break to hear him claim ‘carbon pollution causes climate change’, shouted brief obscenities at the TV and turned over all in a period which must have taken all of 20 seconds. Business as usual for the both of us.

  59. Spencer’s bit sounds slightly plausible, but it isn’t really factually based any more than it would be factually based for Obama to pin the current cold winter east of the Rockies on climate change.
    Funny about how Spencer, while claiming Obama will use the weather to bring up climate change, sneaks in his own attempt to use the weather to say there isn’t climate change “despite the brutally cold weather…”.

    And Dr. Spencer’s wrong about snow, too. More snow tends to fall as temperatures rise towards the freezing point. Basic science – warmer air holds more moisture to freeze into flakes. Colder air is drier.

    In a more specialized version of cold reducing snow this year: Buffalo is getting LESS snow because Lake Erie is iced over enough to disrupt the lake effect. Colder weather = less snow. Go figure.

  60. b fagan says:
    January 28, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    And Dr. Spencer’s wrong about snow, too. More snow tends to fall as temperatures rise towards the freezing point. Basic science – warmer air holds more moisture to freeze into flakes. Colder air is drier.

    I suspect Roy was referring to the entire season. In cold areas you get:

    Warm storms early in winter (though in New Hampshire that can mean rain or freezing rain).

    Cold weather in January that keeps snow around for ages.

    Warmer weather in February that can bring some serious storms.

    Goofy New England weather in March and April (and May!) that can bring major snow falls.

    Put it all together and we get more snow (and snow depth days) than Huntsville.

    We also don’t get affected much by Lake Erie-style lake effect snows, we get coastal storms and the ocean rarely freezes.

    Lake Erie has a short season because it’s shallow and cools enough to freeze over. Marquette MI gets a lot more snow because its water stays open longer. There’s more to lake effect cities than Buffalo!

  61. @Dirk H, Janice Moore, etc.,

    Obama can’t seem to manage to get ANY stories correct – historical or present day. For example, did you know that Emperor Hirohito signed the Japanese surrender to MacArthur? Or that we have 60 states here in the USA? Here are a few Obama gaffes, all with linked sources:

    Ode to Obama – or how we know what isn’t so

    Handy Reference Guide to Obama’s Gaffes and Goofs

    Obama lost without a teleprompter

    AP’s Russ Bynum Covers Up Obama’s ‘Gulf Ports’ Gaffe

  62. POTUS/SOTU so what. This man has turned out to be a fool. His science adviser wrote a book in the 70’s claiming that within 10 years billions would die from hunger. We are still waiting, the planet can feed more than now exist the main problem is logistics, getting the food to remote areas, and local wars forcing people away from their crops in fear of death.

  63. Jtom says: @ January 28, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Gail Combs says ….

    1-3/4 inches of White “Global Warming” Shuts Down Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport
    The most well-trained, experienced snow driver will take on a new appreciation for Newton’s Laws of Motion when attempting to go down a steep, ice-covered hill on a road with multiple sharp curves.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I originate from Upstate New York (It is hilly/mountainous). That is why I mentioned not only plowing but SAND and the problems of ice covered with snow which is much more of a problem down south. A quarter inch of ice with an inch of snow on top is a real killer. I will take two feet of norther snow over that combo any day.

    Well-trained, experienced snow drivers (me and Hubby) stay the heck off the roads here in the south or put the chains on the truck if we have to go out.

    For what it is worth, because of tire inflation pressures and shear weight Semis have much better traction than cars…. until they hit ice.

  64. Remember the Rosenthal paper with the press release claiming that the Pacific Ocean is now “warming 15 times as fast” as any previous warming in the last 10,000 years? Well it seems that they have corrected their data in the supplementary materials to the paper.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2013/10/30/342.6158.617.DC1/Rosenthal.SM.revision.1.pdf

    At best they purport to show a warming of 7 times as fast, if one can even make that comparison from a 45 year period to a 350 year period comparing proxy data to the instrumental record.

    I would post this on the relevant thread, but it seems to be closed.

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