I’m traveling today, so new posts won’t be happening until perhaps the evening.
Open thread, moderators please help where you can – Anthony
I’m traveling today, so new posts won’t be happening until perhaps the evening.
Open thread, moderators please help where you can – Anthony
Co-blogger Tim C has started a UK surface stations project over at the talkshop. Scroll down the front page, which has a couple of stickies on at the moment.
James Delingpole waxes eloquent in Mann versus Steyn: popcorn time!
Freelance work, reporting on Isaac for the Chico Enterprise Record? Let us know when your Southwest flight safely lands at New Orleans, or if you were at least able to walk away in one piece. And do that from the terminal, don’t wait until you get to the Holiday Inn Express!
another Mannian moment:
28 Aug: UK Telegraph: Arctic ice melts to record low levels
Scientists said the record was all the more striking as 2007 had near perfect climate patterns for melting ice, but that the weather this year was unremarkable other than a storm in early August.
Michael E. Mann, a lead author of a major UN report in 2001 on climate change, said the latest data reflected that scientists who were criticised as alarmists may have shown “perhaps too great a degree of reticence.” …
“I think, unfortunately, this is an example that points more to the worst-case scenario side of things,” said Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University.
“There are a number of areas where in fact climate change seems to be proceeding faster and with a greater magnitude than what the models predicted,” Mann told AFP.
“The sea ice decline is perhaps the most profound of those cautionary tales because the models have basically predicted that we shouldn’t see what we’re seeing now for several decades,” he added…
Kumi Naidoo, the executive director of Greenpeace who on Monday intercepted a Russian ship in the Arctic, said the ice melt showed that the planet was “warming up at a rate that puts billions of people’s future in jeopardy.”
“These figures are not the result of some freak of nature but the effects of man-made global warming caused by our reliance on dirty fossil fuels,” he said in a statement…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9502543/Arctic-ice-melts-to-record-low-levels.html
Here`s a thought: `Consensus`is intellectual Cowardice.
Exergy looks like it’ll join the list of “Green Energy” failures.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exergys-woes-compounded-by-dollar-37-9m-lawsuit
I’m grateful for the break. There are so many posts here I can hardly keep up.
Does anyone else think the September 2012 National Geographic blaring ‘headline’ – “What’s up with the Weather?” to announce an issue full of alarm about worsening hurricanes etc. is a riff on “Watts Up With That?”
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/09/table-of-contents
Does a loose thread count as on Open Thread?
How about “Ignorance is the last defense of the ‘Educated’?
If you global replace “Change” with “Oscillation” then everything the warmists say can be true. Sad they don’t understand the atmosphere is an open system..
Maybe worse still is they don’t understand that the more heat you add, the more it expands.,, its contracting still, isn’t it?
I recently finished reading an interesting book, “Arctic Obsession: The Lure of the Far North” by Alexis S. Troubetzkoy. The author examines arctic exploration since the very early days of the search for the northwest and northeast passages in those impossibly small wooden sailing ships, to present day exploration and research. A lot of the stuff I (sort of) remember from those history classes oh so many years ago, but not the nasty details of survival in the far north described in this book. The book unfortunately goes sideways when the author rattles on for a chapter about the impending arctic doom as promised by the IPCC, etc, but that chapter can be safely ignored without any impact on the overall content.
CLIMATEGATE EMAIL
We don’t understand cloud feedbacks. We don’t understand air-sea interactions. We don’t understand aerosol indirect effects. The list is long.
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1079108576.txt&search=mwp
I’m always struck by how the alarmists repeatedly pull the same lame old tricks: consensus, straw man, denigration, media bias and so on. Here is uber-alarmist Lewandowsky from Australia (my capitals)
“Researchers from The University of Western Australia (UWA) have examined what motivates people who are greatly involved in the climate debate to reject scientific evidence. [ARROGANT BLIND ASSUMPTION THAT ALL THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE POINTS TO CAGW – CHECK]
The study, Motivated Rejection of Science, to be published in the journal Psychological Science, investigated what motivates the rejection of science in visitors to climate blogs who choose to participate in the ongoing public debate about climate change.
More than 1,000 visitors to blogs dedicated to discussions of climate science completed a questionnaire that queried people’s belief in a number of scientific questions and conspiracy theories, including: Princess Diana’s death was not an accident; the Apollo moon landings never happened; HIV causes AIDS; and smoking causes lung cancer.
The study also considered the interplay of these responses with the acceptance of climate science, free market ideology, and the belief that previous environmental problems have been resolved.
The researchers, led by UWA School of Psychology Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, found that free market ideology was an overwhelmingly strong determinant of the rejection of climate science. [ONE-SIDED DENIAL TO NOT NOTE THE REVERSE – CHECK (i.e. that communist ideology is an overwhelmingly strong determinant of the acceptance of climate science)]
It also predicted the rejection of the link between tobacco and lung cancer and between HIV and AIDS.
