'Paid volunteers' for the NYC climate march

People send me stuff. Below is an image from New York City of the 350.org “climate march” from their website today.  It’s the usual horde of useful idiots, holding up signs suggesting they are being gassed and that “climate chaos” is afoot.

climate_marchers_NYCIt is mostly an emotional response to a non-issue.

I was amused when WUWT reader Arvind sent this screen cap of an ad that appeared on Craigslist. One wonders how many of these marchers have similar situations where they are there on pay rather than on their own volition. Here’s the ad:

paid_volunteers

Source: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/evg/4669216880.html

That movie was such a bomb, they are reduced to “paid volunteers” handing out fliers on street corners at $50 each. Heh.

UPDATE: I wonder if these people got paid:

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cnxtim
September 21, 2014 8:12 am

“RentACrowd”

Reply to  cnxtim
September 21, 2014 1:01 pm

Here are the ones who weren’t paid anything:
http://media.bonnint.net/slc/24/2489/248974.jpg

Streetcred
Reply to  dbstealey
September 21, 2014 2:50 pm

Is that the totality of the ‘protest’? … looks pretty pathetic given population of NY.

E.M.Smith
Editor
Reply to  dbstealey
September 21, 2014 4:38 pm

Counting a couple of grids and estimating from that I get between 500 and 800 people. Now subtract media and security and paid attendance and observers from the other side and folks just walking by to work and…. I make it about 200 to 400 really protesting.
Must be why the news had zero coverage.

Reply to  dbstealey
September 22, 2014 6:41 am

Anything but Socialism – smaller limited government, less control – sounds good? Hold on… The old school conservative principal of taking personal responsibility does not work with the conservative greed of today. Take personal responsibility – recycle, boycott unsustainable business, boycott Chinese goods and stop listening to the extreme right and left. Think for yourselves people.

Jeremy
Reply to  cnxtim
September 21, 2014 7:07 pm

Maybe Evan Jones took the job and finally found honest work for himself!

Reply to  Jeremy
September 21, 2014 7:25 pm

Jeremy,
What’s your problem with Evan? I don’t even see him mentioned before your comment.

Jeremy
Reply to  Jeremy
September 23, 2014 6:20 pm

I have no problem with the Lad, Poster child of the lukewarmist movement and struggling unpaid lost soul.

Apollo
Reply to  cnxtim
September 21, 2014 11:43 pm

All that solar energy money must be pouring in yeeeesh! Wasn’t sun worship abolished centuries ago.

cnxtim
September 21, 2014 8:16 am

$50 Expensive! All they ever need to recruit is a wheatgrass smoothie voucher + free bottle of water to carry.

JimS
September 21, 2014 8:16 am

I feel like organizing a protest against our Toronto winters, but I wouldn’t have to pay anyone to hand out leaflets for such an event. I could get real volunteers to do it.

Editor
Reply to  JimS
September 21, 2014 8:23 am

The volunteers could set up a burn barrel and offer immediate, but brief, relief.

MrBungled
Reply to  JimS
September 21, 2014 8:41 am

I feel like organizing a protest against protests….pfft

R. Shearer
September 21, 2014 8:18 am

And carbon taxes will be completely “voluntary” too.

Eustace Cranch
September 21, 2014 8:19 am

How many in that crowd could tell you the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Or extract the roots of a quadratic equation? What percentage would you guess?

DirkH
Reply to  Eustace Cranch
September 21, 2014 9:22 am

Knowledge of thermodynamics selects against being a warmist foot soldier; so we can simply improve the public approval of climate science by never teaching them.

Eustace Cranch
Reply to  Eustace Cranch
September 21, 2014 9:34 am

BTW this comment was in moderation for quite a while. I’m mystified.

Reply to  Eustace Cranch
September 21, 2014 12:01 pm

2xx L*w of th*rm*d*n*m*cs is a forbidden word at WUWT, too many flying dragons at stake…

Reply to  Eustace Cranch
September 21, 2014 12:07 pm

Happens to me occasionally. Glitch, I suspect.

Jeff Kreiley
September 21, 2014 8:19 am

That’s a pretty diverse group of people there, ha ha. We’re told that minorities will be hit hardest by climate change but I guess they stayed home rather than mingle with young elitist types with nothing better to do.

David
Reply to  Jeff Kreiley
September 21, 2014 10:28 am

The minorities will be hit hardest when energy and food will sky rocket if these protesters get their wish

AndyZ
Reply to  Jeff Kreiley
September 21, 2014 10:39 am

My wife sent me a picture of it this morning and I did see a few signs for south-asian americans demanding climate justice. She said the traffic is all messed up around there now as well, which is one more reason to find them annoying.

Reply to  Jeff Kreiley
September 21, 2014 2:02 pm

Yes, a pretty diverse bunch:comment image
[From here]

Steamboat McGoo
Reply to  dbstealey
September 21, 2014 4:51 pm

I don’t know where he’s headed, but I’m glad he said goodbye.

Klaas de Waal
Reply to  dbstealey
September 22, 2014 6:06 am

He’s going home because nobody’s takes him seriously. They spoiled it for him. Didn’t even get his 50 bucks.

cd
Reply to  dbstealey
September 22, 2014 7:27 am

…he obviously thinks he’s from another world.

Reply to  Jeff Kreiley
September 21, 2014 5:19 pm

We’re told that minorities will be hit hardest by climate change but I guess they stayed home rather than mingle

They were probably at work at their second or third job, or saving the subway money for Monday morning.

markx
September 21, 2014 8:26 am

It will be interesting to see how many on the march are clutching a great bunch of flyers in the hand…..

highflight56433
Reply to  markx
September 21, 2014 8:36 am

…and in their demonstrated hypocrisy, how much garbage they leave behind.

September 21, 2014 8:29 am

The pic reminds me only that it is, after all, about the time of the year where pagans celebrate then NH autumnal equinox in grotesque costumes. N’est ce pas?
John

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  John Whitman
September 21, 2014 8:33 am

Oh, when 100,000’s simultaneously gather in hundreds of large government stadiums all across the country to celebrate government-sanctioned, government-regulated football “games” in closely organized yells and motions and mystical chants? /sarcasm.

Katherine
Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 21, 2014 5:52 pm

John said grotesque costumes, so what came to mind were all those soccer fans in Europe sporting face paint in team colors and such.
http://linapps.s3.amazonaws.com/linapps/photomojo/lintvnews.com/photos/2012/06/g3116-euro-2012-faces-of-the-fans/62778-a-dutch-soccer-fan-c86d7.jpg

Klaas de Waal
Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 22, 2014 6:14 am

Blame the Dutch for climate change (if any). If sea levels start to rise, they’ll be the ones making a lot of money 😉

Reply to  John Whitman
September 21, 2014 8:53 am

RACookPE1978 on September 21, 2014 at 8:33 am
– – – – – – – –
RACookPE1978,
: ) . . . .
Rah, Rah, Rah, Siss Boom Bah . . . . . Go Team GO!!!
Football (American style) may indeed be pagan ritual. If so, then I love pagan ritual.
John

September 21, 2014 8:30 am

And I thought they said Big Oil had all the money?
Of course by “Progressive Standards” this is a grassroots spontaneous demonstration, it is the will of the people, even if they had to promise them Obama Bucks to turn them out.
And the Press wonder why I call them Presstitutes.
Such blatant dishonesty cannot go unrewarded.

SanityP
September 21, 2014 8:32 am

There must be at least hundred people there.

BillyV
Reply to  SanityP
September 21, 2014 9:50 am

No matter what, they will claim “success” and 125,000 people showed up in support.

Reply to  SanityP
September 21, 2014 10:01 am

I’m sure they all walked or bicycled or skateboarded there. They will pick up all their litter when they leave. NOT.

JimS
September 21, 2014 8:36 am

Protesting climate change is about as sensible as protesting sunburns.

Joe Public
Reply to  JimS
September 21, 2014 9:18 am

Protesting climate change is about as sensible as protesting frostbite is more-apt..

RACookPE1978
Editor
September 21, 2014 8:37 am

I wonder what they would do without power, water, food, light, plastic and medicines for the next two weeks – being isolated down in that concrete jungle of lower Manhattan for two weeks surrounded in the dark by seven million fellow hungry, thirsty scared illiterate un-caring selfish primates?

Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 21, 2014 7:28 pm

RACookPE1978,
You mean all the good things in life made possible by fossil fuels? Good question.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 21, 2014 9:19 pm

By Tuesday Nov 6 …

UPDATE: On Tuesday afternoon the LIPA outage map for the Rockaway peninsula was temporarily changed, from 0 to 500. A press release also said that the utility is prioritizing work on the Peninsula, and that the number of LIPA personnel working to restore power in the Rockways will increase “as feasible.” As of 5:45 p.m., the number was back to 0.

By the way, you have presented no evidence ANY of them were from the Rockaway (Long Island NY) area damaged by storm Sandy. It is mere conjecture on your part. Power to LI, NJ, NYC and areas north were restored much quicker than that, recovery was made possible ONLY by fossil and nuclear fuels, and the rest of the national economy that these paid cretins are working to destroy.

September 21, 2014 8:50 am

Funny how they accuse us all of being a certain “demographic”.

Gunga Din
Reply to  David Ball
September 21, 2014 3:07 pm

The demons are in the graphic.
(Think Hockey Stick.)

September 21, 2014 8:51 am

That’s a staging area for one group.

Joe Public
Reply to  Robertvd
September 21, 2014 9:19 am

So do us English.

