Al Gore’s credibility wanes – just 24% now consider him to be an “expert” on global warming

With the upcoming Gore-a-thon set for September 14th, Gore needs an attention boost more than ever. And that’s not all, the number of people that beleive the sun has a role is growing. 60% of likely U.S. Voters think it’s at least somewhat likely that the level of activity on the sun, including solar flares and sunspots, has an impact on the long-term heating and cooling of the earth’s atmosphere. Just 22% feel that it’s unlikely solar activity influences the atmosphere’s long-term temperature.

From Rasmussen reports:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows that just 24% of voters consider Gore an expert on global warming. Fifty-nine percent (59%) do not think Gore is an expert on the subject, an increase in skepticism of 12 points since March 2007.  Another 18% are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

While a plurality of Democrats (43%) considers Gore an expert on global warming, most Republicans (80%) and voters not affiliated with either major political party (65%) disagree.

Gore may disagree, but most voters believe solar activity has an impact on global cooling and warming. A narrow plurality gives human activity the edge over sun activity, though, when it comes to which one has a bigger impact on the problem.

Gore is viewed at least somewhat favorably by 40% of voters, with 14% holding a Very Favorable opinion of him. Fifty-three percent (53%) regard him at least somewhat unfavorably, including 38% with a Very Unfavorable view.

That’s some bad chakra. Even serial wailer Bill McKibben’s message on “weather is climate, it really is, especially when there’s a hurricane” is falling out of favor too:

With hurricane season in full swing, 41% of American Adults believe global warming is creating climate changes that lead to more extreme weather events.  But that’s down 14 points from June 2008 when 55% felt that way. Forty-three percent (43%) disagree and say global warming is not producing more extreme weather.

Read the whole report here at Rasmussen reports

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93 thoughts on “Al Gore’s credibility wanes – just 24% now consider him to be an “expert” on global warming

  1. There shouldn’t be even that many who take him seriously…I blame terrible high school science teachers.

    (Hey, wait just a darn minute there…)

    :)

  2. Not to be a balloon-breaker or anything, but I’m a consesus-skeptic, no matter whose consensus is being trotted out. While I may agree that the statistics suggest that the Al Gore Rhythm is getting increasingly un-groovy, his drum beat is still loud, and still dangerous. I hope you’re right, rbateman, but until Gore can credibly silence himself, we should all be worried.

  3. Algore’s primary failing is finally catching up to him. Al’s problem is that he has not for a moment behaved in his personal life as if he took all the hysterical BS he’s been relentlessly spreading the least bit seriously. 99% of the public haven’t got a clue about the science of the climate, but they do love their gossip. When you’re ranting hysterically about 20 foot rises in sea level, while simultaneously purchasing a couple multi-million dollar sea side properties even the detached public will notice eventually. When you are telling people they need to ditch their SUVs and confine their transport to micro electric suicide boxes, while flying about on private jets and being driven around by convoys of even bigger SUVs, which sit idling outside while you make your little speeches and collect your honoraria, people will notice. Al has always talked the talk, but not once has really walked the walk. It took much longer than I thought, but the world is finally on to him.

  4. If you start from a position of lying to support your political objective, its inconvenient that the great unwashed masses (us) wont forget what you did and why you did it. No amount of hand waving and personal attacks on the integrity of others will wipe out that memory. Our dear (read economically destructively expensive) Prime minister Julia would well consider that point,

    There comes a time to recant and simply say, I was wrong, instead of digging the hole deeper!!

  5. Shows how dumb Americans are, it is impossible for the Sun to be responsible for warming as Sloar activity has been declining for the last 30 years.

