Kenji gets mail – ‘Union of Concerned Scientists’ wants a one-sided Senate hearing panel, asks for money

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Kenji got this in his inbox today (donation links redacted):

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UCS supporter—

It’s bad enough that climate deniers get elected to Congress.

But it gets much worse: some purveyors of disinformation sit on the House Science Committee.

Rep. Lamar Smith, who chairs the committee, wrote a recent Washington Post op-ed replete with misleading information about the science of global warming.1 Rep. Jim Bridenstine believes atmospheric temperatures have more to do with solar activity than human activity. AND he is about to introduce a bill to defund climate change research. Oh, and he wants President Obama to apologize for funding it.2

I wish I were making it up, but I’m not. We need your help today so we can continue our work mobilizing prominent scientists, armed with facts, to testify on Capitol Hill, meet with lawmakers, and speak out in the press. What we do works—but it doesn’t happen without support and resources from people like you.

Before MIDNIGHT TONIGHT all gifts will be matched dollar-for-dollar, up to $125,000. Give now—time is running out!

Thank you for fighting for science.

—Kathy

P.S. Need more reasons to donate before midnight? Check out our previous message below.

1. http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/policymakers-climate-science-0383.html
2. http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/304801-gop-bill-would-boost-weather-forecasting-reduce-climate-research

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So much for the Democratic process. I wonder how UCS will use money sent today to somehow make a change to the list of people testifying on Thursday? The previous message they reference is also pretty funny. They claim Shaun Marcott was abused by ‘hate mail’ and “bloggers twisted his research” but provide no proof of it, simply linking to his FAQs on RealClimate and a USA today story about James Hansen as a reference. Pretty lame.

Here’s the previous pitch for money:

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Dear UCS supporter,

When Dr. Shaun Marcott published a groundbreaking paper showing the world is warmer today than it has been for thousands of years, climate deniers went ballistic.1 They sent him hate mail, and bloggers twisted his research.

When Dr. Joseph Skorupa’s research showed that phosphate mines were polluting waterways and poisoning trout, his supervisors at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service told him not to go on The Daily Show to publicize the findings, saying: “the leadership doesn’t want you to go on and they will make your life hell,” according to Skorupa. “Part of the threat was that my colleagues would also be punished.”2 Skorupa felt he had no choice but to decline to go on the show.

The truth can’t always protect itself. When researchers get targeted, sound science can lose out to ideology and corporate agendas. The Union of Concerned Scientists helps researchers like Dr. Marcott and Dr. Skorupa, providing technical, moral, and media support.

Today, you can help even more scientists brave enough to stand up for the facts: There are only two days left to help us reach our goal. What we’re able to raise before Wednesday will have major implications for the work we can do in the months ahead.

Help scientists in jeopardy, and your online donation will be MATCHED dollar-for-dollar, up to $125,000.

When you make a tax-deductible gift to the Union of Concerned Scientists, you make a difference for science. Here are just some of the reasons why:

  • You’re empowering scientists. We helped Dr. Marcott focus the media on his findings—not the false controversies dreamed up by talking heads. “I never expected this to happen,” said Dr. Marcott. “I’m glad there’s a group like UCS that can be there for scientists when they’re attacked for their work.”
  • You’re helping stand up for the facts. UCS teaches scientists how to clearly communicate their research to the public and respond to attacks. And our Science Network gives 20,000 scientists and technical experts opportunities to connect with policy makers, directly impacting laws that protect our families and our planet.
  • You’re protecting scientists who speak the truth. UCS members were instrumental in passing groundbreaking whistleblower protections—in part by showing lawmakers over 400 federal experts who are uncomfortable with their agency’s timid approach to censorship of publicizing the results of their science.

Will you be there for scientists who need you? The next round of attacks could happen any day—for Dr. Skorupa, Dr. Marcott, or another courageous scientist. When you give now, you’ll help them face down the insults, misinformation, and intimidation.

Don’t miss your chance. Give now to have your contribution MATCHED dollar-for-dollar, up to $125,000.

Our opponents aren’t resting—and we can’t either. Together, we’ll make sure the truth wins out. We have to—the world is depending on scientists and concerned citizens like you and me to create a healthy, sustainable future.

On behalf of all the scientists we work with, thank you for your support.

Kathleen Rest Sincerely,
Kathleen Rest
Kathleen Rest, PhD, MPA
Executive Director

1. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/03/response-by-marcott-et-al/
2. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/vergano/2013/04/06/hansen-federal-scientists-communication/2053077/

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It seems Kevin Knobloch is out and Kathleen Rest is in as president. Given the ever present drumbeat for money, perhaps the “Union of Concerned Shysters” might be a better name?

