Was climate change alarmism always about fears of overpopulation?

by Pierre Desrochers and Joanna Szurmak

[Note: The following text is adapted from the authors’ recently published book Population Bombed! Exploding the Link Between Overpopulation and Climate Change in which the validity of the belief in the inherent unsustainability of economic growth is challenged more thoroughly.]

Numerous population control advocates have linked anthropogenic climate change to population growth, or tried to revive interest in invoking anthropogenic climate change as the key negative outcome of continued economic growth linked to, foremost among causes, an increasing population. One pioneer of establishing and cultivating population growth – anthropogenic climate change linkage was the “Population Bomber” himself, Paul Ehrlich, who during a conference in 1968 identified anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions as a “serious limiting factor” to economic growth.[1] By the 1970s, Ehrlich, his wife Anne and his collaborator John Holdren raised fears that carbon dioxide “produced by combustion of fossil fuels in quantities too large to contain” may “already be influencing climate” and, as such, constituted one of the “gravest threats to human well-being. . . [i.e.] the loss of natural services now provided by biogeochemical processes.”

What motivated the Ehrlichs and Holdren to worry about a looming disaster threatening humanity just twenty years after the end of the Second World War (1939-1945)? After all, the war had brought with it wholesale destruction of infrastructure and loss of life throughout the world on a previously unparalleled scale. Was it the tension of the Cold War? Was it a specific epidemic or a natural event? We argue that no specific trigger events were necessary to spark the anxieties of these activists as they already espoused a neo-Malthusian eco-catastrophist mindset that is part of a wider pessimist perspective.

Among others, the ecological economics theorist John S. Dryzek recognized at least two distinctive perspectives on the understanding of the nature, role, and future of humanity – the pessimist, and the Promethean or optimist – each possessing a distinct set of assumptions, narratives, values and ultimate goals.[2] The pessimists, like the Ehrlichs and Holdren, apply a limit-driven narrative to define the place and goals of humanity on earth. According to the pessimist view, the earth’s resources are severely limited while the balance between planetary health and disrepair is exceedingly tenuous. The pessimists model people as bacteria that, in their Malthusian exponential growth, tend to quickly outstrip the resources of their “test-tube earth,” swiftly destroying both themselves and their environment. Only – perhaps – the timely intervention of top-down expert planning may avert this preordained debacle. The optimists see resources as limited primarily by human ingenuity and ability to utilize them, and humanity itself as a gathering of creative individuals, each capable of being much more than a mouth to feed. Optimist individuals may be driven by seemingly local needs, such as the replacement of a scarce resource or the improvement of the efficiency of a process, but the outcomes of their individual efforts benefit others in a spontaneous diffusion process.

Thus, the Ehrlichs’ and Holdren’s preoccupation with human population numbers and their impact on global development or resource use did not need a specific cause or trigger. Population and resource use anxiety were part of their pessimist perspective that had them always on the lookout for humanity’s confrontation with the inflexible natural limits of the finite earth. The late 1960s and early 1970s belonged to an era when other pessimist scientists like the climatologist Stephen Schneider, a Stanford colleague of Ehrlich, were theorizing about impending glaciation caused by anthropogenic atmospheric pollution reflecting sunlight. The Ehrlichs – who, truth be told, were also worried about every possible (and always negative) impact of increasing human population numbers, including, for a time, the effects of population growth on global cooling – were casting about for a development-related scourge of humanity that would be, perhaps, less easy to redress with fundamentally optimist fixes than global cooling was thanks to technologies such as smokestack scrubbers. For this reason, anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions were the ideal villain – or, pun intended, windmill to tilt at – as their neutralization does require a fundamental reworking and re-thinking of humanity’s key stable technologies – including its electrical power grid – on a scale that, thanks to the quickly mounting “scientific consensus” and political pressure, poses a significant challenge to human innovation.

While admitting he was not a climate specialist – thus just as “qualified” as Ehrlich, a biologist specializing in entomology, to theorize about climate – the economist Julian Simon suspected over two decades ago that global warming was a dubious pessimist scare mostly rooted in older neo-Malthusian concerns about population growth. He observed then that the “latest environmental justification for slowing or halting population growth is supposed global warming.” Simon cited a World Bank paper on the new “global negative externality” represented by greenhouse gas emissions, which he summarized as follows: “[The] old rationales for World Bank population control programs – economic growth, resource conservation, and the like – having been discredited, a new ‘rationale’ has been developed on the basis of speculative assumptions about global warming’s economic effects derived from controversial climatological science.”