Reply to  Robertvd
September 21, 2014 10:19 am

These Catalan folks are marching for something real, independence. They’re not paid 50 dollars per person. I’m sure this “climate march hare” thing will not be so grand.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Robertvd
September 21, 2014 3:06 pm

Robert, see this:
The Catalonians have
an issue that actually draws a crowd .

Figaro
Reply to  Robertvd
September 21, 2014 7:13 pm

Impressive! What does the remaining 75% of the populatIon that did NOT show up say? Just saying…

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Figaro
September 21, 2014 9:21 pm

97% in NY ignored the problems these paid protesters are trying to create. Does that mean the 3% should be listened to?

September 21, 2014 8:55 am

Forgive me if I misunderstood what the term “volunteers” means. The $50 cancels out the “volunteer”, doesn’t it?

DirkH
Reply to  David Ball
September 21, 2014 9:24 am

“A person who freely enrols for military service rather than being conscripted, ”
Soldiers do get paid.

Reply to  David Ball
September 21, 2014 10:53 am

Enlist

artwest
Reply to  David Ball
September 21, 2014 11:08 am

In a non-military setting I would have thought everyone would take “volunteer” to mean “unpaid”.

beng
Reply to  David Ball
September 21, 2014 9:17 am

DoubleSpeak.

mpainter
Reply to  David Ball
September 21, 2014 9:32 am

They have volunteered to take the $50.

Reply to  mpainter
September 21, 2014 10:20 am

You beat me to it.

John West
Reply to  David Ball
September 21, 2014 11:23 am

They’re all from Tennessee.

September 21, 2014 8:55 am

You can watch it live here. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/21/peoples-climate-march-live_n_5855906.html Woman from NYC just saying that it’s the buildings in Manhattan that produce the most emissions.

SanityP
Reply to  policycritic
September 21, 2014 9:02 am

LOL, hilarious.

DirkH
Reply to  SanityP
September 21, 2014 9:26 am

She heard how concrete production is responsible for a lot of CO2 emissions, which is a fact. Somebody should tell her about the huge concrete foundations of windmills.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  policycritic
September 21, 2014 10:00 am

Socialist, anti- Capitalist rhetoric… nonsensical buzzphrases, incoherent rants, I’ve seen enough.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Alan Robertson
September 21, 2014 12:37 pm

Many of the Occupy Wall Street crowd were also paid.
(I thought only capitalists had all the money.)

Go Home
September 21, 2014 8:56 am

Just recycled Occupy Wall Street trash.

Reply to  Go Home
September 21, 2014 12:38 pm

Go Home,
That’s what it looks like. Can you imagine the mindset of people who beg to be taxed more??
Apparently they hate Canada, too.

michael hart
Reply to  dbstealey
September 21, 2014 3:30 pm

By the power of greyskull…. 🙂

Rhoda R
Reply to  dbstealey
September 21, 2014 6:50 pm

dbstealey: THEY aren’t begging to be taxed more – they are begging for YOU to be taxed more. Rent-a-crowd types don’t pay taxes and expect to get subsidies for their utility costs.

Reply to  dbstealey
September 21, 2014 7:31 pm

Rhoda,
I’m afraid you are 100% correct.

September 21, 2014 8:58 am

First I went to Wall Street Journal and clicked on the NYC edition to see just what news this march is actually generating.
Front and center is an article about someone using the Central Park Ice Rink for a horse show. There were no sub headlines or headlines for the climate march; well, maybe later.
I then hit the march’s website and turned on the TV. Turns out one of those so called honest PBS news channels is completely dedicated to the climate march.
The climate march’s website required following inks to get a controlled show and tell view of the march. Photos were arranged in a slideshow while the filmed broadcast has not officially started. what photos and video slices I saw were poorly focused, close shots that didn’t allow a long distance view.
Oddly or not, the PBS broadcast was just as bad.
Perhaps switching to traffic cams would give a better idea?
The marchers are in loose disorganized groups often stretched across the road; lots and lot of empty space between marchers and groups.
So far it looks like there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands; the march has a long way to go to reach ‘hundreds of thousands’.
Considering that $1 million dollars which is chump change to CAGW private funders buys 20,000 marchers at $50 each, this march is just as much of a bust as the whole MSM and politics professional propaganda silliness.
What would be interesting is watching for just how many of the troll types show up online while they should be marching in support of their ’cause’. Troll presence online during marching hours implies motivational differences from the CAGW faithful.

Gregory
September 21, 2014 9:03 am

Track the money back and you will find it came from a government grant from our pockets.

Brent Hargreaves
Reply to  Gregory
September 21, 2014 10:04 am

Aye, there’s the rub. Margaret Thatcher famously said that Socialism works fine until it runs out of other people’s money. How DID the western democracies allow the diversion of public funds into political movements whose whole agenda is antidevelopment?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Brent Hargreaves
September 21, 2014 10:34 am

It’s not How, it’s Why. And we all know the why is to buy votes.

Jbird
September 21, 2014 9:09 am

This is a common tactic that most people aren’t aware of. “Volunteers” are recruited from rail yards, under bridges, city parks and college campuses, to name a few places. Most don’t look like the happy, healthy, middle class types featured in the picture above. Many are homeless. They’re offered free meals, places to stay for a few days and the opportunity to visit another city or state in exchange for appearing at a rally and carrying a sign.
I’ll never forget the time I was staying in a hotel in Portland, Oregon just down the street from another hotel where George Bush (43) was staying during a brief visit. Apparently, some political group decided to stage a protest demonstration in front of Bush’s hotel. I saw all these buses pulling up at the intersection by my hotel and unloading people carrying signs. Bus, after bus, after bus stopped and dropped off people who walked up the street toward Bush’s hotel. It went on like that for half an hour. Most of the people getting off the buses looked like the homeless I’d seen in my own hometown sleeping under bridges and in parks or panhandling on the street. Later that evening I walked up the street to the “protest” and talked to a few of the people who confirmed for me that they had been given free bus rides and meal vouchers. They expected to be paid a few bucks when the rally was over and returned “home.” Most of the one’s I talked to didn’t really know why they were there and did’t care. That was an eye opener for me.

phlogiston
September 21, 2014 9:09 am

I wonder what slice the IRS will take out of that 50 dollars? Or maybe they will give them a pass since they’re not linked to Republicans.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  phlogiston
September 21, 2014 10:35 am

None. You can pay anyone up to $600 per year without having to file a 1099.

phlogiston
Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 21, 2014 11:24 am

Thanks – good to know

James the Elder
Reply to  phlogiston
September 21, 2014 4:17 pm

$50 a day is classified as “Casual Labor”; no reporting.

LogosWrench
September 21, 2014 9:10 am

How many CO2 absorbing trees died to make those fliers? They need the $50.00 like the occupy people they don’t have be at work tomorrow.

john
September 21, 2014 9:14 am

Looks like a rave to me.

Dave in Canmore
September 21, 2014 9:16 am

Look at those smiling, happy faces in that crowd! Are they really happy and fully believing that urgent action is required or we are doomed? Do they really look like people who are concerned about their future? Do they look mad that others are destroying their earth? Where is their frustration over society’s lack of action?
I do not see faces of concern, I see people with nothing better to do on a feel-good afternoon joyride.
The faces tell you everything.

Reply to  Dave in Canmore
September 21, 2014 10:13 am

Except for the signs, it looks like a rock concert. I can almost smell the wacky tabacky.

Streetcred
Reply to  Dave in Canmore
September 21, 2014 2:54 pm

Full of dope.

latecommer2014
Reply to  Dave in Canmore
September 21, 2014 6:43 pm

I see faces of the terminally ignorant. They know nothing, they mean nothing, and who gives a damn what they say. They don’t have the ability to understand that capitalism and fosile fuels gave them the leisure to make fools of themselves.

roaldjlarsen
September 21, 2014 9:18 am

Doesn’t that say it all, truly The Fools Walk!
http://roaldjlarsen.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/one-graph-tells-the-whole-story/
Roald J. Larsen
#Roaldjlarsen #Climatefraud #Climatehoax #Globalwarmingswindle

Joe Public
September 21, 2014 9:20 am

Presumably, tax is collected on all those earnings?

tgasloli
Reply to  Joe Public
September 21, 2014 9:29 am

Nah, mommy and daddy are still claiming them as dependents.

Sean
September 21, 2014 9:22 am

The climate cult and their paid acolytes in the media seem quite active today.

R. Shearer
September 21, 2014 9:23 am

Good thing slip on shoes were invented, otherwise those people would be tripping all over themselves.

noaaprogrammer
September 21, 2014 9:27 am

It is obvious in the picture that the photograph was taken on cue: “All right everyone, hands in the air. Let’s show how the antiperspirant deodorant is working for global warming.”

DirkH
September 21, 2014 9:33 am

Centrally designed color scheme for the posters and background. Look handwritten or handsprayed, probably done by a sweatshop company workers collective.

Leon Brozyna
September 21, 2014 9:35 am

Such a special moment in saving the planet … quick, let’s have a group hug …
http://www.openhandweb.org/files/openhand/images/Group%20hug.jpg
Hey … what happened to my wallet? … who’s got my wallet? …

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
September 21, 2014 10:38 am

You have to admit, that’s some powerful green vegetation. Thank CO2 for it!

James the Elder
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
September 21, 2014 4:52 pm

You are right; no sign of a wallet.

Steamboat McGoo
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
September 21, 2014 5:02 pm

“To amuse the growing throng of idiots, Bert once again regurgitated his entire alimentary canal.”