  6. The warmists forgot one thing when they tried to persuade the world that AGW is happening and that is common sense. They were unable to provide answers to the following questions:
    1) Why should I be paying a fortune for my gas,electricity,petrol and flights and have my countryside disfigured by windmills when industrial giants like China and India do nothing and have booming economies?
    2) What % of CO2 in the atmosphere is regarded as “safe”?
    3) 3% of CO2 in the atmosphere is man made, how do we deal with the other 97%?
    4) Why have we had three cold winters in a row (with a fourth predicted) when we were told that AGW would mean that snow in the UK would be a thing of the past?
    5) Likewise with the cool and wet summers?
    6) Why are we building more wind turbines when we need power stations running in the background to provide power when the wind doesn’t blow?
    7) Why are people who question AGW derided, insulted and described as “mentally ill” by AGW supporters?
    8) If the science is “settled” why do we need more money pumped into research?
    9) Is AGW as likely to end the world as HIV, bird flu, swine flu, tobacco, alcohol, mad cow disease, the millennium bug, 2012 and whatever date this year that some idiot told us would end mankind?
    10) Climategate, hockey sticks, lawyers paid vast sums to prevent data paid for by the public, being seen by the public?
    11) The global economic meltdown will be nothing in comparison to what will happen to the worldwide economy if we reduce CO2 emissions to the levels proposed. Is it worth it?

  7. didn’t realise we were asleep!

    9 Sept: Sydney Morning Herald, Australia: Adam Gartrell, AAP Diplomatic Correspondent: UN boss urges climate sceptics to wake up
    United Nations boss Ban Ki-moon has urged sceptical Australians to face up to the “alarming” reality of climate change as he wrapped up a week-long tour of the Pacific…
    “For those people who are still sceptical about the impact of climate change then I would invite them to visit Kiribati,” Mr Ban told journalists in Canberra.
    “I would invite them to visit the Aral Sea or Lake Chad.
    “You will see very clearly that something is happening much, much faster than you may think. This is alarming.”…
    “The Aral Sea was more shocking,” he said.
    “What I saw was continuing, endless seabed, now only salt. There was no single drop of water I could see.”
    Mr Ban said the science of climate change was clear.
    “We must take action. Every country – big or small – they have to take their national measures. And every citizen, they have to do their own (part).”…

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/un-boss-urges-climate-sceptics-to-wake-up-20110909-1k11a.html

  8. Andrew Harding says:
    September 8, 2011 at 11:30 pm
    2) What % of CO2 in the atmosphere is regarded as “safe”?

    In a similar manner, asked but unanswered is ‘What is the ideal global temperature anomaly?’

  9. criminogenic says:
    September 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm
    Shows how dumb Americans are, it is impossible for the Sun to be responsible for warming as Sloar activity has been declining for the last 30 years.

    If you have a high flame under a pot of water, it will heat the water up even if you turn the flame down a bit. The Sun was more than averagely active all the way from around the mid 1930’s all the way to 2003. That’s why the ocean continued to accumulate heat content, despite the decline in the peak amplitudes of the solar cycles after 1958.

    http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/nailing-the-solar-activity-global-temperature-divergence-lie/

  10. What do you expect he is a politician. They are ignorant self aggrandizing specimens after all they can get to boost the bank balance. Gore is no exception.

  11. ‘Al’, ‘Gore’ and ‘expert’. Three words that should never be used in the same sentance.

  12. “Shows how dumb Americans are, it is impossible for the Sun to be responsible for warming as [b]Sloar[/b] activity has been declining for the last 30 years.”

    Oh, the irony…

  13. criminogenic says:
    September 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Shows how dumb Americans are, it is impossible for the Sun to be responsible for warming as Sloar activity has been declining for the last 30 years.

    Haha! Shows how dumb YOU are! Do some (real) research first before posting simplistic illogical statements. And consider this: If two men are in a race, and one starts running faster than the other, he will overtake the other man and get away. Then, if the faster man starts to slow down a little he will STILL keep getting further ahead as long as he is still running faster. So, yes the sun has been “slowing down” a little (as it were), but it’s still been running fast enough to get away.

  14. Mike Bromley the Kurd says: September 8, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Not to be a balloon-breaker or anything, but I’m a consesus-skeptic, no matter whose consensus is being trotted out.

    Totally agree with you, and I doubt you’ll find a single person here that disagrees with you!

  15. I see we have the “pleasure” of hosting Al Gored, in Edinburgh on 27-28Sept.

    Now if anyone could give me the £774.00 to get in, I will promise to do my utmost to ask gore some of the questions he doesn’t want to answer.