IMHO, you’d either have to be stupid or a dog to belong to this organization.

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89 Responses to Kenji gets mail – ‘Union of Concerned Scientists’ wants a one-sided Senate hearing panel, asks for money

  1. jeremyp99 says:

    No dog of mine will sign up to the UCS! However,kudos to Kenji for operating behind enemy lines. Give that dog a bone! And Pig and Poppy say hello to Kenji from glorious sunny Somerset!

  2. M.J. Snyder says:

    Hmmm – no mention where the matching funds come from. Maybe…Dog Lovers of America?

  3. Gary says:

    Who is providing the up to $125K in matching funds? And before MIDNIGHT TONIGHT!

  4. Michael Jankowski says:

    Midnight in which time zone?

  5. milodonharlani says:

    Maybe the matching funds come from Al “Big Oil Whore” Gore.

  6. OssQss says:

    Who the heck is matching up to $125k?????????

    Is is Soros?

    These yahoos want to use donation levels as leverage of public opinion tomorrow. They probably saw the same statistics on where climate actually stands in the public opinon polls, and it aint very high up there the list.

  7. Ryan says:

    Would you want a creationist testifying at a hearing about superbugs? Why would you want someone who takes the same stance about climate science at a hearing about climate?

  8. John West says:

    “Rep. Jim Bridenstine believes atmospheric temperatures have more to do with solar activity than human activity.”

    Who doesn’t?

    Perhaps she meant: Rep. Jim Bridenstine believes the barely measurable 20th century increase in atmospheric temperatures have more to do with solar activity than human activity.

    That hasn’t been ruled out. Time will tell.

  9. R. de Haan says:

    Please, send a copy of this article to all members of the Senate. Oh yes and before I forget, tell them the biggest glacier in the Italian Dolomites has stopped retreating: http://iceagenow.info/2013/07/largest-glacier-dolomites-stops-retreating/

    Wattsupwiththat?

  10. DirkH says:

    “We need your help today so we can continue our work mobilizing prominent scientists, ”
    Yeah that’s how you do science. First mobilize, then invade, then subjugate the enemy. That’s the scientific method.
    Do they take prisoners?

  11. Thanks, Kenji. Be safe behind that dog-cover.

  12. DirkH says:

    “You’re empowering scientists. We helped Dr. Marcott focus the media on his findings—not the false controversies dreamed up by talking heads. “I never expected this to happen,” said Dr. Marcott. “I’m glad there’s a group like UCS that can be there for scientists when they’re attacked for their work.””

    Marcott found a gradual cooling over the holocene, with a statistical artifact at the end that looks like a warming but was a fluke, as Marcott and Shakun admitted.
    I agree with Marcott that the current warm time is cooler than the MWP, which is cooler than the Roman Warm Period etc.

  13. Stephen Richards says:

    We need to keep kenji undercover to report these important developments. Perhaps a moustache, a trench coat and dark glasses would be in order? I wonder if Ms Rest got her PhD in a kelloggs pack or whether it is another of those communication ones.

  14. Bill Parsons says:

    I love Ms. Res’ts use of bold, BLOCK, and italics. TO MAKE HER POINT. Only missing are the adolescent reliance upon exclamation points!… Er…

    Rep. Jim Bridenstine believes atmospheric temperatures have more to do with solar activity than human activity. AND he is about to introduce a bill to defund climate change research. Oh, and he wants President Obama to apologize for funding it….Give now—time is running out!

    A real Union Maid!

    The ice cream trucks somehow latched onto this melody. Now every time they tinkle past, we get The Union Maid. Maybe Kenji can howl along.

  15. M. Schneider says:

    The UCS was a Soviet front run by Helen Caldicott.

  16. Peter in MD says:

    So, they need $125,000 + $125,000 match = $250,000. Is this the current going amount needed to bribe a public official? I’m just saying…….

  17. Bruce Cobb says:

    Ryan says:
    July 17, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Would you want a creationist testifying at a hearing about superbugs? Why would you want someone who takes the same stance about climate science at a hearing about climate?
    Kenji has a bone to pick with you: heasks that you please stay focused on the issue at hand, which is climate. I’m inclined to agree.

  18. I always find it fascinating while looking at the academic background of people who act as experts in climate science.
    Dr. Rest earned her doctorate in health policy from Boston University and her master’s degree in public administration, with a focus on health services, from the University of Arizona.
    Need I say more. But, hey she’s a doctor.

