Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I keep reading about all kinds of crazy schemes to reduce US CO2 emissions. Now, I don’t think that CO2 is the secret knob that controls the climate. I think that the earth has a host of emergent thermoregulatory mechanisms that act to keep the temperature within narrow limits (e.g. 0.6°C temperature change over the entire 20th Century). I don’t believe the claims that the modern changes in CO2 will affect the temperature.
But solely for the purposes of this post, let’s assume that the alarmists are correct. And for purposes of discussion only, let’s assume that the Earth’s temperature is free to go up and down any amount. Let’s assume that CO2 is, in fact, the secret control knob that controls the temperature of the earth. And let’s further assume that the pundits are right that the “climate sensitivity” is three degrees of warming for every doubling of CO2.
And finally, let’s assume that in 2018 the US magically stopped emitting any CO2 at all.
With all of those assumptions as prologue, here’s the question of interest.
Other things being equal, if the US stopped emitting CO2 entirely in 2018, and stayed at zero CO2 emissions indefinitely, how much cooler would that make the planet in the year 2050?
Five degrees cooler? Two degrees? One degree?
With the (probably untrue but very widely held) assumptions we’ve made above, we can actually calculate the temperature savings if the US could stop emitting CO2.
To start with, we need to look at the actual history of CO2 emissions. Figure 1 shows the emission records, divided into the US emissions and the emissions from the rest of the world.

Figure 1. Historical CO2 emissions. Data from CDIAC and BP Statistical Review of World Energy.
Now, this is interesting in itself. First, the current US emissions are about the same as they were back around 1978 (dashed black line). So over the last forty years, our emissions haven’t increased at all. Makes no difference to me, but if you think CO2 is important that’s not a bad record, I’d say.
In addition, US emissions peaked in 2007 and have decreased since that time. On the other hand, as Figure 1 shows, since 1959 the emissions of the rest of the world have steadily been … well … heading for the sky.
Next, we need to calculate what would happen to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere if US emissions went to zero. We can calculate that by noting that it takes 13.3 gigatonnes of CO2 emissions to increase the atmospheric CO2 by one part per million by volume (ppmv).
So to calculate future atmospheric CO2 levels, I assumed that CO2 would continue rising as it has in the past. This is called a “business as usual” (BAU) scenario. And for the purposes of this calculation, I assumed that the US emissions went to zero in the year 2018. Figure 2 shows the amount of difference that would make in the atmospheric CO2.

Figure 2. Historical and projected increases in atmospheric CO2. “Business as Usual” assumes that emissions continue to increase as they have in the past, so it is a smooth extension of historical changes in atmospheric CO2. The lower red line is done in the same way, but assuming that the US emissions went to zero in 2018. The yellow shaded area shows future projections.
Why so little difference? US emissions are no longer a major player. In 1959, US emissions were about half those of the rest of the world. But by 2017, US emissions had fallen to only 20% of emissions of the rest of the world. And the emissions of the rest of the world are continuing to rise. As a result, US emissions going to zero doesn’t have a very large effect. It only decreases emissions by 11 ppmv by 2050, which is only about a 2% decrease in atmospheric CO2.
Next, we need to convert CO2 levels to temperature. According to the prevailing theory, a doubling of CO2 will increase the temperature by about 3° Celcius. Using that relationship gives us Figure 3, the temperature change theoretically due to the change in CO2.

Figure 3. Theoretical historical and projected temperature increases due to increasing CO2. The yellow shaded area shows future projections. These are temperature anomalies with respect to 1959.