    It’s very tempting – Just an hour away – even if only I had a pile of leaflets to hand out.

  16. Mike Bromley the Kurd says:
    September 8, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Gore built his following on political fad, being that Global Warming was all the rage.
    When the public opinion moved on, he lost it. He cannot rewin those whom he lost along the way.
    Even worse for Gore, he has no coattails to ride upon, and Tipper left him.
    Yes, that makes him dangerous.
    How does he now deal with it?

  17. Andrew Harding says:
    September 8, 2011 at 11:30 pm
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    A good summary.

    As the ‘common’ man is forced to dig ever deeper into their pocket to pay for green taxes and subsidies, as fuel bill escalate so that they cannot afford to heat themselves properly and are forced to cut back enduring a cold house during cold winters, and as the economic depression bites harder and harder and it can be seen that many cuts could be avoided by simply putting the green agenda on hold, there will at grass root level be more skeptism of the green agenda and moving away by the populus.

    It is easy to look cool and be green until you have to pay for it and rather than appearing cool be forced to endure the cold..

    The tide of public perception is turning and this will continue to gain momentum. The politicians are lagging behind public perception but they too will eventually see the light and note that a tipping point has been reached after which the green folly will be abandoned as they scrabble to be re-elected

  18. What I find rather telling abotu Gore’s latest attempt at publicity is that the only place I’ve seen it mention is…

    here.

    Not even the BBC, which is fully signed up to CAGW and promoting it at every turn, has a peep about it.

    Sorry, Al, nobody cares about you any more.

  19. This Gore person seems deluded by his own perception of his infallible influence. Sadly for him the decline in his following is having an adverse effect on his persona.

    In the past with adulating crowds he rose in his own mind to a messiah complex, alas for Al he is now seen more as a buffoon, a person to be mocked and derided in song and parody.

    This final overture will probably be his swan song. Bye Al

  20. So, can we infer that the credibility of the IPCC is on equal footing with Al Gore’s?

    Nobel Peace Prize 2007

    The Nobel Peace Prize 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. “for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change”.

    (I still think it’s hilarious that Al got HALF of the Nobel Prize loot and the IPCC had to split their’s [LOL!!].)

  21. Adams says, “Do you have back reports? It would be fun to graph these and see the trend over the last several years.”

    I have the numbers and they show a clear trend upward actually, with in fact a spike upwards in recent years. That is the adjusted data of course with some proxies included, I’ll get around to archiving everything… someday.

    Actually I think I lost the original data. But trust me, his popularity is increasing

  22. The most impressive part of this Attitude Adjustment is that it happened without any help at all from mass media. All “news” stories continue to be written by the Carbon Cult, all “entertainment” assumes the CO2 theory is as self-evident as gravity, all “science” magazines devote half their pages to the latest false and invalid epicycle.

    It’s a lot like the last decades of the Soviet Union. Pravda and Tass continued to carry the party line, but absolutely nobody believed them.

    You’d think the mass media would realize that they’ve already killed their own golden goose, but it’s clear by now that they can’t realize anything. They’ve passed beyond the bounds of sanity, beyond the bounds of normal commercial reasoning.

  23. “Dave N says:
    September 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm
    When someone attempts to rebut mostly with terms like “bullsh*t”, their credibility is likely to plummet.”

    Personally I’ve always found “Horsesh*t” to be the more effective rebuttal.

  24. I would not make too much out of public opinion polls. Public opinion is notoriously fickle, and even when the pollsters do a careful job designing and administering the poll questions, the results (IMHO) are “soft” and can quickly change with circumstances.

    I suspect most of the decline in the public’s acceptance of AGW theory and agenda is the increasing disinclination to embark in large, costly and economically damaging schemes to slow or halt it. People in the US and other industrial societies are more and more focused on their personal economic circumstances and less and less confident they can afford the cost and disruption the remedies pushed by Al Gore et. al. will entail.

    When the economy turns around, I suspect AGW concerns will become trendier. Of course, in order for the economy to turn around, we have to stop flogging it with stupid policies like Cap & Trade, carbon taxes, regulatory strangulation of energy development, etc. Once we escape the immediate situation caused in part by our own stupidity, people will probably embrace another round of the same stupidity, as long as it makes them feel good.