  19. cotwome says:

    “It’s bad enough that climate deniers get elected to Congress.”

    I wish they would prove that people actually deny this:
    http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/weather/12007d1198280484-best-climate-humans-us-climate-zones-map.png

    Also…

    UCS upside down hockey stick:
    http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000057911&year=2012

  20. Bryan A says:

    I would send a Penny taped to a note stating:
    “Dear Ms. Rest,
    I would normally be able to send you $1000 for your cause but due to the taxation of Carbon and the dramatic increase in energy prices due to the afore stated taxation, this penny is all I can now afford. Even that penny came from another letter I received seeking donations for some other cause.
    Until you can fight your cause without raising my energy costs, I will be unable to donate more a penny.

    Sincerely
    Kenji Watts”

  21. OldWeirdHarold says:

    Prominent scientists? Like Bill Nye the Science Guy?

  22. DirkH says:

    Ryan says:
    July 17, 2013 at 9:31 am
    “Would you want a creationist testifying at a hearing about superbugs? Why would you want someone who takes the same stance about climate science at a hearing about climate?”

    How does a non-creationist explain that complexity back-extrapolation seems to indicate that life would have to be 10 billion years old?
    “Recent studies, applying the equivalent of Moore’s Law to biological evolution and extrapolating backwards, propose that life began “9.7±2.5 billion years ago”, billions of years before the Earth was formed [...]”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia#Complexity
    (Notice that this is part of Jimbo Wales’ NPOV worldview!)

    Notice that I offer no explanation; but you should read about the viewpoint of creationists before spewing your bile.

  23. Bill Parsons says:

    Everybody sing! You in the back there, with the hairy muzzle:

    “Oh you can’t scare me, I’m stickin’ with the union…”

  24. mwhite says:

    Woof
    Sincerely,
    Kenji

  25. Joe says:

    Ryan says:
    July 17, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Would you want a creationist testifying at a hearing about superbugs?
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    Totally agree, Ryan, well said!

    Which is why people who believe in the Religion Of AGW, which increasingly flies in the face of empirical scientific evidence using nothing but blind faith to keep itself airborne, should be allowed nowhere near these hearings.

    “Consensus” is an entirely faith-based concept in case you haven’t noticed ;)

  26. Nick in Vancouver says:

    How is it possible to get a tax deduction for making a donation that will support political lobbying/lobbyists?. Is there someone from the IRS who reads this site and would care to comment?

  27. DGP says:

    Climate Cha-ching!

  28. Tom J says:

    Please send us money because as concerned scientists we are concerned that the more creative among us (assuming there are any) may otherwise have to work on Madison Avenue trying to sell ‘new and improved’ laundry detergent that’s somehow better than our previous ‘new and improved’ laundry detergent that was better than the preceding ‘new and improved’…(well, you get the idea).

    Please send us money because as concerned scientists we are concerned because it is much easier to sell ‘new and improved’ climate models that are somehow better than our previous ‘new and improved’ climate models that were better than the preceding … (well, you get the idea) than it is to sell laundry detergent to a gullible public.

    Please send us money because as concerned scientists we are concerned that we may otherwise have to give up our vacatio…er, conferences at such important intellectual destinations as Cancun, Mexico; Durban, So. Africa; or Rio de Janeiro. (And, no, white sand beaches and thong bikinis have nothing to do with those vaca…er…)

    Please send us money because as concerned scientists we are concerned that we may otherwise have to give up our fantasies of being world saviors. (Superman and Santa Claus really exist, don’t they?)

    Please send us money because as concerned scientists we are concerned we would otherwise have to get jobs and recognize how economies really work.

    Please send us money because as concerned scientists we are concerned that instead of just making things up we may have to do genuine research and we don’t think we can do that.

    In fact, we can’t do that.

  29. Mike Lewis says:

    You should send them a Kenji “dog log” package to let them know how you really feel.

  30. Philip Nolan says:

    Perhaps they could use some of the money to learn how to write more clearly. Is the $125K limit on matching donations a limit on the aggregate amount of donations or is it for each donation? It says “…your donation…” but the comma and placement of the phrase creates an ambiguity. Can Kenji write them and find out?

  31. klem says:

    Is it the Union of Concerned Scientists, or is it the Union of Concerned Activists?

  32. Taphonomic says:

    Goodness. Outrage by the UCS because the FWS won’t let one of their scientists go on a comedy show. Maybe Skorupa should start out slow and do an open mic night at a comedy club first.

  33. Chad Wozniak says:

    Thank goodness for Congressman Jim Bridenstine!!