So we’ve arrived at the answer to the question we started out with, and the answer is:
If we magically stopped emitting CO2 at the end of 2017, and stayed at zero CO2 emissions indefinitely, by 2050 the world would be cooler by a measly tenth of one degree …
How small is a tenth of a degree C? To start with, it is far too small for us to detect with our senses. It is also too small to detect with a normal thermometer. It’s the cooling you’d experience from going up three flights of stairs. Or in terms of weather and the ambient temperature, it’s a cooling equivalent to moving five miles (eight km) poleward from wherever you live …
However, the magnified scale of Figure 3 gives an exaggerated idea of the real-world difference that stopping US emissions would make. To get an accurate idea of just how trivial the temperature change would be, Figure 4 shows it on a normal outdoor thermometer scale:

Figure 4. Exactly the same data as in Figure 3, but to the scale of a regular thermometer. The yellow shaded area shows future projections. (As a side note, the blue line shows a warming of 1.6°C from 1959 to 2050 … greater than the dreaded 1.5°C warming target that everyone is hyperventilating about. Scary looking change, huh? But I digress …)
Just as in Figure 3, in Figure 4 there are actually two lines showing the temperature—a red line for the US going to zero and a blue line for the business as usual scenario. But you can’t see the red line, because it only differs from the business as usual blue line by a tenth of a degree C …
And that means that regarding the question of how much cooling we’d get by 2050 if the US stopped emitting CO2 entirely, the real-world answer is … no perceptible difference at all. None. Far too small for anyone to sense directly. Far too small to register on your outdoor thermometer. The US could go to zero emissions and in 2050 we’d never notice the temperature difference.
So the next time someone tries to get you to sign on to yet another brilliant plan that the US is supposed to sign on to in order to “reduce our carbon footprint”, like the plans for everyone in the US to stop eating meat or to stop flying in airplanes or to buy electric cars or to cover half the US landscape with solar panels or to tax energy until the poor people put on yellow vests and throw rocks … well, the next time one of those charming folks proposes one of those plans, all of which come with a multi-billion dollar price tag, feel free to point them to this analysis and tell them “Even cutting US emissions to zero will make no perceptible difference by 2050! None!”.
Best regards to all,
w.
My Usual Request: When you comment, please quote the exact words that you are discussing so that we can all understand your subject.
It is really too bad that a coal powered smoke stack, or the exhaust from a diesel semi truck, didn’t smell like a large bed of roses. Because I honestly believe that most of the world has real particulate pollution mixed up with CO2. Which is a tasteless (no pun intended) gas, not to mention invisible and ordorlous trace GHG that is absolutely essential to life on the good Earth. But as it seems, the truth is mostly persecuted.
It’s never really been about the climate for those in power that are running the propaganda machine in academia, media, law, and (sadly) science. Evidence: any time a means for CO2 remediation is proposed that doesn’t include central control of emissions, that remedy is shot down. Also, nuclear energy is scoffed at…COMPARED TO THE TOTAL RUINATION OF CIVILIZATION? WHAT?
Most of the rank and file “useful believers” do believe it but mostly because the (centrally) prescribed remedies synch with their political leanings.
Temperatures are reaching their expected interglacial peak levels…so some natural cooling should commence soon. Unfortunately, “soon” in climate is 30 to 50 years… So I hope the solar guys are right.
Surely this is just another example of the tragedy of the commons. Clearly no one’s personal footprint is
going to make a significant difference but collectively there is a huge impact. Perhaps Willis should look
at projections for the number of home’s flooded in the USA assuming that the climate projections are accurate
and then wonder if the USA should do nothing.
“Perhaps Willis should look at projections for the number of home’s flooded in the USA assuming that the climate projections are accurate and then wonder if the USA should do nothing.”
The point Willis is making is that if the USA does even as much as it theoretically possibly could to reduce emissions, it will make no difference. If the USA reduces its emissions to zero tomorrow, it will not make any appreciable difference in 2050, or even decades beyond 2050.
If you’re truly worried about flooding in the U.S., support development of portable systems consisting of tubes filled with water and air that can be moved in to reduce both storm surge and inland flooding.
Yeah..like move out of the flood plain. How can people just be so ignorant to think that living in harms way is somehow caused by ‘climate change’. Sooner or later the 1-100 event will strike, and whether that is increased by an atmosphere that holds 4% more water, has nothing to do with why the house in the flood plain still gets flooded. Some people just don’t learn. The house up the hill didn’t flood.
What about pulling co2 out of water and sequestering ? What is that cost ?
CO2 in water IS sequestered already. A large portion of the 50% of emissions that gets sequestered is done by water.
SR
Wonderful Willis …… Happy Christmas to All .
Nothing wrong with the calculation, but I do believe that a substantial portion of the ROW emissions is due to consumption of products manufactured there but consumed by Americans and Europeans.