Simon then summarized the position of most environmentalists as follows: “But isn’t obvious. . . that additional people and additional economic growth will cause us to use more energy and hence emit more greenhouse gases? Therefore, even if we can’t be sure of the greenhouse effect, wouldn’t it be prudent to cut back on growth?” The economist Jacqueline Kasun similarly believed at the time that “by the 1990s the doomsayers had shifted their attack” as they could no longer invoke resource depletion as the key growth-limiting issue. As she wrote, “the alarmists didn’t miss a step. The problem, they now said, was that people were using too much energy and were causing Global Warming.”[3] Both Kasun and Simon thus identified pessimist limits-based thinking as the chief impetus behind the elevation of anthropogenic CO2-caused climate change to the status of a global catastrophe.

Closer in time to us, retired Canadian academic Michael Hart has commented that “for alarmists, climate mitigation policy is as much a means of achieving their larger goals as it is a matter of addressing a possibly serious issue.”[4] As another retired Canadian academic, historical climatologist Tim Ball, has long argued, the climate change policy agenda is based on certain assumptions ultimately related to a fear of reaching another terrestrial set of limits through overpopulation. Indeed, Dr. Ball goes so far as to argue that while global warming is a “contrived problem,” most of those “who know it is contrived still believe overpopulation is a problem.” It is indeed remarkably easy to find influential climate bureaucrats and scientists who will either admit this much or else acknowledge their neo-Malthusian pessimist stance rooted in enforcing limits to human (population) growth.

Maurice Strong (1929–2015), who was described by business journalist Peter Foster as “[m]ore than any other individual. . . responsible for promoting the [UN] climate agenda,” is the most obvious case in point. Strong first achieved some degree of notoriety in Canada as young deputy minister – a high-ranking civil servant – when he ended up on the record by stating that “with a growing global population, we will have to recognise that having children is not just a personal issue but a societal issue and at a certain point we may be faced with a need to have a permit to have a child.” He also referred to the need for “national population policies” in his opening speech at the 1972 Stockholm Conference. Strong reportedly stated the following Malthusian prediction at the 1992 Earth Summit: “Either we reduce the world’s population voluntarily or nature will do this for us, but brutally.”

Having started with the idea of limits to population growth, Strong eventually connected it to the limits of economic growth problem as defined by climate change. At the 2009 Copenhagen Summit, Strong declared: “The climate change issue and the economic issue come from the same roots. And that is the gross inequity and the inadequacy of our economic model. We now know that we have to change that model. We cannot do all of this in one stroke. But we have to design a process that would produce agreement at a much more radical level.” In one of his last extended interviews, Strong said that “growth in the world population has increased the pressures on the Earth’s resources and life-support systems.” He added that “China’s one-child policy is not a perfect policy by any means, but, on the other hand, how do you control growth in your population?” Strong viewed widespread aspirations for a better life as problematic, for if everyone “enjoyed the same patterns of consumption that we in the West do, then we would have an unsustainable situation, and we’re actually on the way to that now. We are in a situation that is unsustainable.” Thus, for Strong, the issue of population growth was clearly part of the pessimist narrative and a clear an issue of limits to growth.

The first chairman of the IPCC (1988-1997), Bert Bolin, was not only an early convert to the alleged catastrophic impact of CO2 emissions,[5] but also a pessimist on population and resources issues, as evidenced in his stance on the controversy surrounding the 2001 publication of The Skeptical Environmentalist by the Danish political scientist Bjorn Lomborg. Bolin later wrote he “largely share[d] the gist of the . . . analyses” of Lomborg’s critics John Holdren and John Bongaarts.[6] Bongaarts, a demographer long associated with the Population Council and a former chair of the Panel on Population Projections of the National Academy of Sciences, had then opined: “Population is not the main cause of the world’s social, economic and environmental problems, but it contributes substantially to many of them. If population had grown less rapidly in the past, we would be better off now. And if future growth can be slowed, future generations will be better off.”[7] For his part, John Holdren contradicted many of his earlier warnings of imminent resource depletion by arguing that while the word was not “running out of energy,” it was “running out of environment,” by which he meant “running out of the capacity of air, water, soil and biota to absorb, without intolerable consequences for human well-being, the effects of energy extraction, transport, transformation and use.”[8]

The second chairman of the IPCC (1997–2002), Robert Watson, would later go on the record with the following line of reasoning: “The more people we have on the Earth and the richer they are, the more they can demand resources. There’s more demand for food, more demand for water, more demand for energy. . . So, there’s no question the threats on the Earth today are far more than, say, 50 years ago and in 50 years’ time, there will even be more threats.”

The third chairman of the IPCC (2002-2015), Rajendra K. Pachauri, was even more explicit when he stated in 2007 that humanity has “been so drunk with this desire to produce and consume more and more whatever the cost to the environment that we’re on a totally unsustainable path.” He was “not going to rest easy until [he has] articulated in every possible forum the need to bring about major structural changes in economic growth and development. That’s the real issue. Climate change is just a part of it” (our italics). When asked why Indians shouldn’t aspire to the same standard of living as westerners, Pachauri answered: “Gandhi was asked if he wanted India to reach the same level of prosperity as the United Kingdom. He replied: “It took Britain half the resources of the planet to reach its level of prosperity. How many planets would India require?” In his IPCC resignation letter (apparently no longer available on the IPCC website) Pachauri admitted that, for him, “the protection of Planet Earth, the survival of all species and sustainability of our ecosystems is more than a mission. It is my religion and my dharma.”