September 21, 2014 9:41 am

The useful idiots are the ones who didn’t get cash in advance.

nutso fasst
September 21, 2014 9:54 am

I sincerely hope there were at least a few people in the midst of this march carrying signs or wearing T-shirts that read “March of the Morons” and “← I’m with Stupid →”.
(Ah, too late I sense a business opportunity.)

Duke C.
September 21, 2014 10:05 am

Here’s a traffic cam view- south end of Central Park:
http://nyctmc.org/google_popup.php?cid=473

Reply to  Duke C.
September 21, 2014 11:05 am

At 2:00 pm, it is an impressive crowd. Probably 2-5-10 people per second, avg. 300/min. would be 18,000/hr at that rate. Saw one float.

artwest
Reply to  Duke C.
September 21, 2014 11:13 am

When those people are shot head on, foreshortened with a telephoto lens and carefully cropped. before being published on the front page of The Guardian they will look like millions!

Reply to  Duke C.
September 21, 2014 12:08 pm

3:02 – 3:05 pm Probably still 2-4-10 people/sec. Initially I thought 1-2-4, but at 3:04 a big clump came by.

Walt Allensworth
September 21, 2014 10:06 am

I know for a fact that this event was attended by a government employee who makes a very fine living being paid by our leftist government to construct and promote global warming alarmism.
The event is nothing more that shameless political promotion. It’s all part of the socialist plan.

Reply to  Walt Allensworth
September 21, 2014 2:19 pm

What “socialist plan”?

James the Elder
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 21, 2014 5:18 pm

The plan that now has the US in 18th ranking for economic freedom, lower even than Denmark. 49% of the population dependent on some form of government payout (my Social Security included) and striving for 51%. A ceaseless flood of immigrants across an open southern border, but we have those damnable Canucks under control; no free pass there, by God. Unemployment is said to be 6.1%, but when 92,000,000 working age Americans are unemployed (early retirees and students included), you do the math. We have 146,500,000 employed, down from 153,750,000 in 2000. Of those, 116,000,000 are paying income taxes (me too), and a coincidental 116,000,000 are privately employed (again, me too).
36% producing for the socialist dream American style, cannot survive.

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 22, 2014 1:25 am

James the Elder
Thankyou, that is clear.
The supposed “socialist plan” is very similar to that other right-wing assertion known as the “Jewish conspiracy”, and it is similarly real.
We do have real problems to address. For example, we need to defend against the ‘global warming scare’, we need to oppose Agenda21, we need to etc.. But imaginary plans, plots and conspiracies distract from the real threats, and that is the usual reason they are asserted.
Richard

cargosquid
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 25, 2014 4:39 pm

“The supposed “socialist plan” is very similar to that other right-wing assertion known as the “Jewish conspiracy”, and it is similarly real.”
That would be the LEFT wing assertion ….. Nazi types are socialists.

September 21, 2014 10:09 am

Not by myself surely, but a phrase has been coined for this. A fake grass-roots protest is called “astro-turfing”. When you’re paying protesters, it’s astroturfing.

SAMURAI
September 21, 2014 10:09 am

I love all the leftist signage: “Capitalism Means Crisis & Climate Chaos” (oh, how scary)….
I also noticed many of the signs were printed and made to look hand painted to give the rent-a-mob “useful idiot” a grassroots vibe….
I also noticed a lot of orange used in signage, which is a traditional leftist color.
BTW, I’m still hacked off by the MSM (namely the New York Times, CNN, NBC & ABC) for purposefully switching the Republican Party color to Red from the 2000 elections, just as a cheap leftistist ploy to hide the Democrat’s rapid move to socialism at the time….
Since the Republican Party’s founding in the mid 19th century, blue was their traditional color… Leftists are a such a deceitful and manipulative lot….. If they were honest, Democrats should embrace the color red and change their party name to the Socialist Party—gee, I wonder why they don’t do that….. (Sarc/off)….

Reply to  SAMURAI
September 21, 2014 2:19 pm

Orange is the colour of the Texas University Horned Cattle, I believe. Communists use red. However, old Soviet Art posters did use orange. The relationship between this Texas university and Communists is pointed out by their joint enemies known as the GO AGGIES!

SAMURAI
Reply to  Fernando Leanme
September 21, 2014 10:44 pm

Fernando– Yes, red is the main color used to denote leftism, but orange is also a commonly used color in many countries.
Yes, I can imagine associating orange with communism/socialism may not be that popular in Austin Texas, however,…… Austin is the most left-leaning district in the entire state of Texas…, I’m just sayin’…
Thankfully, Texas is still THE most conservative state in all of the US…. Texas also has one of the strongest economies in the US…
Gee…. I wonder if there is a causal relationship…

Doug Proctor
September 21, 2014 10:16 am

This is straight-out Orwell’s Newspeak: “paid volunteers”, a total corruption of language to give an image of one thing while it is it’s opposite.
It’s not black if I say it is basaltic white.

Bill W
September 21, 2014 10:22 am

Do you think the organizers of the 38th Annual Columbus Avenue Street Fair were happy or unhappy with an invasion of thousands of bused-in protesters down the street from their event?

H.R.
Reply to  Bill W
September 21, 2014 10:59 am

Well, it seems many of the protesters will have $50 bucks to spend. Then there are 500-some bus drivers that have some time to kill and will need a bit of lunch while waiting for their load of protesters to finish up. It just might be a win for the Street Fair vendors.

John Boles
September 21, 2014 10:34 am

Watching the live feed from the PCM website, some folks flew in from Ireland, other countries too, oh the hypocrisy to fly a jet to this event, to take a diesel bus to this event, to drive a car to this event!!

Jeff Norman
September 21, 2014 10:34 am

THOUSANDS ATTEND the Toronto Climate Action March.
Okay, maybe 300 with some stragglers coming in when I left. I have pictures of the “crowd”. I cannot wait to see how the media reports it.

CrossBorder
Reply to  Jeff Norman
September 21, 2014 10:51 am

Can’t wait to see the pictures.
I’ve told this story before, but my father ran an errand on his lunch hour, crossing ahead of “thousands of anti-Vietnam-war protesters” and crossing back behind them. Had the march been as big as claimed, he should have been hours late getting back to work. Ha.

u.k.(us)
September 21, 2014 10:37 am

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
Why so many smiling faces ?

H.R.
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 21, 2014 2:43 pm

“Why so many smiling faces ?”
If the march were held in Colorado, I could explain it, though they’d need to offer a lot more than $50 just to offset the munchies required by the paid volunteers.

September 21, 2014 10:41 am

Any wide angle shots of these demos?
Looks like a total non-event to me. They have demonstrated how little interest there is.
Paris 8,000. Pathetic.

AndyZ
Reply to  climategrog
September 21, 2014 10:59 am

Some of the new photos show a pretty large group – but no one is saying how many (except 100k were expected, so thats the number they are sticking with).

David Harrington
Reply to  climategrog
September 21, 2014 11:39 am

Looked like about 200 or so in Edinburgh today

September 21, 2014 10:48 am

Given that they are only offering fifty dollars, my guess is that the ad is targeted at people who were already planning to go on the march. So it isn’t really a case of creating a bogus crowd.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  David Friedman
September 21, 2014 11:56 am

So you make a guess, and state your case based on that guess…
You have the makings of a “climate scientist”.

u.k.(us)
September 21, 2014 11:04 am

When you smile for the camera……

Frank K.
September 21, 2014 11:05 am

I for one and VERY happy to see these people show up just in time for the November election season! Just remember, if you want these left wing, extremist progressives to take over, then vote Democrat. Maybe someone should make a commercial…

sabretruthtiger
September 21, 2014 11:17 am

Striking similarities to the hippie idiots on top of the Empire State building welcoming the aliens right before they got destroyed.

September 21, 2014 11:18 am

This tactic was extensively used by Hugo Chavez, till it stopped working and the money got scarce. Then they discovered plastic bullets were cheaper.
And I’m guessing very few will see their $50. Pity the pinheads.

jaypan
September 21, 2014 11:22 am

If I were the evil fossil industry, I would stop delivering for a week or two, just to show those clowns how life feels without it.

Jim Francisco
Reply to  jaypan
September 21, 2014 6:15 pm

They did in 1974. Nobody liked it.

hunter
September 21, 2014 11:24 am

“Volunteer” can mean paid workers, like soldiers who volunteer. That is reasonable and honorable. “Volunteer” in the context of soliciting paid workers for a propaganda movie promotion is an oxymoron. And since the point of the movie is to increase climate fear, the emphasis should be on “moron”.

TyrannyOfEvilMen
September 21, 2014 11:33 am

Your precious cause, it has no worth
if all of your grass roots are Astroturf! LOL!

Pamela Gray
September 21, 2014 11:35 am

The crowd seemed a mixed bag of other-supported individuals and non-profit groups without a lot of sh*t to do on a Sunday.

David Harrington
September 21, 2014 11:38 am

Visiting Edinburgh for the weekend, their climate march was a very sad affair indeed as we basked in the lovely late September sunshine.

Cam_S
September 21, 2014 11:42 am

I saw bigger crowds at the Apple Store, trying to buy the new iPhone.

Mike H
Reply to  Cam_S
September 21, 2014 7:15 pm

That gave me a good chuckle. Thanks

Resourceguy
September 21, 2014 11:43 am

We need a $15 minimum wage and Labor Department enforcement of it for paid volunteers. I’m sure our dear leaders will get right on it.