    As Churchill summarized his final volume of the history of WWII:

    “How the democracies triumphed, and were thereby able to resume the practices which had so nearly cost them their lives”. [ Quotation from memory; don't hold me to the exact wording ].

    — “Put not your faith in the gratitude of princes” [ or the constancy of public opinion ]

    PS: The Aral Sea situation referred to by UK Secretary General Ban Ki-moon (comment by “pat” above) is indeed an ecological disaster, but it has nothing to do with Global Warming and was instead caused entirely by stupid Soviet actions starting in the 1960’s to support cotton farming.

    I can’t think of a better example to argue *against* engaging in a massive government-run initiative to “fix” Global Warming.

  25. There is no accounting for people who believe in fiction. There were people who believed the movie Apocalypse Now accurately depicted how it was in the Vietnam War. Go figure.

    While you might give someone a break on believing the movie how do you give a break to anyone who doubts the impact of the sun on the earths climate yet believes in a snake oil salesman looking for profit?

  26. “60% of likely U.S. Voters think it’s at least somewhat likely that the level of activity on the sun, including solar flares and sunspots, has an impact on the long-term heating and cooling of the earth’s atmosphere.”

    The irony ! Talk about getting your head chopped off by your own weapon!

    The tactics was to come up with lots of simple messages about CAGW so that everyone would get it….slogans……and ended up with people seeing through the message….

  27. Public opinion is fickle and can turn on a dime. Remember, our children get 12-years of public school education indoctrination before they become old enough to vote.

  28. Since Lake Chad’s problems started in the early 60s, it again is not really a poster child for ‘Climate Mot-du-Jour’ and much of its problems are overusing/overgrazing.

  29. Now manbearpig and his associates are planning to flood the net with spam.

    “Yes, the latest frontier in online activism has been breached by Gore and the kids over at the Climate Reality Project, who want you to donate your Facebook and/or Twitter account so they can force your friends to be as active as you are in fighting the Green fight.”

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/09/al_gore_asks_people_to_donate_their_social_media_accounts/

  30. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows that just 24% of voters consider Gore an expert on global warming
    ================================================================
    Conservatives do not poll……
    …they hang up

  31. I’m really sorry to quote Wikipedia, but the Aral Sea climate quote got me interested:

    “Formerly one of the four largest lakes in the world with an area of 68,000 square kilometres (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea has been steadily shrinking since the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet Union irrigation projects.”

    How is it climate change if they pumped the water out?

  32. Nuke Nemesis says:
    September 9, 2011 at 6:01 am

    Public opinion is fickle and can turn on a dime. Remember, our children get 12-years of public school education indoctrination before they become old enough to vote.

    ———————–

    Nuke Nemesis,

    For me it is fundamentally in doubt that a free society can remain free if most of its education is from state schools.

    The situation in that regard is not optimistic. But there are many other aspects of the human condition that make future freedom very optimistic, indeed.

    John

  33. http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html

    “70-90 years oscillations in global mean temperature are correlated with corresponding oscillations in solar activity. Whereas the solar influence is obvious in the data from the last four centuries, signatures of human activity are not yet distinguishable in the observations.”

    Solar activity varies the solar magnetic field, which modulates cosmic rays levels. Cosmic rays seed cloud formation, thus low solar activity -> higher albedo -> cooling

  34. The tight correlation between Democrats and those that believe in Al Gore shows this whole thing is politically motivated. And since the Dems believe Keynsian Economics is the way to prosperity (NOT!), is it any wonder they believe is the CO2 fairy tale? Both are absurd assumptions, as reality is showing with great clarity.

  35. polistra says:
    September 9, 2011 at 5:40 am
    All “news” stories . . .

    You’ve been told a million times not to exaggerate:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904537404576554750502443800.html?KEYWORDS=the+other+climate

    Title: The Other Climate Theory
    Subtitle: Al Gore won’t hear it, but heavenly bodies might be . . .

