People send me stuff. Below is an image from New York City of the 350.org “climate march” from their website today. It’s the usual horde of useful idiots, holding up signs suggesting they are being gassed and that “climate chaos” is afoot.
It is mostly an emotional response to a non-issue.
I was amused when WUWT reader Arvind sent this screen cap of an ad that appeared on Craigslist. One wonders how many of these marchers have similar situations where they are there on pay rather than on their own volition. Here’s the ad:
Source: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/evg/4669216880.html
That movie was such a bomb, they are reduced to “paid volunteers” handing out fliers on street corners at $50 each. Heh.
UPDATE: I wonder if these people got paid:
For perspective, in 2013, more than 50,000 people finished the New York City Marathon. “Each year nearly two million spectators line the course.” (Wikipedia)
Entries are limited and hard to get.
http://running.about.com/od/marathonsandreviews/a/How-To-Get-Into-The-New-York-City-Marathon.htm
Yesterday a bunch of climate campaigners stood in the pouring rain to complain about climate change. We had 35 mm of rain and we are pretty close to the long term average for the year. The day before we had the hottest day in September ever, however I no longer trust such “records” given the the Bureau of Meteorology have been homogenising them. People actually took their small children out in the cold and the wet to listen to other people complain about how hot it’s getting.
And where exactly was this – we don’t know where you live, for future reference…
This is a purely political exercise. Even the most positive spin doesn’t make it look like there are enough people involved to have much of an impact.
Our local NBC affiliate loving covered the march but the headline was “Marching for Climate Change”. OOPS! I loved the sign that said fracking was killing the bumblebees. And the lighting that made the Rio De Janeiro “Christ the Redeemer” statue green. Guess it’s true, you can fool some people all the time.
RACookPE1978
Competition to present the most outrageous falsehood is not a good way to win an argument or to convince others that you have a case worth hearing.
You make the ridiculous assertion that “175,000,000” have been killed by “by socialism under all of its ugly names”. Your silly assertion is as ridiculous as the “22 million climate refugees”.
We know as fact that in the last century the extreme right arrested socialists and murdered them in German death camps while communists in Russia were also murdering them. History is replete with examples of such atrocities, but I know of no case of such activities by socialists.
Richard
You are aware that “NAZI” was short for the National Socialist Party, right? And that Communism and socialism are close cousins?
Richard;
Fascism and Socialism are both forms of statism and collectivism. Both seek the enslavement and subordination of individual initiative and talent to the will of the state. Both are tyrannical and totalitarian. In practice, both require crony capitalism and corporatism to survive, and both ultimately foster control of the masses by a political, financial and industrial elite who make all the rules. In such regimes the individual has very few if any rights, and little control over their lives. History shows us that is where all people who call themselves “Socialists” are headed.
Jbird
NO! Your post consists solely of flagrant falsehoods.
Socialism is an extreme form of individualism. Your attempt to pretend socialism is communism is extremely offensive.
I and other socialists are the antithesis of your assertions. We leave that kind of behaviour to gun-toting Americans in schools.
Richard
Cowcharge
You are aware that the ultra-right lead by H1tler rounded up socialists and tried to kill them, right?
Communism and socialism are also very different and that is why Stal1n tried to exterminate socialists.
Please keep charge of your cows and leave discussion of political philosophies to those who know what they are.
Richard
Richards,
Ahem, Hitler was a socialist himself. A National Socialist which meant that he controlled the state and everything else that affected the population. He was a totalitarian socialist – no government by the people for the people but government by Hitler for Hitler.
Communists were sent to death camps along with “political dissidents”, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jews, inmates of mental institutions and anyone else who was denounced by ones good NAZI neighbors.
Stalin was very like Hitler, He use communism to cement his power and also got rid of anyone he didn’t like or he felt threatened by. Collectivization was used to further cement his power.
so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.
Do either Hitler’s regime or Stalin’s fall outside this definition? (Merriam Webster)
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
rogerthesurf
H1tler was NOT a socialist: he was a fascist who rounded up socialists and exterminated them.
The ultra-right have always tried to smear their opponents by saying
Except for the final quoted sentence, that is how the Naz1s them selves misrepresented themselves. And as you demonstrate, that ultra-right propaganda has not changed nearly a century later.