Village Idiot
September 21, 2014 11:50 am

Hey! Why don’t us Villagers make our own demonstrations. We’re in the majority. The planet’s cooling. Science is on our side. And we can have really grim expressions to show how happy we are that there is no Climate Crisis

Richard
September 21, 2014 11:53 am
Reply to  Richard
September 21, 2014 2:25 pm

That’s an European Green Party propaganda crowd. The British greens seem to be very radical. I haven’t seen any Green Party types here in Spain. Here the left is either Socialists, communists, or a party financed by the Venezuelan dictatorship known as Podemos.

Richard
Reply to  Fernando Leanme
September 21, 2014 10:30 pm

The signs are in English though

Cowcharge
Reply to  Fernando Leanme
September 22, 2014 6:34 am

So, if there are no climate loons in Spain, who decided to blow so much gov’t money on useless windmills that the economy’s collapsing? Iberdrola’s from Spain, and they’re one of the biggest green scam companies there are in the U.S.

n.n
September 21, 2014 12:04 pm

From one frame to another, the climate is relatively chaotic. Otherwise, it’s the weather which is chaotic. Fortunately, we live in semi-stable state with tolerable variance. It’s the activists who are intolerable.
Make life, not abortion.

Bill Bennett
September 21, 2014 12:11 pm

Why is everyone in that picture Caucasian?

tgmccoy
Reply to  Bill Bennett
September 21, 2014 5:12 pm

Because they don’t want healthy, happy, PROSPEROUS dark skinned people..

JC
September 21, 2014 12:17 pm

With 60 BILLION food animals on the planet, this should be our first step in the Climate March!
http://meatonomics.com/
“As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease.” Worldwatch Institute, “Is Meat Sustainable?”
“If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains… the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund
“A 1% reduction in world-wide meat intake has the same benefit as a three trillion-dollar investment in solar energy.” ~ Chris Mentzel, CEO of Clean Energy
There is one single industry destroying the planet more than any other. But no one wants to talk about it… http://cowspiracy.com
Step by Step Guide: How to Transition to a Vegan Diet http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/step-by-step-guide-how-to-transition-to-vegan-diet/

DirkH
Reply to  JC
September 21, 2014 12:44 pm

I had bacon today. Do you have any idea what you’re missing out on?

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  JC
September 21, 2014 3:36 pm

Did you forget the /sarc tag?

Bobl
Reply to  JC
September 21, 2014 3:55 pm

Idiotic, vegan diets are downright dangerous, they cause critical nutritional deficiencies and particularly fertility problem in women. They predispose you to significant disease potential. Vegan diets should NEVER, EVER be attempted unsupervised, they can kill you.
Your promotion of this is unethical, and Anthony by rights should remove your posting.

Go Home
Reply to  JC
September 21, 2014 5:13 pm

Cow, it’s what’s for dinner.

tgmccoy
Reply to  JC
September 21, 2014 5:16 pm

Paleo type diet saved my life. I went from a 250+ tub of lard to 185 pound, muscular 61 year old,
that now easily passes a 2nd Class (US) Physical for my commercial pilot’s license.
Vegan diets make you a carbohydrate sculpture…

James the Elder
Reply to  tgmccoy
September 21, 2014 5:29 pm

Diet makes muscle? Post it!! I like my veggies the old fashioned way: already processed in my steak. Grill the steak, then remove the fat and give to the dog, it’s good for his coat. As an aside, I do love my peaches. I am an omnivore, after all.

Darren Potter
Reply to  JC
September 21, 2014 6:53 pm

“If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains… the carbon dioxide savings…”
Pointless being**:
1) Global Warming is not occurring. You can’t fool Mother Nature.
2) Global Warming is a Sham. U.N. leaders let cat out of bag, when they called for redistribution of wealth under guise of Carbon Taxes. There is big dollars in promoting Green, along with lucrative funding for AGW Climatologists.
3) Physics shows CO2 can not impact Earth’s Temperatures as claimed by AGW Alarmists. CO2’s effects are logarithmic and declining. There is a limited amount of IR light for CO2 to interact with.
4) Man-made CO2 as GHG is nearly insignificant (0.2%) compared to Water Vapor effects (95%) as GHG.
5) Levels of CO2 have reached 400 ppm, yet Earth’s temperatures have not increased, and instead slightly declined. Hide that Decline Mann, truncate that Hockey Stick.
Suggestion: Next time you decide to Promote PETA / Vegan diet, don’t base your argument on a false hood.
PS: I had BEEF for dinner last night and tonight.
**Apologies to fellow WUWT readers for beating same drums again, but Science and Facts come very slowly to AGWers.

Reply to  JC
September 21, 2014 9:00 pm

Falsehoods and fabrications spread by clueless and very gullible oddballs.
Humans are extremely inefficient at processing plants. Nor are humans capable of easily achieving the required daily nutrients through vegetative means alone.
Ruminants are extremely efficient at transforming plant roughage into healthy dietary components for humans. Fowls are also extremely efficient at insect consumption and rapidly turning that diet into human nourishing meat. Chickens qualify as one of the earliest animals domesticated for human benefit along with various ruminants, porcine (genus Sus) critters, duck, goose and even the guinea pig (Cavia). A domestication process originating separately around the globe thousands of years ago.
Since you disavow the benefits of meat and the entire meat growing environment, perhaps you should sieze your future health and undertake growing all of your own personal dietary requirements? Add to your challenge the realization that a majority of our land surface fails arable status wherefore you should seek ways to overcome this deficiency by bringing previously non arable land into arable status with innovative crops or sustainable farming practices.
Meanwhile, we who are proud to inherit our ancestors wisdom and hard won education will unashamedly consume meat from animals that can happily thrive where humans can not grow crops.

cargosquid
Reply to  JC
September 25, 2014 4:44 pm

Mmmm…. made me hungry…. Think I’ll get seconds on my baked chicken.

September 21, 2014 12:19 pm

Between 1,000 and 2,000 in Brussels for the “climate march”. About 100 times more walking and biking through Brussels on the car-free day today and enjoying the many music groups everywhere and open monuments where several may be visited only today…

September 21, 2014 12:26 pm

On the whole, it looks like a smashing success. A Twitter home run.
Not exactly home grown, however:
From NYT
Nearly 500 buses brought marchers from South Carolina, Kansas, Minnesota and Canada, while a “climate train” transported participants from California.
No speeches were planned, but the march was to end with a block party on 11th Avenue between 34th and 38th Streets.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 12:34 pm

I don’t know if I’d go with 300,000, but it’s a lot of people.comment image

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 2:31 pm

I would say they got between 150 and 200 thousand (I’m familiar because I used to live in Venezuela where protests are very common). That’s a really nice turn out for this type of event. But if they want to pack real political punch they have to win the USA congress. And I understand that’s a very tall job. Otherwise the demonstrators gathered in one place have to number 2 to 3 million.

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 2:34 pm

That has got to be the largest assemblage of deluded humanity I’ve ever seen.
We’ve got our work cut out for us.

Robert B
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 3:16 pm

This is an old picture of a 100 000 seat stadium. The shot shows about 1/3 of the stadium (with the smaller stands) but we’ll call it as 30 000 people. I guess Venezuelans are smaller.
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/04/20/1226333/867993-mcg.jpg

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 4:17 pm

That’s the start of the parade at upper CPW. Looks like all the groups assembling. The upper right corner of the park in this picture is Columbus Circle and you can see the crowd isn’t there yet, you can see street.
This isn’t bigger than the crowd that comes out for Thanksgiving. You can slice that crowd you’re looking at vertically and place them on either side of the road (on the sidewalk and the parkside) and you wouldn’t have nearly enough for Thanksgiving, which would continue all the way to Macy’s.
How many seats in a bus? 500 x ? = ?
Ditto the train cars?
[50 per bus? .mod]

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 4:39 pm

I should be more quantitative since this is a science blog. I counted between 10 -15 people across from the two pictures. Lets give it a generous 20. They are striding out comfortably so there is at least 1 m between rows. So twenty people by the length of Central Park (4000 m) is 80 000. Its hard to see but the protest seems to peter out less than 1 km away. 20 000 gets homogenized to 300 000? Why am I not surprised.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 5:28 pm

vicgallus September 21, 2014 at 4:39 pm
[…] So twenty people by the length of Central Park (4000 m) is 80 000.

I don’t think you can even use the length of Central Park, which extends from 59th to 125th. The staging areas are around 83rd, 82nd, traditionally, because of the 86th cross-park drive for people coming in from Queens and Long island, and a convenient little neighborhood park. So Rasey’s photo at September 21, 2014 at 12:34 pm looks to me to start around there. It’s about 20-25 blocks from 59th.