    This article, by Anne Jolis (an editorial page writer for The Wall Street Journal Europe), is about Svensmark’s work and the recent CLOUD experiments.

  36. View from the Solent says:
    September 9, 2011 at 7:07 am
    “Yes, the latest frontier in online activism has been breached by Gore and the kids over at the Climate Reality Project, who want you to donate your Facebook ”

    Takes Astroturfing to a whole new level! Now we know why he talked of a “grassroots” movement.

  37. Now, which trailers do the 24% live in? The same 24% that watch Springer?

    I can hear the insane laughter from my son over in San Fran, now polishing his snow board after I sent him the NOAA Climate Prediction Center’s reporting La Niña is back this morning!

  38. “Dave N says:
    September 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm
    When someone attempts to rebut mostly with terms like “bullsh*t”, their credibility is likely to plummet.”

    I always say “Really?” With a raised eyebrow and knowing smile. Seems to work better than the pejorative.

  39. Dear all,
    I have just found the article “The Sun Defines the Climate”, by Habibullo Abdussamatov, Dr. Sc. Head of Space Research Laboratory of the Pulkovo Observatory, Head of the Russian/Ukrainian Joint Project Astrometria.
    You can read about it in my page at http://www.oarval.org/ClimateChange.htm
    Dr. Abdussamatov is flying an automated solar telescope on the ISS and he knows a few things:
    “Experts of the United Nations in regular reports publish data said to show that the Earth is approaching a catastrophic global warming, caused by increasing emissions of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. However, observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in temperature, carbon dioxide is “not guilty” and as for what lies ahead in the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global, and very prolonged, temperature drop.”
    You can read about it at http://www.oarval.org/ClimateChange.htm (Climate Change, The cyclic nature of Earth’s climate).

  40. David L says:
    September 9, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Sadly these polls show there are still
    quite a few ignorant and gullible people.
    ==============================================
    Dr Master blog title is: Hottest US summer in 75 years……
    …and of course, people are running with it saying it proves global warming

    Doesn’t it dis-prove global warming?

  41. Two comments:
    1) AGW data analysis summary:

    A warming globe requires the oceans to heat up.
    They didn’t, so it isn’t.

    2) Anyone else notice the similarities (in tone and circumstance) between Rahm’s “Dead!” rant, complete with steakknives, about Clinton’s in-house opponents, and Gore’s “Bullshit” brain-dump?

  42. These polls are normally complete C.R.a.P. because they do not take quantum theory into account. It is impossible to measure an outcome without influencing that outcome. By asking the questions they are impingeing on the consciousness of people who may have no opinion on Global Warming and are consequently inducing such an opinion by their question. We have managed to isolate and remove many of the leading questions in polls, also many of the Hobson’s choice questions but the problem of creating an opinion by the very act of asking is still insoluble.

    P.S. You have to marvel at the ignorance of an international “leader” who thinks the Aral Sea dried up from Global Warming. Sheeesh! I thought Kiribati was supposed to have sunk beneath the waves by now? How come it is still there for him to visit?

  43. Scottish sceptic at 9 Sept 2.38 am. 774 pounds! That’s about $1700 AUD. Who would be mad enough to pay that much to listen to that jerk? No – just write letters to the local ‘rags’ and tell other people if they hire ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ from the DVD hire shop they will get more value for say four pounds than that B! Or you could all arrive in your tartan kilts and do a Braveheart ‘moon’ when he arrives. LOL If I know the Scots they would pay that much to see Madonna nude.

  44. Mike86 says: September 9, 2011 at 7:20 am

    “Formerly one of the four largest lakes in the world with an area of 68,000 square kilometres (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea has been steadily shrinking since the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet Union irrigation projects.”

    How is it climate change if they pumped the water out?

    Oh, Mike86! How dare you ask such an inconvenient question?!

    Clearly Mr. Ban knows no more (and quite possibly far less) about “climate science” than even Al Gore – or the IPCC and whoever dreams up its “unequivocally” successful Press Releases.

