Remember these stories?
and
Follow up: the bogus ‘North Pole becomes a lake’ story
There was a lot of worry about ‘open water’ at the North Pole which turned out to be camera drift. WUWT reader “jimbo” just found this story of open water ‘near’ the North Pole reported in 2000. The second link contains a correction but not about the main claim.
New York Times – August 29, 2000
Open Water at Pole Is Not Surprising, Experts Say
…..Dr. Serreze said an examination of satellite images from July 15 showed what looked like a large body of ice-free water about 10 miles long and 3 miles wide near the pole……
“The fact of having no ice at the pole is not so stunning,” said Dr. Claire L. Parkinson, a climatologist at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. “But the report said the ship encountered an unusual amount of open water all the way up. That is reason for concern.”
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20000829tuesday.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/20/weekinreview/august-13-19-it-s-melting.html
and…
Published on Monday, September 4, 2000
Climate Change Has The World Skating On Thin Ice
by Lester R. Brown
If any explorers had been hiking to the North Pole this summer, they would have had to swim the last few miles. The discovery of open water at the Pole by an ice-breaker cruise ship in mid August surprised many in the scientific community.
It seems that history repeated itself.
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I can’t help but wonder about all those ships smashing up the ice …
Yes, but they don’t like to look back when it’s inconvenient.
Any update on those guys trying to navigate the Northwest Passage in the ocean rowboat?
As I understand it (from polar expedition sites like http://www.explorersweb.com/polar/) swimming is part of any trek to the North Pole. If you start from Russia, you will likely encounter open ice at the start. If you start from Canada, by the time you get close to the pole the summer warming will create open leads that have to be crossed). As a result standard equipment includes a survival dry suit and sleds that can float.
About np-submarines-1987.jpg sarcasm:It’s clearly waste heat from their 100 MWth nuclear reactors:/sarcasm.
If you want to follow the current Arctic situation details, and I mean details in depth, the weather paterns and ice melt / build up etc, I recommend this post of Caleb’s: http://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/the-big-chill-sea-ice-version/
This was posted on August 16th, but he continues to offer daily — even twice daily — updates on the play by play Arctic developments!
You put three primitive NUKLEAR reactors in the North Prole WTF do you think is going to happen? Before they got there it was ice! All ice, miles and miles and miles of ice and it wasn’t rotten ice, it was fresh clean good ice.
Also how did they get there anyway, I think this is Photoshoped, it’s just too convenient. I mean like how the hell did they get there, any NoB knows a compass doesn’t work north of Toronto… this is fake. Fake all the way..
@ur momisugly Wayne
You are right to point out the impact of icebreaking activities in the Arctic.
More than 75 ships specially designed as ice-breakers sail the Soviet maritime arctic. Comprising this fleet are many unique arctic vessels, including such diverse types as polar, sub-arctic, salvage, river, large harbor, and research ice-breakers. Most important for arctic marine transportation are 16 large polar ice-breakers of exceptional icebreaking capability. These ships, designed for convoying commercial ships in the high latitudes, are the keys to providing virtually unlimited access to much of the Soviet North. Each of these 16 ships ranks among the largest and most powerful ice-breakers in the world.
http://www.dieselduck.net/historical/02%20articles/russian.htm
@wobble
News from Aug. 19:
Just when all seems hopeless, another ice floe appears a few hundred metres offshore, heading in our direction. This one is smaller than the behemoth we tangled with earlier, but still carries enough girth to be imposing. It will be on top of us soon.
We make a sharp effort, push off from shore, and head into the protection of the incoming ice. It becomes grounded on the seabed as we had hoped, and we take the opportunity to use it as a moorage. Clambering atop the slab, we place two ice screws and are able to rig a satisfactory anchor – in reality an ice-climbing anchor – to which we hold fast. We’re protected by the ice a short distance from shore and safely out of the wind.. .
We’re at wit’s end, and start rowing intensely a mere metres from shore. We put ourselves on 20-minute shifts, the effort required being so high, just to keep going. Over the course of several hours, we creep along the edge of shore and discover a tiny bay partly choked in ice that will provide us protection.
We slip in to our safe harbour, finally out of the wind and out of the storm.