Darren Potter
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 6:28 pm

Looks like a very very large flock of sheep to me.
/sarc

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 6:29 pm

Any guesses where the shot from the 12:34 pm post was taken?
Here is my Google Earth guess: Based upon rough location and the red brick decoration between windows, I think the a strong candidate is the Kenilworth Building at 40°46’42.4″N 73°58’28.2″W, NW corner of Central Park West and W 75th street. It isn’t a perfect match from street view. The windows don’t look ornate enough in the photo.
Pure Google Earth guess work. I’ve never been closer to Central Park than La Guardia.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 7:29 pm

Another Google Earth location candidate, and probably the best one,
40°47’0.99″N 73°58’14.55″W, NW Corner of W 83rd Street and Central Park West..
I’m not happy with the match of the brick work, but it looks like the photo is 2-3 blocks north of the Natural History museum. The museum is the only place where there are trees on both sides of CPW.
(Reposted to put it in thread)

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 7:58 pm

@policycritic – I thought that it was about 1km long. From what you said, that would be a maximum of 2 km long or 40 000 people. A satellite picture shows that the street is less than 10 m wide. This would make the density of people that I used around that of a packed stadium (an old one) so more likely there were only 15 per metre of length.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 8:12 pm

The Huff said that the circuit was 3.2 km, so a maximum of 65 000. More like less than half of that.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 12:42 pm

Another from pbs.twimg.com I picked up from twitter.comment image:large

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 4:30 pm

So what does the other direction look like, which would tell you the size of it better? Everyone is walking in the street, and it’s six or eight blocks FROM the park. The sidewalk on the right is fairly empty. Usually jam-packed with regular NYC parades.
The kicker is that they didn’t do it during the week. New Yorkers are notorious for getting out on parade days–that means Sundays–and seeing what’s going on, like the Puerto Rican Day parade and Gay Pride Day.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 5:26 pm

Give ’em credit for pulling it off. Whatever they spent will come back five and ten fold from UN action this week.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 5:28 pm

And no Gore-effect kicking in.
The weather appeared to be splendid. No climate disasters.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 21, 2014 7:27 pm

Another Google Earth location candidate, and probably the best one,
40°47’0.99″N 73°58’14.55″W, NW Corner of W 83rd Street and Central Park West..
I’m not happy with the match of the brick work, but it looks like the photo is 2-3 blocks north of the Natural History museum. The museum is the only place where there are trees on both sides of CPW.

rogerthesurf
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
September 22, 2014 10:37 pm

Who pays the bills here? Cui bono?
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

tz
September 21, 2014 12:26 pm

Oxymoron: Paidvolunteer.
But where are the “people of color” in the march? I think they could use the cash just as much as whites.

Gunga Din
September 21, 2014 12:50 pm

Pay people 50 bucks to promote a march to implement policies that will cost them a lot more than 50 bucks if implemented.

Darren Potter
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 21, 2014 6:26 pm

Nah, won’t cost these burdens on society a penny. But it will cost those of us who work for a living, scrimp, save, live with in our means, and pay our Taxes (along with additional Taxes that others should be paying but are not).

DJ
September 21, 2014 1:10 pm

The mainstream media is proclaiming 100,000 protestors …..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/21/climate-march_n_5856836.html

Gunga Din
Reply to  DJ
September 21, 2014 1:40 pm

Even it there were really 100,000 or even 300,000, so what? What is the population of NYC? How many of them actually live in NYC? They hardly add up to “The Million Mom March”. Even that needed a bit of media manipulated multiplication to reach a million. (Maybe they used a computer model?)

Editor
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 21, 2014 2:23 pm

Did you hear about the Million Microbe March? Very sad, someone autoclaved the petri dish the night before the march was to start.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 21, 2014 3:03 pm

Ric, 😎
Was it the autoclave or the “missing heat” that got ’em?

cargosquid
Reply to  Gunga Din
September 25, 2014 4:49 pm

At the last Simon and Garfunkel concert in Central Park, 500,000 people showed up.
Apparently, catastrophic global warming isn’t that much of a concern to the New Yorkers if all they could get for the march was, at most, using THEIR numbers, 300,000.

Reply to  DJ
September 21, 2014 7:44 pm

DJ says:
The mainstream media is proclaiming 100,000 protestors …..
Huffpo is mainstream??
They are a blog. It’s not like they’re the NY/LA Times, or Fox, or CNN.
And huffpo is a far-Left blog. So naturally you’re going to get far-Left propaganda. That’s how it works. If they say 100,000, take it with a big lump of salt.

Resourceguy
September 21, 2014 1:13 pm

Here is the IRS tax information for paid volunteers. And both the Craigslist and protest coverage photos will come in handy for reporting the nonprofits involved and the recipient “employees.”
Remember ACORN?
http://www.irs.gov/Government-Entities/Federal,-State-&-Local-Governments/Issues-for-Firefighters

jaypan
September 21, 2014 1:16 pm

Tried to watch their livestream for a while but when a Mr. McKibben announced a minute of silence for the victims of climate change, I couldn’t stand it any longer.

Rob
September 21, 2014 1:18 pm

Picture of the “types” of people kinda says it all-Lol

Reply to  Rob
September 21, 2014 2:08 pm

Rob, are you saying the alarmist crowd is abnormal?comment image

Amos Mclean
September 21, 2014 2:08 pm

The BBC are claiming “tens of thousands” marched in London – many dressed as animals!
They put the success of the marches down to the organizational power of the social media site Avaaz.
With comments on the main news from Emma Thompson (an actress of sorts) claiming there are 22 million climate refugees, plus from Ban Ki-moon: “This is the planet where our subsequent generations will live. There is no ‘Plan B,’ because we do not have ‘Planet B.'” (??). It all sounds “lurvly”.
But it must be worse than we thought as last week they appointed Leonardo DiCaprio as a UN representative on climate change. (I gather he is an actor of sorts).

Peter N
Reply to  Amos Mclean
September 22, 2014 1:21 am

Amos Mclean – “With comments on the main news from Emma Thompson (an actress of sorts) claiming there are 22 million climate refugees…”
Apparently she also likened the threat of climate change to that of a Martian invasion! I know she was in MIB3, but does she really have the life experience to know that?
However I do agree that the ‘threat’ of climate change is like a Martian invasion in that:
1. There isn’t any threat.
2. It’s not keeping me awake at night.

M Courtney
Reply to  Amos Mclean
September 22, 2014 1:50 am

Emma Thompson (an actress of sorts)

She’s a very good actress. And an Oscar winning screen writer too.
Just because we disagree with her views on climate change doesn’t mean we should be rude about her talents.
That’s just impolite.

tom s
September 21, 2014 2:13 pm

Wow, quite a diverse crowd there. I guess people of color are on to the scam…good for them

High Treason
September 21, 2014 2:39 pm

If they were passionate about the cause, they would not need to paid. Another factor to bear in mind-Conservatives typically do not have time to attend rallies-they are too busy working to pay the taxes to support those with no brains (have to be told how to think.) Thus, they have plenty of time to attend such rallies.

DDP
September 21, 2014 2:48 pm

22 million climate refugees? are they in the same location as the missing heat?

jjs
September 21, 2014 2:50 pm

They be marching to stay warm pretty soon the way the artic and Antarctic are looking?
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi1_ice_ext.png

jjs
September 21, 2014 2:53 pm

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Speed
September 21, 2014 3:24 pm

For perspective, in 2013, more than 50,000 people finished the New York City Marathon. “Each year nearly two million spectators line the course.” (Wikipedia)
Entries are limited and hard to get.
http://running.about.com/od/marathonsandreviews/a/How-To-Get-Into-The-New-York-City-Marathon.htm

Goldie
September 21, 2014 4:04 pm

Yesterday a bunch of climate campaigners stood in the pouring rain to complain about climate change. We had 35 mm of rain and we are pretty close to the long term average for the year. The day before we had the hottest day in September ever, however I no longer trust such “records” given the the Bureau of Meteorology have been homogenising them. People actually took their small children out in the cold and the wet to listen to other people complain about how hot it’s getting.

Reply to  Goldie
September 21, 2014 4:58 pm

And where exactly was this – we don’t know where you live, for future reference…

sinewave
September 21, 2014 4:06 pm

This is a purely political exercise. Even the most positive spin doesn’t make it look like there are enough people involved to have much of an impact.

Bruce Ploetz
September 21, 2014 4:45 pm

Our local NBC affiliate loving covered the march but the headline was “Marching for Climate Change”. OOPS! I loved the sign that said fracking was killing the bumblebees. And the lighting that made the Rio De Janeiro “Christ the Redeemer” statue green. Guess it’s true, you can fool some people all the time.

Reply to  Bruce Ploetz
September 22, 2014 1:39 am

RACookPE1978
Competition to present the most outrageous falsehood is not a good way to win an argument or to convince others that you have a case worth hearing.
You make the ridiculous assertion that “175,000,000” have been killed by “by socialism under all of its ugly names”. Your silly assertion is as ridiculous as the “22 million climate refugees”.
We know as fact that in the last century the extreme right arrested socialists and murdered them in German death camps while communists in Russia were also murdering them. History is replete with examples of such atrocities, but I know of no case of such activities by socialists.
Richard

Cowcharge
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 22, 2014 6:44 am

You are aware that “NAZI” was short for the National Socialist Party, right? And that Communism and socialism are close cousins?

Jbird
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 7:59 am

Richard;
Fascism and Socialism are both forms of statism and collectivism. Both seek the enslavement and subordination of individual initiative and talent to the will of the state. Both are tyrannical and totalitarian. In practice, both require crony capitalism and corporatism to survive, and both ultimately foster control of the masses by a political, financial and industrial elite who make all the rules. In such regimes the individual has very few if any rights, and little control over their lives. History shows us that is where all people who call themselves “Socialists” are headed.

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 10:32 am

Jbird
NO! Your post consists solely of flagrant falsehoods.
Socialism is an extreme form of individualism. Your attempt to pretend socialism is communism is extremely offensive.
I and other socialists are the antithesis of your assertions. We leave that kind of behaviour to gun-toting Americans in schools.
Richard

Reply to  Bruce Ploetz
September 22, 2014 12:16 pm

Cowcharge
You are aware that the ultra-right lead by H1tler rounded up socialists and tried to kill them, right?
Communism and socialism are also very different and that is why Stal1n tried to exterminate socialists.
Please keep charge of your cows and leave discussion of political philosophies to those who know what they are.
Richard

rogerthesurf
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 22, 2014 10:58 pm

Richards,
Ahem, Hitler was a socialist himself. A National Socialist which meant that he controlled the state and everything else that affected the population. He was a totalitarian socialist – no government by the people for the people but government by Hitler for Hitler.
Communists were sent to death camps along with “political dissidents”, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jews, inmates of mental institutions and anyone else who was denounced by ones good NAZI neighbors.
Stalin was very like Hitler, He use communism to cement his power and also got rid of anyone he didn’t like or he felt threatened by. Collectivization was used to further cement his power.
so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.

