Twittering Heights and Knife Fights

James Hrynyshyn

One of the bloggers over at ScienceBlogs, this happy looking guy at left, seems to have a real problem with people (me) interpreting Twitter feeds in ways that perhaps the originators didn’t intend (or like).

I don’t follow Twitter feeds, though my blog does provide a feed to notice new posts. That’s all I use it for.

I find it hilarious that James Hrynyshyn can get upset about this, citing my “lack of research into a Twitter quote”, which I found on the Bishop Hill Blog in this post  http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/1/16/mooney-on-climategate.html

(note the h/t to Bish and quote in my original article)

But truth is often stranger than fiction.

Had Bishop Hill not noticed and blogged on it, this lone tweet would never have been known by me, because as I said I don’t follow Twitter feeds. Bishop Hill’s blog is where it started, but it seems you missed that story and the 109 comments with it.

And while we are in the vein of Hrynyshyn’s “no serious journalist uses Twitter” discussion, I’ll point out that NYT’s Andy Revkin seems to put quite a bit of substance into Twitter.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/vanishing-planet-in-140-amusing-characters/

Mr. Hrynyshyn laments the 140 character limit as not being worthy of a serious journalist.

“The point is, why would anyone ever assume that a tweet was accurate, representative or useful for anything more than a starting point for further research. I mean, there’s only 140 characters to go on…”

Well, newsflash buddy, radio/TV sound bytes and quotes in newspaper articles aren’t much different in size. Take this quote in yesterday’s Guardian from NASA GISS Scientist Dr. Gavin Schmidt, International Man of Mystery, who sounded the alarm on the impossible claims of a climate paper:

In an email, Gavin Schmidt, a Nasa climatologist wrote: “2.4C by 2020 (which is 1.4C in the next 10 years – something like six to seven times the projected rate of warming) has no basis in fact.”

Let’s see…using this free online tool, it counts 137 characters for Gavin, including punctuation. That’s comfortably a tweet sized quote in a major globally read newspaper.

But, being the big evil tweet mangling guy that I am who doesn’t apparently understand the role of full context journalism, I offered my forum to Dr. Petersen in good faith to allow his side of his story (with fuller context) to be told, even though I’m not in agreement with him on many issues.

Unfortunately Mr. Hrynyshyn while at the same time bashing me for “incomplete Twitter research” (my take on his post) and supposedly holding a grudge, doesn’t do any research of his own at all and  misses the facts as to why Dr. Peterson and I are at odds over surface data.

Dr. Peterson ghost wrote a critique of the surfacestations project via NCDC:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/24/ncdc-writes-ghost-talking-points-rebuttal-to-surfacestations-project/

Science done anonymously from a government agency to harangue a nationwide citizen effort (650 volunteers) where we found only 1 in 10 climate stations in compliance with NOAA’s most basic 100 foot rule? It seems rather revealing that Dr. Petersen would not put his name to that. Unfortunately for him he did, but just didn’t know it at the time and he got exposed for it.

And then later, his NCDC companions “borrowed” (against my protests) my preliminary non quality controlled data (published on the website for the volunteers to check progress and compare notes) to beat me to publishing a paper before we had the surfacestations project even finished:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/27/rumours-of-my-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/

That’s “quality science” according to Hrynyshyn? Heh. It’s more like a dark political game if you ask me. On the plus side, being first does not always mean being best.

Dr. Peterson and the 2011 Sci bloggers conference have probably learned a valuable lesson. If you don’t want people to write about something without full context, don’t provide a live Twitter feed left hanging in the Ether afterwards without also providing a recording of the live video/audio feed afterwards.

Having a live feed of an event is great, but not everyone can catch it; as Bish lamented: “I discovered the talk too late to pick up the live stream…“. A video/audio recording is what’s really needed. I looked for one, and found none that day I wrote about Peterson’s “knife fight” comment. It’s dead now:

I would venture that if you don’t want people to draw conclusions you don’t like from Twitter, don’t use it to post a stream of snippeted consciousness. But they seemed pretty big on the idea of Tweets, as it got top billing on the website header:

In fact, they seem pretty darned proud of all the @scio11 tweets, as the top entry in the Scio2011 conference blog displays:

Gosh, almost 10,000 tweets from 1200 contributors and 3000 tweets the day that Dr. Petersen spoke. It seems like a veritable Tweet Orgy. But Mr. Hrynyshyn seems to think that I should not have paid any attention at all to this mass of well advertised (and apparently proud of) tweeting. He writes:

Clearly, the major offender here was not Chris Rowan, but Anthony Watts

For those who don’t know, Chris Rowan of Highly Allochtonous is the guy who made the tweet about Dr. Peterson. He made no follow ups to explain the context, as his next few tweets on his feed show (timeline runs bottom to top):

It seems nobody else was much concerned about the “knife fight” context then either. Ditto for the main Scio2011 Twitter feed at the same time:

Had Scio2011 provided a web accessible recording of their live video/audio feed, anybody could check the context in which Dr. Peterson delivered the “knife fight” remark. As it stands now, many (involved or not) seem to be speculating about the context that Petersen delivered that remark.

So if there’s any recording from the conference, let’s settle that issue once and for all by putting up a video/audio recording of the 2011 Sci Bloggers conference during the session Dr. Peterson spoke in, so we can all see exactly what that context was.

So far, the video recordings they’ve produced out of Scio2011 amount to a whole lotta nothing. Hopefully that’s just a temporary oversight while everyone is letting their thumbs recover.

