Since we talk about record cold events with regularity here, I thought I’d talk about some record heat events that occurred near me.
Here’s a roundup of some highs:
SXUS76 KSTO 210038 AAA RERSTO RECORD EVENT REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SACRAMENTO, CA 530 PM PDT MON APR 20 2009 ...RECORD HEAT ACROSS INTERIOR NORTHERN CALIFORNIA... A STRONG HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE HAS SETTLED OVER CALIFORNIA. THE HIGH PRESSURE...COMBINED WITH VERY LIGHT WINDS AND ABUNDANT SUNSHINE HAS RESULTED IN ANOTHER DAY OF RECORD BREAKING HIGH TEMPERATURES ACROSS NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. TODAYS HIGH OF 96 AT REDDING RECORD BROKE THE RECORD AT BOTH THE AIRPORT AND AT THE OLD REDDING CITY LOCATION. THE OLD CITY RECORD WAS 93...SET IN 1931. THE HIGH AT RED BLUFF AIRPORT REACHED 95...WHICH ECLIPSED THE OLD RECORD HIGH OF 91 SET IN 1950. THE HIGH AT THE SACRAMENTO CITY STATION REACHED 94 DEGREES... BREAKING THE OLD RECORD OF 92 SET IN 1931. THE RECORD AT SACRAMENTO EXECUTIVE AIRPORT REACHED 93...THE OLD RECORD WAS 90 SET IN 1950. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 96 DEGREES WAS SET AT STOCKTON CA SUNDAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 90 SET IN 1950. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 97 DEGREES WAS SET AT MODESTO CA SUNDAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 92 SET IN 1986. TUESDAY WILL BE ANOTHER WARM DAY WITH NEAR RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURES FORECAST. TEMPERATURES BEGIN TO COOL BY MIDWEEK...BY THE WEEKEND TEMPERATURES SHOULD BE NEAR NORMAL.
While note mentioned by the NWS, the weather station I operate for my local Newspaper, The Chico Enterprise-Record set a new record high:
There were a bunch set in Southern California also
A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 87 DEGREES WAS SET AT LOS ANGELES AIRPORT TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 83 SET IN 1986. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 94 DEGREES WAS SET DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 92 SET IN 1914. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 97 DEGREES WAS SET AT LONG BEACH CALIFORNIA TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 88 DEGREES SET IN 1986. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 96 DEGREES WAS SET AT SAN GABRIEL TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 93 DEGREES SET IN 1999. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 92 DEGREES WAS SET AT U.C.L.A. TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 84 DEGREES SET IN 1999. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 96 DEGREES WAS SET AT CAMARILLO TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 86 DEGREES SET BACK IN 1958. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 96 DEGREES WAS SET AT OXNARD TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 86 DEGREES SET IN 1958. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 87 DEGREES WAS SET AT SANTA BARBARA AIRPORT TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 86 DEGREES SET IN 1958. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 94 DEGREES WAS SET AT SANTA MARIA TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 91 DEGREES SET IN 1938. A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 95 DEGREES WAS SET AT PASO ROBLES TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 93 DEGREES SET IN 1950.
And here comes the requisite mention of “global warming” from the media, such as this story from the Post Chronicle:
California’s Cities Hit Record Hot Tempertures – Global Warming In Effect?
by Jack Ryan
Maybe it’s global warming but a record storm of heat has hit Californians extremely hard on Sunday. According to reports, a record of 101 degrees in Santa Ana was reached. Originally in 1916 apparently, a 94-degree record had been in place.
According to the AP, “Record heat is forecast statewide again Monday with the National Weather Service posting a heat advisory along the coast from San Francisco Bay south to Big Sur. Thermometers registered record highs Sunday across Southern California.”
Note, the headline typo is NOT mine, click link to see the original. By the way, this is what the Santa Ana weather station looks like. It’s a great place to set records. Story here.
Santa Ana Station looking North. Click for a larger image
And finally, I had to laugh at this headline:
Only in California…maybe the headline writer for the Post Chronicle was there?
Weaverville, CA
Apr 19, 2009 had a high of 89. The local news reported a record.
I have data from Wearverville Ranger Station that the record was 90 in 1939.
Apr 20, 2009 (today) had a high of 92, breaking the record of 91 set in 1939.
Was 1939 the year of most of my city’s records? No, that would be 1933, and it was a killer.
Just one week ago, we had an Arctic blast that sent shivers down everyone’s spines all the way to Santa Cruz.
By this weekend, we will be back to colder temps, dropping 30 degrees in a couple of days.
Global Warming? No.
Regional Yo-yo? Yes.
Well, we all know that record highs are proof of global warming, but record lows are just weather. It is a very convenient truth, dontcha know…
Hmm how about places like say,Susanville, Porterville ,Mojave,_Bakersfield_?
I’d say Urban Heat Island effect.
Daily or all time? I was enjoying the warm weather in NE Oregon,got some planting done.-Before it frosts again…
Can you please send some of that warmth and sun here to Tokyo? It was 15 degrees Celsius yesterday and maybe 19 degrees today (but cloudy) with rain scheduled for later this evening . . .
Interesting that most of the old record temps are from 50+ years ago – what caused them?
Hmph!
Just in time to set the tone for that most political of events – Earth Day.
Gotta save the planet, don’t cha know?
This looks to be the same pattern for the West Coast that I saw develop last year. The Barometric Highs & Lows reach farther in latitude, and they don’t march across the continent quite as fast as they used to. I just took it to mean that the westerlies are weaker, and the heat must rise to find equilibrium somewhere, so up it goes higer towards the Arctic and the cold decends latitudewise to counter.
Record High Temps & Low Temps mean something if they are part of a consistent parttern, such as was the case in 1933 for the greatest part of the year where I live. Otherwise, we have outliers scattered over many years.
I was not aware that Global Warming occured in the 30’s.
If I can ever get my hands on the daily temps here for all years, there are some things I see but cannot quite pin down.
My Pinot noir vines are loving it. They’re also thinking WTF, who ordered that ?? (the 30 something degrees temperatures last week).
Here’s a trend: expected highs of 83, 64, and 56 for Tues, Wed, and Thur of this week in Ellensburg, Wa. —- 1971-2000 normal is 62.
CA is set for a 20 degree drop in T-max over the same period.
The heat wave is over.
If this Santa Ana “rooftop” weather station image is facing North, does that mean the access door is facing the afternoon sun when opened for reading? Sort of looks like that to me.
Lots of sin going on here.
REPLY: Yes that is right, we noted this but you spotted it all over again. -Anthony
Anthony, I think your work on the poor location selection of these temp stations is catching on. I attended a local seminar a couple weeks ago which was well attended. Anti AGW sentiment was running high.
The more this kind of accurate information is presented the more of it gets diseminated among the general public.
I bet that concrete roof top generates a lot of heat on a calm wind day. Also note the York compressor a few feet away. I would be interested to know how all the other temp stations are positioned throughout the region and how they may be affected by poor positioning and how that may have resulted in giving high regional temps.
You know every time there is some warm weather I cringe because I know the Reverend Al Gore and Saint Suzuki crowds are going to crawl out of the wood work and start screaming global warming. Summers seem to be the worst. Gawd they make me tired.
Temperatures were around 100 here in San Jose, supposed to be down in the 50’s by the weekend. Daily highs were 10 degrees below normal all last week but that didn’t make the paper.
I was in a blizzard in Santa Fe a week ago. Blizzard defined as snow blowing sideways. I guess the global warming has not reached there yet.
I posted this tongue in cheek comment on WUWT: Tom (14:22:26) :
In spite of of the sound scientific reasons – lack of positive feedback in the climate being probaly the most important – nothing seems to stop the political progress of AGW proponents. Well, if you cannot beat them, join them. No, I am not proposing to join the crowd who think that Global Warming is the greatest danger facing mankind. Instead, I want to call attention to what I think the greatest danger facing mankind: Excessive Farting . Too much farting creates a hostile environment and causes global warming. Also you do not have to worry about creating scientific justifications and computer models, because there will not be anybody in favor of excessive farting. The next step for the United Nation to establish the IPFC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Fart Control. I am sure that after sessions and assessment reports they will come to the conclusions that:
a., Excessive Farting ( EF ) is caused by mankind – although bovine contribution is not insignificant.
b., The only sure way to reduce EF is to drastically reduce, or in some cases totally eliminate eating.
I almost feel embarrassed how little time it took for the MSM ( British in this instance ) to follow up.http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2387203.ece
Totally Off Topic, apologies.
Today’s Peninsula Daily News (Port Angeles, WA) had a story of a fellow sailing single from Lake Superior and across the Arctic to Nome. They gave his Web Site.
Here is the story http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20090420/news/304209997 and here is the web site for the fellow http://www.arcticsolosail.com/
The story notes that clear navigation lanes opened in 2007, so now is the time to do it.
This may or may not be interesting to follow over the coming months.
In the mean time, the Nobel Price winner IPCC, along with Al Gore (also a Nobel Price whiner) are pushing very hard the world goverments to abandon the Celsius temperature scale. They had a preference for the Kelvin scale but will accept the Fahrenheit scale because those scales show the temperature with bigger numbers than that of Celsius, and in the case of Kelvin, the numbers are similar as those on Venus on the Celsius scale.
“Let’s face it, the Celsius scale does not carry our message correctly” – Al Gore
At least Santa Ana kept their ‘record’ temperature duration less than that of the Chicago Cubs.
Not only did it set a new record yesterday and today in San Diego, but both days set records by 5 degrees. Today tied the all-time record for hottest day in April ever recorded in San Diego at 98.
It was definitely hot! In fact, it still is way too warm to sleep.
We’re doomed!
OT – the BBC has finally spotted that the sun is going through a quiet phase. It even mentions the Little Ice Age, which must be a little confusing because we all know that there wasn’t one really according to some of their experts and the programmes they put out on climate. They do say that the sun’s slumber will not derail the catastrophic rise in temperatures, however. The weirdest bit is the “sun has been dimming” since 1985.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8008473.stm
Is there any background info regarding dimming of the sun? Leif?
Ray (22:36:33),
The Gorical has already invented things too numerous to mention so why doesn’t he develop the Gore scale? It could have lots of really big scary numbers. He may not be smart enough to do this on his own but some of his handlers could likely do it and make a brightly colored chart he could stand in front of, and show off.
It was “balls” hot today anyway you slice it. I remember we had a similar heat wave last spring, just like this one, lasted for 3 days, kicked my butt, then got back down to normal-below normal pretty quickly. Supposed to be a high of 80 tomorrow, which will be a relief, then will slide down to the low 60’s over the few days.
And yes, the plants love it.
O/T Image of the day by the Ice Team is of “Ann pulling sled over ice rubble” and differs from the one of Pen in the first report in that the surface background appears real. The position of the photographer seems to be on a much higher ridge of rubble. How thick might the ice be under the photographer and did they drill? Arctic is having a heat wave also. It is all the way up to -15 C.
AndrewWH (23:15:40) :
Leif has a reconstruction here:
http://www.leif.org/research/TSI%20(Reconstructions).xls
Scroll down to row 370 for TSI from 1975. Doesn’t seem to relate to the quote you provided, namely “the “sun has been dimming” since 1985.”
It is pretty warm in Oregon too, but a week ago it was 5 degrees at the ski area.
I guess that proves we are in for more extreme events.
Tom,
Don’t starving people fart more?
I almost feel embarrassed how little time it took for the MSM ( British in this instance ) to follow up.http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2387203.ece
And, yes, the article had a picture of a polar bear on an ice floe in it. The MSM are going to be in deep … snip … if the bears decide to collect their royalties.
I want to know why you Americans are still using Farenheit! It’s so last-century.
Oh I’m gonna get down in that sunny weather.
Am I being stupid?
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
On the above page are two graphs of arctic sea ice extent I think they are the same graph but the tail is different?
Last post
I think I mean the head?
The CRS is not only hideously located, but also facing in the wrong direction.
By George I’ve got it?
The top graph is to the current date the bottom graph is to the beggining of March, but why has the bottom graph not been updated?
I used to be paranoid until people started following me around.
This is called hermit blogging I write a post and answer it myself?
Yeah!
At last, the BBC had been forced, while kicking and screaming, to admit that the Sun has gone quiet.
I’m sure that all of the BBC global warming task force has been working hard on how to present this news in a way as not to create any doubt of the coming global warming catastrophe.
I noticed they are citing a very surprised Prof Lockwood, a member and a supporter of the party line of the Royal Society who is adamant promoter of the IPCC.
While his own work show a close relation with solar activity and Earth’s climate if you look closely in his papers.
Off Topic, Astronomy Picture Of the Day (APOD) Has a graphic for 23 April, showing an 8 degree Celcius global temperature increase by 2100. ( I guess the IPCC is actually coming out on the low side of predictions.) Am I reading the graphic correctly, my limited powers of observation have been wrong before.
Does anyone know if that could be related to the present PDO phase (as was mentioned before)? Was it the same in the 30ies?
Barry Foster,
Sorry, but I think that’s a stupid, and possibly arrogant, question.
Why does Mexico use the peso?
Why do people in Germany have the 1st of May off?
Why do Muslims practice the religion of Islam?
Why do Russians drink vodka?
Why do Swedes drive Volvos?
Why do US women shave their armpits?
Just because Europe uses Celisus does not make it right and modern. Is it really necessary for the entire planet to become one big monoculture?
Apologies Mr Watts for the OT comment but this breaking news is incredible for the UK’s BBC & MSM;-)
AndrewWH & John F. Hultquist:-)
I spotted this incredible admission on this morning’s radio news at 7am & on the website. Professors Mike Lockwood & Carl Frolich published a paper (almost tailor made) in 2005? illustrating the point that (in their opinion) TSI was dimishing over the last 15 years or so therefore the Sunwhatdunnit couldnt have! I understand from those in the know that a large chunk of the data studied was also studied by some fella by the name of Svensmark et al, who came to the oppostie conlcusion for that part of the data – isn’t science fun! Lord Monckton at SPPI did a beautiful little demolishion job on that paper. This really is a truely historic piece of BBC news reporting for even allowing such news to be given airtime, but of course tempered by the fact that the Sun won’t come to our salvation & offset AGW. No mention of cooling global temps at all so as not to give the impression that things are not going according to plan (model).
Prof Lockwood (website article) is also a self-confessed transgressor who has saught redemption by no longer believing that the Sun is guilty & it must be mankind who is. A least this is a start, could it be a pattern, Dr Vicky Pope at the Met Office calling for less alarmism, now that Beeb wth this news story? What next?
UK Chancellor about to announce huge green taxes & spending – see you all in the new Third World guys! I bags the last hut on the right by the big fire!
In related news, the National Weather Service has announced a Thermometer Buyback Program. It seems that the older your thermometer the more likely that it is failing to rise to the proper temperatures. The old glass thermometers have the problem of liquid glass evident in cathedral stained glass windows, which has been shown scientifically to cause lower temperature readings. Also, the glass is attached to a metal or plastic frame in a haphazard manner which allows gravity to pull the glass down in relationship to the numbers on the frame. The thermometers of the bi-metal variety are subject to the insidious effects of metal fatigue which again causes lower readings. These scientifically documented effects in household thermometers, are solely responsible for the anecdotal cooling being reported by individuals across the country and yes the entire earth. This anecdotal cooling, in turn, has created a wholly inappropriate rise in the number of people who question Global Warming. These old thermometers can be taken to your local Weather Office where they will be purchased from you for Five Dollars ($5.00) each. You will also be given one of the new Government-approved thermometers which will agree much more closely with the government approved weather reports. This new Thermometer Buyback Bailout Program will once again put our country in the forefront of Science.
Per Strandberg (01:26:27) :
Yeah!
At last, the BBC had been forced, while kicking and screaming, to admit that the Sun has gone quiet.
This morning (two hours ago) on Radio 4, an interviewee remarked that the sun affected the climate, which was not challenged. I’d love to know what was going on in the interviewer’s headset at that moment..
“Ask him if it’s true”
“No don’t, he might be able to prove it!”
General panic in the control room.. 🙂
BBC story on solar activity. “Quiet Sun Baffling Astronomers”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8008473.stm
Some quotes:
“Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the Sun’s activity has been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall global temperatures have continued to rise. ”
“If the Sun’s dimming were to have a cooling effect, we’d have seen it by now.”
Why don’t I believe him?
Please excuse the tone if it appears lecturing. When the weather is calm it will get hot because the heat is not being removed. An obvious example is a motorcar, which is water-cooled, followed by air-cooled. If a car is stationary with the engine running it can/will overheat, as the heat is not being removed fast enough. Any urban area during a high-pressure event will get hot and if that urban area is more urban than it was 10, 20 or more before then it has the potential to be warmer than it was before. In addition any area that is dryer than before will also have the potential to be hotter than before. Even though water vapour is considered a Global Warming gas it is a powerful coolant. Removal of wetlands, increased drainage and the lowering of the water table will all help to increase an areas warming potential. What would I expect if I drove my car with a half empty radiator?
So before any conclusions about hottest days on record, what has changed in those areas that will affect heat or even its measurement? Ok, maybe everyone knows this and I am teaching you to suck eggs, but…
Incidentally I have experienced all types of weather at this time of year from heat waves to a foot of snow.
This appeared on the BBC news site in 1998:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/56456.stm
WRT weather station siting, surely there must be others, even amateur ones, nearby that could be used to check if the results are sensible? I appreciate it must be difficult to find anywhere in California that isn’t six feet away from an HVAC outlet…
I’m fortunate enough to live near Shanklin and Sandown on the Isle of Wight, both of which get record sunshine levels, by UK standards, at least. This is to be expected, as they are only a couple of miles apart, but Shanklin always used to report the better figures. A local TV weatherman was quizzed about this, and revealed that one of the sunshine recorders was located near a chimney that put it into shade slightly earlier. Plus ca change.
Record Lows & Highs for a given year:
1933 Weaverville, CA
Record Lows – Feb 4, 7 &8, Apr 9 & 10, Sep 5
Record Highs – June 13, Aug 12, 13 & 14, Oct 4, 5, 6 & 10
1933 is NOT the only year for which this has happened.
It just happens to stick out like a sore thumb.
Flash News – Swinging Amplitudes pre-date AGW.
But I do find it strange that it should be blamed on a warming theory.
A theory put out by a computer model based on ???
Aw c’mon warmists, give it a rest.
And another thing. This was from The Times June 23, 2007
As most everyone is no doubt aware of the Aral sea and its history. Over recent years efforts have been made to ‘repair’ the sea by allowing more water in and less out. The following is a small part of the article. The last sentance is of interest.
Even the climate is changing for the better. “It’s true. In April, May and June we now have rain,” exclaims Nazhmedin Musabaev, Aralsk’s jovial Mayor. There is more grass for livestock. Summers are a little cooler.
Funny how it’s always climate when the temperature goes up, but weather when it comes down…
Solar Dimming?
I have only come across mention of Solar Dimming in one place, it was totally religious, 10 times scarier than Gore, and 800 years old.
Makes me wonder why AGW is taking it head on.
>>BBC story on solar activity. “Quiet Sun Baffling Astronomers”
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8008473.stm
I see this article was by Pallab Ghosh the so-called BBC science correspondent who is an absolute numbskull and will do whatever his masters say.
“Earth will fry in three years? Yes sir, yes sir – do I keep my job sir.”
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Regards the roof-top met station, I presume the premises below is something that would not have any effect temperature readings. Something like a bakery, Mcdonalds or a dry cleaner??
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Ray (22:36:33) :
Ray, links please.
From http://www.global-warming-and-the-climate.com/ (last video on page)
“This video is from the second half of the program and is dedicated to a lecture clearly demonstrating the relationship with climate, the sun’s solar wind and cloud cover taken from proxy data sampled from British Columbian fjords. ”
Must watch this video!
The “quiet sun” story even got a 15-second soundbite on BBC TV Breakfast this morning. All I caught was something about the sun’s magnetic/sunspot activity being very low, according to “scientists”. I sat up and paid attention at that point, but they ended by saying that “it won’t save us from global warming, though” (or words to that effect). Phew, so that’s all right then. Got me worried for a moment. :o)
Replying to…
Flanagan (01:50:29) :
Does anyone know if that could be related to the present PDO phase (as was mentioned before)? Was it the same in the 30ies?
I’m not 100% certain, but I think the PDO was in a warm phase in the 1930’s. I think it switched to the cold phase between 1942-1945.
Weather’s a funny thing…You can have record high temp’s in cold PDO’s and you can have record lows in warm PDO’s. Average global temperatures only oscillate a few tenth’s of a degree C with each phase. The cumulative effect leads to more hot days in the warm PDO and more cold days in the cold PDO.
As an aside…Over Easter I visited family in Connecticut. My 94-year old aunt never remembers it being as cold as it has been the last couple of winters. Up until a couple of years ago, most people my age (50) never remember it being warmer than it had been in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s. My conclusion is that the typical person’s climate “memory” is about 30 years. The PDO shifts phases about every 25-30 years. I think the PDO shifts are fairly obvious on the HadCRUT3 data…
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/dhm1353/HadCRUT3_Segments.jpg
Since most people’s climate “memories” fall entirely in one PDO phase or the other…It’s always going to be getting either warmer or colder than it ever was before. This makes people very susceptible to believing that something unnatural is causing the climate to change.
The picture of the weather station in the article is interesting. It appears that the A/C unit is working hard, because there is standing water on the roof from the condenser.
That is deferred maintenance, and it will lead to problems if the standing water condition isn’t fixed.
Typically, Stevenson screens are sited next to air conditioner exhaust vents, and often on asphalt roofs. No doubt the same principle in nature applies that causes tornadoes to zero in on trailer parks in the midwest.
The U.S. surface station network should warn its employees of this danger when they are setting up the weather stations. There is a natural affinity between A/C exhaust manifolds and weather stations. How else to explain the fact that three-quarters of the surface stations are reading 1° – 5° Centigrade higher than the true ambient temperature?
Update in the sun: Catania is counting another spot that does not exist but that will count by the SIDC!… waiting for NOAA:
http://72.14.221.132/translate_c?hl=it&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://daltonsminima.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/speriamo-di-no-sarebbe-una-beffa-una-macchia-li/&prev=hp&usg=ALkJrhhhuf4mip48sZBGbYI9wT4w6FaIug
Terry J (22:22:36)
Thanks for that story from P.A. 🙂 I lived there for a couple of years when my husband served aboard the USCG Cutter Active. It was the most beautiful place I have ever lived.
Captain Tommy sounds like a true adventurer, so refreshing after the Pugh/Catlin political stunts. I wish him fair winds and following seas.
Pierre. No need to be rude at all, is there? And I did say it tongue in cheek, which is why I put “So last century” as Alicia Silverstone might have done in ‘Clueless’. Celcius is used by the science community, that’s why – and we’re talking science when we’re talking weather (well, some of us). All the ‘customs’ you list have nothing to do with science. For reasons of science, the US should fully adopt Celcius and the metric system of measurement. Here in the UK many of us (yes, me included) will measure a piece of wood in inches, but refer to the speed of light in kph. So you see, you can retain your quaint customs – but not in science.
Wiki…
“Throughout the world, except in the U.S. and a few other countries (for example, Belize), the Celsius temperature scale is used for practically all purposes. The only exceptions are some specialist fields (e.g., low-temperature physics, astrophysics, light temperature in photography) where the closely related Kelvin scale dominates instead. Even in the U.S., almost the entire scientific field and most engineering fields, especially high-tech ones, use the Celsius scale, and the metric system in general. However, most Americans remain more accustomed to the Fahrenheit scale, which is the scale that U.S. broadcasters use in weather forecasts. The Fahrenheit scale is also commonly used in the U.S. for body temperatures.
Why do we have to drag you Americans kicking and screaming into the 21st century? Again, Pierre, tongue in cheek.
Off topic, we have all been told how global warming causes tropical storms but now it seems that tropical storms cause global warming.
“Cyclones Spurt Water Into Stratosphere, Feeding Global Warming”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090420121421.htm
The more i read about the climate the more i think that everything is connected in unexpected and wonderful ways, making it such a complicated and unpredictable beast that the co2 explanation for everything is just wrong.
“Dave Middleton (04:14:34) :
As an aside…Over Easter I visited family in Connecticut. My 94-year old aunt never remembers it being as cold as it has been the last couple of winters. Up until a couple of years ago, most people my age (50) never remember it being warmer than it had been in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s. My conclusion is that the typical person’s climate “memory” is about 30 years. The PDO shifts phases about every 25-30 years. I think the PDO shifts are fairly obvious on the HadCRUT3 data…”
Old people, no disrespect, feel cold more so is not a good “proxy” to use.
Just looking at the color coding of the map, the 75 in Miami is light orange but the 78 in Los Angeles and the 81 in San Francisco are both dark orange.
Apparently the 3 degree difference between Miami to Los Angeles is greater than the 3 degree difference between Los Angeles to San Francisco. Also look at the color coding between Boise and Los Angeles. Apparently the 78 in Los Angeles is hotter than the 78 in Boise. Must be “mountain air” that makes it different.
Mike Bryant (02:24:58) I’m surprised that along with the replacement program they don’t recommend proper maintenance of one’s thermometer by mounting it upside down. It should only be righted for the moment it is read. Thus, the tube will enlongate over time and keep up with the ever-increasing temperatures. :~)
Just wanted to share the Google quote of the day for today…” If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.”
– Bertrand Russell
AndrewWH – re the BBC story. I make no comment on the role of the sun in climate (!), but there’s an interesting example of cognitative dissonance in the article. Firstly it mentions the Maunder Minimum and that it led to a mini-ice age. It then goes on to pooh-pooh the notion that the sun could have a major influence on climate. Having your cake and eating it, methinks.
Anyone want to comment on the notion that the sun’s “activity” peaked in 1985?
“And here comes the requisite mention of “global warming” from the media, such as this story from the Post Chronicle:”
Indeed – I hope those who rightly complain here about short term record cold events not being a sign of global cooling are equally as vigorous about chiding the media about ascribing short term record heat events to global warming…
Barry Foster (00:45:50) :
“I want to know why you Americans are still using Farenheit! It’s so last-century.”
And inches/feet/pounds/psi/BTUs. We call them “British Units” here in the US :^)
Anthony, didn’t you get the memo from the climatologists of earth? Someone called the gavinator ruled that all meteorologists have been banned from interpreting the weather in a public forum unless they are issued govt. climatology qualification certificates.
Seriously though you guys don’t need the warm, send it to Illinois. We’re cold.
Just as last weeks “record cold” event was related to a deep trough, this heat event is the flip side of the coin related a strong ridge. Record cold & heat events are very commonly related to these ridging & troughing events (except for maybe the summer months) & really speak to their strength more than anything else.
The fact that we still record record highs & record lows on regular basis worldwide shows that our world wide surface data set is still very immature – the data records are still not long enough to record what the possible expected range is – which does come back to AGW & that we are dealing with a less than ideal dataset to characterize atmospheric temperatures over time – even without the measurement errors referenced.
Mike Bryant (02:24:58) :
In related news..
You’re a bad man, Bryant. Keep it up!
Mike Bryant (02:24:58) wrote: “It seems that the older your thermometer the more likely that it is failing to rise to the proper temperatures.”
Mike; would you consider re-writing the last part of that sentence as “…rise to the occasion.” …?
Me too (tired that is). Another thing I am finding interesting these days, and I suspect I may not be the only one beginning to get tired of this one, is all the “green” crap on TV. For example, now Walmart is telling me that even when I turn my electronics off they are emitting CO2, or, how if 200million of their customers would just buy “this”, then they would save 2ounces of “that” and save the planet. Last night, NBC’s multicolored peacock was green. I’m getting to the point where “green” just makes me want to puke. I have this gut feeling that the combined bombardment of “green” by the MSM and marketeers, is going to eventually turn most everyone off of “green”. They’re simply going to wear “green” out…
Sorry a little bit O/T.
Here in the Kansas City area, fully 1/3 of the high temperature records were set in the 1930s, and approximately 1/3 of the low temperature records have been set since 1980. This comes from the National Weather Service (sorry, I don’t know how to insert hyperlinks). The official station changed in the early 1970s from the downtown airport (along the Missiouri river) to the new KCI airport to the north. I don’t know how much of an impact that had, but it must have had some.
Well, since the media loves a crisis, all they need to do is get a whif of the notion that a quiet sun could create a true crisis and they’ll be all over it.
In other news, it was 74F here (Seattle) yesterday, a record by 1 degree over the same day in 1993. That would be 24C and at least 218 Gorenheit. Back down again today. It’s only been running 10-20F under average thru the winter.
Here’s a conversion equation for Fahrenheit to Gorenheit: G=F+144.
Sorry for the off-topic and possibly politically incorrect post (and the numbers missed by one order of magnitude, but it’s too close not to be funny!).
President Obama tasked his Cabinet to cut $100M from their budgets. Many have railed that this level of spending cuts is completely ridiculous considering the $3.6T budget the president has proposed. But I think that’s not being very considerate. After all, Democrats have believed climate scientists for years when they are told that 280 ppm is a lot!
(ok, $100M is only 28 ppm of the budget, but you’ve gotten love the irony!)
Yep. 96 here in Fresno. A new record. But curious. For the last few weeks, the temps have been a bit cooler than usual, and after this heat wave dissipates, the temps may approach record lows. Anyone wanna bet those won’t be reported as signs of “Global Cooling”?
Good stuff. I wonder what the Alarmists make of this definitive mud-core data—if anything.
But do you have a link to a site where the video displays larger, so you can see the graphs and other images? This one is so small that they are unreadable.
/Mr Lynn
The PDO, when in its cool phase, pushes the main driver of weather pattern variation (the jet stream) to the North. Here in the North, with cooler air, we get more snow in the winter and dryer air in the Summer. California, especially in the southern end, burns in a hellish dry heat. However, if out in the cactus regions of that state, night time temps will be quite cold. And in some places too cold for warm PDO, moisture loving plants to do much. The dust bowl era was a cold PDO with cold winters and snow in the North and dry desert conditions further South.
The opposite is often referred to as the pineapple belt. That is when the jet stream is further South and brings warm, moist air onto the land and greens everything up in California.
Dave Middleton (04:14:34) :
Replying to…
Flanagan (01:50:29) :
Does anyone know if that could be related to the present PDO phase (as was mentioned before)? Was it the same in the 30ies?
If you look in WUWT archives to this post:
Revisiting Bratcher and Giese (2002)
10/04/2009
Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
you will see that the PDO shifted to the cool phase around 1930. So the hot temps we are having in CA and will have in the desert southwest and central great plains are predicted by previous non-AGW weather events. Be aware, this data was computer generated :~P.
Did the fact that we had 2″ of snow on 4/40/09 in North East Pennsylvania make the news papers Today? Nope. That was just weather.
Last week’s models showed that deep area of low pressure dropping into the Western US. Funny that it was snowing in Las Vegas on Saturday, but it was over 85 by Monday. The same low pressure area was replaced by a pretty strong are of high pressure, which should spread the warmth eastward into the eastern third of the US by Friday. By this weekend, much of the Pacific Northwest will have cooled down. Got to love Spring.
Here at Glendale 3N in southern California my max on Monday hit 97, this tied the date record set way back in 1958. It was the warmest April temp since I had 100 back in 2004 and my all time April max was on the 6th of April, 1989. Of the last 32 Aprils, 17 have been 90 or above. By the way Anthony, get the May issue of the National Geographic Magazine. The Arctic ice is going to go away according to them. Bob
May be we need to set up a second weather station network outside of towns. Surely nowadays they could be monitored remotely and remove the human factor and cost of taking readings. I guess we would have to have it monitored by some neutral observer or it wouldn’t be trusted.
Mike Bryant (02:24:58) : re the weather service exchanging home thermometers for new ones, this is a bit Orwellian. I hope people say no thanks. I would worry about an aspect of their manufacture. I had a friend who’s father was a meteorologist and I once asked him if, when they were making the predictions with a probability attached, there was any room for subjective choice in the figure – my point being that the human factor may lead to choosing the best weather possible. He gave a noncommital complex answer. Anthony, you know about these matters. It would be interesting to see how weather forecasts differ between AGW meteorologists and skeptical ones. I noted a year ago (and emailed without receiving a reply) that our “theweathernetwork.com” made long term weather forecasts (2wks) that had the curve rising up at the end of the forecast because the near weather had been cooler than average. In most cases they had to bend it down again a week later.
While I admit I am not a meteorologist, it seems to me that the past 2 years we have seen a lot of these jumps in temps. Of course the “Climate Change Alarmists” (previously known as the Global Warming Alarmists) jump on the both cold and warm weather are caused by global warming.
But it seems that the primary cause of this has been the massive Ridges and Troughs in the Jet Stream which alternately pull warm air from the tropics and cold air from the artic.
Anthony, or other meteorologists out there, has their been an increase in these strong ridge/trough patterns, and if so, what could be causing it?
from solarcycle24.com
A small new Cycle 24 sunspot has formed high in latitude in the northern hemisphere and is approaching the western limb.
Sorry for the OT, but I like to point up stories I read that hopefully Watts may follow up on (I’m sure this one is under edit as we speak):
Sun at its dimmest for nearly a century
Some interesting quotes here:
“Evidence from tree trunks and ice cores suggest that the Sun is calming down after an unusually high point in its activity.”
“We are re-entering the middle ground after a period which has seen the Sun in its top 10% of activity,” said Professor Lockwood.
“He added that the current slight dimming of the Sun is not going to reverse the rise in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil fuels. ”
It’s strange that at no stage does any Warmist Climate Scientist or Meteorologist EVER acknowledge the possibility that recent temperature highs are in any way related to the “unprecedented recent activity of the sun”. But to me this seems to be self evident and I’m a layman!
The world talks about ‘surface temperatures’ as if they are the temperature of the, er, surface.
Who speaks of/for soil temperature? My local NBC affiliate, nbc12 in Richmond, has a weather blog. One of the meteorologists posted this in an entry a few days ago:
“As of yesterday the soil temperature was ranging between 48 & 52 degrees. This is still far too cold to plant warm season crops. I recently spoke with a farmer from The Northern Neck, he said, in 60 years he had not seen the ground stay this cold this late into the season…”
http://nbc12weather.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/the-soil-is-awfully-cold/
Is this stuff only for almanacs? or will soil temperature be noted only when it finally warms up?
Speaking of off-topic, and the insertion of “global warming” into pretty much everything,
http://www.winnipegsun.com/entertainment/movies/2009/04/20/9171551-sun.html
This one manages to compare movie downloaders with global warming!
(Then again, I’ve never yet met a Science Fiction fan who liked Kyle XY)
I’m in Kabul, Afghanistan.
“Normal” highs in Kabul for April are around 27°C and dry (rain and snow usually done by mid-March).
This April they’re averaging around 16°C and very wet…both of which are making local residents VERY happy. We had snow in Kabul 8 April…also a bit “unusual” according to long-time residents.
In Bamiyan Province to the west of Kabul they’ve had snow almost every day since mid-March (when it normally stops)…most recent snowfall was yesterday.
Temp readings throughout Afghanistan for March and now April were cooler than “normal” so far and that on the heels of what for Afghanistan was a “mild” winter. Next week’s forecast “heatwave” (highs around 22°C) should nudge us up to about 17°C for the month.
Yeah, I know…just weather.
And inches/feet/pounds/psi/BTUs. We call them “British Units” here in the US
Glad to hear it. I was checking tyre (tire) pressures today in the familiar units (psi) and noticed that the gauge I was using had a metric scale in kilopascals. 30psi is 207kPa, but of course, the graduations are too coarse to read that exactly, so I think I’ll stick to the useful ones. 🙂
A correction to the Gorenheit equation:
G=F+100+(or minus!) Reg eM(z) (The Mann constant.. which, Tho too complicated to explain, varies wildly as needed to suit your message)
Barry Foster (00:45:50) :
“I want to know why you Americans are still using Farenheit! It’s so last-century.”
America is going metric.
Inch by inch.
The Fahrenheit scale is also commonly used in the U.S. for body temperatures.
Where the extra fineness is useful, IMHO. Also, 100deg.F is a useful marker for taking an illness more seriously – stay at 40deg.C for long and you’ll be dead!
Pamela Gray (06:54:23) :
Good explanation (of the PDO).
Jet stream, anyone? Look at it today, and you’ll see why it is warm in CA. During a cool phase of the PDO, the polar jet stream has a more meridional flow, sweeping down over the Pacific Northwest or out of Canada, bring cold, dry, polar air masses over the plains. During the warm phase, the jet stream has a more zonal flow, with the polar jet stream remaining over the far north, and the Pacific jet stream sweeping in from the Pacific, bringing warmer, wet, maritime air over the US.
This is pretty much the classic difference between El Nino and La Nina, as depicted here:
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/209472main_elnino1_080128_HI.jpg
Atmospherically, we’re still seeing the lingering effects of what looks like La Nina, even though the tropical SST’s appear to be going ENSO neutral.
Squidly (06:04:14) :
Have you considered going to your doctor to see if you are “green” because of an hepatitis? 🙂
Really we are being literally bombarded (all around the globe) 24 hours a day with this green mantra. Tell the preachers not to exaggerate…it is just a good advice, they are just driving us crazy…and crazy people could turn them suddenly into martyrs..
Robinson (07:25:32) :
“We are re-entering the middle ground after a period which has seen the Sun in its top 10% of activity,” said Professor Lockwood.
“He added that the current slight dimming of the Sun is not going to reverse the rise in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil fuels. ”
It’s strange that at no stage does any Warmist Climate Scientist or Meteorologist EVER acknowledge the possibility that recent temperature highs are in any way related to the “unprecedented recent activity of the sun”. But to me this seems to be self evident and I’m a layman!
Interesting quote, where did you get it from, it certainly isn’t from the article you linked?
The difficulty of linking the solar activity changes to terrestrial temperatures is that the solar activity change is so small, hence the search by some for other related external source such as solar modulation of cosmic rays.
Now CARE is using global warming to solicit funds. The crap spewed in the following link is unbelievable:
http://tinyurl.com/dlzu65
AndrewWH (23:15:40) :
John F. Hultquist (23:52:46) :
I picked up on this claim as soon as I heard the report. I’m unaware of any proxy that shows such a thing. The statement is attributed to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University.
Does anyone have a paper by him? I have heard some AGW proponents say similar things but I could never find the source.
Leif…where are you?
When our weather turned nice early in the west I told DW-‘Watch some idiot newsie is going to cry-“GLOBAL WARMING!”-one of our local warmists is now preparing her tome on how NE Oregon’s too warm.(I happen to have her as a client)-to send to the local
paper…
Those of us who have lived and worked in the High Lonesome of NE Oregon,only wish this were true.Last year we had 17f. and 4in of snow….
It’s supposed to get into the low 80’s here for perhaps the next several days here in Wichita, but how high depends on what weather site you’re looking at, then the temperature may drop below normal again. It’ll probably get higher in western Kansas than here.
I like the punchline, I wonder how much of that record is just the UHI effect (which there’s solid evidence for)
The LA Times attributeds the record heat to Santa Ana winds.
Long Beach, UCLA and LAX records are also broken Sunday by unseasonably warm weather that meteorologists attribute to Santa Ana winds blowing in from the desert. Today may be even hotter.
Santa Ana winds are katabatic. They are caused by cold air in the Mojave Desert flowing downhill toward the coast and hot (not in all places) because as the cold air flows downhill it is compressed and this heats the air.
The faster the winds blow, the hotter they get (less time for the heat to dissapate), and the wind speed in mostly a function of how cold the air from the Mojave is.
I’m sceptical that the record heat is in fact caused by Santa Ana winds. One reason is I believe Anthony’s Chico doesn’t get Santa Ana winds. Although they may get Chinook type winds due to the Sierras.
Anyway if Santa Ana winds are the cause they result from cold weather (in the desert interior).
So have you got that straight, cold weather is causing the record California heat.
Sorry, I’m mixing my reading references. The word Unprecedented comes from UCAR. You are correct in stating that Solar activity may not in itself be a direct causal factor, yes. However one would think that theories such as Svensmarks’ that you cite would get more attention from the community (and grant fund managers), given that there’s an obvious correlation there and an obvious failure with the AGW theory.
When you get rid of your useless royalty, we’ll switch to celsius. Deal? 😉
Thank you, Pamela, for the PDO cold phase data on the ’33 dust bowl.
Our 2 hottest days here in Weaverville, CA were Aug 5 &6 , 1932 , sitting in an as yet unbroken record string of 5 consecutive days. Am I correct to assume that 1932 was still part of that cold 30’s PDO? (i.e. – can you give me the range of years that cold PDO existed in?).
Phil. (08:34:15) :
The difficulty of linking the solar activity changes to terrestrial temperatures is that the solar activity change is so small, hence the search by some for other related external source such as solar modulation of cosmic rays.
Kinda like computer generated, non-empirical CO2 positive feedback.
Adolfo Giurfa (05:51:43) :
“Wait attentively for The Prophet to appear one of these days with a new set of the most catastrophic slides…Beware, repent of your sins, clean all those black soot footprints you left behind…Kneel down and adore HIM!”
Delicious heresy!
On topic – it was not uncommon for the near two decades I lived in LA, for 80+ degree weather in January! This was the inspiring reason for millions of goading phone calls to friends and relatives the world over. I regularly barbecued on New Years Day. Back then, there was little hysteria – just happy gratitude for our place in the sun.
John F. Hultquist (23:18:27) :
I think they will use the Gormannsen scale for global warming (Gore-Hansen-Mann). In their scale, the increase of temperature is small when it is cold but get’s rapidly exponential when as it gets warmer.
Jack Simmons (03:30:01) :
I don’t need to provide any links. I use the same school of thought as that of Gore and I just pulled that from my a$$ just like he does… and there is no chance you can debate me on this. The debate is over before it ever started. Got it?
Jeff Alberts. Oh that is such a deal! Tell you what, no you keep your imperial measurements and we’ll get rid of royalty anyway. How’s that? Even the Queen knows the score, you know? Why do you think she’s hanging on in there? When he comes, he’ll do for royalty what Nixon did for Presidency.
For those who wanted info on Professor Lockwood http://www.phys.soton.ac.uk/staff/index.php?staff=ml
Here’s the real punchline. This is characteristic of a split jet stream. This is very, very late in the season for a split jet.
There is interesting research regarding persistent split jets and ice ages.
Anthony,
When these temperatures are reported, are they ever adjusted for UHI?
I’m reminded of a recent study of UHI (not to mention siting issues) in Los Angelos which showed a very large UHI effect in that area.
I am one who is most skeptical about the idea of Global Warming. See my blog on “chess” http://kindredspiritks.wordpress.com/2009. I wrote a column called Global Warning noting that current events follow a path that occurred in Europe about 500 years ago. Prior to the mini-ice-age that struck Europe leaving masses starving and or dead, there was a long period of beautiful weather where crops flourished in abundance. Then, suddenly everything went downhill with more and more freezing temperatures, destroyed crops, no crops would grow in the icy landscape. On the eve, there was experienced flooding, heavy winds, rain and snow or sleet to follow where the land could no longer absorb the moisture.
Todate I have 119 columns written usually with a chess theme, being a chess enthusiast and historian.–KindredSpirit’s Kaleidoscope. –Enjoy. Don.
MartinGAtkins (08:34:47) :
I first saw a BBC report on the Breakfast show about the dimming sun, I think it was a couple of years ago. It seemed to me it was just a one-minute “we’re all going to die and it’s all your fault” hysteria top up. It showed a man sitting in front of a computer screen with, if I remember correctly, a solar disc above and a gradually diminishing wiggly plot underneath. You couldn’t see much detail. It did mention the source but I can’t recall which it was.
Jeff Alberts (09:17:38) :
When you get rid of your useless royalty, we’ll switch to celsius. Deal? 😉
Can we keep the non-useless ones?
I am just watching Robert Redford at CNN stating that he is in “Green Territory” for 35 years and he never could understand why the connection between environment and economy was never made, until know.
He is very happy with the measures taken by the Obama Administration.
Obama now is creating the conditions that finally will “Green” the US economy.
The interview continues and the new economy is discussed.
Guess what the backbone of this “Green” economy will be?
Wind mills all over again.
Now to the recent high temperature records in California.
Stephen Skinner (02:34:28) here is right.
If the weather is calm, no wind conditions and clear skies, it heats up (in summer that is). In winter the calm weather is producing record low temperatures as we have seen in Great Brittan this winter.
These are the moments where people rely the most on energy for cooling or warming.
These are the moments wind mills don’t deliver. No wind, no energy.
I am convinced that no person within what is called the “skeptic” community has any objections against any reliable clean energy solutions that would boost our economy and improve our lives.
But nobody benefits if “Green” solutions that don’t deliver are forced upon us and high taxes on reliable energy sources go sky high.
Without any exception the arguments to promote the new green economy are made up by political spin, scientific fraud and manipulation.
This posting is another example of the spin, fraud and manipulation disclosed at this web site and I am grateful for it. The response from the skeptic community is instant and devastating.
We have come a long way since he publication of the hockey stick graph when it took a long time before it was disclosed as a scientific scam.
Obama, who hired the most talented scam artists in history into his administration, has taken a political course that will destroy not only the US but the entire World Economy.
The levels of spending have generated the biggest deficit in history and when it will peak somewhere at the end of this summer, the USA will default.
This default will trigger the collapse of the entire International Monetary System.
So, I wonder how many of those planned wind farms will be build!
The current wave of climate fraud and alarmist media reporting is initiated to support the political process to introduce draconian legislation to control CO2 emissions, the final stage of a master plan to trick the USA into the “Green Trap”
and the rest of the world World during the planned December UN Climate Summit in Copenhagen.
After 100 days in office, the opposition against Obama and his administration is growing. People rally against the bail out and tax policies at “Tea Parties” organized all over the country and as the climate is cooling the number of Americans that believe the AGW hoax is declining rapidly.
As the legislative process in regard to CO2 emission legislation is moving into the US courts it will only take one single harsh winter to break the AGW scam for good.
The question I ask for now is if the world economy will survive long enough to draw the benefits of such a victory.
In the mean time the current solar minimum is neglected by the big media.
Until today. BBC has published an article titled ‘Quiet Sun’ baffling astronomers
see here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8008473.stm
“In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell – known as the Maunder Minimum – lasted 70 years, and led to a “mini ice-age”.
This has resulted in some people suggesting that a similar cooling might offset the impact of climate change.
According to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University, this view is too simplistic.
“I wish the Sun was coming to our aid but, unfortunately, the data shows that is not the case,” he said.
Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the Sun’s activity has been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall global temperatures have continued to rise.
“If you look carefully at the observations, it’s pretty clear that the underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are seeing is a continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that’s been going on for a couple of decades.
“If the Sun’s dimming were to have a cooling effect, we’d have seen it by now.”
As I finished reading his comment I thinks about Murphy’s Law.
“Anything that can possibly go wrong, does.”
An American newspaper in Norwalk, Ohio printed this verse in 1841:
I never had a slice of bread,
Particularly large and wide,
That did not fall upon the floor,
And always on the buttered side.
Today, Murphy’s law is challenged to it’s very limits.
I really hope for the sake of mankind that we can prevent the circumstances where dropping a slice of bread could be a topic to be published in a news paper.
Here you find two different views on the current US economic policies.
Both come to the same conclusion.
http://creditcrunchedoutinuk.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-heads-largest-criminal-enterprise.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice
Monday April 13th when the Arctic blast made it’s way down to So. Cal. my daughter dropped me off at work at 7:45 in Pasadena and the temp was 45F…yesterday at the same time it was 74F. Just typical weird weather in So. Cal. One day it’s cold and foggy the next day it’s 100..it’s not news.
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>>America is going metric.
>>Inch by inch.
America is sticking to the ancient measurement units – that is why there are 1760 yards in a mile and 1760 cubits around the base of the Great Pyramid.
Coincidence? Check out that pyramid on the one dollar bill…
(cue music from the X-Files) 😉
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>>I first saw a BBC report on the Breakfast show about the
>>dimming sun, I think it was a couple of years ago.
Solar dimming is in the atmosphere, not the Sun. It is smoke and other pollutant particles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
Global dimming has probably served us well, during the recent warming period, but we may have to get rid of the pollutants as we enter the cooling phase, otherwise the brass monkeys will start to complain.
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Anthony, it is good to see the followup on the Santa Ana FD building.
It is still configured that way.
Yes, here in SoCal we did have a mild Santa Ana condition. It was
not strong enough to be called a “Santa Ana Condition” officially, but
the actual hot winds were due to air blowing west, downhill, and
heating up.
To its great credit, and perhaps because I have repeatedly called them
on the issue, the Orange County Register did NOT put on its front page
today “Record Heat in Santa Ana”. Other cities were mentioned, but
not SA. The original reporter for City Heat was Robbins. I have
Robbins boss, Diepenbrock, on speed dial in my cell phone. He seems
to get it. Yeah, it was hot. But there is no valid temperature recording
device in Santa Ana.
All that heat along the left coast probably means the San Andreas is about to open up and swallow it all….
It is climate change not global warming…yes the ice will melt for a while but there will be a major re-freeze once the ocean desalinates. 97% of climatologists say climate change is escalating because man made causes..if 97% of doctors said that your lifestyle will cut dozens of years off your life would you ignore him and continue down that path? It should have never been called global warming…and yes there are natural changes in climate..but we are escalating it with our behavior. It may not affect the older people in this crowd, but because you want to keep your suburban or hummer you are going to insure your children see a drastic change. Look at the evidence..local fluctuations aren’t the problem..its the melting of the fresh water ice into the salt water ocean which drives our weather patterns. Doubt it all you want..but it doesn’t change the fact its happening. I love how people fought over the earth being flat, the sun circling the earth, the earth being the center of the universe, the list goes on and on…but the truth is the truth and sadly I am afraid we will be past the tipping point (if we aren’t already) before the anti-science and anti-nature crowd realize what we are really up against!!
Got the following from a contact in England,( who, incidentally, just lost funding for his climate research because he doesn’t appear to be following the warmist party line) :-
Professor Mike Lockwood, Fellow of the Royal Society.
“Professor Mike Lockwood is distinguished for major advances in understanding the connections between Earth’s ionosphere and magnetosphere and the interplanetary magnetic field. His discovery that open magnetic flux from the Sun is highly correlated with total irradiance had a crucial result for climate change studies. He claims to have proved definitively that solar activity is completely unrelated to recent global warming.”
So now we know!
Lol, I hear ya. Though you’d have to switch to KM instead of Miles as well (that was in the fine print).
mightyquinninwky (11:03:12)
So when are you going to give up your technology lifestyle to save the planet? We’re waiting…
SteveSadlov (09:44:46) :
Here’s the real punchline. This is characteristic of a split jet stream. This is very, very late in the season for a split jet.
There is interesting research regarding persistent split jets and ice ages.
I read Ed Berry’s blog, and without saying that I understand a lot of it (I don’t!), he’s been calling attention to how the atmospheric conditions continue to look like La Nina even though the tropical SST’s are looking ENSO neutral.
As for a split jet and the ice ages, wasn’t that a consequence of the ice sheets. Without those now, I’m not sure what connection to make between a split jet stream and ice ages, especially not a causative one.
mightyquinninwky (11:03:12) :
97% of climatologists say climate change is escalating because man made causes..
I’m curious where this 97% number comes from. The IPCC lead authors, maybe, which is what, 40 total to begin with? Or some poll? The last time I saw anything even remotely reasonable said nothing like “97% of climatologists say climate change is escalating.” Most authors when questioned seem to say “man has an influence” but cannot quantify that influence because their specific niche does not provide a proper basis for such a conclusion.
if 97% of doctors said that your lifestyle will cut dozens of years off your life would you ignore him and continue down that path?
Just a continuation of an argument by authority with the added assumed conclusion that any and all warming must be bad.
It should
All of which makes it clear that your argument is based on an emotional, not a logical or rational premise.
its the melting of the fresh water ice into the salt water ocean which drives our weather patterns.
Um, since the ice in the arctic came from the ocean in the first place, doesn’t that mean the ocean was originally less saline, and melting simply puts it back to the point where it was originally?
I love how people fought over the earth being flat, the sun circling the earth, the earth being the center of the universe, the list goes on and on…
And now we can include arguing about a trace gas causing without any proof.
but the truth is the truth and sadly I am afraid we will be past the tipping point (if we aren’t already) before the anti-science and anti-nature crowd realize what we are really up against!!
Ah, yes, anti-nature. That alone tips your dogmatic hand. Go Gaia, eh?
Mark
jack mosevich wrote (08:34:20) :
Now CARE is using global warming to solicit funds. The crap spewed in the following link is unbelievable:
http://tinyurl.com/dlzu65
Jack, I sent them a comment telling them to pull up their socks. They have a comment space, which I used.
IanM
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>>He claims to have proved definitively that solar activity is
>>completely unrelated to recent global warming.”
In other words, he wants his funding restored.
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mightyquinninwky (11:03:12) :
You are on the wrong side of the truth, you are on the gullible side of Gore’s truth.
Have you done your research? There is more ice now and snow now than during the past 30 years!!! And if you were a little more scientifically litterate you would know that as water freezes the concentration of salts in water increses, thus depressing the water’s melting point. So, there is a natural mechanism to stop the ocean from freezing down completely.
Do this experiment, make a solution of about 3.5 % salt and try to freeze it in your freezer. If you are lucky you will get a bit of ice, but you will also get a saltier solution… else you have a freezer that can go to -25 C or less.
There appears to be two records? One in 1931, and one in 1986. Wattsupwiththat?
@Mr. Lynn (06:43:59) : The researcher’s name is Tim Patterson
See here for some other links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Patterson
I thought his research was remarkable. Only problem I have is the identification of solar cycles was arm-wavy…in the sense that he waved his arms over some kind of chart of “wavelets” which are difficult to discern in that video and declared that these were solar cycles.
Ian McQueen: Thanks for pointing out the feedback link at the bottom of their screen. I sent them some comments too. I was polite BTW.
Here is one paragraph of their BS:
Climate change is a daily threat for millions of people around the world. Extreme weather conditions are intensifying because of global warming. As a result, women and families are losing their crops to drought, their homes to floods and their families to disease.
The IPCC has just announced that if Global Warming continues on its present course, that within five years Hillary Clinton will be ice-free.
“if 97% of doctors said that your lifestyle will cut dozens of years off your life would you ignore him and continue down that path?”
Doctors are like government-funded-global-warming-scientists, they are not all there to necessarily cure you, considering they get paid for every visit and for certain medication they prescribe… just like the dentists that don’t tell you the truth about the real impact of fluoride on your health… they don’t want to get sued for their past lies/ignorance.
But that is beside the point… there are more than 3% of incompetent doctors out there.
Mike Bryant (13:21:15) :
The IPCC has just announced that if Global Warming continues on its present course, that within five years Hillary Clinton will be ice-free.
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LOL, that’s Hillaryous!!! I thought her face thawed a long time ago!!!
Hi Anthony,
I happened to notice a few similar dates in the two articles on WUWT. 1913 in the Solar ISN article and 1914 and 1916 in the record high temperatures in California article. Perhaps they are related.
I watched a good BBC 4 Weather programme about The Jet Stream recently (perhaps you could get into this for us), and noted that the Jet Stream has shifted Northwards in recent years. With NADO in the Atlantic and La Nina in the Pacific having also started recently, I wondered are these two things related. With the hypothess that Ocean Occilations are driven by the Solar Activity are these three things related?
Regards,
Aidan
London
Global warming is about CLIMATE CHANGE – extreme highs and lows are the yin and yang of pumping too much CO2 into the atmosphere. You cannot argue that greenhouse gases capture heat, melt glaciers, and disrupt seasonal weather patterns, so instead you poke little holes into an otherwise very obvious and alarming trend. Get over your cynical denial, it’s time to do something, for your childrens’ and grandchildrens’ sake if not your own.
Ah, Christine, who told you all that? Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn? When the seas rise, you’ll make a fortune in tolls….
Of course its time to do something, and so we are: working to prevent you from making a bigger fool of yourself then you already have. For the children!
For THE CHILDREN!!!
Yes, please think of the children! click
John F. Hultquist (23:18:27) ::33), The Gorical has already invented things too numerous to mention so why doesn’t he develop the Gore scale? It could have lots of really big scary numbers.
It would also, like variable width fonts, have a constantly changing value. Each year, the numbers for any given absolute temperature would be made slightly larger, thus assuring that the message is clear. This year water freezes at 2 degrees higher than last year!!! Global Warming means DOOOOMM!!!!
Barry Foster (00:45:50) : I want to know why you Americans are still using Farenheit! It’s so last-century.
We like the greater precision…
Dave Middleton (04:14:34) : Weather’s a funny thing…You can have record high temp’s in cold PDO’s and you can have record lows in warm PDO’s. Average global temperatures only oscillate a few tenth’s of a degree C with each phase. The cumulative effect leads to more hot days in the warm PDO and more cold days in the cold PDO.
Somewhere I saw a count of the records set in some time period (year? decade?) it was something like 100,000 to 200,000 lows / highs. The bottom line is simple: ALL the records we keep setting in both directions simply demonstrate that we don’t have enough data history to have a clue about what is normal. When we’re setting a new record only with excursions out to the six sigma range of the time scale; then we have enough data to know something…
E.M.Smith (14:48:41) :
When we’re setting a new record only with excursions out to the six sigma range of the time scale; then we have enough data to know something…
Uh, 6 sigma would refer to the magnitude of the record w.r.t. the mean of the measurement (not time), which doesn’t mean much if the temperature record exhibits chaotic behavior. In other words, if the temperature record is chaotic, there is no mean, nor sigma, and thus, no six-sigma. 🙂
Mark
“Get over your cynical denial, it’s time to do something, for your childrens’ and grandchildrens’ sake if not your own.”
That’s exactly what most people are here for. To end the destructive AGW agenda and save the country/world for our childrens’ future. Plus of course to get the message out that it’s going to get very cold, very soon.
Christine Shearer (13:40:35) :
As you probably do yourself, I could clearly say that all of us here care for the environment and the earth.
Like you, we all recycle and make sure we don’t spill harmful chemicals all over. Like you, we probably all care about what we injest and are against GM foods. Like you, we care for our children. But unlike you, we don’t accept to label CO2 as a dangerous gas when in fact it is necessary for all life on earth, including yours and that of your children.
Sorry Ms. Shearer, but the “do it for the children” malarky is further evidence of the alarmists refusal to answer those dozens of holes that hard data and science have poked into the AGW model. Personally, I beieve the science and data have invalidated the AGW theory, or at least render it “unproven”, but that opinion is subject to reasonable debate. You want to do something for the children? Don’t tax and spend the country into poverty, thereby stealing away from future generations the resources they will need to cope with climate change that may be the result of natural fluctuations which therefore can’t be avoided, and other conditions which do need immediate resources. Do you personally want to do something? shut down your computer and stop using coal fire produced electrons to send ridculous e-mails.
Cheers.
Barry Foster (04:43:24) : Celcius is used by the science community, that’s why – and we’re talking science when we’re talking weather (well, some of us). All the ‘customs’ you list have nothing to do with science. For reasons of science, the US should fully adopt Celcius and the metric system of measurement. […]
So you see, you can retain your quaint customs – but not in science.
Bull Pucky! You sir, do not “own” science. It does not matter one whit which scale one uses and plenty of perfectly good science has been done, is being done, and will be done in F. The notion that everything must be homogenized is just being self centered.
(And yes, I’m comfortable in both)
BTW, I find the greater precision of the F scale to be of significant value for thing like photographic development where temperatures need to be tightly controlled. Yes, the C thermometer makers could put a wider scale on, but they don’t. So the F thermometer works better for those kinds of things.
Why do we have to drag you Americans kicking and screaming into the 21st century? Again, Pierre, tongue in cheek.
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it…
We are in the 21 st century, we also are comfortable with our past. Please take your ethnocentrism and chomp down hard (with tongue in cheek, of course…)
Now what I really want is a speedometer for my car that measures in furlongs per fortnight (once used on a particularly boring physics test after computing the answer in the units the instructor desired, but having time left and nothing else to do was converted to a more “convenient” unit…)
FWIW, the European / Scientific tendency to change perfectly clear units into things that honor some guy or other but hide their physical truth is just nuts. It turns more kids off to science than anything else. Why have Hz when cycles/second TELLS you what it is? Compare a “Pascal” to a “pound per square inch”. There is no clue what a “Pascal” is… which is probably why my tires (OOPS! tyres – your ‘quaint custom’…) have kg/cm2 on them.
So I, for one, will be happy to use feet (that have a history going back to before recorded history, being nearly identical to the Minoan foot… and having nothing to do with human feet) pounds per square inch and yes, F for decades to come. Though from time to time I will use Centigrade (a name that tells you something…) for some uses (my car, for example, is calibrated in C ).
And NOAA ought to retain F so as to retain the integrity of the data series (which seems to me to be a valid scientific reason – unless of course you want to recalibrate every single site for the change of equipment…)
Something I posted a while ago, but is worth repeating:
Sidebar: Chasing the Greek Foot
Somewhere along the line I was trying to find out how they properly located things on the planet, that led to geo – metrology, that lead to the fact that the Greeks and Egyptians had a measure named a ‘foot’ (pous) that is almost the same as the English foot. (Within a couple of mm 304.8 for the Engish, 304 mm for the Minoan, 308.4 for the Attic, 300 for the Egyptian and Phoenician, etc.)
This lead me to the factoid that if you take the earth’s equatorial circumference in ‘feet’ (English) as 131479724.6 (from the wiki metric number, converted) and divide it by 360 x 1000 (call it minutes x seconds or call it 360 degrees) you get: 365.2214573
Gee, that looks familiar, I think… Dividing by ‘tropical year days’ of 365.2422 gives 99.994% agreement. Hmmmm….
Numerology? Or did those Ancient Greeks & British Druids know something? Is the ‘foot’ perhaps a bit more rational than mythology asserts?
One can only hope that the Met can achieve 99.994% accuracy and that GISS can learn what those digits after the ‘point’ are all about… (“Never let your precision exceed your accuracy”…) and maybe that we can be as good at science as they were 4000+ years ago…
(BTW, I can tell you how to derive the “foot” using a bit of string, two sticks, and the night sky… but maybe you ought to work it out for yourself… Hints: 1) Make a time standard using a celestial object transiting the two sticks. 2) Make a pendulum tuned to the time standard. 3) Measure the pendulum… You now have a very scientific time standard and distance standard that can be recreated by anyone anywhere. Think about it…)
Global warming or Climate change is an excuse to reduce the United States to third world status. Yes the commies masquerading as Democrats really hate you that much. Really, really.
I am of the opinion that it is unwise to make too hasty a judgement regarding Prof Lockwood. For a start, who else could have published a paper on climate change in the Proceedings of the Royal Society recognising the sun’s probable influence in early and mid C20th warming, even causing them to moderate their website significantly afterwards. And what about this one of his-
http://www.wdc.rl.ac.uk/wdcc1/papers/nature.html
He clearly has a formidable knowledge of solar research, publishes prolifically and recognises that much remains to be analysed from ongoing space mission data like Ulysses. I incline to think when and if he persuades himself, from analysing new data, that solar energy is after all the primary driver, he will firmly state so.
Re solar decrease since 1985:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1985/offset:-0.1/plot/pmod/from:1985/offset:-1365.25/scale:0.2/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1985/offset:-.2/trend/plot/pmod/from:1985/offset:-1365.25/scale:0.2
TSI is satellite measured solar irradiance – no aerosols, clouds, CO2, Gore hot air involved. Satellite record goes back to 1978, so you can change start from 1985 to 1975 to get the full dataset, or cherrypick whatever start (and end) dates suit you.
Re “97% of climatologists support AGW” (or variant statements thereof) comes from a paper published by Doran and Zimmerman at University of Illinois at Chicago
paper is tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf
Brian Dodge,
Thanks for that link. The second of two questions asked is about as scientific as astrology:
“2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”
Why is that a bogus question? Because the word “significant” is so subjective that it is meaningless. It can be ‘significant’ to someone if their morning paper isn’t delivered on time. And they never quantify what change in temperatures they mean. Is it 0.5° F? 0.01° F? They don’t say. Therefore, the answer is different for everyone. Yet they purport to be scientific about it, as if they’d know science if it bit ’em on the ankle. That paper doesn’t hold water, and the publisher and referees should be ashamed of themselves.
To correctly judge the “consensus,” the question should have been asked with much more objective parameters. For example:
“Do you think that a 50% increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration will lead to a climate tipping point, causing runaway global warming?”
Ask that question, and I’d bet the percentage of scientists answering in the affirmative could be counted on the poll-taker’s fingers.
Ray (13:36:15) :
“if 97% of doctors said that your lifestyle will cut dozens of years off your life would you ignore him and continue down that path?”
Doctors are like government-funded-global-warming-scientists, they are not all there to necessarily cure you, […] they don’t want to get sued for their past lies/ignorance.
Notice too that for about 30 years they ranted that everyone ought to be eating margarine “for heart health”… and it’s about 1/3 trans fat … and trans fat has now been shown to be the absolutely worst fat for cardiac health. The silence from the medical community on the issue has been deafening…
The Indians, IMHO, have it right. The key to longevity is Ghee (clarified butter). Exactly the thing the ‘doctors’ have said to avoid. FWIW, my father would eat only butter, thinking margarine tasted like BLEEP. At the autopsy, they discovered his circulatory system was doing great… (smoking, however, did not treat his lungs well…) One of my good friends ate only margarine due to a family history of heart problems. After his stent went in at about 50, I clued him in to butter vs margarine. He easily passes his cardiac and blood tests now…
So to directly answer the question: No, I would not do what the doctor said until I had completely researched it myself…
(Fond memory of old country Doc painting my skin with mercurochrome … what’s a little mercury among friends… heck, they used to feed it to folk with syphilis… though I missed the day they did the bulk tonsil removal at school. I had more sore throats with less bronchitis and lung problems, but that’s what tonsils are for, to give the immune system a ‘heads up’ so it doesn’t progress to things like pneumonia – that have much higher rates for folks without tonsils… There is a very long list of this kind of thing, if you look for it.)
Barry Foster (04:43:24)
You clearly have not ventured into the UK North Sea offshore sector where most operators still drill wells in feet, record temps in degF, pressures in psi, sonic velocities in microseconds per foot, mud weights in pounds per gallon, calculate volumes in barrels, acre-feet or cu ft, etc., and use drill bits pipe and casing in standard imperial sizes.
Nice articles….. really i find this blog 1 week ago….. and really is wonderful.
“”” Christine Shearer (13:40:35) :
Global warming is about CLIMATE CHANGE – extreme highs and lows are the yin and yang of pumping too much CO2 into the atmosphere. You cannot argue that greenhouse gases capture heat, melt glaciers, and disrupt seasonal weather patterns, so instead you poke little holes into an otherwise very obvious and alarming trend. Get over your cynical denial, it’s time to do something, for your childrens’ and grandchildrens’ sake if not your own. “””
Careful there Christine before you bust a blood vessel. On a typical midsummer day in New York, you can measure temperatures across the earth ranging from highs of up to at least +140 F (+60C) and down to almost -130 F (-90C), so that an extreme range of 270 F degrees, all measurable somewhere on earth. Well maybe +50 to -70 C is more common; so are those everyday values extreme enough for you; and you are wailing about maybe a half deg F “climate change” in the last 150 years.
By the way; there are real live people living in all the places that have those temperature extremes; so please stop trying to make mountains out of molehills.
I for one would have a world that is warmer,more abundant,and safer for children.
A cold,dark and limited one is not….
Christine Shearer:
That was AWESOME! I rarely see a post hit so many of the troll points in so few words!
It’s for the chiiiiiiildrennnnnn!!!!!! And it’s obvious and self evident, too. Yep. And we can’t argue. And we’re cynical.
Comedy Gold!
“Christine Shearer (13:40:35) :
Global warming is about CLIMATE CHANGE – extreme highs and lows are the yin and yang of pumping too much CO2 into the atmosphere.”
Yes, Grasshopper, but which is the Yin and which the Yang? When you have answered this riddle you will have taken another step on your journey to mastery.
To help you i have prepared this primer from an ancient text called Wikipedia:
“Yin is black, female, receptive, yielding, negative, and nurturing. It is associated with night, valleys, rivers, streams, water, metal, and earth. Yang is white, male, active, dominating, positive, and initiating/creating. Yang is associated with day, mountains, hills, fire, wood, and air.”
Now, are the high temperature records Yin or are they Yang? And the lows? Please try to keep your answer to less than fifty words.
Thanking you in advance for the attention and for the children.
Worshipful Master Mike
I’m not a scientist. Here is my guess of reasoning:
during the spring time, the warm air tends to spread northward. The cold air still there and resists the warm air.
This year, the cold air is stronger than usual, that’s why we had cold spring.
usually, the warm air will push further north and make the cold air warmer. but this time, the warm air faces more resistance from the cold air and even gets compressed.
so we see the higher pressure- higher temperature in some area. Finally, the warm air will give up. then the cold air will come in. We will have another cool down days.
Why this happened in S. CA? Maybe, there is a reason, but I don’t know it. Someone may answer this question easily.
Global warming is about CLIMATE CHANGE – extreme highs and lows are the yin and yang of pumping too much CO2 into the atmosphere.
Where was the ying & yang in 1933?
Dust bowls are weather, but today the highs & lows are climate.
Yeah.
Remember that graph Anthony had that showed the late 1800’s bumped up, the middle depressed, and the late 1990’s jacked up? Well, you have to cut off the first half of the 20th Century records, otherwise it is highly embarassing to see that there were records in the Teens, 20’s and 30’s that have stood tall. Well beyond the current Massive Global Runaway Climate Torch.
Trust me, it’s not going to be a whole lot longer and we won’t be talking about AGW, we’ll be talking about who knew what when, and why weren’t we told.
The smart ones are coming forward and stepping away from the agenda.
The smart ones are always those who focus on the forest, and don’t get caught up in the trees.
“97% of climatologists support AGW”
Sounds suspiciously like the “truth in advertising”.
4 out of 5 doctors who reccomend X for their patients prefer Y.
3 of those 4 didn’t have a preference, telling thier patients it doesn’t matter which product you use, Y or Z, So, they did in fact reccomend Y, but they also reccomended Z.
The “Truth in Advertising” meets XX out of 97 climatologisst who only support AGW as opposed to YY out of 97 who don’t support any forcings.
And that’s how we get 97%.
Assuming (* caveat emptor) that 3% support negative forcings, then the opposite might be 3% who truly support AGW.
Until you know those outlier values, there is no truth.
@layne (08:04:56) :
“[…] (The Mann constant.. which, Tho too complicated to explain, varies wildly as needed to suit your message)”
Love it! A variable constant, too complicated for us mortals, is VERY convenient, eh?
Back to the, ”weather is not climate story.”….From the mall bookstore, “Climate is the full range of weather conditions experienced in a particular place over several decades or longer, including daily and seasonal changes.”….THE SCIENCE BOOK, National Geographic, c2008, p. 118
In America, the equivalent to the BBC is NPR. In the car I caught a portion of “On Point,” an afternoon talk show rebroadcast on our local station in the evening. This edition was devoted to an Earthday-eve assessment of the chances of getting a ‘Green’ agenda adopted by government. The panelists were an ‘environmental activist’ named Bill something and a couple of ladies who I think were reporters.
As with most of the media, the assumption was that the Alarmist message was gospel truth. But I was struck by the degree to which obviously absurd claims simply went unchallenged, by these apparently intelligent and articulate people. E.g., this Bill fellow asserted that “the best scientists” held that CO2 over 350 ppm was ruinous for the planet, and since we were already beyond that, the crisis was upon us.
Not once, during the 20 minutes or so that I listened, did anyone call to challenge this or any other assertion. I was yelling at the radio, “CO2 has been an order of magnitude higher, with good effects—more plants!” But the callers all just bemoaned the difficulty of persuading Congress to pass Cap-and-Trade. To which the panelists responded that it was the “traditional energy interests,” i.e. the oil and coal industries, that were the obstacle, preventing us from moving to “clean” energy, like wind and solar.
Now the folks that listen to NPR are an elite of sorts (at least they think of themselves that way), and doubtless their numbers include more people in government and education than listeners to other stations. What concerns me is that for these folks there is no debate. The panelists might be aware that some hold serious scientific objections to the AGW hypothesis, but I suspect that the callers had no clue. “Climate change” for them is just a fact, a problem that government has to solve.
If scientific Realists are going to make any headway against this genteel ignorance, we are going to have to find a way to turn the discussion on its head, in a way that the NPR-listening elites, who listen only to each other, can’t ignore—to challenge their “conventional wisdom.” Otherwise, the only chance is for continuing cold and continuing recession to dampen their hopes for government to “take action against climate change.”
/Mr Lynn
Being more definitive about “climate”….1….”generally 30 years” Brittanica Concise Encyclopedia….2….”usually based on thirty years of records.” Geographical Dictionary….3….”The World Meteorological Organization recognizes a 30 year averaging time as a standard.” Weather Underground.
E.M.Smith 16:41:35
I used to be amused by the advertising that claimed their margarine was made from poly-unsaturated fats. Well, what did they do to turn those unsaturated oils to solids? They saturated them. Sure, saturated fats, made from poly-unsaturated oils. I’m a little surprised the FDA couldn’t do anything about that.
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Beautiful location for that Santa Ana Station. Not possible to have contamination there.
Not surprising. The FDA can’t seem to do anything about the plethora of over-the-counter patent medications marketed under the guise of ‘food supplements’, despite their outrageous and totally untested claims as remedies for all manner of ailments and conditions.
Completely OT, of course, but another example of government science totally hamstrung by non-objective criteria.
/Mr Lynn
It’s weather. Yawn.
And geez, how about that Arctic ice? That would be not weather that made that.
Mike Bryant (02:24:58) : “…You will also be given one of the new Government-approved thermometers which will agree much more closely with the government approved weather reports…”
Mike! Hush! Don’t go giving Big Al any ideas.
” John F. Hultquist (22:00:02) : ….for Tues, Wed, and Thur of this week….. CA is set for a 20 degree drop in T-max over the same period. ”
We won’t see it. We’re all going to be dead from global warming by then.
E.M.Smith
…furlongs per fortnight…
Pure genius!! I salute you sir!
E M Smith et al. You KNOW that metric will win out. You KNOW that you will have to start using Celsius in time. Resistance is futile, and you will be dragged.
Britannic. No, I’ve not ventured into the North Sea(!). But then actually getting the oil out is an ‘industry’, and not part of the scientific community. I’ve not ventured into the world of dieting either – where I gather people are still measured in stones and pounds. Apart from the US and Belize, the world uses Celsius. The US (and their partners Belize) WILL be using it too. Betcha.
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>>Numerology? Or did those Ancient Greeks & British Druids know >>something? Is the ‘foot’ perhaps a bit more rational than mythology >>asserts?
Rather than tracing the foot back to Earth measurements, you should rather trace the Imperial Measurements back to Pi. It is a base 22 system (22:7 the fractional equivalent of Pi)
Mile = 1760 yds
divide 8 = 220 or furlong (note the number 22)
divide 10 = 22 or chain (cricket pitch)
divide 4 = rod (5 1/2 yds)
How else do you derive a 5 1/2 unit of measure ? – it is a quarter of the 22 Pi numerator (22:7).
That’s why it ties in with the GP, for that too was constructed around Pi.
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i think global warming is all over the world and i think the problem starts on us. it’s a sign that ozone layer is now destroying because of our own faults.
Jasmine. No it isn’t – you’re wrong on both counts. I’m guessing you’re young and that you’ve been told this by people who know no better.
Global warming stopped being called ‘global warming’ because the globe isn’t warming everywhere – far from it. Many of the stations that recorded temperature are no longer doing so. Coincidentally, these stations tended to record cooler temperatures.
As for the ozone layer, it is beginning to look unlikely that we had much, if anything, to do with it. Time will tell.
“We” are the cause of some of the Earth’s problems, yes, but much of it is natural. Despite our release of CO2 the world doesn’t appear to be warming in response. http://landshape.org/enm/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/Slide1.png Don’t listen to what people tell you (including me), go and look for yourself. You’ll be very surprised.
E.M.Smith (16:41:35) :
Yeah, I would give more chance to my grandmother’s type medicine than some untested drugs that are now being given to people.
My grandmother had a cure for infected tonsils, it was to rise and gargle with lamp-oil. You just had to be careful not to swallow it. The perfumed type was awful but it worked. I still have my tonsils.
At home we follow as much as we can a Mediterranen food guidline. We eat fish every week, meat, just butter and olive oil, plenty of red wine, salad at every meal, tomatoes, etc. We use fluoride-free toothpaste and refuse the topical treatment (our dentist and oran hygenist are amazed that we have no cavities, they always ask questions about fluoride but still give it to the other people). We rarely buy processed foods.
We have excellent health and our kids are never sick enough to skip school, the cold usually last very shortly.
Hi Anthony,
My message yesterday needs some explanation, so here goes. My original message is in parenthesis.
“I happened to notice a few similar dates in the two articles on WUWT. 1913 in the Solar ISN article and 1914 and 1916 in the record high temperatures in California article. Perhaps they are related.
I watched a good BBC 4 Weather programme about The Jet Stream recently (perhaps you could get into this for us), and noted that the Jet Stream has shifted Northwards in recent years. With NADO (I mean AMO) in the Atlantic and La Nina (positive PDO) in the Pacific having also started recently, I wondered are these two things related.
With the hypothess that Ocean Occilations are driven by Solar Activity are these three things related?”
Basically 1913 was the year that the sun was in the last recent deep minimum; similar to the solar minimum we are currently in.
1914 and 1916 were years when high temperatures were recorded in California – similar to the high temperatures recorded there in April 2009.
What is interesting is that the positive PDO also affects The Jet Stream.
If you look at the Wikipedia entry on the Jet Stream at – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_stream
you will see that whilst there is a positive PDO (Look at the La Nina chart in the article) the Jet Stream arches around California which explains the high temperatures there.
This is also what the Jet Stream looks like at the current time – see:-http://squall.sfsu.edu/crws/jetstream.html
If the positive PDO drives the Jet Stream to behave as it currently does, does this therefore explain the high temps in California. Clearly a similar thing could have happened in the 1914/1916 period when similar high temperatures occurred in California.
Doesn’t this indicate a correlation between Solar minimum, positive PDO and the change in the Jet Stream and therefore why we are getting such highs in California at the moment? (and such lows and snow elswhere).
Therefore these anomalies cannot be attributable to AGW as the doomsayers keep uttering.
The Jet Stream is interesting at the moment. The northern jet stream has shifted North in Northern latitudes and the southern Jet Stream has moved south in the Southern hemisphere. The Jet Streams are located where tropical Hadley Cells meet polar Ferrel Cells creating arid zones. As the Jet Streams move toward the poles, the arid zones also move, bringing arid conditions with them. This has contributed to worrying droughts in southern Australia at the present time and to a drier southern Europe. See the National Geographic – April 2009 article.
The Great Dust Bowl in the 1930’s was also probably a consequence of the Jet Stream move – see the Wikipedia article.
Just a thought.
The Monterey NWS proclaims “Earrrrrrrrrrliest high heat everrrrrrrrrr!”
I say “latest Halcyon Days event everrrrrrrrrrrrr!”
Any chances for a thread about the wacky jet stream? I have noticed (I follow the jet stream as the best indicator of weather) the jet stream “predictions” made by Environmental Canada and NOAA’s Ark have been consistently incorrect due to a seeming bias toward warmer patterns. This results in forecasts that are similar in that they predict almost always warmer temps but end up off on the high side. The jet stream has again gone south over the past few days, and it is now snowing in Southwest BC. (My home 60 miles inland. +22 degrees C three days ago) It is snowing hard in the Northwestern Cascades/Rockies/Prairies, and coming soon to the Dakotas and points East. Snow is falling across the Northern Great Lakes, and is spreading South. Temps in Alberta/Western Prairies have been bracing to say the least! I would posit that the cold air over central Canada is not going away due to the jet stream fleeing South every week or so. Why is this happening so late in the year? This pattern is what one expects to see in February. Just what are the main drivers of the jet stream anyway? And could the sun have anything to do with this?
Glad I left the snow tires on the 4Runner!
Thanks
The ocean temps and water vapor may play a part in how the jet stream behaves. It may also be due to trade wind strength. A slower trade wind may result in the back flow jet stream being in a more southerly track and with smoother flow and fewer loops and dips (the jet stream track hasn’t moved South, it has actually moved North, but a turbulent loop has dipped way down).
Here is an experiment: Blow smoke in a stream and have it hit something. There is back flow. Blow it harder and the back flow is turbulent. Blow it slower and the back flow is smoother. Here is another thought: Cars are built to reduce turbulence and back flow which would otherwise reduce gas mileage. Earth and its atmosphere isn’t made like that. The trade winds, especially when blowing hard, are very turbulent along the edges and when they hit something (like different air pressures, land masses, etc).
Do you check the jet stream down South?
“Do you check the jet stream down south?”
Thank you for the response. That is precisely what I am wondering. Is there a strong connection between the North and South? I am a bit surprised that it (the North Pacific jet stream) is so persistently loopy so late in the season. As I mentioned, the pattern currently seems very “wintery” with so much warm air being blown up against an intransigent cold air mass that keeps oscillating over Northern Canada, causing the kinks along the west coast. Normally? at this time the Pacific Northwest is being trampled by successions of Pineapple Expresses as the jet stream flows across the continent more “smoothly”. Not so this year… I guess I am wondering why this cold air is still so dominant; while at the same time the Southern “Vortex” is also so virulent? Is North/South polar weather strongly connected?
Sorry for such silly questions… Believe it or not, I have only just recently begun to look at local weather in such a global way. (If that makes sense!)
Cheers! I’ll have to look back here later. Brake job this am. in the freaking snow!