  34. Louis Hooffstetter says:

    “When Dr. Shaun Marcott published a groundbreaking paper showing the world is warmer today than it has been for thousands of years, climate deniers went ballistic. They … twisted his research.”

    Nope. It was Marcott, Shakun, Clark, and Mix who twisted their own research (with a little help from ‘Real Climastrologists’). Read about it for yourself:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/marcott-et-al/

  35. Chad Wozniak says:

    @Per Strandberg –
    So Ms. Rest has a doctorate in health science (whatever the @#$%&*!! that is?) I have a doctorate in history, with enough reading to be able to attest to the Medieval Warm Period, the Roman Climate Optimum and the Hittite-Minoan-Mycenean warm period – plus the Great Heat of the 1930s – all amply documented in the historical record (which all the climate “models” in the world can’t erase). Methinks that trumps any “expertise” this annelid thinks she has. I’m not a climate scientist but I’m a well-qualified historian, and the historical record unequivocally supports the skeptic view of climate change.

    Edward Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire makes references to the change in climate after 300 AD, as the Roman Climate Optimum was coming to an end.

  36. G P Hanner says:

    Looks to me like joiners self select for UCS. Wonder what their membership really is — excluding any and all members of the Watts family, of course.

  37. Chad Wozniak says:

    Also, if posters here want to get good and angry, Yahoo0 Noews has a video talking about how air conditioning demand will make electricity prices go up because of global warming – repeating the same old lies. Their effrontery in the face of so much evuidence to the contrary, even in the face of admissions by prominent alarmisrs that the globe isn’t warming and their modewls are wrong – is something to behold.

  38. Chad Wozniak says:

    Sorry about the bad typing in my last post.
    The UCS ought to change its name to UAT – “Union for Absolute Tyranny.” Their brazen efforts to silence skeptics should be taken as a very serious threat to liberty, as we’ll as science.

  39. Chad Wozniak says:

    Rep. Bridenstine is wrong in one respect – he should be calling for der Fuehrer’s impeachment for misappropriation of public funds (along with all of der Fuehrer’s other crimes)

  40. Mac the Knife says:

    I strongly urge Kenji to ‘make a sizable contribution’.
    It’s his dooty!

    MtK

  41. RHS says:

    Chad Wozniak – Yahoo is quickly becoming a mouth piece for http://www.takeapart.com
    And their LiveScience section is so full of Op-Ed articles, it is difficult to call it science anymore…

  42. markx says:

    Bill Parsons says: July 17, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I love Ms. Res’ts use of bold, BLOCK, and italics. TO MAKE HER POINT. ….. exclamation points!

    Dang right Bill, reminds me exactly of those hyped up TV ads.

    …..AND ….not only THAT …. you ALSOOOoo get …. a FREE set of STEAK KNIVES!

  43. Mr Green Genes says:

    I’m not going to get involved in the politics of another country; you US guys can do all that’s needed for yourselves.

    All I would say is, do not allow your country to go the way of the UK. Here, we have the Climate Change Act, brought into being by Ed Milliband, formerly moronic Secretary of State for Climate Change (and some other stuff that they totally ignore) and now moronic Leader of ‘Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition’, aka the Labour Party. This appalling piece of destructive legislation is completely supported by our equally moronic Prime Minister, David Cameron, aka leader of the Conservative Party and the even more moronic (if such thing be possible) Deputy prime Minister, Nick Clegg, aka leader of the Liberal Democratic Party.

    As you can see, I’m not terribly enamoured by any of of our political leaders but this article at least seems to give the impression that you in the US have some people of integrity and intelligence in your legislature.

    PS Ryan (and Jai Mitchell, come to think of it – unless thay are one and the same) would fit perfectly into some of our more demented political parties over here. They know nothing about the subject on which they pontificate but witter on endlessly and pointlessly about their own little obsessions. I say, long may they (s/he) continue – they only serve to amuse.

    PPS It’s not insulting to call our ‘leading’ politicians moronic – it’s a considerable understatement. I have described Cameron and Milliband as two cheeks of the same … bottom. Clegg is between them so …

  44. pesadia says:

    Reminds me of an old urban legend which apparently appeared in a newspaper. The advert said,
    “Positively last offer, send your dollars now”.According to the story, this made someone a million bucks.

  45. They need $125,000 in funds matched because the “science is SETTLED”.

  46. OK S. says:

    Bill Parsons says @ July 17, 2013 at 9:50 am:

    A real Union Maid!

    Like most things Union, the song is stolen.