In Pachauri’s statements, and in others we have quoted so far, there is ample evidence of a passionate commitment towards the protection of the planet,but there is no sign of recognition that humanity can do, and has done, more than simply consume resources. At no point do neo-Malthusians like Pachauri admit the possibility that technological innovations and human creativity have a place among the things that deserve a place on Earth. What pessimist activists desire is a consensus on the classification of humanity as out of control and inherently driven by destructive greed, thus in need of top-down regulation by the few remaining clear-thinking and benign autocrats – that is, functionaries – of the global government.

Another important figure in the anthropogenic climate change institutional apparatus is former American senator Timothy E. Wirth, one of the main organizers of the 1988 James Hansen hearing on climate change, and from 1998 to 2013 president of the (hardcore Malthusian) Ted Turner-funded United Nations Foundation. While no longer in the news or on the frontlines of the US government, Wirth is still actively promoting a population control agenda. He is on the record as stating in 1993: “We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”[9]

Needless to say, many other influential politicians and bureaucrats share a similar outlook. In 1998 Christine Stewart, then Canadian Minister of the Environment, when speaking before editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald said: “No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits… Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”[10] More recently, Connie Hedegaard, European Commissioner for Climate Action (2010–2014), argued that the European Union policy on climate change was right even if the science was not. As she put it:

Say that 30 years from now, science came back and said, “wow, we were mistaken then; now we have some new information so we think it is something else”. In a world with nine billion people, even 10 billion at the middle of this century, where literally billions of global citizens will still have to get out of poverty and enter the consuming middle classes, don’t you think that anyway it makes a lot of sense to get more energy and resource efficient… Let’s say that science, some decades from now, said “we were wrong, it was not about climate,” would it not in any case have been good to do many of things you have to do in order to combat climate change? I believe that in a world with still more people, wanting still more growth for good reasons, the demand for energy, raw materials and resources will increase and so, over time, will the prices… I think we have to realise that in the world of the 21st century for us to have the cheapest possible energy is not the answer.

Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, Christiana Figueres, said “We should make every effort to change the numbers… obviously less [sic] people would exert less pressure on the natural resources,” and humanity is “already exceeding the planet’s planetary carrying capacity, today.” She also added that population control was not enough and that fundamental changes need to be made to our current economic system. Figueres, like Strong, Wirth, Bongaarts, Stewart and Hedegaard, was speaking from the depths of the neo-Malthusian pessimist limit-based perspective.

Professor Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, the director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and an adviser to the encyclical Laudato Si, has long been on the record as estimating the carrying capacity of the planet at “below 1 billion people.” More recently, researchers associated with the Population Reference Bureau and the Worldwatch Institute stated: “Human population influences and is influenced by climate change and deserves consideration in climate compatible development strategies. Achieving universal access to family planning throughout the world would result in fewer unintended pregnancies, improve the health and well-being of women and their families, and slow population growth – all benefits to climate compatible development.”

Since leaving his academic appointment, prominent Canadian climate scientist Andrew Weaver has become the leader of the British Columbia Green Party. As could be expected from a pessimist activist, Weaver is on the record as stating: “Technology itself will not solve global warming. Individual behavior and consumption patterns will need to change as well. For too long we have lived by the axiom that growth is great. We strive for economic growth year after year. We drive it by increasing population. But infinite growth cannot occur in a finite system. Collapse is inevitable.”[11]

The late climatologist Stephen Schneider was a leading advocate for major reductions of greenhouse gas emissions. Schneider was sometimes derided by his critics for having switched, almost overnight, from being a major proponent of global cooling, as we mentioned earlier, to becoming one of the most prominent supporters of global warming. Less well known about him, however, is the fact that he never changed his Ehrlich-inspired belief in the existence of a “wide consensus that exponential growth, for both economies and human populations, cannot continue indefinitely,” and that “population growth must ultimately be controlled.”

Thus, Schneider was a classic neo-Malthusian pessimist thinker. As he wrote in a 1977 popular book mainly devoted to describing the perils of global cooling, the “obvious point about population growth [that] must be stated and restated” is that “population increases will only dilute the effectiveness” of achieving “rapid improvements in per capita living standards for the present 4 billion people on earth.”[12] Twenty years later, having become a major proponent of global warming, he still believed that “control of population growth has the potential to make a major contribution to raising living standards and to easing environmental problems like greenhouse warming.” Not surprisingly, he urged the United States government to “resume full participation in international programs to slow population growth” and to “contribute its share to their financial and other support.”[13]

Whether its goal was curbing anthropogenic global cooling or global warming, the pessimist narrative’s endgame was always to institute top-down expert controls over population and centrally limit the human impetus to grow, create and aspire to change. In effect, the pessimist goal was to combat and control the optimist narrative through fear and discrediting its foundational impulses.