I don’t care how you choose to misrepresent a definition in one dictionary.
Using the descriptive short hand of Marx
Socialism
is the principle of ‘To each according to need and from each according to ability.
Communism
is the principle of ‘To all according to need and from all according to ability.
Fascism
is the principle of ‘To all according to government dictate and from all according to government dictate.
Enough of your ultra-right propaganda. This thread is about “Paid volunteers for the NYC Climate March”: it is NOT intended as an opportunity for the ultra-right to pretend that H1tler was some kind of socialist and a ‘good guy’.
Richard
The goal of Socialsm IS Communism. Vladimir Lennin
Eric
This thread has had a Fascist supporting Naz11sm, a Marxist spouting Marx, and now you spouting Lenin promoting Communism. And you all do it in attempt to pretend your objectionable opinions are socialism. THEY ARE NOT!
Richard
You can call the Nazis “ultra-right” all you want. It doesn’t change the truth about what they were: Intrusive big gov’t, nationalized industry, and loss of civil rights. Every citizen worked for the gov’t, just like you want here. Calling socialism an “extreme form of individualism” is laughable. And I’ll discuss whatever I choose, whenever I choose. You haven’t yet erased ALL free speech, commie.
Cowcharge
I understand your behaviour to be typical of the American ultra-right.
Thankfully you only fool each other with your putrid distortions of reality.
Richard
LOL. You know nothing of my political views except what you have read here, in this thread. So your calling me ultra-right is pretty funny, like most things ultra-lefties say (at least, when they are powerless to implement their moonbat ideas).
Richards,
Where did I say Hitler was a good guy?
Oh I get it, Socialists are good guys therefore as Hitler was bad he couldn’t have been a socialist.
Cheers
Roger
Cowcharge and rogerthesurf
Do you fasci1sts really think you convince anyone with your nonsense? You cannot because to this day your predecessors are so despised that we have Godwin’s Law.
Cowcharge, you call a socialist – i.e. me – a “commie” then write to me saying
What more evidence of your “political views” does anybody need your those words you have posted here? My family lost everything in a World War that began in 1939 to rid the world of your predecessors and their activities. We would fight again.
rogerthesurf, you ask and assert
No! Don’t pretend to be an idiot as a smokescreen for your malign political propaganda.
H1tler was NOT a socialist: he was a fasc1st.
By claiming H1tler was a socialist you try to bring your hero into the realms of political acceptability.
Cowcharge and rogerthesurf, please return to whatever primordial slime from which you guys have crawled. This thread is NOT about your contemptible politics.
Richard
“My family lost everything in a World War that began in 1939 to rid the world of your predecessors and their activities. We would fight again.”
At least now you’re brave enough to admit your family sided with the Nazis and helped start WW2. Well both my parents fought in that war to rid the world of YOUR socialist predecessors (albeit in the Pacific). And yes, we would fight again as well. So go ahead and start another war, and we’ll kick your butts just like last time.
Cowcharge
You have gone too far!
Clearly, there is nothing you fascists will not stoop to.
My family were blitzed by the Luftwaffe in the fight against your hero, H1tler, and you try to pretend they were supporting your fascist views.
You are not worth the effort of spitting at.
Richard
You’re the one who said it was started “to rid the world of your predecessors and their activities.” It was started by the Nazis. And you’re still trying to “rid the world” of the people who built this country: The independent-minded and the industrious.
“H1tler was NOT a socialist: he was a fasc1st.
By claiming H1tler was a socialist you try to bring your hero into the realms of political acceptability.”
It appears my previous assertion about your thinking is correct.
I am beginning to think that your attitude is proving to be “outside the realms of political acceptability”.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I respectfully suggest that you study these things closely after you graduate from high school.
Cheers
Roger
Socialism is the CURE to climate change? Are these people for real? In terms of killing large numbers of people maybe.
Even Communism is better – you can kill more people that way…
Some 125,000,000 killed by Communism, right? 175,000,000 by socialism under all of its ugly names. So far. They are not finished yet.
watermelons… all of them.
RACookPE1978
You assert that “175,000,000” have been killed by socialism. I assume you are referring to exterminated malarial mosquitoes because socialism has killed no person.
Richard
RACookPE1978
You assert
Really?
Where, when and how did socialism “demand for abortion”?