    The real tune is “Red Wing:”

  47. John West says:

    @ Ryan:
    If the skeptic in question quotes the Bible as evidence THEN the comparison with [Young Earth] Creationists would be valid otherwise it’s simply an “ad hom” attack.

    As it is written it makes no sense at all since I personally know biologists that certainly understand evolution but also believe in creation [by evolution] and I would certainly seriously consider anything they said about superbugs.

    OT @ people referring to creationists:

    Please consider clarifying the group you’re referring to with the addition of “young earth” or “literal Bible” to creationists. There are creationists that are also evolutionists. Thank you for your consideration.

  48. RockyRoad says:

    Great comment, Tom J.

    That should be the “fine print” at the bottom of their appeal for filthy lucre.

  49. Allan M says:

    “Not a wuffing red cent, you wuffing wuffers!”

  50. A.D. Everard says:

    Both those letters are to the same tune and the approach is, “Rush now to send your money (so you don’t have time to think)”. Do they send these requests out frequently? I hope so, it’d be very tiring after the first one or two and I would imagine donations dropping sharply after that, if they’re getting any at all.

    What’s that, Kenji?

    Yap, yap! Bark!

    Oh no. He says there’s trouble at the mill.

  51. Anthony

    What does Professor Kenji think of the ‘paws’ in global warming?

    tonyb

  52. mr Green Genes

    Latest word tells me that solar parks are going to be severely curtained in the UK with new planning guidance directing them to roof tops and brown field sites
    tonyb

  53. Dan in California says:

    If I got a letter from the Union of Confused Scientists on this, I would reply to them that in addition to a few courageous and informed representatives, there are more than 31,000 scientists and engineers that call “baloney” on the anthropogenic global warming scare. http://www.petitionproject.org/. Then, I would ask them if it is warmer now than it has been for thousands of years, how do they explain the 12th century Viking farms that archaeologists have found in Greenland?

  54. Justthinkin says:

    I know I shouldn’t have, but I showed Bailey this article .Being a Burmese Munchkin(cat),she is now really jealous of Kenji. She also is a member of the UCS, and would like to know how a “one-sided senate” or any other one-sided thing can produce any tangible results?
    (disclaimer….my bank is fully aware of who and what Bailey is, but the card does have a limit. Wonder if I could get one for a pet rock?)

  55. Gunga Din says:

    Kenji gets mail – ‘Union of Concerned Scientists’ wants a one-sided Senate hearing panel, asks for money
    Posted on July 17, 2013 by Anthony Watts

    Kenji got this in his inbox today (donation links redacted):

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    You redacted the donation link!!!!!!!!!
    Ah, Mann!
    I was looking forward to supporting Kenji’s favorite charity case.

  56. Bill Parsons says:

    OK S. says:
    July 17, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    Bill Parsons says @ July 17, 2013 at 9:50 am:

    A real Union Maid!

    Like most things Union, the song is stolen.

    The real tune is “Red Wing:”

    Thanks for the reference, OK S. My Mom grew up in the depression (and thus must have heard the Guthrie song), but when she heard the popsicle truck melody, it was “Redwing” she also remembered. Actually, I wonder if you can hear in both Kerry Mills’ tune and Woody Guthrie’s adaptation another origin – in the 19th century.

    That would be Robert Schumann’s composition for piano “The Happy Farmer, Returning From Work”, from his 1848 work Album for the Young, Opus 68 – absent the chorus, of course,

    Who knows where Schumann came up with it?

    Ultimately, I don’t think Kenji gives a woof.

  57. Margaret Hardman says:

    John West

    Can you please name any of these evolutionists who are also creationists? I am interested in how what you say is anything other than an oxymoron.

  58. Dodgy Geezer says:

    …I know I shouldn’t have, but I showed Bailey this article .Being a Burmese Munchkin(cat),she is now really jealous of Kenji. She also is a member of the UCS, and would like to know how a “one-sided senate” or any other one-sided thing can produce any tangible results?…

    I tried to get my cat to join. But she wouldn’t….

  59. Richard M says:

    Give it a Rest, Kathleen.

  60. Peter Miller says:

    I object, that is the almost exact wording I used in my appeal for:

    The Alternative to Climate Science Grant Addiction – Tell the Truth.

  61. Scarface says:

    Kathleen Rest doesnt look very concerned though. Her picture was probably taken while laughing all the way to the bank.

    Kenji on the other hand… I hope he doesn’t let it all get under his skin. I praise him for all his efforts to expose these fraudsters. This last success is worth an extra cookie or two, imho.