 


[1] Shelesnyak MC (ed.) (1969). Growth of Population: Consequences and Control. Gordon and Breach, p. 141.

[2] Dryzek, J (2005). The Politics of the Earth: Environmental Discourses. Oxford University Press, 2nd edn.

[3] Kasun J (1999/1988). The War Against Population: The Economics and Ideology of Population Control. Ignatius, rev. edn., p. 49

[4] Hart M (2015). Hubris: The Troubling Science, Economics, and Politics of Climate Change. Compleat Desktops Publishing, p. 289.

[5] Bolin is also on the record as stating in 1959 that the increase in carbon dioxide atmospheric concentrations “caused by the burning of fuels by industry and transport” could have an “effect on climate” that “might be radical.” Original quote in Anonymous. “Experts discuss monsters of sea.” New York Times, 28 April 1959.

[6] See Bolin B (2007). A History of the Science and Politics of Climate Change: The Role of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Cambridge University Press, pp. 183-185, quote on p. 183.

[7] Bongaarts J (2002). “Population: Ignoring its impact.” Scientific American, 286(1), 67–69, quote on p. 69.

[8] Holdren JP (2002). “Energy: Asking the wrong question.” Scientific American, 286(1), 65–67, quote on p. 65.

[9] Fumento M (1993). Science Under Siege. William Morrow & Co., p. 362.

[10] Original quote in the Calgary Herald, December 14, 1998. See also SEPP December 14-20, 1998.

[11] Weaver, A (2011). Generation Us: The Challenge of Global Warming. Orca Books, p. 108

[12] All quotes from Schneider SH, Mesirow LE (1977). The Genesis Strategy. Climate and Global Survival.

Plenum Books. By order of appearance in the main text, pp. 318, 25 and 318.

[13] Schneider, SH (1997). Laboratory Earth: The Planetary Gamble We Can’t Afford to Lose, HarperCollins, p. 150.

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Tom Halla
February 11, 2019 10:12 am

Some, like Erhlich and Holdren, are apparently sincere Malthusians, but the dominant drive in the green blob is a sense it is a “cause’ to exploit to accomplish their desire for power over others.

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 11, 2019 10:41 am

I think for the selected few it was and is and will be about the ‘easy money’.
For the cult followers it is a substitute for the lack of cerebral rational with security of belonging to a herd.

Goldrider
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 11, 2019 12:09 pm

Any “moral panic” capable of generating hysteria will do. This country started to get into trouble around the time we decided we’d listen to “educated experts” instead of our own ancestors, senses, and instincts.
It’s all about power and always was; but they can’t get power over anyone unless we willingly hand it to ’em.

Philo
Reply to  Tom Halla
February 11, 2019 5:24 pm

None of these sincere Malthusians look at the obvious solution. When the poorest people reach the first level of success- something more than a mud hut, generally enough food to eat, a job that pays for their needs within 10 years the birth rate plummets, at least to near the replacement level. If they can avoid totalitarian regimes, socialistic dictators, and just plain thugs they will produce a relatively healthy democratic republic of whatever stripe with separation of powers within the government.

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 12, 2019 10:16 pm

They simply want your your money and they are very open about it. The lead author of the 4th IPCC report, Ottmar Edenhofer is very clear about this:

“But one has to be clear: we are effectively redistributing world wealth through climate policy. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottmar_Edenhofer

There is no other motive, there is no science. They are self-confessed thieves and communists.

Edith Wenzel
February 11, 2019 10:15 am

It was always about One Global Govt. and pulling wealth from the Western & Developed Worlds. It was/is never about how many cars we drive, how many times a cow farts or any of that. A hoax from the beginning.

Kenji
Reply to  Edith Wenzel
February 11, 2019 1:23 pm

That’s how I see it. And then every professor and grant-writing scientist piled onto the gravy train of climate hysteria. It’s always about the money … and power … always.

What’s the very best method of controlling population growth? Why capitalism, of course. The most successful (and … white) capitalist countries actually have negative population growth

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kenji
February 11, 2019 2:26 pm

“What’s the very best method of controlling population growth? Why capitalism, of course. The most successful (and … white) capitalist countries actually have negative population growth”

Yes, we seem to have a phenomenon the overpopulation alarmists didn’t take into consideration: That when countries reach a certain level of affluence, the rate of growth of their population drops. In some cases, to the point where some of those countries are actually encouragig their women to have more children, with monetary incentives.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/have-four-or-more-babies-in-hungary-and-youll-pay-no-income-tax-for-life.html

Have four or more babies in Hungary and you’ll pay no income tax for life, prime minister says.