Where was this demand implemented and by whom?
How did you learn of this astonishing secret plot which has killed “175,000,000” unidentified “innocents” of whom nobody has heard?
Additionally, are you frightened of “socialists” under your bed at night?
You go on from that madness by writing this
It may have escaped your notice that those were COMMUNIST regimes and that “Germany’s national socialist” party was FASC1ST. Not one of them was socialist.
Perhaps you could search for the bodies of the “57,000,000 US citizens” whom you say have been killed by a section of the US democrat party since 1973. That’s a big number so the bodies should be littering the streets.
Richard
Well, you are right: 175,000,000 innocents have been killed by socialism’s demand for abortion since 1980.
I was actually totaling those killed by Stalin-Lenin-et al since 1917 across the Soviet Union of Socialist States, those murdered under Chinese Socialist communism (57 – 63 millions, plus as many more aborted under their policies since their formation in the 40’s), plus those killed under Cambodia’s socialist communism (3-4 millions) plus those killed under Germany’s national socialist agendas of external war and internal genocide (12 millions). Locally, the progressive-liberal-socialists in the US democrat party promote those 57,000,000 US citizens killed since 1973 as their proudest achievement and most holy rite.
I do understand that you (personally) as a libertarian in the actual sense of the term – do not believe that political socialism IS the party making the roots of communism, national socialism, tribal dictatorships in Africa, and religious theocracies through the Muslim world. ALL socialist societies oppose democracy and freedom as the threat they are to enslavement and government dictates.
Its just that the UK’s socialism and the US’s democratic party are not quite as far: They are only at the Bread and Circus” stage now, because the former workers and capitalists still working can withstand the socialist parasites within. For now. For a little while.
Ooops!
I have replied to this ludicrous twaddle but it has not posted in the right place in this nested system. Assuming it comes out of moderation, my reply to RACookPE1978 is immediately above his nonsense.
Richard
There are lots of fools out there for anyone who wishes to whip up a fools parade. FOX reports 310,000 marchers turned out and it looks to me like an awful lot of people participated. Do the math. I don’t know what the truth of the matter actually is, but I do know that an “inconvenient truth” does not justify a lie and a lie sullies the liar and his cause.
Too many people in this country (the good old USA) are useful idiots I guess.
Greens: Climate march shatters record
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/peoples-climate-march-nyc-111177.html#ixzz3DztlwORR
That’s 267 people per group. 1500 climate related orgs? Hardly.
“Organizers initially estimated that the march had drawn 310,000 people, ”
In another words, about 3,100 people. Knowing it was “Organizers” who did the estimating and factoring in these are AGW Alarmists who are experts at Cherry Picking and Biasing.
They just used the same multiple that they apply to the temperature data.
Is the 400,000 figure the “adjusted” estimate 😉
Of course, let’s just accept the count of the organizers of the darn thing. They wouldn’t have any reason to inflate their numbers, nuh-uh. LOL
CFACT is reporting the event is Pro Socialist: “NY “People’s Climate March” is RED, not green”.
“Marc writes, “Socialism was praised and promoted to raucous applause by the hundreds in attendance at the People’s Climate March event on September 20”
Read more here – http://www.cfact.org/2014/09/21/ny-peoples-climate-march-is-red-not-green/#sthash.1MIG6rHQ.dpuf
Robert B, I know that stadium when I see it, even in a thumbnail!
As an aside, although I am not a vegan, I am amused to note the claim that vegan diets are “dangerous” when not supervised. That is true for all diets, actually. Why are so many people sick?
It’s so easy to rationalise how safe the status quo is and how unsafe new ideas are. Cars are “dangerous” too. But I’d rather drive a car than make an animal do my dirty work. Horses ought to be free.
Vicgallus, the extrapolation from 80,000 to 300,000 is done by peer reviewed, established methods. You don’t understand the science. /sarc
Amos, DiCaprio probably genuinely thinks he’s doing some Good. I dare say he’s being taken for a sucker. It is not too difficult to convince somebody that their contribution to a given cause is paramount. Flattery works. It’s how the ‘honey trap’ works. Every time… 😉
Question for all those “People’s Climate March”ers:
Did you paid Marchers hold your breaths? Being Obama & EPA have declared CO2 is Hazardous Pollutant.
CO2, a Hazardous Pollutant — ya just can’t fix stupids…
I was invited to the Montreal one because I own a Nissan Leaf electric car… They wanted to open the march with electric cars.
Here’s the message I received
http://www.aveq.ca/actualiteacutes/laveq-est-fiere-de-parrainer-la-marche-mondiale-pour-le-climat-montreal
I did not leased a Leaf because I believe this crap… only to save a 100$ / month!
This article is a pathetic beat up. There were a few folks paid to hand out flyers. No paid marchers. Yawn
Sadly, I agree with you.
It is possible for people to be wrong about something but earnest and idealistic.
A lot of commenters on this article refuse to accept that people who have a different view to their own may not be evil.
Best not underestimate 350.org and its cohorts, who have demonstrated today their ability to mobilize large numbers of disparate groups for “ecosocialist” action.
Ludicrous slogans like No More Climate Change illustrate how easy it is to manipulate well-meaning, but less-than-astute zealots, who are further motivated by the chance to wear the team colors of those saving Planet Earth. The mantle of self-righteousness is a ready fit.
Bear in mind that closely guarded fact about the United States that shocked President Dwight D. Eisenhower when divulged to him by one of his advisers back in the mid 50s:
Fully half the American population has a below-average IQ.
This is a handsome typeface, but the (tail on the) capital Q looks like it was done by an over-caffeinated intern while the real typographers were out to lunch.
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The statement that fully half of the population has a below average IQ. would mean that no one actually had average IQ., when actually more people have average IQ. than any other particular IQ.
Yes, this is correct. But the story goes that the misstated stat really upset Ike. Some apparently would draw a vertical line through the peak of the bell shaped curve at its midpoint and declare that those to the left of the line are below average, while those to its right are above-average. More realistically, average includes a short range of scores, perhaps 10 to 30 points. If the range is 10, that would include just over 1/3 the population who score between 96 and 105, with about 30% below that, and c35% above.
“No More Climate Change ” LOL!
Lets be concise and make it, “No More Change!”
Yes, thats it, lets organize a march for “No More Change!”. I bet we can get get at least 10,000 people to attend.
I noticed the flag some of the ‘protestors’ were carrying: “climate change is the symptom, capitalism is the disease, socialism is the answer.” I would prefer they keep their answer to themselves. As of the late ’80’s (the latest that I have figures for) the sub-genre of Socialism known as communism was responsible for over one hundred million deaths.
Richard Patton
I do wish that people would stay real in this thread.
Communism is NOT a “sub-genre of Socialism” and the two political philosophies are diametrically opposed: indeed, communist countries have attempted to systematically exterminate socialists.
Richard
richardscourtney on September 22, 2014 at 1:46 am
@richard Patton
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Richard,
To resolve the difference of the socialist opinions of yours versus those with critical different opinions, here is a suggestion.
I suggest we trace the history of ideas on both socialism and communism wrt to their root concept of collectivism. I suggest there will be a result where total socialism is ideologically synonymous with communism and further that socialism will necessarily creep from partial to total socialism by the nature of collectivism’s means to an end.
I think the search starts in the late dark ages and/or early medieval age.
John
John Whitman
The earliest attempt at communism of which I am aware is recorded in the Biblical Book of Acts.
Socialism was invented by the Toll Puddle Martyrs centuries after the Middle Ages. Hence, your suggestion is impossible.
Richard
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richardscourtney,
A goal to have clear formulation is achievable.
For a review of the history of ideas in our area of interest, then agreed to definitions is a good place to start. I suggest these:
government – a citizen or a body of citizens who have achieved, by whatever means, the physical power to enforce or encourage certain kinds of human action in some citizens and prevent other kinds of human action in some citizens.
collectivism – a moral system (ethics) based on the principle that the greatest values in a society are determined by benefits of groups of citizens; collectivism bridges from ethics to politics by placing individual resources and the individual lives themselves into a subservient role to groups in government action.
socialism – a form of government based in principle on implementation of collectivism where the level of implementation can range from significant to total.
communism – a form of government based on total implementation of collectivism to every conceivable aspect of human life.
I suggest the start of our study of the history of ideas on socialism and communism to be in the post deep Dark Age era in Europe. It is the causes of the development of ideas that lead to the renaissance (of classical knowledge) that contains the practical cause of our modern Western civilization. Therefore I suggest starting our study with the very last part of the Dark Age and the very earliest part of the Medieval Age. Other start points could be used.