UPDATE: Bishop Hill writes in comments:

I actually emailed the organisers about when the archive of the “knife fight” session would be available. No reply.

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Frank K.
January 20, 2011 6:17 am

Who is Mr. Hrynyshyn, and why should I care about him?
As for tweeting, well maybe they should make the next Science Online conference tweet free………………………..you know, I just realized how stupid that sounds – “tweeting”, “tweet free”? [sigh]

January 20, 2011 6:24 am

As Osric said: A hit. A very palpable hit.
An incisive, decisive and much deserved retort. Thanks Anthony.
Mr Hrynyshynshyhnhynshsny should hang his head. In shame, that is. Not off a bridge, or anything.

John Marshall
January 20, 2011 6:26 am

If I wanted a name with no vowels that would be the one. How is it pronounced? Is He Hungarian? Finish? From Where is that name?
I was so intrigued by that name I did not read all of the blog!

January 20, 2011 6:31 am

Just a Twitterized youngster. Those too silly and most recent computerized inventions are not for us oldies. 🙂
Really, if we start twitting and blogging and emailing, etc.etc., when are we going to LIVE?

Shevva
January 20, 2011 6:36 am

Antony, any chance you could put a second donation button so we can donate money so you and your fanily can go and enjoy some AGW on a nice beach somewhere, becuase in my mind you bloody we’ll deserve a holiday.

SM
January 20, 2011 6:46 am

So, James, ol’ buddy….how’d ya like that “intellectual high colonic”? Heh heh.

Ken Hall
January 20, 2011 6:50 am

James Hrynyshyn is clearly projecting his own inadequacies.

chris b
January 20, 2011 6:53 am

The references to violence, like knife fights, and nukes, is a privilege of the left, because only the “right” is mean and nasty enough to act on it………. Don’tchya know.

dp
January 20, 2011 6:57 am

This seems to be one of those “Somebody is wrong on the Internet” posts that keep all the participants up all night googling each other, but which most of us don’t care about.

Roy
January 20, 2011 7:02 am

James Hrynyshyn manages to tangle up a very good point about the foolishness of Twitter and tweeting with his evident dislike of you personally and AGW skeptics generally. It was still a good point though, and we should all resolve to ignore Twitter.

Jeremy
January 20, 2011 7:06 am

There are many stages to recognizing you’ve let yourself be deceived.
Confused unfocused anger is one of them.

SSam
January 20, 2011 7:13 am

Conciser me a Luddite if you wish, but I believe tweets are for twits.

James Sexton
January 20, 2011 7:14 am

Nice spankage! Very good Anthony!
So, let me get this straight. They tweet and then don’t like it when someone reads it and interprets the tweet with the information available? K, quit tweeting.

Jeremy
January 20, 2011 7:14 am

Also, Why would anyone use a picture of themselves in that kind of facial expression as a headshot? That picture makes him look like he’s either scolding a child or he’s looking in the mirror trying to mimic Captain Spock’s one-eyebrow raise.

Hoser
January 20, 2011 7:38 am

[snip funny but unfair to Mr Hrynyshyn]

Mark Twang
January 20, 2011 7:46 am

Some things are so meta they make one wish for an asteroid strike or the sun to go supernova and wipe the filthy organic incrustation from the earth in the space of a tweet. Long live death.

Shevva
January 20, 2011 7:50 am
Patrick Davis
January 20, 2011 7:54 am

Crikey! I’ve met people who look like this on dark nights in the past…a nife might not be enough!

David, UK
January 20, 2011 7:56 am

[snip – again unfair to Mr. Hrynyshyn]

January 20, 2011 7:56 am

Just checked ABC and CBS news online and lo and behold both have a Twitter available. ABC has it as a selection in the upper right hand corner along with IPAD app, Facebook etc. CBS has Twitter along the right edge as actual feeds from reporters. The twitter about the new Playboy app was cute. Natali Morris said they weren’t real.
So I guess journalist like those at CBS and ABC are wrong to use Twitter (whatever it is).

David, UK
January 20, 2011 7:57 am

Deifinition
Spelling FAIL. D’oh.

Patrick Davis
January 20, 2011 7:59 am

“Jeremy says:
January 20, 2011 at 7:14 am”
Spock did his thing in style. This guy is just plain, errrm, looks like is in need of a check-up from the neck-up IMO.

Kev-in-UK
January 20, 2011 8:04 am

I do actually agree with the basic premise that tweeting is unlikely to truly convey seriously detailed facts and opinions. But like most of the social networking ‘sites’ I think it’s rather an unlikely source of proper information. I am sure some folk tweet genuine useful info (I don’t tweet myself) and thoughI have never looked, from what I understand, reading through many tweets to find a couple of proper sentences would be rather tedious! I would suspect that Tweeting is for things like sporting events for Joe public to comment on rather than any serious discussion – but I could be wrong, and I accept it is unfair to truly comment without direct experience. Each to their own I guess…

Mike Patrick
January 20, 2011 8:06 am

What if there are other intelligent life forms in the universe . . . but they haven’t been receiving our radio or TV transmissions, they have been receiving our tweets. Do you suppose they are content knowing that theirs is the only intelligent life form?

Laurie Bowen
January 20, 2011 8:08 am

It makes me wonder what the Climate Change debate would be like if a mound of ants had the internet technology at their disposal . . . assuming of course . . . .

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