Nature may have given the human race a way to aviod overpopulation without a mass dying. Just get all nations up to the economic level of Hungary and the population of the Earth will stablize or even reduce in numbers if countries like Hungary are any example.

alexei
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 11, 2019 3:43 pm

Tom A, — I think you’re overlooking certain religious precepts that require followers to achieve the maximum number of progeniture to further the aims of said religion.. Now numbering 1.5 Billion and spread into every country on the planet, at this point, it’s hard to see what might trigger a change of direction. Meanwhile, we dwindle and they proliferate but no one wants to discuss the outcome.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  alexei
February 11, 2019 4:09 pm

Good point, alexei.

I would like to see a study of Muslim population growth among those who are living in Western Europe. Does the increased affluence cause them to have fewer babies? The Turkish population in Germany has been there a long time. They might be a good Muslim population to study.

MarkW
Reply to  alexei
February 11, 2019 4:28 pm

The population growth in Muslim countries is plummeting as well.
Those rates haven’t fallen as far as they have in western countries mostly because Islam and modernity are mostly incompatible.

old white guy
Reply to  Kenji
February 12, 2019 7:03 am

Kenji, I have read a number of books relating to population, one that I enjoyed was living Within Limits by Garrett Hardin. All speculation and analysis aside, the planet is indeed a finite piece of dirt and like all finite things there is a limit to what it will support. However, I believe that nature will do what we are unwilling to do. Nature always has and always will. Everybody cannot have everything.

markl
Reply to  Edith Wenzel
February 11, 2019 6:00 pm

+1 A hoax so audacious that anyone questioning its’ veracity could easily be labeled a conspiracy theorist. All it required was enough money to buy the media.

February 11, 2019 10:21 am

Fake climate / environmental crises
have been used since the 1960s
to promote stronger central governments (socialism).

A crisis, whether real or fake,
can be used to increase government power.

I believe that’s the primary goal.

Whether a small subset of people
want more government power
to implement some kind of population
controls, is a side issue.

The declining birth rates in many nations
will do a good job of ‘population control’.

By “fake” crisis, I mean an imaginary crisis
that is always “coming”, but never arrives !

Like the imaginary climate change crisis,
“coming” since the 1960’s, but the climate
keeps getting better, rather than worse !

In fact, the climate has been getting better
for 20,000 years — only the imaginary
future climate is always bad news.

On an individual level, people get attention
and study grants by claiming a disaster is coming.

Anyone who wanted to “protect” the planet
would encourage adding more CO2 to the atmosphere
(as greenhouse owners do inside their greenhouses)
to ‘green’ our planet, and accelerate C3 plant growth.

The only “bad” CO2, is the CO2 that results from
burning fossil fuels without pollution controls,
such as a Chinese family burning soft coal
or wood to heat their home, polluting the
air in their neighborhood.

posa
Reply to  Richard Greene
February 11, 2019 1:16 pm

Correct. Populations are crashing across the globe. The UN itself publishes several population projections. The low estimate finds population in 2100 about where it is today.
https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

Change one variable in the UN Population formula (female education) and that alone greatly lowers the standard scary projection to a little more than the current global population.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-world-might-actually-run-out-of-people/

“Wired” reported on the anomalies in the UN Population Projection and crowed in its headline “The World Might Actually Run Out of People”… that’s not a danger either.

The rise of a completely artificial labor force spawned by current generations or robotics, machine learning/ AI, driverless cars will replace at least 40% of the current US labor force. This could be a utopian or dystopian development depending on how the challenge is addressed.

MarkW
Reply to  posa
February 11, 2019 1:27 pm

Actual population growth (much like actual temperature increases) have always come in lower than the lowest model projections.

Reply to  Richard Greene
February 11, 2019 2:00 pm

Power concentration, Malthusianism, misanthropy, neuroticism, virtue signaling and hubris explains the drivers of the narrative. People that promote AGW have their personal motivation(s) but what makes it popular to an otherwise inattentive denizen? Why do the masses follow? Why do they care? What makes Gore, DiCaprio and Mann credible? Why do people want to believe? Because they want to know how the story ends. People want to know how we are all going to die? The Apocalypse, Armageddon, A Boy and His Dog, Terminator, Revelations… And then there are a whole bunch that don’t buy it.

earthling2
February 11, 2019 10:22 am

I think we will find that a gene is responsible for this way of thinking. This perceived future climate dystopia is deeply rooted in our collective conscious from eons of humans adapting to the climate. It is the oldest story in the book, from the Garden of Eden (height of Holocene) to the Great Flood (ending of the ice age). And everything in between then and now.

We can now adapt fairly easily instead of haul up our tent and move, but large swaths of the Priestly Classes still think we can call on the weather gods and change the climate. That is in fact their power base, as we see the last 2-3 months of deadly alarmism calls to authority that only a dozen years are left to fix it all, or else. Or else!

Curious George
Reply to  earthling2
February 11, 2019 12:58 pm

Probably t is not a human gene. A virus, maybe?