Conspiratorial thinking was a lesser but still significant determinant of the rejection of all scientific propositions examined, from climate to lung cancer.
> “There has been much research pointing to the role of free market ideology in rejecting climate science, but this is the first time it’s been shown that other scientific facts, such as the link between HIV and AIDS, are also subject to ideological rejection,” said Lewandowsky. [DEMONISE AND DENIGRATE OPPONENTS – CHECK]
By contrast, a major determinant of the acceptance of science was the perceived consensus among scientists. The more agreement among scientists, the more people were likely to accept the scientific findings.
> “It is important to understand the role of perceived consensus because it highlights how damaging the media’s handling of climate issues can be when they create the appearance of a scientific debate where there is none [SHUT DOWN ANY PUBLIC DEBATE – CHECK]: More than 90 in 100 climate researchers agree on the basic fact that the globe is warming due to human greenhouse gas emissions [IRRELEVANT STRAWMAN ARGUMENT – CHECK],” he noted.
Open Thread? OK then, here’s a Russian newscaster.
@Jennifer Hubbard on August 28, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Does anyone else think the September 2012 National Geographic blaring ‘headline’ – “What’s up with the Weather?” to announce an issue full of alarm about worsening hurricanes etc. is a riff on “Watts Up With That?”
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I thought the same thing. I couldn’t bring myself to open the magazine yet. I’ll need to be in the right frame of mind first.
Right now I’m watching Nova on PBS which had several shows hyping up all the so-called global warming evidence.
David L says:
August 28, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Smh. These cowards in the lamestream media would never agree to host an actual debate on the matter. We don’t even yet know the extent to which the globe has warmed, or if it has even done so, nor whether it is natural or manmade, let alone whether it is influencing extreme weather. The evidence, however, is that there is no increase in extreme events.
Smokey, this being BC, the big story was the feeding of the bears, as that is illegal here. The conservation officers were worried that the bears may have become habituated to humans so may have to be put down. Last I heard, only a few of the bears returned to the property this spring after their winter nap. But the owner got fined big time for his feeding of the wild life!
A fascinating historic journal it all started long before we had an influence.
http://archive.org/details/arcticice00zubo
receding since approximately the beginning of the present century. In particular the Jakobshavn glacier receded about 20 m during the period 1880 to 1902. As has already been mentioned, the glaciers of these two bays produce the main mass of the Greenland icebergs. Receding of glaciers during recent years has likewise been observed on Spitzbergen, Franz Joseph Land, and Novaya Zemlya.
On Franz Joseph Land during recent years several islands have appeared as if broken in two. It turned out that they had been connected up to that time by ice bridges.
During voyages on the Perseus in 1934 and the Sadko in 1935, I carefully compared the descriptions of glaciers on Jan Mayen and Spitzbergen in some English sailing directions of 1911 with what I observed and everywhere I noted a great decrease in size of glaciers.
Ahlman explored the glaciers of Spitzbergen in 1934 and found that these glaciers are now
melting faster than they grow on account of fall of snow. Ahlman terms the rapid receding of the Spitzbergen glaciers “catastrophic.”
Sumgin informed me that the southern boundary of permafrost in Siberia is everywhere receding northward. In 1837 this boundary, for example, ran somewhat south of the town of Mezen and was found at a depth of 2 m. In 1933 the Academy of Sciences Expedition found this boundary at the village of Semzha 40 km further north.
The washing away of the Lyakhoskiye Ostrova and the disappearance of Vasilevski Ostrov in
the Laptev Sea belong to the same type of phenomena.
2. Rise of air temperature. Since 1920 the average temperature of the winter months has
steadily increased on the coasts of Baffin Bay, the Greenland Sea (Jacobshavn) , Spitzbergen, Bear Island, Barents and Kara Seas. Even in the winter of 1928-29, when there was bitter cold in Europe, the winter temperature on Spitzbergen and Bear Island was only slightly under normal.
Vize points out that at Vardo (northeast Norway) the average annual air temperature starting with 1918 is higher than the average for the century. The year 1926 represents an exception with temperature lower than normal by 0.2°. Starting with 1930, in the whole arctic sector from Greenland to Cape Chelyuskin there has not been a single anomaly of average annual and monthly winter temperatures, while the positive anomalies have been very high. Thus, for example, in the winter of 1934-35 the positive anomalies of average monthly temperature in the region from Dickson Island to Cape Chelyuskin were from 4° to 10°. In November 1935 the positive anomaly on Spitzbergen amounted to 10°. *
Vize points out that if one compares the average air temperatures on the Fran and Sedov
when the position of these vessels more or less coincided in respect to coordinates (average latitude of the Fran was 81°59′ north longitude, 113°26′ east; Sedov, 82° 48′ north, 121°30′ east) and in respect to season (November 1893 to August 1895 for the Fram ; November 1937 to August 1939 for the Sedov), it turns out that the average annual air temperature on the Sedov was 4. 1° higher
than on the Fran . In the six months from September through February this difference even
amounted to 7. 5°. *The deviation of average air temperatures from the 50 year averages exceeded +4° in January to March, 1921 to 1931.
