By Steve Goddard
From the Declining Spring Snowpack Department:
Mammoth Mountain, California June 2, 2010
State % of Average Snowpack ----------- ------------ NEVADA 186 CALIFORNIA 176 OREGON 154 IDAHO 129 WYOMING 116 MONTANA 114 WASHINGTON 112 UTAH 107 ALASKA 79 COLORADO 54 NEW MEXICO 36 ARIZONA 9
A few years ago, our friends at Real Climate made this not very insightful post :
Has Pacific Northwest snowpack declined? Yes.
Well, actually – no. Oregon State Climatologist George Taylor lost his job over this issue. He dared to question the Global Warming Church Orthodoxy.
George Taylor on Global Warming.
by Gienie Assink Tuesday, October 16. 2007
By: Suzanne Penegor
Oregon State Climatologist George Taylor returned to the Lane County Rubicon Society on Sept. 27th to speak as a private citizen regarding global warming issues. The political climate for Taylor has been heated since he disagreed with Gov. Kulongoski by refusing to toe the “politically correct” political line.
Taylor said he still expects the governor to take away his title of state climatologist because of a slight disagreement on global warming issues. When Kulongoski developed the Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions recently, he didn’t even ask for Taylor’s input.
Taylor discussed the history of climate cycles and how, for example, Oregon’s climate was actually much warmer in the 1930s than they are today. Also in the early 1800s there were 2 years where we had no summers in the US. Taylor said World War II enhanced a temperature increase and discussed how cities’ temperatures tend to be higher than rural areas due to human development. Taylor noted that where measurements are taken can affect the temperatures and the data we use to determine climate changes.
Taylor said the greenhouse effect is invisible and essential to life on Earth. He said 90% of it is water vapor and then the rest of it is methane and carbon dioxide.
Taylor noted that the tropical pacific patterns, the El Nino and La Nina events, and the impact they have on global temperatures overall. He said humans have some impact, but not nearly as much as sunspot activity or natural disturbances like volcanic activity over time.
Taylor went on to say that those who espouse the global warming line often point to the snowpack levels. He said a Washington climatologist was fired over climate issues that were not politically correct regarding snowpack levels and left sided concerns. Taylor said there are cyclical periods of La Nina and El Nino which effect snowpack levels.
He said the debate over sea level changes is an ongoing debate over whether the current changes are steady and reliable trends. He also mentioned how it is estimated that at the current rate, the global sea level may rise 8 to 17 inches per 100 years.
Moreover, heating the ocean takes a considerable amount of time. He said in the 1940s there was also an increase in arctic temperatures. And in the 1970s the big concern in the media was the possibility of another ice age or global cooling.
Taylor goes on to say scientists believe that in 2020 the global climate could return to a cooler period as sunspot activity is expected to change.
Taylor addressed the issue of whether the glaciers, sharing how they are shrinking due to human impact. He said there was much melting of the glaciers before 1950 and the SUV theory was a bit off. Taylor said surface temperatures may not be the best measure of climate change anyway, particularly on where the measurements are taken.
It was noted that the Montreal Protocol banned the use of human-made compounds that were suspected of damaging the ozone layer; however, no apparent change has occurred since that Protocol was created, so it begs the question of whether humans really impact the ozone layer as scientists predicted.
Taylor is a published author of several books regarding Oregon’s climate history.


Well, Arizona has gone from the top of the list to the bottom. Oh well. Just having a good snow season was exciting.
The upper Colorado Basin is not having great year… but.. not a really bad on either.
http://snowpack.water-data.com/uppercolorado/index.php
Back in 2007 some individuals were shouting unrecoverable doomsday for the lakes.
Smart man
“He said humans have some impact”
Only if you trick people by using obscure terms, like tons.
When you use percentages……they just gawk at you and look dumb struck.
Then when you ask them what effect they think it would have if – by some miracle – we could reduce that man made percentage by even half, which is still impossible – their eyes roll back in their heads…………..
Taylor must be nuts to talk like that in the Pacific Northwest and Oregon specifically.
He’s my hero of the week.
Actually the Gov. didn’t really go after Mr. Taylor until after he went onto the areas largest radio show (Lars Larson) which covers most of Oregon and southern Washington to basically say AGW is hogwash. It was very shortly after that radio interview that he was no longer the Oregon state climatologist, a rather pro AGW person was made the official state climatologist.
It’s a shame that politics does not have room for grey, only black and white. I guess that is the result of living in a sound bite world where the nuances of issues lose you your audience’s attention in a heartbeat.
The good Governor has been listening to the wrong folk.
I live in Western Colorado, we have had a very wet, cold spring. In many ways its like the article of a week ago about the ice pack getting smaller in surface area but deeper in thickness… We still have snow in places that should be melted, and the water is just now really starting to come off the mountains. Our largest resevoirs here are full, and releasing huge amounts of water to “naturalize” the rivers. We are just now starting to see warm temps, and while I know that weather doesn’t make climate, I am ready for some global warming here.
Bit OT, but check this out…
“We planted it in record pace and it could very well be harvested earlier than farmers have picked corn in many years,” Mowers says.
Already, there are reports of Iowa grain elevators making plans for very busy harvest activity in late August/early September.
So, what would a bumper crop and early harvest mean for crop prices? Warning: The answer may be more digestible for end-users versus producers.
Early end-user buying
Let’s first take a look at what the futures market could look like under an early harvest, big crops scenario.
The December futures contract would no longer be the new-crop month. Instead, September would become the new-crop month.
“The bottom line, it’s possible you are looking at a high yield, high test-weight crop in 2010 that the 2009 crop lacked. This means end-users will be looking to get this years crop in-hand early. As a result, we will feel harvest pressure earlier than normal,” says Joe Victor, Allendale Inc.
http://www.agriculture.com/ag/story.jhtml;jsessionid=TIBILLPKRKG54CQCEASB5VQ?storyid=/templatedata/ag/story/data/1275684340274.xml
I thought we were supposed to have all this drought and crop failure by now?
USDA: Farmers making big planting strides
Progress report
http://www.usda.gov/nass/PUBS/TODAYRPT/prog2310.txt
…..But, the numbers don’t tell the whole story. There’s a lot more variability in planting progress than what USDA reported Tuesday, farmers say. “Crop conditions vary a lot around here as well. Some of us were able to get corn in around the 20th of April and that corn looks good for the most part. Corn that was planted after the rains started setting in seem a little stunted,” says Agriculture.com Marketing Talk member BKsandFarmer. “I was hoping it would stay dry another day so I could replant some bean acres flooded out a couple weeks ago, but it’s raining now. If the weather pattern stays the same, it may be a challenge to spray this year. Like most guys, I won’t curse the rain just yet.”
Replanting soybeans is also on Marketing Talk member jdmcfarm1’s schedule after he had 600 acres get nipped by frost and flooded out. “Unless they were planted way too early, the cold and wet of early May destroyed them here,” he says….
http://www.agriculture.com/ag/story.jhtml;jsessionid=QEYIJK3BT0MYECQCEASB5VQ?storyid=/templatedata/ag/story/data/1275425761013.xml
What a difference a week makes… East of the big muddy Mississippi River the corn & beans looked a might pekkish but now they look pretty darn good despite all the cold, rain and mud.
Looks like a very bountiful year for GMO’s for the American watermelon and beermelon factory!
This is all old news. George Taylor stepped down from the University post shorlty after and I’ve not heard from him since.
IMHO, the Accumulated Precipitation Percent of Average is more relevant: ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/snow/update/ws.txt
Time for the separation of Science and State.
Joe Romm on Climateprogress said the droughts would become permanent. Hot and dry from now on.
Cold and wet. The Gore flakes are with us.
http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/noaa-climate-change-irreversible-1000-years-drought-dust-bowls/
It looks like he was wrong. The southwest is not a permanent desert.
CA statewide snowpack is 215% of normal
N CA snowpack is 387% of normal
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/sweq.action
… and before you start huffing and puffing about how it has been a long, cold, winter (it has been) which has delayed the snowmelt … please note that the States reservoirs are wayyyyy above normal …
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/products/rescond.pdf
And yet … overpaid government bureaucrats INSIST that CA is still suffering from a “drought” …
http://www.water.ca.gov/drought/
Who are these people ? And what is their political agenda ?
“% of Average Snowpack” is unclear without further “digging.” You probably have the answer at your fingertip. Are you referring to the average snowpack for this date or the average maximum snowpack for the season? Given the low figures for the southern states like AZ, I’d expect the latter.
I didn’t read the George Taylor article closely, my apologies if the answer is in that text.
Snowpack is real. Global “temperature” is not.
Are there data for the integral of snowpack (area) and days (time) for the last few winters?
I hope George Taylor is independently wealthy or can make a decent living off his books and talks. You are correct Bruce, he is a hero and points out why there is a “consensus”….. Toe the line or get fired! That is pretty sad to see in the USA.
I’m sorry, I don’t understand how the table and bar graph are related to the detailed snow-precipitation table (“leaderboard”). Or is there supposed to be some relationship?
From the BBC , with no mention of MMGW.
Skiing could take place at the CairnGorm Mountain resort at midsummer for the first time in living memory.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/10238296.stm
Taylor gives a good talk on climate here
I like his style. Of course, the Warmistas despise him.
the snow? it’s just climate
“Darrin says:
June 5, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Actually the Gov. didn’t really go after Mr. Taylor until after he went onto the areas largest radio show (Lars Larson) which covers most of Oregon and southern Washington to basically say AGW is hogwash”
Compared to a NASA employee who has been arrested for demonstrating.
Could some please send that snow to the south east US because it has been a very hot May and June is starting out hot too. We can thank La Nina for that. La Nina makes the south east US hot and dry because the jet stream stays north most of the summer and a huge blocking high pressure camps out over us. Air conditioning is the best thing that has ever been invented. Please send us some snow.
The only positive is that in North Carolina, where I live, the chances of a hurricane is less. Florida and the Gulf coast area, not so much.
Lots of snow down here under too. Check out the depth of May snow the last two years compared with the other years since 2000. More snow forecasted for the next three days with heavy snow falling in Central Otago where moist air from the Tasman Sea mixes with a cold airstream from the South. Yipee for skiers!
http://www.nzski.com/report.jsp?site=mthutt
From the snow not climate department.
Ric,
It is percent of snow water equivalent for June 1. Most places in Arizona normally have no snow in June, so the 0% numbers are probably bogus and drag down the real percentage.
“Air conditioning is the best thing that has ever been invented.”
If it weren’t for Mr. Carrier, Florida would still have a population of only 2 million
Ah but … but … but … isn’t this the warmest year on record????