Steve Reddish
Reply to  earthling2
February 11, 2019 8:22 pm

You mismatched your correlation. End of ice age came before height of Holocene – backwards.

SR

Earthling2
Reply to  Steve Reddish
February 12, 2019 2:09 am

Obviously..I was was working backwards from present. My point was I think the humans who have this climate believe system that humans who do certain things such as burn fossil fuels cause the climate to change catastrophically and become warmer/colder have a gene responsible for allowing this thought to take hold. The majority must have this gene, based upon academia & media and many political entities buying into this belief system as the absolute truth. If it it is some type of gene similar to the one for religion, then we have an uphill battle fighting this with facts and scientific integrity. Which seems to be the case.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Steve Reddish
February 12, 2019 9:07 am

I was referring to attempting to match end of ice age with the great Flood, and matching Holocene Optimum with Garden Of Eden. Holocene Optimum followed end of ice age, while Garden of Eden preceded Great Flood. Whether you count backwards or forwards, match up doesn’t work.

PS Greeks knew Garden of Eden as Garden of Hesperides.

SR

Rob_Dawg
February 11, 2019 10:24 am

Population control in China has left them with a surplus of young men and no war within which to waste their lives.

The consequences of top down social engineering is guaranteed to have unforeseen negative consequences. To some extent conservatism has lost the language war. Even the word conservative isn’t associated with conservation anymore. Worse, the line has been moved from “should we do something?” to “what should we do?” And the latest battle is forcing the “Anthropocene” label on a legitimate science for political purposes.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
February 11, 2019 12:32 pm

It’s easy to lose the language war when the other side keeps changing the meaning of words. When you can get arrested in the UK for arguing that a person with XY chromosomes is a man, life has taken an odd turn.

Pft
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
February 11, 2019 1:03 pm

On the contrary, its left them with an older population and a shortage of young people, especially young women.

5G will depopulate China as well as the West by reducing fertility rates even more

MarkW
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
February 11, 2019 1:30 pm

The Chinese leaders need to be careful about starting any wars.
First they must make sure that it is a war they can win.
Second they must make sure that it is a war that they can convince the people was worth winning.

Because of the one child policy, there are a lot of parents and grandparents with only a single child to carry on the family name.
If the government gets that son killed in a war that the population doesn’t support, the rise in social unrest will be quick and violent.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  MarkW
February 11, 2019 8:36 pm

Nearly 50% of parents already lack a male heir to directly perpetuate the family name. Their consolation is the many cousins to their daughters that carry the family name. A war my not make much difference.

SR

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Reddish
February 12, 2019 9:34 am

The one child policy allowed a second child if the first was a girl.
I strongly suspect that the Chinese won’t stop at sending just men to war.

Duane
February 11, 2019 10:26 am

The climate alarmist position has always been rooted in misanthropy. People are the problem, the “virus” infecting the earth, and must be controlled and wherever possible, reduced in numbers.

But since it seems rather difficult to enact laws that result in fewer people – genocide not being a popular organizing principle – the control part of the the misanthropic mindset is what the warmists have left.

pochas94
February 11, 2019 10:38 am

“Was climate change alarmism always about fears of overpopulation?”

No, it’s about virtue signalling for fame and profit by a bunch of knownothings.

ResourceGuy
February 11, 2019 10:40 am

It’s ironic that the actual threat to economic growth, funding social programs, and paying climate change policy crusades is in fact the result of the aging population bubble in major countries with resulting impact in rising sovereign debt and unfavorable funding ratios of young workers to retirees. That bubble will persist for another 40 years while climate change policy distortion piles on more cost to deal with demographics that are already baked in.

Dealing with people on how destructively wrong and out of touch they are is frustrating at times.

Fred Harwood
February 11, 2019 10:41 am

To paraphrase George, “Progress and Poverty” (1879): Both hawks and men eat chicken; the more hawks the fewer chicken; the more men, the more and more varied chicken.

Staffan Lindström
February 11, 2019 10:43 am

Yes, Victoria Station can be a little overpopulated at times (illustrating picture)….

Rob
February 11, 2019 10:44 am

Very scholarly linkage between Malthusian scares. SO2 or CO2 … cooling or warming … can’t be good because nature is optimal and pristine.

William Astley
February 11, 2019 10:54 am

The cult of CAGW have no master plan. They are angry pushers of evil chaos.

Is it common sense, that there is for each country, an upper limit to population?

Population growth in Africa, partly because of Islamic practices, is out of control.

https://qz.com/africa/1016790/more-than-half-of-the-worlds-population-growth-will-be-in-africa-by-2050/

“Africa will account for the highest population spurt with an additional 1.3 billion people on the continent, a new UN population report shows.

Much of Africa’s population boom will come from Nigeria, currently the world’s 7th most populous country. By 2050, the report predicts, Nigeria will become the world’s third largest country by population, becoming one of the six nations projected to have a population of over 300 million.”