But it will be very difficult to make the MWP go away in Greenland.
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=5111.txt&search=mwp
Why do they want the MWP to go away?
Closing NY nuke plants could cause outages (AP 2012-08-27)
Like father like son, two irredeemably stupid liberals that act as prostitutes to the eco-communist lobby and without concern for the lives that will be sacrificed in a blackout, history comes full circle. You see, Governor Andy, a lifelong under-achiever (except for when he was at HUD facilitating easy mortgages to folks who would never them back helping to cause the 2008 fiscal crisis) is facing a critical decision, to close or not to close a nuke plant that generates at least 1/3 of the juice consumed by the leftists infesting NYC and vicinity.
His father Mario, a previous leftist radical Governor, famously killed the Shoreham plant on Long Island (by the same method Andy is considering), a multi-billion dollar completely built plant that was about to go online. Yes it’s true, a vital nuke plant was shuttered before it could generate a single watt and the enormous costs of construction and destruction were born by taxpayers everywhere. Not to mention the fact that if you were a coal plant operator, Mario Cuomo became your best friend as millions of more tons needed to be burned for all these many years to fill the gap. Eco-warrior indeed.
That’s the way it goes up here in the thoroughly corrupt North-East where there are more liberals than cockroaches. Stay tuned for this momentous decision from Andy. He has to thread a needle so it sucks to be him. Will he go for the adulation from the eco-zealots and shut ‘er down and sacrifice human beings to the inevitable blackout carnage, or re-license the two reactors and allow NYC to have barely enough, very expensive as it is, juice to light up the various monuments to urban civilization?
People outside of the NYC area must realize that this nuke plant is but one skirmish in the world war on modern society. The war is everywhere. All ‘liberals’ and ‘leftists’ and ‘socialists’ are simultaneously fighting fracking, drilling in the arctic, along the coasts, on ‘government’ lands, fighting all pipelines everywhere, new coal plants, old coal plants, and have successfully frozen new nuke power since the 1980’s, and are working to close exisiting ones. Meanwhile we sit here dutifully playing three-card monte or the shell game where Queensberrian gentleman insist we stick to the pure ‘scientific’ and ‘academic’ dispute over CO2, distracting us from the other shell or hand – the all out leftist attack on EVERY single segment of energy production. I find the shell game analogy ironic here since nice guys like McIntyre often use the analogy: ‘watch what the other hand is doing’. Well I hope they eventually start to follow their own advice. Here’s a clue, “electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket”. Another election approaches. If you have learned anything at all it is time to park your cognitive dissonance at the door and completely wipe out the liberals at the ballot box.
(NB: to our foreign friends, “liberal” has a different meaning here than you might be used to. It is politically synonymous with leftist, socialist, radical, neo-communist. Has been at least since LBJ kickstarted the welfare state in 1966, and well before that really. Think FDR, LBJ, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Clinton, Kerry. “Liberal” does NOT have anything to do with classic liberalism, or freedom, or equality, or enlightenment, or knowledge. It is quite the opposite. It is about the nanny state, the welfare state, the socialist slave state. It is about Control. And about Power.)
Some open thread music 🙂
Smokey, I was drinking my coffee … You owe me a new keyboard! 😀
Tides, Earth’s core oscillations and the Japan’s earthquakes
Deep within the Earth, is the outer core, which extends to a depth of around 3000 miles beneath the surface. It is believed that is made up of super-heated liquid molten lava made mostly of iron and nickel. This is the area where the Earth’s magnetic forces are generated, strength of field is estimated to be about 25 Gauss, about 50 times greater than that on the Earth’s surface.
I speculate that since it is liquid the outer core is also affected by tidal forces in a similar manner to the oceans, but also I assumed that the magnetic field would be providing a brake on its movement.
Combining the tidal effects on the Earth’s outer core from the known gravitational and magnetic oscillations I found the result to be somewhat unexpected:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Sun-Earth1.htm
Note: blue curve is delayed by few years, which could wrongly imply some predictive power. Since no major Japan’s earthquakes were listed for the 1900-1920 period no conclusions should be drawn about long term implications for a possible correlation.
pat says: August 28, 2012 at 2:39 pm
another Mannian moment:
“…There are a number of areas where in fact climate change seems to be proceeding faster and with a greater magnitude than what the models predicted,” Mann told AFP. (My bold).
Surely, all Mann is saying here is that the models are WRONG!