    Which reminds me, if anyone’s wondering where the “talking points” we’ve heard ad nauseam for the last few years might have originated, look no further than the IPCC’s very own Feb. 2/2007 Press Release – which, interestingly, the WMO, one of the IPCC’s “parents”, had issued with the disclaimer: “For use of the information media. Not an official record”. The UNEP – the IPCC’s other “parent” – (and the UN itself) had no such compunctions [h/t PaulM via Bishop Hill]:

    Evidence is now ‘unequivocal’ that humans are causing global warming – UN report

    Evidence of Human-caused Global Warming “Unequivocal”, says IPCC [From UNEP site]

    And of course we all know that Mr. Ban’s UN empire is a paragon of honesty, truthfulness and probity. NOT.

  45. The political agenda is that the West (or industrial nations) fork out money to help poor nations.
    We do supply foreign aid? But when you think about it, this AGW goes deeper than this. The UN
    Climate change fund has or will be ripping off Australia to the tune of 600 million A YEAR! To be distributed by the UN to undeveloped countries for the damage ‘We’ are doing to their environment via AGW Climate change. This human rights delegation of the UN, Libya was on it?

    In my opinion, that to help undeveloped countries we should make sure they are energy sufficient
    to drive important communications and electricity. Maybe this could be a petrol driven generator for a little hospital in Kenya, that has only one solar panel that can only provide enough energy to drive one small beer refrigerator where they keep all their vaccinations, serums, etc. It can’t drive at night lights or the refrigerator. An petrol driven generator would provide both, plus computers and TV’s. Or instead of investing in clean or green energy, here in Australia, give the starving at Cape 10 million to feed the worthy. Rick Perry might if he gets the primary numbers be
    the best bet for America. So long as he doesn’t pick Sarah as his VP running mate? God Forbid.

  46. RE: bushbunny: (September 10, 2011 at 2:53 am)
    “Rick Perry might if he gets the primary numbers be the best bet for America. So long as he doesn’t pick…

    Perhaps it will be a Perry/Cain ticket that takes the White House by storm…

  47. bushbunny says:
    September 10, 2011 at 2:53 am


    So long as he doesn’t pick Sarah as his VP running mate? God Forbid.

    Of course! We’d never want the candidate that both Democrats and Republicans loath because of her history of fighting corruption and cronyism within those two parties. Let’s just keep Sarah out of it, but ask either or both of those corrupt political parties go after UN corruption. (Certainly, corruption should recognize corruption–don’t you think?)

    Yup, that’s the ticket!

    /sarc off.

  48. It would be interesting to plot the rise of CO2 and Gore’s followers, I’ll bet we could find a negative correlation. PROOF: Increased CO2 causes Doubters !!! ;-))

  49. I have just heard that the UK is going to suffer from 80mph winds on Monday. If there are any gamblers on WUWT who would like to bet that Gore, the IPCC, the Met Office or all of them will blame it on global warming?

  50. RockyRoad says:
    September 10, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Rocky – I’m not a big ‘Palin’ fan but you give credit where credit is due. She did shake up, expose, and disrupt significant corruption embedded in both political parties up in Alaska, while governor. Rather than buying into the popular media portrayal of her, folks need to dig a bit deeper….. to assess the merits of every candidate.

  51. I have just been taught a lesson. I got part way through cleaning my car when the heavens opened, the car and I got soaked. The car has a 4.6 litre V8 engine, had it got a 1.0 litre straight 4 or an electric engine, then it would not have rained. This seems to be the logic used by Al Gore and his 24% followers.

  52. hro001 kindly provided a link to the IPCC current position on climate change.
    I followed the link and read down to the last paragraph which I re-read twice in disbelief.
    It says:
    The IPCC does not conduct new research. Instead, its mandate is to make policy-relevant assessments of the existing worldwide literature on the scientific, technical and socio-economic aspects of climate change. Its reports have played a major role in inspiring governments to adopt and implement the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and the Kyoto Protocol, a binding pact on greenhouse gas emissions.

    In other words the global cooling of the last few years is to be ignored.
    Anthony I think this is quite significant if you agree on my interpretation of it.

  53. When the economy turns around, I suspect AGW concerns will become trendier.

    I don’t think so.