  62. Dave says:

    One would think that word would have gotten back to the UCS by now that Kenji is an impostor… and that he also takes far too many naps to be an effective advocate for “The Cause”. I guess they’d rather receive his yearly membership dues rather than (metaphorically) putting him outside to chase squirrels.

  63. eyesonu says:

    I haven’t read the above comments, but is kenji barking mad at the maddness?

  64. Chris B says:

    Margaret Hardman says:

    July 17, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    John West

    Can you please name any of these evolutionists who are also creationists? I am interested in how what you say is anything other than an oxymoron.
    ________________________________________

    Here’s a start:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation%E2%80%93evolution_controversy

  65. R. de Haan says:

    Please have a look at this video as it provides a well balanced view of what is going on in the world and what is at stake if we don’t address it. The USA is the last bastion that can stop the ongoing process: http://newparadigm.schillerinstitute.com/

    The climate change debate in the US Senate is just a small part of the struggle that’s upon us.
    It’s a struggle for life and death short term.

  66. Jimbo says:

    Kenji gets mail – ‘Union of Concerned Scientists’ wants a one-sided Senate hearing panel, asks for money

    They should be re-named the Union of Unconcerned Scientists, as long as they get money. Did I mention that the world famous climate campaigner Al Gore taking tobacco cash while his sister was dying on her hospital bed? Maybe I should leave that for another day.

    In 2007 the Union of Concerned Scientists issued a report called “ExxonMobil’s Tobacco-like Disinformation Campaign on Global Warming Science”.

    The Union of Concerned Scientists has in the past received funding from the Grantham Foundation, which is bankrolled by hedge-fund manager Jeremy Grantham. At the time of the funding the foundation had holdings in tobacco giant Philip Morris. In August of 2011 his fund owned millions of shares in fossil fuel companies such as Exxon Mobil.

    One of the founders of the wildlife and climate campaigning WWF is Dr. Anton Rupert. The now deceased Dr. Rupert made his fortune from the cigarette manufacturing company called Voorbrand, re-named Rembrandt, now consolidated into Rothmans.
    Ref: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1508360/Anton-Rupert.html
    Reference:
    http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/tag/tobacco/

  67. geran says:

    Abnormal lows tonight from Texas to Oklahoma.

    How does Kenji know this stuff?

    (Must be just weather, not climate, lmao….)

  68. CodeTech says:

    In the old days, a good tactic to mess up these kind of people was to have thousands of people send in a check for 1 cent. They would be so overwhelmed by these that their bigger donations would get lost in the shuffle. I guess the internet has killed that.

    Anyway, asking for donations is usually just a front for laundering huge input from special interests (Soros, et. al.)

  69. Mooloo says:

    You would think that the Union of Concerned Scientists would have a scientist leading it, no?

    Dr. Rest earned her doctorate in health policy from Boston University and her master’s degree in public administration, with a focus on health services, from the University of Arizona.

    Yes, not a scientist, as in never having done any science. Her qualifications would suggest that any conversation about the physics of climate science above very general terms would be beyond her.

    I don’t mean to demean her qualifications or experience, which seems excellent if you want an administrator. I merely point out that she has no more science than Lamar Smith. Given he was a pilot, I would be Jim Bridenstine has a lot more physics.

  70. John West says:

    @ Margaret Hardman

    Like Chris B said the Wikipedia articles are a start, but remember it’s Wikipedia.

    I can name one easily: John West.

    In a nutshell: creation by evolution.

    Just consider language as an analogy for life for a second. So, was human language created or did it evolve? Obviously, the answer is both, the processes aren’t actually mutually exclusive according to the available evidence therefore one can easily be an evolutionist and a creationist.

  71. Bob in Castlemaine says:

    With any luck we in Australia may soon (when we finally get an election) have a group of high profile alarmists out of a job. Mabe they would be prepared to consider reduced rates, given that their industry seems to be in terminal decline?

  72. Gunga Din says:

    climatereason says:
    July 17, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Anthony

    What does Professor Kenji think of the ‘paws’ in global warming?

    tonyb

    =====================================================================
    As eyesonu said, he “barking mad”.

  73. cynical_scientist says:

    Would you want a creationist testifying at a hearing about superbugs? Why would you want someone who takes the same stance about climate science at a hearing about climate?

    This is a false equivalence. Someone with the same stance about climate would be someone worried about the next great flood. To such a person things like the greenhouse effect, carbon or the solar cycle would be irrelevant. Instead they would probably regard tornadoes, hurricanes droughts and floods as resulting from gay marriage, abortion, p0rn0graphy and low church attendance.