Do either Hitler’s regime or Stalin’s fall outside this definition? (Merriam Webster)
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 12:50 am

rogerthesurf
H1tler was NOT a socialist: he was a fascist who rounded up socialists and exterminated them.
The ultra-right have always tried to smear their opponents by saying

Hitler was a socialist himself. A National Socialist which meant that he controlled the state and everything else that affected the population. He was a totalitarian socialist – no government by the people for the people but government by Hitler for Hitler.

Except for the final quoted sentence, that is how the Naz1s them selves misrepresented themselves. And as you demonstrate, that ultra-right propaganda has not changed nearly a century later.
I don’t care how you choose to misrepresent a definition in one dictionary.
Using the descriptive short hand of Marx
Socialism
is the principle of ‘To each according to need and from each according to ability.
Communism
is the principle of ‘To all according to need and from all according to ability.
Fascism
is the principle of ‘To all according to government dictate and from all according to government dictate.
Enough of your ultra-right propaganda. This thread is about “Paid volunteers for the NYC Climate March”: it is NOT intended as an opportunity for the ultra-right to pretend that H1tler was some kind of socialist and a ‘good guy’.
Richard

eric
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 4:03 am

The goal of Socialsm IS Communism. Vladimir Lennin

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 6:03 am

Eric
This thread has had a Fascist supporting Naz11sm, a Marxist spouting Marx, and now you spouting Lenin promoting Communism. And you all do it in attempt to pretend your objectionable opinions are socialism. THEY ARE NOT!
Richard

Cowcharge
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 12:05 pm

You can call the Nazis “ultra-right” all you want. It doesn’t change the truth about what they were: Intrusive big gov’t, nationalized industry, and loss of civil rights. Every citizen worked for the gov’t, just like you want here. Calling socialism an “extreme form of individualism” is laughable. And I’ll discuss whatever I choose, whenever I choose. You haven’t yet erased ALL free speech, commie.

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 2:06 pm

Cowcharge
I understand your behaviour to be typical of the American ultra-right.
Thankfully you only fool each other with your putrid distortions of reality.
Richard

Cowcharge
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 6:57 pm

LOL. You know nothing of my political views except what you have read here, in this thread. So your calling me ultra-right is pretty funny, like most things ultra-lefties say (at least, when they are powerless to implement their moonbat ideas).

rogerthesurf
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 23, 2014 11:23 pm

Richards,
Where did I say Hitler was a good guy?
Oh I get it, Socialists are good guys therefore as Hitler was bad he couldn’t have been a socialist.
Cheers
Roger

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 24, 2014 12:45 am

Cowcharge and rogerthesurf
Do you fasci1sts really think you convince anyone with your nonsense? You cannot because to this day your predecessors are so despised that we have Godwin’s Law.
Cowcharge, you call a socialist – i.e. me – a “commie” then write to me saying

LOL. You know nothing of my political views except what you have read here, in this thread. So your calling me ultra-right is pretty funny, like most things ultra-lefties say (at least, when they are powerless to implement their moonbat ideas).

What more evidence of your “political views” does anybody need your those words you have posted here? My family lost everything in a World War that began in 1939 to rid the world of your predecessors and their activities. We would fight again.
rogerthesurf, you ask and assert

Where did I say Hitler was a good guy?
Oh I get it, Socialists are good guys therefore as Hitler was bad he couldn’t have been a socialist.

No! Don’t pretend to be an idiot as a smokescreen for your malign political propaganda.
H1tler was NOT a socialist: he was a fasc1st.
By claiming H1tler was a socialist you try to bring your hero into the realms of political acceptability.
Cowcharge and rogerthesurf, please return to whatever primordial slime from which you guys have crawled. This thread is NOT about your contemptible politics.
Richard

Cowcharge
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 24, 2014 6:13 am

“My family lost everything in a World War that began in 1939 to rid the world of your predecessors and their activities. We would fight again.”
At least now you’re brave enough to admit your family sided with the Nazis and helped start WW2. Well both my parents fought in that war to rid the world of YOUR socialist predecessors (albeit in the Pacific). And yes, we would fight again as well. So go ahead and start another war, and we’ll kick your butts just like last time.

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 24, 2014 2:11 pm

Cowcharge
You have gone too far!
Clearly, there is nothing you fascists will not stoop to.
My family were blitzed by the Luftwaffe in the fight against your hero, H1tler, and you try to pretend they were supporting your fascist views.
You are not worth the effort of spitting at.
Richard

Cowcharge
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 25, 2014 9:54 am

You’re the one who said it was started “to rid the world of your predecessors and their activities.” It was started by the Nazis. And you’re still trying to “rid the world” of the people who built this country: The independent-minded and the industrious.

rogerthesurf
Reply to  richardscourtney
September 25, 2014 10:24 pm

“H1tler was NOT a socialist: he was a fasc1st.
By claiming H1tler was a socialist you try to bring your hero into the realms of political acceptability.”

It appears my previous assertion about your thinking is correct.
I am beginning to think that your attitude is proving to be “outside the realms of political acceptability”.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I respectfully suggest that you study these things closely after you graduate from high school.
Cheers
Roger

Patrick
September 21, 2014 4:46 pm

Socialism is the CURE to climate change? Are these people for real? In terms of killing large numbers of people maybe.

Reply to  Patrick
September 21, 2014 4:55 pm

Even Communism is better – you can kill more people that way…

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
September 21, 2014 6:01 pm

Some 125,000,000 killed by Communism, right? 175,000,000 by socialism under all of its ugly names. So far. They are not finished yet.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Patrick
September 21, 2014 10:10 pm

watermelons… all of them.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
September 23, 2014 10:38 am

RACookPE1978
You assert that “175,000,000” have been killed by socialism. I assume you are referring to exterminated malarial mosquitoes because socialism has killed no person.
Richard

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
September 24, 2014 1:08 am

RACookPE1978
You assert

175,000,000 innocents have been killed by socialism’s demand for abortion since 1980.

Really?
Where, when and how did socialism “demand for abortion”?
Where was this demand implemented and by whom?
How did you learn of this astonishing secret plot which has killed “175,000,000” unidentified “innocents” of whom nobody has heard?
Additionally, are you frightened of “socialists” under your bed at night?
You go on from that madness by writing this

I was actually totaling those killed by Stalin-Lenin-et al since 1917 across the Soviet Union of Socialist States, those murdered under Chinese Socialist communism (57 – 63 millions, plus as many more aborted under their policies since their formation in the 40’s), plus those killed under Cambodia’s socialist communism (3-4 millions) plus those killed under Germany’s national socialist agendas of external war and internal genocide (12 millions).

It may have escaped your notice that those were COMMUNIST regimes and that “Germany’s national socialist” party was FASC1ST. Not one of them was socialist.

Locally, the progressive-liberal-socialists in the US democrat party promote those 57,000,000 US citizens killed since 1973 as their proudest achievement and most holy rite.

Perhaps you could search for the bodies of the “57,000,000 US citizens” whom you say have been killed by a section of the US democrat party since 1973. That’s a big number so the bodies should be littering the streets.
Richard

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Patrick
September 23, 2014 2:51 pm

Well, you are right: 175,000,000 innocents have been killed by socialism’s demand for abortion since 1980.
I was actually totaling those killed by Stalin-Lenin-et al since 1917 across the Soviet Union of Socialist States, those murdered under Chinese Socialist communism (57 – 63 millions, plus as many more aborted under their policies since their formation in the 40’s), plus those killed under Cambodia’s socialist communism (3-4 millions) plus those killed under Germany’s national socialist agendas of external war and internal genocide (12 millions). Locally, the progressive-liberal-socialists in the US democrat party promote those 57,000,000 US citizens killed since 1973 as their proudest achievement and most holy rite.
I do understand that you (personally) as a libertarian in the actual sense of the term – do not believe that political socialism IS the party making the roots of communism, national socialism, tribal dictatorships in Africa, and religious theocracies through the Muslim world. ALL socialist societies oppose democracy and freedom as the threat they are to enslavement and government dictates.
Its just that the UK’s socialism and the US’s democratic party are not quite as far: They are only at the Bread and Circus” stage now, because the former workers and capitalists still working can withstand the socialist parasites within. For now. For a little while.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 24, 2014 1:12 am

Ooops!
I have replied to this ludicrous twaddle but it has not posted in the right place in this nested system. Assuming it comes out of moderation, my reply to RACookPE1978 is immediately above his nonsense.
Richard

Claude Harvey
September 21, 2014 4:56 pm

There are lots of fools out there for anyone who wishes to whip up a fools parade. FOX reports 310,000 marchers turned out and it looks to me like an awful lot of people participated. Do the math. I don’t know what the truth of the matter actually is, but I do know that an “inconvenient truth” does not justify a lie and a lie sullies the liar and his cause.

Reply to  Claude Harvey
September 21, 2014 5:03 pm

Too many people in this country (the good old USA) are useful idiots I guess.