    It’s going to take a long while for the economy to turn around. If the meltdown in the USA is followed by a Eurozone meltdown (now well under way) and finally by a Chinese meltdown, full recovery could easily take another 5 years, even a decade.

    And by the time all of that is cleared up, CAGW or CACC will have gone the way of phrenology and eugenics.

  54. After hearing of Ban Ki-moon’s rants about the Aral Sea and Lake Chad, I’m surprised he didn’t throw in Lake Urmia/Oroumieh/Orumiyeh (spellings vary).

    But it’s in Iran, and it wouldn’t be politic for the Secretary General of the UN to appear disrespectful of the Islamic Republic’s military theocracy.

  55. I imagine that former Vice President Gore would find himself faced with a very serious moral dilemma if he were to ever wake up one morning and discover he had suffered an overnight epiphany such that he no longer believed the world was faced with a Global Warming problem and the danger of a runaway CO2 catastrophe.

    RE: Mac the Knife: (September 10, 2011 at 9:55 am)
    “Rather than buying into the popular media portrayal of her, folks need to dig a bit deeper….. to assess the merits of every candidate.”

    Quite true. I suspect that there may be those who have contributed to this unfair media portrayal who might come to regret that activity if they find they have only opened the door for someone *they* view as even less desirable than Governor Palin.

  56. Probably the same 25% that think the govt. was behind 9/11….

    South Park appropriately labels these people as mental retards.

  57. sorepaw says:
    September 10, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    When the economy turns around, I suspect AGW concerns will become trendier.

    I don’t think so.

    It’s going to take a long while for the economy to turn around. If the meltdown in the USA is followed by a Eurozone meltdown (now well under way) and finally by a Chinese meltdown, full recovery could easily take another 5 years, even a decade.

    And by the time all of that is cleared up, CAGW or CACC will have gone the way of phrenology and eugenics.

    Eugenics never went away. It rebranded as progressivism and took over most of the world’s governments. We are now in a fight for our lives against it.

  58. @RockyRoad says:
    September 10, 2011 at 7:15 am

    The interesting angle with Palin is that the exact same things were said about Reagan. Indeed, while there was less of it said due to the Internet still being in its infancy, the rhetoric was just as heated about how bad he was. And of course for any honest person over the age of 40, we know that he was the best president in modern times, bar none.

    I really wish Palin would get in. I like Bachmann (an excellent VP) and Perry (not as enthused), but Palin is my first choice.

  59. O/T Hi Spector and PhilJourdon, I respect both your views as I am not American of course. But what about Ron Paul? The thing about Sarah, although I think she is absolutely stunning to look at, is she is not well versed with international politics or has not a world view commiserate with a political aide, let alone anyone who should be near the top end of politics. She was proven to be a loose cannon. She tends, in my opinion, to open her mouth before engaging her brain. However, humans walked with dinosaurs? We didn’t and she is a creationist not evolutionist.

    Sometimes the observer sees all the game, not the players?

  60. The nice thing about these forums is we are exposed to views from outside our little cocoons. I have learned a lot about Australia Politicis reading Joanne Nova’s blog, so I am happy to respond to Bush Bunny here.

    Ron Paul is of course a libertarian. As such, he has some great economic ideas. He is socially liberal (the hallmark of a libertarian is less government period – which conforms to the “live and let live” of some of the social issues of this time). But he is also an isolationist. WHile not totally wrong in that regard (we do need to stop being the world’s policemen), his views do run to the pure side of it and wants us to withdraw to our borders (and let the world care for itself). I see that as a problem. We have been shown twice in the past 70 years that isolationism does not work (12/7/41 and 9/11/01). While we may not need to be galivanting around the Middle east interfering in Egypt, Syria, Libya, Yemen, and Iraq, it is evident that we need to be on guard against rogue nations like Iran. We can go into the exact meaning at another venue.

    That is why I do not support him. I understand his positions, and agree with most of them. But our president is unlike a prime minister in a key area. While he can preen for the cameras on domestic issues, his real legacy is in foreign policy (congress does the heavy lifting on Domestic issues, although not recently).

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