  74. Gunga Din says:

    (MODS, you may want to delete this if you think it would encourage unethical actions. I just think it’s funny but ….)

    CodeTech says:
    July 17, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    In the old days, a good tactic to mess up these kind of people was to have thousands of people send in a check for 1 cent. They would be so overwhelmed by these that their bigger donations would get lost in the shuffle. I guess the internet has killed that.

    Anyway, asking for donations is usually just a front for laundering huge input from special interests (Soros, et. al.)

    ====================================================================
    I knew a guy who kept getting unsolicited mail from a group for retired people asking him to join. It included a postage-paid envelope. He asked to be taken off the mailing list but to no avail. Finally he resorted to putting bits of metal in the envelopes with his request to be taken off their mailing list. Since the envelopes were postage-paid, the group paid the extra postage for the metal weighted mail. He soon stopped receiving membership request.

  75. Gary Pearse says:

    “…continue our work mobilizing prominent scientists, armed with facts, to testify on Capitol Hill, meet with lawmakers, and speak out in the press. What we do works—but it doesn’t happen without support and resources from people like you.”

    So you have to pay these guys to do this? How much is it for a phone call to them?

  76. Zeke says:

    “When researchers get targeted, sound science can lose out to ideology and corporate agendas.”

    Which is all wrong of course. Researchers need immunity, and sound science must serve ideology and NGO agendas.

  77. Gunga Din says:

    Ryan says:
    July 17, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Would you want a creationist testifying at a hearing about superbugs? Why would you want someone who takes the same stance about climate science at a hearing about climate?

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    Such silliness.
    Even if Ryan’s “creationist” was a, for lack of a better term, “strict creationist” and had a doctorate in the field of “superbugs”, what difference would make what he believed about the origin of the superbug’s great-great-great-(add few billion “great”s) ancestor if he knew and understood the facts about current superbug?
    Should NASA have ignored input or fired any “rocket scientist” involved in the Apollo program simply because he believed God put the Moon there?
    I’m sure Monckton would know the Latin name for the logical fallacy you are trying to employ. I don’t but it’s plain to see. What Dr. Spenser believes about the origin of the laws of nature has nothing to do with knowledge and understanding of them regarding “Climate Change”.

  78. Khwarizmi says:

    Bill Parsons says:
    July 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm
    That would be Robert Schumann’s composition for piano “The Happy Farmer, Returning From Work”, from his 1848 work Album for the Young, Opus 68 – absent the chorus, of course,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wing_%28song%29
    Like most songs, it sounds a bit like plagiarism…exclamation mark!! :)
    A sweet song, nonetheless. Nothing is completely original.

  79. george e. smith says:

    Well according to a recent study of USA Physics PhD graduates, 65% of them will never get a real full time job as a physicist, and are doomed to be post doc fellows at some institution or other, until their retirement. Evidently , climatology is a favored gig, since it isn’t expected that you will prove any climate effect, in the short time scale between graduation and retirement; no deadlines to meet really.

    So have Kenji send money, since these folks live off grants.

  80. george e. smith says:

    “””””…..Per Strandberg (@LittleIceAge) says:

    July 17, 2013 at 10:15 am

    I always find it fascinating while looking at the academic background of people who act as experts in climate science.
    Dr. Rest earned her doctorate in health policy from Boston University and her master’s degree in public administration, with a focus on health services, from the University of Arizona.
    Need I say more. But, hey she’s a doctor……”””””

    Well Dr Laura is a Doctor too; she has a PhD, and no she doesn’t know anything about climate.

    She gets her kicks listening to perfect strangers tell their darkest secrets, they would never tell their own mother.

  81. Steve C says:

    After all this time they still spew out the phrase “climate deniers”. It’s like negotiating with zombies.

    Kenji has more brains than the whole rest of their membership.

  82. Aussie Luke Warm of Australiastan says:

    Maybe Dr Kathleen Rest personally utilised the standard communist ploy of horizontal recruiting to get Kenji to join?

  83. Chris Wright says:

    Mr Green Genes says:
    July 17, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I’m not going to get involved in the politics of another country; you US guys can do all that’s needed for yourselves…..

    I hope so, but with Obama in the White House for a few more years, it’s going to be a huge struggle.