So, based on the above I ask to consider whether any of these were any combination of collectivism, socialism or communism: (1) the very real total society power (government) of the Catholic Church in the late Dark Age; (2) Medieval Feudal government in early Medieval Age; (3) the Byzantine Orthodox government that reigned during the Western European late Dark Age to early Medieval Age; (4) vestiges of tribal government near the eastern borders of Eastern Europe or in North Africa or in the Near East.
We can possibly go from any occurrence of any combination of collectivism, socialism there to looking in the renaissance, then to looking in the enlightenment, then to looking in the reformation then on to looking in the last several hundred years.
John
I continue to ask the marchers to turn off their electricity and stop driving. That is what they are marching for. Sad to learn that they don’t know they can do that.
Wall Street Journal describes the organized ‘climate march in New York City’ as including ‘tens of thousands’ of marchers. A very long way from hundreds of thousands.
The organizers claim that worldwide several hundred thousand people marched in support.
Too [many] experts in and around New York City are able to accurately gauge crowd sizes for any marcher overstatement to long survive.
Perhaps the organizers do not expect anyone will try and ‘check’ the global claim for march participants?
Since when does anybody actually have to march before participating in a free food and drink block party.
I wonder if the block party served meat free hot dogs and burgers? If so, I expect the block party fizzled and lost participants fast.
It is late at night and I am shutting down, so I have jumped over many postings and hope that I am not duplicating another posting.
I have listened to CBC radio news at 1900, 2200, 2300 and 0100 tonight and the first item each time has been a lengthy presentation of the climate march, particularly the one in NYC. During the 0100 news, and maybe some others, “climate change” was particularly slanted toward unusual weather. Also, the genuine pollution of Chinese air was dragged into the discussion as being related to “climate change”. The cure to all these problems was (let’s hear the chorus) “reduction of greenhouse gases”.
As Goethe said, “There is nothing so frightening as ignorance in action.”
Ian M
Re the last picture in your post.
“End Capitalisim before it ends us”:
“Climate Change is the Symptom – Capitalisim is the disease – Socialism is the Answer”
I am horrified!
I never thought I would see the day when there is a socialist/communist march in AMERICA!
What planet are these people on and how has this foolishness got into the population?
Don’t they teach in American schools what happened in Russia with the collectivization of the Kulaks and the situation in China in the early 60’s when the food ran out.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
rogerthesurf
September 21, 2014 at 10:26 pm
Re the last picture in your post.
“End Capitalisim before it ends us”:
“Climate Change is the Symptom – Capitalisim is the disease – Socialism is the Answer”
__________________________
They didn’t say socialism is the correct answer.
THAT is a great comment.
The New York Times, of course, went all gaga over the Climate March….
I tried twice to post some interesting empirical evidence in the comment section of NYT’s article, but the NYT gatekeepers deleted them…
I guess the NYT doesn’t want their readers confused by the evidence as facts are such stubborn things…
Well, the AVAAZ Climate marchers have admitted that they want socialism.
That’s a first step for them to come out of the closet.
We knew all along.
But great that they admit it.
Could they please name their Beloved Leader so that we can enter into negotiations?
Maybe the AVAAZ Socialist People can trade their Step By Step Guides To Becoming A Vegan for the solar panels we make so that they can have electricity.
During the daytime.
The day after the marches, there seems to be a stunned silence hanging over the Village. A realization that, despite using the whole of yesterday on defamation and talking numbers down, it was quite a show. It’s now we really appreciate the security of our little isolated community. We all need a good warm dose of mutual affirmation.
Hey, just ask Leo Di Caprio, he’ll give you one of his Carribean Islands so you can create your Global Warming Socialism as a demonstration for us blockheads to follow; we’ll wait for your first 5 year plan.
Politics not my bag, Mann 😉
RFK Jr. doesn’t feel he needs to lead by example on carbon, because Koch Brothers!!!
Why does he sound like Katherine Hepburn on her deathbed?
Follow the money…
I suppose that abominable Mann must have been doing the maths. And they are as correct as his hokey pokey schtick. Give him an Ig-Nobel price.
Obama community organizing at work.