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/population-of-india-326630-2016-07-11

“In July 2015, India’s population was recorded at about 127,42,39,769 and it is growing since the last data came out. As per the 2011 Census, the population of India is almost equal to the combined population of the United States, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Japan put together.”

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/population-control-bill-india-crisis-1313179-2018-08-13

“What is a two-child policy?

Two-child policy, famously known as ‘hum do humare do’ is a term which has been frequently used in public via advertisements on trucks or on public walls.

The term is not new to Indians, especially.”

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  William Astley
February 11, 2019 1:30 pm

What population density can the world support? Well, NJ in the US has the 5th highest per capita income. It is more densely populated than India.

John Endicott
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
February 12, 2019 6:04 am

And Yet NJ lacks the really big crowded cities like NY or LA and generally isn’t considered a poster child of overpopulation (unlike India which is considered such). It also has a large track of protected land – The New Jersey Pinelands National Reserve aka the Pine Barrens, home of the Jersey Devil, that takes up 22% of New Jersey’s land area – whose development is strictly controlled by the New Jersey Pinelands Commission and thus remains relatively sparsely populated compared to the rest of the state.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  John Endicott
February 14, 2019 2:58 pm

Not to mention the huge amount of basically “no-build” area formed as a result of the Highlands Watershed preservation action.

MarkW
Reply to  William Astley
February 11, 2019 1:33 pm

For a population growth that’s supposedly out of control, it sure is falling fast.

Reply to  William Astley
February 11, 2019 2:24 pm

William, the population will peak at 9B we are 85% there. It may overshoot and fall back if we dont provide good conditions for arriving at the prosperity needed to achieve this, like not spending trillions on global warming or one of its generic equivalents and allowing access to cheap energy and good education.

Sustainability: resources are much more than adequate. Every ton of copper produced remains on the surface of the earth in scrap or in use and mining is now a topping up activity. Moreover, substitutability is huge – moreso than ever with engineered composites, and we use less material per unit with time (the first computer I saw in the early 60s took up a whole airconditioned room and didnt have the computing power of my cell phone)- and so much more. Little Guyana, one of the poorest of countries reports 5B bbls of oil just discovered in their offshore! USGS published a report a couple of years ago that estimates 3.5Bmt of copper yet to be found using current technology. The other minerals and metals are similarly abundant.

We have prosperity and peace in the offing with a peaked population and a greening planet after mid century. Bangladesh is a success story rapidly moving out of proverty with China-like economic growth rates and an attenuating population. My “Garden of Eden Earth ^тм” is on its way! I won’t make it to mid century as I’m presently sampling my 9th decade (10th in a year from now) but I may see enough that others will even be seeing it. The last of the Malthusians will be a bearded homeless nut with a sandwich board in a couple of decades.

MarkW
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 11, 2019 3:13 pm

Much of current population growth is coming from less people dying as opposed to more people being born.
As a result populations around the world are aging rapidly.
Once the population does peak, it won’t stabilize, it will instead start to fall, and fall fast.

James Francisco
Reply to  Gary Pearse
February 12, 2019 8:56 am

Wow. I wish you were my neighbor.

troe
February 11, 2019 11:02 am

Being wrong again and again and again doesn’t really stop them from making predictions. That by itself is amazing hubris.

Joel Snider
February 11, 2019 11:05 am

It’s just the modern fear-mongers consolidating their alarmism – it’s the same crew – just separated by eras – although not separated far.

The first and foremost connecting feature is anti-human, people are a pestilence.
And of course any agenda-item they can dog-pile on-board. Climate change is sexist, racist, capitalist, etc.
Ever notice THAT particular feature?

February 11, 2019 11:08 am

Here’s a copy and paste quote from Larry Kummer’s article here at WUWT.

“The use of questions in headlines to arouse irrational fears is the basis of Betteridge’s Law: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.””

Climate change alarmism is about socialism, not population control per se.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 11, 2019 11:30 am

Dr. John Schellnhuber, CBE disagrees with you. The target is less than 1 billion. Snap out of the synarchist (nazi-commie) haze.

Joel Snider
Reply to  bonbon
February 11, 2019 1:45 pm

It’s about control – population reduction/control is just one element.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 11, 2019 7:53 pm

Is Betteridge’s Law true?

HD Hoese
February 11, 2019 11:11 am

I recall somebody back in Ehrlich days calculating what the earth would hold (human numbers) in terms of space, maximum density sort of thing. Computers allowed all sorts of quick extrapolation assumptions. Crowds do have their disadvantages. Mob psychology, parasites and diseases, etc.

Steve O
Reply to  HD Hoese
February 11, 2019 12:22 pm

Side note: If you pack all the people in the world into a cube, with no spaces or gaps, it would fit in my neighborhood. It would be a cube 0.4km in size. That’s what is creating all the warming.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Steve O
February 11, 2019 2:42 pm

New kind of condo?