Steve P
September 21, 2014 4:58 pm

Greens: Climate march shatters record

Organizers initially estimated that the march had drawn 310,000 people, then raised that estimate to nearly 400,000 — far exceeding their projections of 100,000 attendees and making the procession through midtown Manhattan by far the largest climate-related protest in history. New York police did not offer their own crowd count.
Participants waved flags, pounded on drums and carried signs that said “No More Climate Change”[…]
The march was organized by more than 1,500 groups and spearheaded by 350.org,

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/peoples-climate-march-nyc-111177.html#ixzz3DztlwORR

James the Elder
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 5:44 pm

That’s 267 people per group. 1500 climate related orgs? Hardly.

Darren Potter
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 6:09 pm

“Organizers initially estimated that the march had drawn 310,000 people, ”
In another words, about 3,100 people. Knowing it was “Organizers” who did the estimating and factoring in these are AGW Alarmists who are experts at Cherry Picking and Biasing.

Cowcharge
Reply to  Darren Potter
September 22, 2014 6:46 am

They just used the same multiple that they apply to the temperature data.

stewart pid
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 7:14 pm

Is the 400,000 figure the “adjusted” estimate 😉

Cowcharge
Reply to  Steve P
September 23, 2014 6:55 pm

Of course, let’s just accept the count of the organizers of the darn thing. They wouldn’t have any reason to inflate their numbers, nuh-uh. LOL

Darren Potter
September 21, 2014 6:04 pm

CFACT is reporting the event is Pro Socialist: “NY “People’s Climate March” is RED, not green”.
“Marc writes, “Socialism was praised and promoted to raucous applause by the hundreds in attendance at the People’s Climate March event on September 20”
Read more here – http://www.cfact.org/2014/09/21/ny-peoples-climate-march-is-red-not-green/#sthash.1MIG6rHQ.dpuf

September 21, 2014 6:09 pm

Robert B, I know that stadium when I see it, even in a thumbnail!
As an aside, although I am not a vegan, I am amused to note the claim that vegan diets are “dangerous” when not supervised. That is true for all diets, actually. Why are so many people sick?
It’s so easy to rationalise how safe the status quo is and how unsafe new ideas are. Cars are “dangerous” too. But I’d rather drive a car than make an animal do my dirty work. Horses ought to be free.
Vicgallus, the extrapolation from 80,000 to 300,000 is done by peer reviewed, established methods. You don’t understand the science. /sarc
Amos, DiCaprio probably genuinely thinks he’s doing some Good. I dare say he’s being taken for a sucker. It is not too difficult to convince somebody that their contribution to a given cause is paramount. Flattery works. It’s how the ‘honey trap’ works. Every time… 😉

Darren Potter
September 21, 2014 6:21 pm

Question for all those “People’s Climate March”ers:
Did you paid Marchers hold your breaths? Being Obama & EPA have declared CO2 is Hazardous Pollutant.
CO2, a Hazardous Pollutant — ya just can’t fix stupids…

September 21, 2014 6:50 pm

I was invited to the Montreal one because I own a Nissan Leaf electric car… They wanted to open the march with electric cars.
Here’s the message I received
http://www.aveq.ca/actualiteacutes/laveq-est-fiere-de-parrainer-la-marche-mondiale-pour-le-climat-montreal
I did not leased a Leaf because I believe this crap… only to save a 100$ / month!

Martin
September 21, 2014 8:16 pm

This article is a pathetic beat up. There were a few folks paid to hand out flyers. No paid marchers. Yawn

M Courtney
Reply to  Martin
September 22, 2014 1:55 am

Sadly, I agree with you.
It is possible for people to be wrong about something but earnest and idealistic.
A lot of commenters on this article refuse to accept that people who have a different view to their own may not be evil.

Steve P
September 21, 2014 8:23 pm

Best not underestimate 350.org and its cohorts, who have demonstrated today their ability to mobilize large numbers of disparate groups for “ecosocialist” action.
Ludicrous slogans like No More Climate Change illustrate how easy it is to manipulate well-meaning, but less-than-astute zealots, who are further motivated by the chance to wear the team colors of those saving Planet Earth. The mantle of self-righteousness is a ready fit.
Bear in mind that closely guarded fact about the United States that shocked President Dwight D. Eisenhower when divulged to him by one of his advisers back in the mid 50s:
Fully half the American population has a below-average IQ.

Steve P
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 8:35 pm

This is a handsome typeface, but the (tail on the) capital Q looks like it was done by an over-caffeinated intern while the real typographers were out to lunch.
-☺-

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Steve P
September 21, 2014 11:46 pm

The statement that fully half of the population has a below average IQ. would mean that no one actually had average IQ., when actually more people have average IQ. than any other particular IQ.

Steve P
Reply to  Steve Reddish
September 22, 2014 9:38 am

Yes, this is correct. But the story goes that the misstated stat really upset Ike. Some apparently would draw a vertical line through the peak of the bell shaped curve at its midpoint and declare that those to the left of the line are below average, while those to its right are above-average. More realistically, average includes a short range of scores, perhaps 10 to 30 points. If the range is 10, that would include just over 1/3 the population who score between 96 and 105, with about 30% below that, and c35% above.

Alx
Reply to  Steve P
September 22, 2014 7:42 am

“No More Climate Change ” LOL!
Lets be concise and make it, “No More Change!”
Yes, thats it, lets organize a march for “No More Change!”. I bet we can get get at least 10,000 people to attend.

Richard Patton
September 21, 2014 8:58 pm

I noticed the flag some of the ‘protestors’ were carrying: “climate change is the symptom, capitalism is the disease, socialism is the answer.” I would prefer they keep their answer to themselves. As of the late ’80’s (the latest that I have figures for) the sub-genre of Socialism known as communism was responsible for over one hundred million deaths.

Reply to  Richard Patton
September 22, 2014 1:46 am

Richard Patton
I do wish that people would stay real in this thread.
Communism is NOT a “sub-genre of Socialism” and the two political philosophies are diametrically opposed: indeed, communist countries have attempted to systematically exterminate socialists.
Richard

Reply to  richardscourtney
September 22, 2014 7:28 am

richardscourtney on September 22, 2014 at 1:46 am
@Richard Patton
– – – – – – – – – –
Richard,
To resolve the difference of the socialist opinions of yours versus those with critical different opinions, here is a suggestion.
I suggest we trace the history of ideas on both socialism and communism wrt to their root concept of collectivism. I suggest there will be a result where total socialism is ideologically synonymous with communism and further that socialism will necessarily creep from partial to total socialism by the nature of collectivism’s means to an end.
I think the search starts in the late dark ages and/or early medieval age.
John

Reply to  Richard Patton
September 22, 2014 12:20 pm

John Whitman
The earliest attempt at communism of which I am aware is recorded in the Biblical Book of Acts.
Socialism was invented by the Toll Puddle Martyrs centuries after the Middle Ages. Hence, your suggestion is impossible.
Richard

Reply to  Richard Patton
September 23, 2014 9:40 am

richardscourtney says:
September 22, 2014 at 12:20 pm
@John Whitman
The earliest attempt at communism of which I am aware is recorded in the Biblical Book of Acts.
Socialism was invented by the Toll Puddle Martyrs centuries after the Middle Ages. Hence, your suggestion is impossible.
Richard

– – – – – – – – – –
richardscourtney,
A goal to have clear formulation is achievable.
For a review of the history of ideas in our area of interest, then agreed to definitions is a good place to start. I suggest these:
government – a citizen or a body of citizens who have achieved, by whatever means, the physical power to enforce or encourage certain kinds of human action in some citizens and prevent other kinds of human action in some citizens.
collectivism – a moral system (ethics) based on the principle that the greatest values in a society are determined by benefits of groups of citizens; collectivism bridges from ethics to politics by placing individual resources and the individual lives themselves into a subservient role to groups in government action.
socialism – a form of government based in principle on implementation of collectivism where the level of implementation can range from significant to total.
communism – a form of government based on total implementation of collectivism to every conceivable aspect of human life.
I suggest the start of our study of the history of ideas on socialism and communism to be in the post deep Dark Age era in Europe. It is the causes of the development of ideas that lead to the renaissance (of classical knowledge) that contains the practical cause of our modern Western civilization. Therefore I suggest starting our study with the very last part of the Dark Age and the very earliest part of the Medieval Age. Other start points could be used.
So, based on the above I ask to consider whether any of these were any combination of collectivism, socialism or communism: (1) the very real total society power (government) of the Catholic Church in the late Dark Age; (2) Medieval Feudal government in early Medieval Age; (3) the Byzantine Orthodox government that reigned during the Western European late Dark Age to early Medieval Age; (4) vestiges of tribal government near the eastern borders of Eastern Europe or in North Africa or in the Near East.
We can possibly go from any occurrence of any combination of collectivism, socialism there to looking in the renaissance, then to looking in the enlightenment, then to looking in the reformation then on to looking in the last several hundred years.
John

Eve
September 21, 2014 9:18 pm

I continue to ask the marchers to turn off their electricity and stop driving. That is what they are marching for. Sad to learn that they don’t know they can do that.

September 21, 2014 9:21 pm

Wall Street Journal describes the organized ‘climate march in New York City’ as including ‘tens of thousands’ of marchers. A very long way from hundreds of thousands.
The organizers claim that worldwide several hundred thousand people marched in support.
Too [many] experts in and around New York City are able to accurately gauge crowd sizes for any marcher overstatement to long survive.
Perhaps the organizers do not expect anyone will try and ‘check’ the global claim for march participants?
Since when does anybody actually have to march before participating in a free food and drink block party.
I wonder if the block party served meat free hot dogs and burgers? If so, I expect the block party fizzled and lost participants fast.