Kevin Vallely and his Mainstream Last First crew all call Vancouver home.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Last+First+Crew+survives+Arctic+peril+close+scrape/8721299/story.html
“The discovery of open water at the Pole by an ice-breaker cruise ship”
Dont suppose they felt guilt at breaking up the ice then…
Hmmmn.
If you have one thermometer, you know what the temperature is.
If you have two thermometers, you know what the average of their temperatures is, but you don’t know what the actual temperature is.
If you have three thermometers, you can only get confused about what range the real temperature might be inside of. Maybe.
If you have three submarines, all of them parked at the North Pole, where is the actual North Pole?
The finding of areas of open water – “polynyas” – at and near the North Pole features significantly in any history of nuclear submarines; so it should hardly “surprise many in the scientific community.”
Norman Polmar’s ‘Atomic Submarines’, for example, published in 1964, discusses the Arctic exploits of the Nautilus and other early boats at some length. The Soviets similarly reported open water near the Pole.
I remember an Australian guy who was going to paddle through the North Pole a few seasons ago. He went real well, they had to [haul] him out before he froze to death. The water simply wasn’t there.
Interestingly, there actually DO seem to be exceptionally open patches of water near the North Pole this year. Check the images from the WUWT sea ice page:
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/cryo_latest.jpg
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/satellite/plots/satsst.arc.d-00.png
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticicennowcast.gif
It will be interesting to see what happen with these this year and then into next year with these areas.
If any explorers had been hiking to the North Pole this summer, ?
What planet are these idiots on?
Nobody hikes to the North Pole in summer. That’s why Peary walked it in March/April at the max ice extent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Peary#The_final_1908.E2.80.931909_expedition
Tim Folkerts
I cannot see anything unusual in those images. Please show they are any different to previous years.
Wayne I thought about that too. I mean all that traffic must have at least some effect…. right? Anyone? I think I’ll shut up now.
wobble says:
August 22, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Any update on those guys trying to navigate the Northwest Passage in the ocean rowboat?
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I really hate to wear this one out, but:
“Fools rush in where angels fear to tread”
The RUSSIAN NUCLEAR POWERED ICEBREAKER SHIP 50 LET was crushing the Ice around the North Pole from July 20 to July 31 2013. Here is the Ship tracker link. Type in 1500 hours in track hours tracker and zoom out then click on the north pole area to see the ships tracks.
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=UGYU
Pict of the ship that produces enough energy to run a city and discharges enough HOT water for thousands to take a hot shower just like a ground based nuclear power plant.
http://www.marynarz.pl/grafika/jednostki_specjalne_foty/1750letpobedy.jpg
this video link shows the ship has been going to the north pole during the summer time for many years. No I know why the ice has been melting faster.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=RUSSIAN+NUCLEAR+POWERED+ICE+BREAKER+SHIP+50+LET+&oq=RUSSIAN+NUCLEAR+POWERED+ICE+BREAKER+SHIP+50+LET+&gs_l=youtube.3…44432.44432.0.45505.1.1.0.0.0.0.55.55.1.1.0…0.0…1ac..11.youtube.wdMXrF7gwPo
I wonder if Al Gore has been having them crush the ice that can not refreeze in summer time over the past years or by some crazy scientist.
The angels have lots of warm down. Sorry could not help myself.
A.D. Everard says:
August 22, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Yes, but they don’t like to look back when it’s inconvenient.
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That’s the truth.
wobble, about the guys rowing. Try http://mainstreamlastfirst.com/
Try, 1958
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/
@ur momisugly Paul Homewood
I thought the differences were obvious, but I have been watching the polar ice images for a few years. Try this image instead, which compares this year to 2007.
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/cryo_compare.jpg
You should be able to see where the pole is on the images. Even in the (then) record-setting 2007, the regions around the pole (out to ~ 82 N) were almost entirely dark purple & lighter purple (ie 70-100% ice covered) with bits or red (50-70% ice covered)
This year, much of the region near the poles is red (50-70%) with significant patches of yellow (30-50%). There is even one patch near 85 N, 30 E that shows up as less than 30% ice covered.
In the ’50s, the USS Skate was the first sub to surface at the North Pole.
http://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole