
Viscount Monckton gives a presentation during the 2007 Conference on Climate Change
From Mike Asher at the DailyTech:
The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming “incontrovertible.”
In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,”There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.”
The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity — the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause — has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling. A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.
Complete article here
(h/t Fred)
UPDATE: 7/18/08 9PM PST It appears there is some discord at the APS over the issue.
The higher ups at the American Physical Society, apparently do not agree with the editor that made the initial post and reaffirms the statement on human caused global warming, posting this statement on their web site www.aps.org:
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.
There has certainly been a lot of argument and rhetoric surrounding this issue, and I’ve taken a fair amount of criticism for even posting it, with one commenter exclaiming that I was “popping champagne corks” while another said that “I couldn’t wait to talk about it as a major hole in the case for doing something to clean up air pollution.” which is curious, since I never made any comments about “celebrating with champagne”, “air pollution” or “major hole in the case”.
What this story does is demonstrate how politically and emotionally charged the issue has become. And when politics, emotions, and science mix, the outcome is never good.
Fractures are beginning to appear. How much press coverage will this get?
May this be the beginning of many more dominoes falling in the future. Open debate, what a concept, maybe there is hope.
Wow–this is great. I believe this is due in part the this and other skeptic blogs. The skeptics have finally begun voicing their thoughts pretty vocally lately.
Let’s hope this is a true open debate and get’s full and impartial media attention.
The Lysenkoists have already “moved on”, as is their way, as they ever have done. It’s no longer a scientific question, but a political question.
*sob*
We can only hope that the questions about the science are able to catch up before anything really stupid happens.
Wow, the political edifice is cracking.
No, this can’t be true – the Wiki clearly states that ALL major scientific bodies have agreed that Global Warming is man-made and a grave danger – see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Scientific_consensus
Someone had better phone the APS and either tell them that they are wrong, and all American physicists DO believe in Global Warming, or that they aren’t really a major scientific body…..
Great timing. This is the day Big Al-mer Gentry is to make a “High energy prices is the cost of global warming” speech in a bid to force congress to do stupid things.
Following on the heels of the Heartland Conference, this may be the break we’re all looking for!
Jack Koenig, Editor
The Mysterious Climate Project
http://www.climateclinic.com
Wow….Finally people are starting to get whats really going on here!
But… but… the Consensus! The precious CONSENSUS!
Great news, start drilling asp and get gas prices down. Than work on other energy solutions for the future.
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Did I just see a pig fly?
Funny how a bunch of scientists are paying attention to Lord Monckton, who really isn’t a scientist at all.
REPLY: Neither is Al Gore, and millions of people have foolishly paid attention to him? Gore can’t even work the equations to feedbacks, Monckton has. All Gore can do is put on a slide show and charge admission.
I doubt APS would pay any attention at all to Monckton if he simply put together a multimedia blitz and said “the earth doesn’t have a fever” He’s published a paper.
Sorry, but your point fails.
[snip] no slander allowed
Is this an official position of APS? I’m only finding this statement from editors of one of the APS journals.
REPLY: As stated in the post and original article from Daily Tech, it was a statement from the editors, and they are opening debate on the topic.
Hmmm,
I can only conclude that Anthony cannot tell satire when he sees it.
Bit like the brouhaha over the turban etc in the New Yorker … 🙂
REPLY: equating the president to “a nazi leader” usually doesn’t point to satire, and even if it was satire, I don’t want that sort of commentary on this forum.
Wow! This is about 2 years earlier than I thought we would see anything like this. Only one newspaper in Austrailia reporting on this yet.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24036602-5000117,00.html
Anthony,
That is the sort of over-the-top rhetoric that many in the AGW camp and their fellow-travelers employ …
It was intended as a preemptive strike to demonstrate the sort of statements that we might see coming from the lunatic fringe of the AGW movement.
REPLY: Yes but we still don’t need it voiced here. Let them say it.
I am a life member of the APS, and have yet to run into another APS acquaintance who agrees with the IPCC conclusions on climate sensitivity. The members I know are mostly experimentalists, who know how to look at data and calculate error bars. They know the limitations of any computer model, usually based on bitter past experience. I find it incredibly embarrassing that the NASA climate model team appears to mainly be populated by physicists. APS has a monthly magazine (Physics Today) that has published articles by Gavin Schmidt on climate models, Kerry Emanuel on hurricanes as a Carnot cycle, Sir John Houghton on the end of the world, and most recently Scaffetta and West on how half of the 20th century warming may be due to solar activity.
I saw that Al Gore is proposing to switch all electricity generation in the US to wind and solar within the next ten years for as little as $1T. HAA!!! The outrageousness of this claim is highlighted by the December 2007 article in Scientific American where the Grand Solar Plan was described as moving us to solar electricity by 2050, at a cost of at least $15T.
*Closes Eyes, Taps Head, Counts to 10*
Just checking I wasn’t dreaming this article up…
Amazing…….is it just me or is this HUGE news?
Tell everyone you know!
Blasphemers!! They have fallen into heresy and shall be dealt with by the inquisition. Hopefully not in the same way that Pope innocent III and Arnaud Amalric dealt with the Cathars.
“Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens” loosely “Kill’em all, God will know his own.”