Willis
Here is a link from Forbes in 2013.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmichaels/2013/07/25/reduce-u-s-carbon-emissions-to-zero-and-the-temperature-decrease-by-2100-will-be-undetectable/#1f7672b83909
And the US CO2 emission calculator:
https://www.cato.org/carbon-tax-temperature-savings-calculator
Thanks, ski. Two things.
First, I should have known that Pat Michaels would beat me to the punch. It’s an excellent article with an online calculator.
Second, this is the reason I post my work here—the breadth and depth of the knowledge of the teeming masses is astounding …
I’ll add both of those to the head post when I have a minute …
All the best,
w.
My mass is teeming?
SR
What this highlights more than anything is the futility of current efforts to curtail CO2 emissions.
The funny part is so few activists actually realize that fact. I know for example Kristi S who posts on here got caught by that one she had no idea. Really all small nations like Australia are doing is virtue signalling it really isn’t important if they comply or not.
Strangely now human rights has been removed from the COP rulebook it would be easier to just get the top 10 emitter countries and work agreements between them. You can do away with the whole world junk and that approach might actually work to get emissions down if that is what is required.
The guarantee at the moment is if they do manage to cobble an agreement at COP24 it is almost going to be meaningless as without human rights it is just an agreement between soverign states with no punishment AKA business as usual.
Nick Stokes December 12, 2018 at 3:02 pm
Thanks, Nick, but that is not even close to a parallel situation. Not in the ballpark. Not even in the same universe.
Instead, it’s like someone comes around and says “We’re collecting money for a good cause … and only a few of your neighbors are giving money. How much do you want to give?”
What would be your first question be? Of course, for any sane person the question would be “What do we get for my money?” Because if we give, it will be in the billions of dollars …
So when they answer “Well, for totally upending your economy and spending billions of dollars to move off of fossil fuels, none of which you’ll get back, you’ll get a planet that MIGHT be a tenth of a degree cooler in 2050”, I know for a fact what sane folks would say to the people trying to sell us that asinine plan …
But I fear can’t tell you what they’d say, because this is a family blog …
w.
even worse than that is the daft stuff that passes as CO2 reducing, such as clearing forests and backing out coal in power stations. We now know that this is will not be CO2 neutral for I think 200 years.
It depends on the people of the earth not thinking of a better way to sidestep CO2 emissions if it proves to be a good idea in the next 200 years. But it will result in higher emissions in the interim in spite of a cost increase for the poor and a big transfer of cash to the ruling class while they virtue signal to their fellow welfare class colleagues.
Thanks Willis.
We live in the Great Left State of Washington. The State’s governor wants to do as much as possible to make us pay to reduce our emissions. Getting the State to zero emissions will do wonders for the Earth’s climate. Well, no one thinks that.
Some of us think (a) he just wants to have the money to spend, and (b) he wants to be President and this “green” agenda will improve his chances. I go with a + b.
We think Bernie and Alexandria are even worse choices for America but the initial field will be quite large and may yet include a reasonable centralist that doesn’t hate America.
Unfortunately, the striking students and others who should be reading this post will not be doing so.
And I know too many who will reply like Nick did.
Willis
O/T and FYI
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/far-southern-ocean-cools-kiss-goodbye-to-polar-amplication-around-antarctica/
Kant.
Nash equilbrium.
long ago they used to dump poop out the window. Every person could apply willis logic and conclude that their personal chamber pot amounted to nothing. and they would continue to dump shit out the window.
now think about kantian ethics.
now think about nash.
driving now, so pardon the brevity.
SM, I see that you have not read through the responses, as your point has been more than adequately addressed several times. As you are driving, you must be using a mobile device. I’ve noticed that my mobile device presents the last posted response at the top. This explains why you have not read other’s responses before making yours.
I suggest it is better to wait until you are in a place where you can read through all responses before making your response. That way your response would be more sensible, and you and others on the road would be safer.
SR
A drive by comment.
Your argument fails, because to have a clean street relies upon all households not throwing out their poop.
Likewise if CO2 emissions are to be reduced then all countries, especially the largest emitters must reduce their CO2 emissions. But the largest emitter, China is not reducing its CO2 emissions, but instead it will at least double its CO2 emissions. The number 3 emitter, India, is also not reducing its emissions but will more than double its CO2 emissions such that by 2030 it will probably have become the 2nd largest emitter (assuming that the US continues to reduce emissions with its switch to fracked gas).
Unless China and India reduce CO2 emissions, it does not matter what the rest of the world does. Without these countries reducing their CO2 emissions by 2030 CO2 will have significantly increased.
The Paris Agreement was never about reducing global emissions, and that is why the likes of M@nn have called it out as a fr@ud. The globalist elite understand that we live in a consumer world and there would be an uprising if people in the developed nations could not continue to buy consumer goods. The US and European nations have essentially off-shored their industries to China and India, and the globalist elite know that in order to allow the people to have the goods they want. and which goods fund the lifestyle of the globalist elite, without causing an uprising, China and India must continue to manufacture these goods for western consumers. That is why these countries have been given a free pass with respect to CO2 emissions..
Mosh, no, that’s not a parallel either. Perhaps you missed my response to Nick Stokes, so let me quote it again:
Nick Stokes December 12, 2018 at 3:02 pm
Thanks, Nick, but that is not even close to a parallel situation. Not in the ballpark. Not even in the same universe.
Instead, it’s like someone comes around and says “We’re collecting money for a good cause … and only a few of your neighbors are giving money. How much do you want to give?”
What would be your first question be? Of course, for any sane person the question would be “What do we get for my money?” Because if we give, it will be in the billions of dollars …
So when they answer “Well, for totally upending your economy and spending billions of dollars to move off of fossil fuels, none of which you’ll get back, you’ll get a planet that MIGHT be a tenth of a degree cooler in 2050”, I know for a fact what sane folks would say to the people trying to sell us that asinine plan …
But I fear can’t tell you what they’d say, because this is a family blog …
w.
In addition, Mosh, ONE person throwing poop out the window makes a huge difference if you are walking by … but one person cutting their CO2 emissions is totally meaningless no matter where you are walking. Your analogy fails entirely.
w.
“Long ago they used to dump poop out the window. Then laws were implemented making it crime only for white people to do so….”
– Steve Mosher (paraphrased creatively)
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The following letter was written and addressed to the leader of the Greens here in Victoria, Australia. As anticipated, all my questions were ignored. I now address the letter to Nick Stokes and Steve Mosher—especially to Nick Stokes (because he’s Australian and says nothing about China burning our coal).
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Dear Nick Stokes and Steve Mosher,
Australia produces less than 1/3 of 1% of all human CO2 emissions. Assuming for the sake of argument that global-warming pseudo-science is true (and it’s not), the elimination of all Australian CO2
emissions would make no difference whatsoever to global average temperatures.
As a matter of fact, the NASA OCO2 satellite shows Australia to be a net SINK of CO2 – not a net producer. This is probably because CO2 accelerates plant growth, causing our deserts to green, and our forests to become more dense. See for yourself:
https://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2013/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2
But you don’t care. Just as you don’t care about non-multicultural-Japan, or non-multi-cultural India burning Australian resources for peanuts, totally guilt free.
You only seem to care about making energy unreliable and affordable for the western societies that invented…
► industrial steel,
► aluminum,
► the steam engine,
► the internal combustion engine,
► the diesel engine,
► the jet engine
► electricity generation
► electric motors
► semiconductors
► digital computing
and all the things that make life worthwhile and especially attractive to the 3rd world barbarians that ONLY western nations have to endure.
And you don’t see any irony in the perpetual charges of “racism” leveled at THE ONLY NATIONS ON EARTH to have multiculturalism rammed down their throats by hateful, undemocratic people like you; even while our streets are littered with homeless WHITE MEN so that Chinese investors can have a good time on the housing market; even as we provide free welfare, housing, education and hand-held computers to violent barbarians from Africa.
The Dalai Lama recently pointed out that so-called “refugees” should return to their broken countries and try to fix them, instead of flooding western nations and trying to break them.
I’m sure you wouldn’t dare call the Dalai Lama a racist, however, because his skin color and heritage don’t fit your conception of “racist”: that’s a charge only to be leveled by social justice warriors at white Europeans–the only people in the world who have multiculturalism forced down their throats by undemocratic, anti-European racist charlatans.
When informed, via peer-reviewed incontrovertible studies, that carbon dioxide fertilization from the burning of hydrocarbons, is GREENING the planet at a fantastic rate, you prefer to jam your fingers in your ears and pretend it isn’t happening.