Ian L. McQueen
September 21, 2014 9:22 pm

It is late at night and I am shutting down, so I have jumped over many postings and hope that I am not duplicating another posting.
I have listened to CBC radio news at 1900, 2200, 2300 and 0100 tonight and the first item each time has been a lengthy presentation of the climate march, particularly the one in NYC. During the 0100 news, and maybe some others, “climate change” was particularly slanted toward unusual weather. Also, the genuine pollution of Chinese air was dragged into the discussion as being related to “climate change”. The cure to all these problems was (let’s hear the chorus) “reduction of greenhouse gases”.
As Goethe said, “There is nothing so frightening as ignorance in action.”
Ian M

rogerthesurf
September 21, 2014 10:26 pm

Re the last picture in your post.
“End Capitalisim before it ends us”:
“Climate Change is the Symptom – Capitalisim is the disease – Socialism is the Answer”

I am horrified!
I never thought I would see the day when there is a socialist/communist march in AMERICA!
What planet are these people on and how has this foolishness got into the population?
Don’t they teach in American schools what happened in Russia with the collectivization of the Kulaks and the situation in China in the early 60’s when the food ran out.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

Non Nomen
Reply to  rogerthesurf
September 22, 2014 1:20 am

rogerthesurf
September 21, 2014 at 10:26 pm
Re the last picture in your post.
“End Capitalisim before it ends us”:
“Climate Change is the Symptom – Capitalisim is the disease – Socialism is the Answer”
__________________________
They didn’t say socialism is the correct answer.

cargosquid
Reply to  Non Nomen
September 25, 2014 4:57 pm

THAT is a great comment.

SAMURAI
September 21, 2014 10:56 pm

The New York Times, of course, went all gaga over the Climate March….
I tried twice to post some interesting empirical evidence in the comment section of NYT’s article, but the NYT gatekeepers deleted them…
I guess the NYT doesn’t want their readers confused by the evidence as facts are such stubborn things…

DirkH
September 21, 2014 11:43 pm

Well, the AVAAZ Climate marchers have admitted that they want socialism.
That’s a first step for them to come out of the closet.
We knew all along.
But great that they admit it.
Could they please name their Beloved Leader so that we can enter into negotiations?

DirkH
Reply to  DirkH
September 21, 2014 11:48 pm

Maybe the AVAAZ Socialist People can trade their Step By Step Guides To Becoming A Vegan for the solar panels we make so that they can have electricity.

DirkH
Reply to  DirkH
September 21, 2014 11:48 pm

During the daytime.

Village Idiot
September 22, 2014 12:01 am

The day after the marches, there seems to be a stunned silence hanging over the Village. A realization that, despite using the whole of yesterday on defamation and talking numbers down, it was quite a show. It’s now we really appreciate the security of our little isolated community. We all need a good warm dose of mutual affirmation.

DirkH
Reply to  Village Idiot
September 22, 2014 12:24 am

Hey, just ask Leo Di Caprio, he’ll give you one of his Carribean Islands so you can create your Global Warming Socialism as a demonstration for us blockheads to follow; we’ll wait for your first 5 year plan.

Village Idiot
Reply to  DirkH
September 22, 2014 2:08 am

Politics not my bag, Mann 😉

Dave Wendt
September 22, 2014 12:21 am

RFK Jr. doesn’t feel he needs to lead by example on carbon, because Koch Brothers!!!

Cowcharge
Reply to  Dave Wendt
September 22, 2014 6:53 am

Why does he sound like Katherine Hepburn on her deathbed?

Non Nomen
September 22, 2014 1:17 am

Follow the money…

Non Nomen
September 22, 2014 1:26 am

I suppose that abominable Mann must have been doing the maths. And they are as correct as his hokey pokey schtick. Give him an Ig-Nobel price.

September 22, 2014 4:17 am

Obama community organizing at work.

September 22, 2014 4:23 am

Reblogged this on Cornwall Wind Watch.

Man Bearpig
September 22, 2014 4:38 am

Don’t the attendance figures have to be adjusted up though (for scientific purposes you know) giving a total of 400 billion people attended the marches.

Alx
Reply to  Man Bearpig
September 22, 2014 7:43 am

Ultimately on the Daily KOS it will be revealed that twice the population of the entire Earth attended the march.

jackslucid
September 22, 2014 5:42 am

Hmmm? Arguing, some quite rudely, about the numbers seems a bit redundant … there is a general consensus that ‘something must be done’ … but then again, there always is. Decrying the desire for a better world just because you believe the prescription is wrong achieves nothing but alienating those that you would better off convincing. The AGW scam works precisely because rational exchange is lacking, not because the ‘other-side’ is more ignorant than you …eg, the remedial discussion[sic] on socialism, veganism etc does not endear [me] to the users of this – generally quite good – site. Even if only 50 000 people turned up that is obviously a positive because it sets a precedent for the next time (show me any mass movement in history that started off at full tilt?). Any undecided reading the comments here will have been dismayed by the – actually – nasty atmosphere (no pun intended) and arrogance of those who – actually – believe that their lifestyles are the normal[sic] ones.

Ralph Knapp
September 22, 2014 6:01 am

Close to a dozen people,( including 3 under age 5) attended the rally in my city.

more soylent green!
September 22, 2014 6:51 am

That doesn’t even sound close to minimum wage.

Coach Springer
September 22, 2014 7:20 am

It’s no Glenn Beck rally. I would have thought they could muster a few more Liberal Hipster Doofuses that wanted to dress up, see a celebrity, collect $50, or show off their anti-capitalist conviction. Did I leave someone out? Oh yeah, a few alarmists.

Alx
September 22, 2014 7:53 am

One person paying people to shill for his movie is hardly enough evidence to state that the march was made up of “paid volunteers.” Which I do not even know what that means, when I volunteered, I never got paid.
The producer or direrctor of the movie obvioulsly thought this was an opportunity to get paying people in theater seats with target marketing. Maybe disconcerting to socialists in the crowd, but it is capitalism at its best.
Regardless, this particular article seems like shrill propaganda, opposite but similar to the claims of organizers on the numbers actually marching. Ulitmately it doesn’t matter, except to the organizers who are making a living off of this type of activism.

Johnny Holmes
September 22, 2014 8:39 am

Damn who believes this idiotic article? Do you have any reading comprehension whatsoever? If you were trying to advertise a climate change television series, what do you think a good target audience would be? Hmmmm…any clues? Keep thinking…..ahhh, its just too hard for you isn’t it. Do you really think the producers of this show give a damn about a few extra people attending this rally? They are trying to get viewers.

Anon
Reply to  Johnny Holmes
September 27, 2014 9:06 am

I’m glad there’s at least one commenter who isn’t a complete fucking moron. 90% of the comments on this page are from stupid people bred on misinformation. Just the kind of misinformation this page is spreading.
The advert is calling for people to distribute promotional leaflets at a large protest. It does not seek to hire ‘stooge’ protestors in order to bolster numbers.

Proud Denier
September 22, 2014 11:16 am

I’m confused. HuffPo headline says there were “hundreds of thousands” in the headline, but in the link to the video below states “thousands”. Tweets below the article state 400,000.
Articles here say only a few hundred. How can there be so much confusion about the actual number?

September 22, 2014 12:33 pm

There is some slight of hand going on.
300,000 people was originally tied to total of the world wide events.
NYC was at least 40,000 and maybe 150,000. But even if you put 3 people per square meter (try it for very long), have a 15 meter wide street, you can only get 45 people per meter, or 45,000 people per km. The geometry of the streets and buildings constrains the upper limit.
So what you do is associate NYC with the world. Use the world’s 300,000, and presto…. 300,000 in NYC in the implication.

janus
September 24, 2014 4:52 pm

While Communists and useful idiots are marching and demanding solution to non-existing problems, India delivered a Mars orbiter for US$75M. “There is something rotten in Denmark”
When India’s Mars Orbiter Mission went into orbit around the Red Planet, the achievement made good on a boast as big as Bollywood.
“Our program stands out as the most cost-effective,” Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said during a June visit to mission control in Bangalore. “There is this story of our Mars mission costing less than the Hollywood movie ‘Gravity.’ … Our scientists have shown the world a new paradigm of engineering and the power of imagination.”
The $74 million Mars Orbiter Mission, also known by the acronym MOM or the Hindi word Mangalyaan (“Mars-Craft”), didn’t just cost less than the $100 million Hollywood blockbuster starring Sandra Bullock. The price tag is a mere one-ninth of the cost of NASA’s $671 million Maven mission, which also put its spacecraft into Mars orbit this week.

Ali h
September 26, 2014 9:43 am

This is clearly a diss info website.
1) ppl that aren’t trying to sway you won’t call the other side “idiots”.
2) these ppl aren’t claiming to be “gassed”. They are protesting climate control, based on reasonable and abundant evidence. (Another tactic to make the other side seem silly and stupid)
3) 50 bucks won’t get someone outa bed these days, let alone on the street looking incredibly enthused.
4) that’s a really nice craigslist ad, but the ppl photographed aren’t handing out flyers.
5) is it reasonable to think the news WOULDNT cover a story of hundreds of thousands of ppl being paid? Either way, it doesn’t add up.
6) this isn’t even worth an argument. The truth is findable with research. Dear, guy running this site? Have you done no research on the weather control crisis? Do you not pay attention to the sky above your very head?
Lastly, I would like to know who’s payroll you are on. If diss info is your objective, just know, you are on the losing team so if I were you, id demand a raise 🌏🙏💛✌️