Reply to  Steve O
February 11, 2019 6:57 pm

I calculated that you could get 90 billion people into Lake Superior each treading water in 1 sq.m. (I was told they wouldn’t go for it!) I was trying to get an idea of how much room they would actually occupy.

Schitzree
Reply to  Steve O
February 12, 2019 4:29 pm

Every single human currently on Earth could fit inside the state of Texas with no more population density the New York City. And that includes all the parkland, as well as some fairly inefficient neighborhoods.

With modern ‘Arcology’ style building, you could cut that space to a quarter of that and still avoid the kind of overcrowding you see in Chinese cities. It’s all about planning.

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Neo
February 11, 2019 11:12 am

Of course, there was that alt.conspiracy story about Margaret Thatcher creating Global Warming as a way to punish coal miners.
Some many conspiracies, not enough time.

February 11, 2019 11:12 am

Authors do make an effort at the current well known usual perps. Still to get a better idea we need some archaeological depth- some may think the story of Prometheus is a myth. Zeus (like Babylon’s Enlil) just could’nt sleep with the teeming masses’ noise . Enlil unleashed a deluge and plague to reduce the population. Zeus tried to remove fire, torturing Prometheus who never would reveal the secret of Zeus’ certain end.

It is uncanny that the New Brown Greens want to remove fire from the only species that uses it. The Greek story is right on the point. How is it that that ancient story Prometheus Bound (2 sections lost) reveals all? Zeus is imperial and the modern lurch to population reduction pre-programmed.

This has being going on at least 6000 years. Still, we have always outflanked them, with 7.5 billion now, and China on board, Zeus is actually a looser. It is no surprise Macron invoked Jupiter, and the French reminded him the Greek Temple was too small – if he rose of his throne he either smashed his head off the roof or brought the house down. Aïe, ça fait mal!

Looks like the GND is too big for the House !

Reply to  bonbon
February 11, 2019 12:59 pm

Well, if I may shamelessly plugged our book https://populationbombed.com/ , we do cover both ancient mythology (somewhat known) and (post) eugenics writings (conveniently forgotten) on the topic.

DMA
February 11, 2019 11:14 am

For over ten years I have been studying the science of AGW an slowly became aware of this underlying motivation that is promoting the deceit that surrounds the promotion of the AGW to provide wider control of the population. I have long thought that if everyone knew we were not causing global warming the manipulators would fail. Maybe even admit their error. I have now become convinced that there is no evidence that our use of fossil fuels is changing the atmosphere or the climates. I am just beginning to see the shape of the battle for reality because, all along it has been an excuse not a problem that deserved addressing. Do you think AO-C and her Green New Deal has any idea she is being used or is she in on the scam and proud of it?

Reply to  DMA
February 11, 2019 11:28 am

I suspect she may have delusions of Olympia – see post above on Zeus.

john
Reply to  DMA
February 11, 2019 2:37 pm

Her eyes are so wide open they see through everything and everybody. She’s young and stupid. But that kind of stupid doesn’t wear off.

Kevin Balch
February 11, 2019 11:14 am

So being overrun with third worlders is really a blessing? A “resource” that delivers itself.

ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N
February 11, 2019 11:17 am

See, this is why aliens from Arcturus won’t visit us anytime soon. They peer through their telescope at us:

“How they doin’..?”
“They still stupid.”
“Okay. Try again in another 1000..”

Reply to  ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N
February 11, 2019 11:45 am

that’s better, I like your sOleil

Reply to  ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N
February 11, 2019 11:48 am

They came around few weeks ago, had a close look, ‘nothing of interest here’ and left
https://youtu.be/IV73Wdjtbf0

brians356
February 11, 2019 11:25 am

I just looked up “scientist” in the dictionary:

“n. An infallible, incorruptible human being”

john
Reply to  brians356
February 11, 2019 2:35 pm

Shucks, that was Michael Mann’s last chance.

geek49203
February 11, 2019 11:27 am

Same hockey stick graph, same people with dire warnings, same pseudo-science. I said 20 years ago that this was all ‘Population Bomb” all over again.

Walt D.
February 11, 2019 11:37 am

Not sure that this is backed up by the timeline.
Climate Change alarmism only started after Global Warming failed to deliver.
Initially, global warming was thought up as a way to hobble capitalism after the collapse of the USSR.

Reply to  Walt D.
February 11, 2019 12:16 pm

The USSR collapsed in 1991. That was 3 years after Hansen and Wirth played their little global Warming scam in 1988.

John Endicott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
February 15, 2019 5:40 am

The USSR was collapsing for years before it completely broke up. The Berlin Wall, for example, fell in 1989 a mere year after Hansen and Wirth’s little show of turning off the AC. so the “writing was on the wall” as the saying goes long before the end credits rolled on the USSR.

Dave
February 11, 2019 11:47 am

Science turned on its head for social and political purposes… as old as the field of study itself. Humans being human with all the flaws.

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