    Meanwhile, back in the UK….
    For much of my life I was set to be a lifelong Conservative voter, but no more. I will never vote for a party whose policies are designed to push up the price of energy. It would be immoral even if the most exaggerated doom mongering were true. Far more people are killed by the cold than by heat, and as energy prices remorselessly rise in the name of the global warming cult, more and more old and relatively poor people will die because they can’t afford their energy bills.
    And these barking mad energy policies are based on science that is almost certainly wrong, almost laughably bad (e.g. Mann and Marcott), in some cases provably fraudulent (they seem to involve hockey sticks), and involving clear scientific misconduct (e.g. a recent study claiming the Earth was warmer than at any point since the last Ice Age, see above).
    I’ll assume that people like Cameron and Ed Davey have been seriously misled by their advisers. Being a global warming zealot is probably a job requirement for these science advisers. But, bearing in mind that their energy/ climate change policies will cost anything from 400 billion to over a trillion pounds (the second figure from the Daily Telegraph business section), then I think these politicians at the top had a duty of care to make sure that the science was right. They had a duty of care to listen to both sides of the debate. They should have realised that many climate scientists have a huge vested interest in climate alarmism. When our climate change minister says the science is ‘certain’, then clearly something is wrong. Even the IPCC does not claim 100% certainty, and of course science is never certain. Even Relativity is still questioned by scientists, and rightly so.
    Clearly, our politicians at the top have made no effort to understand the science (which is full of uncertainty), and yet they have committed vast resources on the say so of people with vested interests.
    For this reason I will probably never forgive David Cameron.
    For the foreseeable future I’ll be voting UKIP. I agree with them on Europe and, as far as I’m aware, they’re probably the most sceptical party in the UK on climate change (I have to admit that Nigel Farage’s comments about wind power are music to my ear!)

    I would like to become a Conservative voter again. But there are several conditions that must be met:
    1. A new leader. I would be fairly happy with Boris. Although he can be a bit of a character, he seems to have done well as mayor of London. And he has the makings of a climate sceptic, he had an excellent piece in the Telegraph recently.
    2. They will have to scrap the Climate Change Bill.
    We can only meet those mad emissions targets by shutting down the country. Ironically, there is evidence that wind farms have virtually no effect on overall emissions. And, if the impossible happened and we did meet those targets, what would they achieve?
    Absolutely nothing. China and India are building a new coal powered power station every week. All of those huge costs and sacrifices in the name of the climate change cult would be absolutely and utterly futile.

    Despite all this, I strongly hope that the Conservatives win a clear majority in 2015. That’s because, among the parties likely to be in power, the Conservative party is by far the most sceptical. A number of senior Conservative politicians are sceptical: Peter Lilley, Nigel Lawson and even Mrs Thatcher in her later years. Tim Yeo recently stated that the warming might have been natural.

    But the lies and deception, fervently promoted by the BBC, will last for a long time yet and we will all pay dearly for it. I suspect I’ll be voting UKIP for a long time yet, if not for the rest of my life….
    Chris

  84. knr says:

    It’s hardly a the sign of a strong argument that you call for censorship and for the dices to be loading in your favour. Rather it’s a sign of a poor argument the evidenced for you know to be bad.

  85. ntesdorf says:

    i hope that Kenji doesn’t even send them a dog biscuit.

  86. rw says:

    Look at Ms. Rest’s picture again, and tell me that’s not a Pod Person.

    These creatures are EVERYWHERE.

  87. clipe says:

    Last March I put in a test application for an FRSA, for convenience using the name Kim Jong Un, of Pyongyang. The RSA website promised a confirmation within 12 working days.

    http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2013/07/how-to-impress-like-clive-hamilton

    H/T SDA

  88. Disko Troop says:

    I wish I were making it up, but I’m not. We need your help today so we can continue our work mobilizing prominent scientists, armed with facts, to testify on Capitol Hill, meet with lawmakers, and speak out in the press. What we do works—but it doesn’t happen without support and resources from people like you.
    Before MIDNIGHT TONIGHT all gifts will be matched dollar-for-dollar, up to $125,000. Give now—time is running out!
    Thank you for fighting for science.
    —Kathy

    Perhaps this was the pre-edit version?

    I wish I were making it up, but I’m not. We need your help today so we can continue to pay the rent on our office (continue our work) and the phone bill and my salary is due tomorrow, The bailiffs are coming in the morning to repossess the fax (armed with facts,), If we do not get the money in time the police will be here (meet with lawmakers), I will get my name in the papers and look a fool. (and speak out in the press). What we do works—but it doesn’t happen without conning money out of (support and resources from) people like you.

    Before MIDNIGHT TONIGHT our bank account will be foreclosed (all gifts will be transferred (matched) dollar-for-dollar, up to $125,000 to my offshore account. Give now I cannot face another bankruptcy court—time is running out!

    Thank you for fighting for my job (science).

    —Kathy

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