It is a bizarre fact that the last people on Earth who want to know that the planet is greening call themselves greens!
But then, you don’t seem to care if China opens 100 new coal fired plants that will burn Australia’s life-enriching coal, just so long as Australians are forced to endure unreliable and unaffordable energy supplies.
Your silence on the matter of brown-skinned people burning our coal guilt-free is DEAFENING!!
I think that’s because you are a European-hating racist – like most so-called “greens.”
No Regards,
Leon Carter
(proud white male, and true humanist)
Excellent letter but there was one typo. In the sentence with the triangle points the word “affordable”, should be “unaffordable”. It’s a terrifyingly emotionally excruciatingly painful beyond tragic truth that racism is alive and politically correct in progressive circles. If any wealth was actually being shared by the guilt ridden self hating whites there might be some purpose. The hilarious thing is, the rich socialists aren’t giving up anything for their beliefs. The money saving us from the evil C02 all comes from working class and middle class taxpayers.
So what about the idea that the rise in temperature due to CO2 increase is logarithmic?
Seadog, always glad to see you. That’s accounted for above where I said:
If something goes up by a fixed amount for every doubling, that’s a logarithmic relationship.
My best to you and yours,
w.
Willis – Has this been blocked by the alarmists as none of us engineers and scientists at work can get it to work at the moment. Cheers 🍻
Willis — As usual, no argument with your article
From the Everybody_Has_Their_Own_Numbers department, compare this chart from the World Bank https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC with your figure 1. Same story more or less, but the emissions in the period 1970-2000 in the World Bank data is flatter than yours. Flat enough I think to call into question the assumption that human CO2 emissions are closely correlated with atmospheric CO2.
I wonder how many other emissions data sets are out there and what they look like? I’ll look into that … someday
I’m GUESSING that the common assumption that human CO2 emissions are closely related to atmospheric CO2 levels is quite likely correct. But if so, that suggests that emissions estimates are pretty awful.
FWIW, Scripps Institute atmospheric CO2 measurements are at http://scrippsco2.ucsd.edu/data/atmospheric_co2/
Ooops. World Bank data are CO2 per capita. Figure 1 is presumably total emissions. Probably the agreement is better than I thought.
Now that I think upon this for a while, I guess one could argue that as long as US total emissions decrease year over year — which they have been doing since we started hydraulically fracturing tight shales to produce natural gas — the US is more than doing its part to save the planet (from what?) Now get off our lawn and go bug someone else.
Seriously — the US truly is currently not contributing to additional global warming. And, as Willis points out, even if we somehow cut our emissions dramatically, the affect on global temperature would be negligible. Those who want to save the planet should take their concerns to the developing world — who will, I believe, listen politely then ignore their advice completely.
Skeptics should stick with the data. CO2 rise follows temperature rise after a lag of several hundred years.
Most of the CO2 rise that we see is due to the temperature recovery from the Little Ice Age (LIA) with a lag of 300 years . Coincidentally, a much smaller amount is being added by humans. It’s an accident that warmists, the IPCC and their much-amplified propaganda machine have taken advantage of.
Are these figures based on per country or per person? What would a comparison look like? Just asking
Something nether mentioned is that if a small increase of 1 or even 2 Celsius is dangerous to us humans then we should ban all long distance travel by planes. After all think of the shock factor to a person travelling from say a Australian summer of up to 40 C, to the winter in say the UK or Europe.
In the old days a ships slow rate of travel allowed us to get used to a slow increase in the temperature, but today its within a 24 hour period.
MJE
The biggest contribution to CO2 levels on Earth is made by its vegetation. Since the growth in CO2 level is overwhelmingly caused by that vegetation, and since this growth in CO2 level, together with global warming, fosters the more rapid growth of vegetation, we will continue to see rising CO2 levels until the Earth begins the next 500 year cooling cycle.
Let’s assume the alarmists are committed to a Big Lie: the breath of life is the gas of death.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” – Joseph Goebbels
“[Hitler’s] primary propaganda rules:
* people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one;
* if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it;
* never admit a fault or wrong;
* never accept blame;
* never leave room for alternatives;
* never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
* concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;
* never allow the public to cool off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie