Dr. Roger Pielke writes in with an update:
[UPDATE 5/7: Joe Romm offers 3,300 wacky words in response to this short post. Crazy. Anyway, the simple response is, did Gore remove the slide I called him out on for using? Answer: Yes. Game, set, match. For those many readers here for the first time (thanks Joe, this is now the second most viewed post in the history of this blog!) here is a link to my recent book on climate change.]
This is strong language from Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. who wrote to me and suggested I share this with my readers. After getting slimed by Joe Romm for the nth time, he finally had enough. He writes:
It is long overdue for the environmental community to start pushing back on Romm as he continues to stain their entire enterprise. His lies and smear tactics, which are broadly embraced and condoned, are making enemies out of friends and opponents out of fellow travelers. Vigorous debate is welcome and healthy. Lies and character assassination not so much.
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Romm gets nasty with his enemies. Look out. Now with GE getting smart, he will find others to attack. Must be a bad day when GE fessus up.
Romm attacked the Koch brothers. To bad they ae MIT grads also. Now he can attack the school.
MIT seems to be the last bastion of sanity over there
Oil companies understand the laws of supply and demand far better than their customers do. They have been funding the Environmentalist movement for years to make trouble. It is effectively impossible to build a new refinery. That means low supply, high demand, which means high prices and profits.
Romm is a hysteric. The hoax drew him in and now he is stuck with his gullibility hanging out for all to see.
” Vigorous debate is welcome and healthy. Lies and character assassination not so much.”
I have not read a lie by Joe Romm, but on this blog there was a graph from Mr. Goddard showing sea levels rising and in a later posting from Mr. Sowell the statement that ocean levels are falling. This would mean that either Mr. Goddard or Mr. Sowell are not telling the truth. Which non-truth teller is being posted on this blog and why?
My posts started getting un-posted so I’ve pretty much stopped reading his site.
Joe Romm lies? It’s contageous in the AGW camp. So does Ben at Wott’s Up With That:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/the-silliest-rebuttal-yet-from-ben-at-wottsupwiththat/
I like the theory that Romm is actually anti-green and is so over-the-top as to do the green-movement an intentional disservice.
sceptical,
You assume people are lying because they use different data sets?? FYI, your hero Joe Romm is a poisonous little toad, vile and filled with hatred. Like others here, I can’t stomach reading his really despicable pseudo-science blog, where he routinely censors or vilifies even the most reasonable comments if they don’t support his failed catastrophic AGW fantasy. That’s some HE-RO you got there.
sceptical says:
May 6, 2011 at 4:55 pm
“I have not read a lie by Joe Romm…”
Well, newcomers are always welcome. From this site you can learn a lot about the hysterical fantasies of people like Joe Romm.
sceptical is a denier of the truth: that his God Romm is really a phony. “he has never read a lie from Romm”.
I am too busy laughing at that, maybe someone can help him out and educate him on one of the 4 billion lies that man has told.
[snip. Understand, but we’re not them. ~dbs, mod.]
sceptical says:
“I have not read a lie by Joe Romm”
Well, here’s your chance. Documented and linked.
@sceptical
Does it frighten you that there might be more than one opinion on a subject? That the science isn’t as settled as you have been spoon fed to believe?
Try reading both articles and evaluate the arguments on their merits (not with ad-homs, appeals to authority or counting PhDs). Use the differing viewpoints to form _your_own_ opinion, rather than expecting the uniformity of narrative portrayed by the alarmist camp – for that unifom narrative is the hallmark of doctrine, not science.
Pitting thesis against antithesis is how _science_ is done. Doctrine on the other hand requires only one point of view.
Joe Romm lies?
Talk about old news.
A cornered animal is the most dangerous animal. Like a cornered animal, when you challenge someone’s belief with unassailable facts and/or threaten that person’s money then that is when the person is most dangerous. I’ve long said the quickest way to make someone really angry is to be right.
I have a different perspective. I know it hurts to be personally attacked, but Romm is a nutjob. He goes full stupid on many issues. I say, Romm is one of the better spokesperson for the skeptical argument. Sure, his little group of groupies will soak up anything he says, but any rational individual can see how vapid and petty his arguments are. Let him blather himself in circles. He is a source of much humor. Best of all, its on someone else’ dime! Some one else is paying (I didn’t say Soros) for our amusement! I would tell Mr. Pielke to wear his attacks as a badge, but that would be akin to wearing the army service ribbon. I mean sure, its an accomplishment, but every soldier has one. Me, just being an average skeptic would like to be attacked by fullstupidRomm, but once you have one…….pphhhttt.
Paid to lie. I pity him. Imagine that he knows the truth but can’t say it for fear of his paymasters.
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@Skeptical
“I have not read a lie by Joe Romm, but on this blog there was a graph from Mr. Goddard showing sea levels rising and in a later posting from Mr. Sowell the statement that ocean levels are falling. This would mean that either Mr. Goddard or Mr. Sowell are not telling the truth. Which non-truth teller is being posted on this blog and why?”
I often try to be civil even when dealing with total screwballs — of which there is no shortage on the internet in general and any blog discussing climate change. But it’s really hard sometimes. If you take a look at the sea level rise data from Colorado University http://sealevel.colorado.edu/ you’ll find that the overall trend is up, but for the past several years, the rate of change of sea level has dropped off which is presumably what Mr Sowell is talking about. (I personally do not think the slight drop off is indicative of anything).
If you are seriously looking for enlightenment, take a look at the 130 years of sea level data (Wikipedia has a nice chart) and try to reconcile it with the hysteria about sea level rise. I can’t. I don’t think you can. I don’t think anyone can. Even the IPCC — an organization not known for its moderation — can only conjure up a rise over the next century of 1-2 feet. http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-5-1-figure-1.html Based on the historic record, I’d bet on the low end of their range … about a foot.
James Sexton says:
May 6, 2011 at 5:42 pm
“I have a different perspective. I know it hurts to be personally attacked, but Romm is a nutjob. He goes full stupid on many issues.”
There is an old comic from the Seventies. In the first panel, Washington says “I cannot tell a lie.” In the second panel, Nixon says “I cannot tell the truth.” In the third panel, toothy Jimmy Carter says “I cannot tell the difference.” Romm is lucky that he cannot tell the difference. He lives in a world of hysterical fantasy. If he could tell the difference, he could not live there.
Romm is the Mike Malloy of alarmists.
If you know who Malloy is you know that is not nice.
Steve Oregon
I have to go rinse my eyes out, Romm and Malloy in the same post!
ARRRGH….
I don’t keep up with what Mr. Romm has to say, why would I?
I’m sure deliberately telling lies will always catch you up.
There’s no real excuse for being ignorant tho!
Lately I can relate to what Pielke Jr has to say, I’ll be tuning in to this guy so to speak.
Romm is Frankie Carbone from Goodfellas. With a lisp.
sceptical says:
May 6, 2011 at 4:55 pm
” Vigorous debate is welcome and healthy. Lies and character assassination not so much.”
I have not read a lie by Joe Romm, but on this blog there was a graph from Mr. Goddard showing sea levels rising and in a later posting from Mr. Sowell the statement that ocean levels are falling. This would mean that either Mr. Goddard or Mr. Sowell are not telling the truth. Which non-truth teller is being posted on this blog and why?
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Uhmm, first, show links…….It stops the he said/she said arguments. Secondly, understand Romm intentionally takes things out of context and presents strawman arguments. Thirdly, endeavor understand the general concept of sea-levels and time, instruments, and locations. Lastly, (and I know this is a hard concept for people like you) opinions posted here are not always the opinion of Anthony. He allows for a full discourse of ideas. Some may or may not be valid, but people here get a fair hearing. It allows the readers to discern for themselves instead of being told what to believe. Tricky stuff, I know, but it seems to work …….. in a free society. Pinhead.
Steve Oregon says:
May 6, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Romm is the Mike Malloy of alarmists.
If you know who Malloy is you know that is not nice.
you mean the guy who can’t stop saying “BUSH CRIME FAMILY”, “BUSH CRIME FAMILY”, “BUSH CRIME FAMILY” over and over again? i think he has Bush and Kennedy confused…probably some kind of defense mechanism…